On Apr 11, 3:00 am,

On Apr 11, 2:36 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

"Conservation of energy states that the total amount of energy in an
isolated system remains constant, although it may change forms (for
instance, friction turns kinetic energy into thermal energy). In
thermodynamics, the first law of thermodynamics is a statement of the
conservation of energy for thermodynamic systems."

This is the one you should really think about rick_sobie.

Yes I have and the definition of what energy is, may have been such
that they believed, that there was no substance to absolute space-
time, at all. Hence there is only energy, E=mc2 but it can translate
into kinetic energy and even motion through the foam as mass transfer
of the intrinsic mass of an atom at near absolute 0 to the quantum
foam.

So what you have if you consider motion through the foam, in an
expanding universe, with the foam itself expanding, is some of that
kinetic energy getting left behind in time, as it shrinks away.

So whats left when you burst a bubble except the skin of the bubble,
even if the energy locked within it, in the form of intrinsic mass is
now gone.

The problem with Dirac et al, is that they were so fixated on
electricity and just really weren't understanding the quantum foam as
having mass, they probably thought more that it had electric energy.

Getting back to Bose-Einstein condensate, then how is it, they were
able to make a mini nuclear explosion, and the amount of effort it
takes, to bleed off the dark energy, and precision with lasers that it
takes to supercool the atoms, until essentially, the skin of the
atoms, joins together into a condensate, is not the sort of thing you
can accomplish in your garage using Radio Shack equipment.
The chances of it happening in some fluke accident are the same as a
nuclear explosion happening at sea, caused by lightning.

On Apr 11, 2:38 am,

On Apr 11, 1:47 am,

On Apr 11, 12:28 am,

On Apr 10, 5:57 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

On Apr 9, 6:55 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

You do it!

I can't because I have a sore knee but otherwise I would.

If you believe Stan's machine works and violates the Second Law,
you owe it to yourself to prove yourself wrong. A knee is no
excuse rick_sobie! Get cracking!

Second Law....
"The entropy of an isolated system not in equilibrium will tend to
increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium."

Well if you consider the universe is expanding that one is a safe bet.

First Law...
"The increase in the internal energy of a thermodynamic system is
equal to the amount of heat energy added to the system minus the work
done by the system on the surroundings."

The wording on this is such that they didn't even know what heat was.
They probably thought it was magic fairy vapors or something. It is
vague and not very intuitive.

This is just an old Newtonian relic.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Prescott_Joule

At that time they didn't have a clue about such things as the quantum
foam, and barely knew what electricity was.

They didn't know the universe was expanding and knew nothing about
relativity or quantum theory.

"Conservation of energy states that the total amount of energy in an
isolated system remains constant, although it may change forms (for
instance, friction turns kinetic energy into thermal energy). In
thermodynamics, the first law of thermodynamics is a statement of the
conservation of energy for thermodynamic systems."

And this one too is outdated and should be conservation of substance,
such that the only real substance seems to be the skin on the quantum
foam, and it can take many forms.

But that really doesn't have anything to do with what is going on in
that video where he is merely using interference to break the covalent
bond of water molecules. If you think it can't happen, then well
obviously it can and does and the principle regarding this technique
is well known.

There are no laws of physics that can deny reality and say that a
thing does not exist if it in fact exists and can be demonstrated. So
looking for tax loopholes is just shenanigans and the work of
hooligans and the like.

I'm not saying that that process is contrary to the conservation of
energy principle, or any other invention we have seen in the last few
years but just because we don't know where the energy came from if it
came from zero point in some cases as some claim, or the quantum foam,
or black body radiation amplified with feedback who cares? You cannot
deny the thing works and just because you may not be able to
understand how certain laws apply to all processes so what?

Imagine how much energy is trapped in the quantum foam itself. One
square inch would boil all the oceans and all of those explanations we
hear about every day. And who can detect, what energy comes from there
and what mass dissipates into it with modern technology?

We are past the steam engine and horse powered buggies and old
fashioned devices where the law's of thermodynamics were applicable.
Today they are mere relics from the past.

The thing was clearly demonstrated to work. Even if his description or
the description of the experts was inadequate, that is no excuse not
to use it.

But regarding the vortices in a superfluid when spun, it would seem
logical to assume that between three quantum foam bubbles lets say,
there is a slight depression, and as the foam itself is expanding it
has some intrinsic mass and that small depression may be what the
superfluid is reacting with.

Now Newton had made the claim that space was absolute and in his terms
the foam would not be expanding it would be like a computer monitor,
with the small dots fixed and immovable whereas according to GR
absolute space-time curves and is not immovable.

And by observing the behavior of superfluids, it looks like the
quantum foam flows quite readily around but not all that quickly.
Probably because it is under some pressure being near the earth, in a
high pressure zone, (space-time being curved close to a massive body)
plus it is expanding itself and has some intrinsic mass as a result.

But you spin the superfluid, then move it horizontally, what are the
vortices relative wrt to now? More and different individual foam
bubbles or do you drag the foam with you when you move the container?

I haven't looked at much of this research but I find it interesting to
be sure.

"If it will do that to water, it will do that to your hand"

Well so will hydrochloric acid.

The idea here is that he has these ingenious tubes of a some sort of
exotic composite metal, some type of an alloy, probably local hardware
store brass tubing or something equally as exotic as that, and he
appears to be creating a static charge with a belt and electric motor,
(a high tech electrostatic generator) and then he has some sort of
equipment off the Roswell crash, that he bought at Radio Shack, to
apply some sort of modulated current to the rods, and the combination
of the frequencies, is causing the metal to vibrate, but not give off
heat, because it is not much vibration, but just enough to set up an
interference pattern in the water molecules, breaking the covalent
bond, which separates the Hydrogen atoms from the Oxygen atoms.

Pretty harmless stuff, and he gets it up to 15 lbs pressure or so, and
the water doesn't heat up, well that is because he is using frequency,
to affect the frequency of the atoms, in such a way as to merely get
them to vibrate just slightly differently, enough to break that bond,
which is, just dark energy flowing from the atom to the electron shell
radius, and forming high and low pressure areas which combine to make
molecules.
He is playing with the dark energy of atoms, under low pressure
conditions and making a combustible gas out of water.

Now since this is so simple to see at work, it is probably equally
simple to replicate, and the future is probably all about this type of
simple device.

If Kirk and Spock had to land their shuttle in the Arctic, Kirk would
say to Spock, "Spock, how are you coming with that Hydrogen
generator?", and Spock would say, "Well I had trouble getting the back
off my wrist watch, but I have extracted the battery now, and I should
have it operational in 5 minutes captain, and the captain would say
"good, because my feet are getting cold in this igloo"

If you take two canisters, lets say you are a German machinist with a
reasonable background in physics at the high school level, and you
make two canisters, and fill them both with water, and use the Meyer
method to break the covalent bond and then burn the hydrogen to heat
the second canister and using a steam turbine turn the belt for your
electro-static generator, and recharge the battery for your frequency
modulator, you have excess heat, and then you use that excess heat in
a two slit experiment and get the Nobel prize for a very interesting
and actual working Rube Goldberg machine.

Or, you forget about the Nobel prize and just make small generators,
that all they require is tap water, to generate Hydrogen gas, and you
burn that to heat your homes and igloos and power your cars.

So all the patents are sown up and being sat on? Well there must be
some countries like Taiwan or somewhere that don't believe in patents.

"But where is the energy actually coming from?"

The expansion of the universe, more specifically the acceleration of
mass as per GR on the atom level, which produces dark energy waves,
which form the covalent bond of atoms. So if you cause those atoms to
work against the expansion of mass, it will rebound with energy, and
that energy is feedback energy, and it breaks the covalent bond.
The covalent bond, has stored energy in it. (In a manner of speaking)
So when you break it, that energy is released.
So its not free lunch energy, unless you consider the big bang as the
ultimate free lunch.