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http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/31/moonmission.shtml
Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012
MosNews
Russia plans to conduct its first manned flight around the Moon in
2011-2012, the president of a leading spacecraft company said Thursday,
RIA Novosti news agency reports.
"The Energia Rocket and Space Corporation plans to explore the Moon
in three stages: a Soyuz spacecraft flight to the Moon, the
construction of a permanent base on the Moon (from 2010 to 2025), and
the industrial exploration of space around the Moon," Nikolai
Sevastyanov said at the 5th Airspace Congress in Moscow.
He went on to say that the main goals of the lunar exploration would be
to conduct astrophysical research of its surface, to transfer
environmentally unfriendly industries from the Earth to the Moon, and
to extract raw materials, including helium-3, to meet the increasing
energy demand on the Earth.
Helium-3 is a rare metal on Earth, but is abundant on the Moon, and is
used in nuclear power reactors and is a conductor as well. It is also
used in microchip and related technologies.
For the flight, Russia is planning to use a modernized version of the
Soyuz manned spacecraft, the workforce of the Russian space fleet,
Sevastyanov said, adding that the first spacecraft would be ready in
2010.
The United States is the only country to have put astronauts on the
Moon. Neil Armstrong was the first in1969 and five other missions
followed him until the lunar program was wrapped up in 1972.
"Energia has started the development of a modernized Soyuz
spacecraft," Sevastyanov said.
"New digital technologies will be used during the development and
operation of the new spacecraft. Besides, the new space vehicle will be
able to conduct flights not only to the International Space Station,
but also to the Moon."
Sevastyanov continued, saying the Russian Space Agency and the European
Space Agency had already expressed their support for the project and
the first modernized Soyuz would be launched in 2010.
The Energia president said the launches would be conducted both from
the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan and the Kourou launch site in
French Guiana.
He added that the first flight to Mars would be conducted after 2025.
The expedition will use the Russian-made Clipper shuttle with a
four-man crew and will last two-and-a-half years.
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01 Sep 2006 10:18:26 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/31/moonmission.shtml
Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012
MosNews
[ . . . ]
Helium-3 is a rare metal on Earth,
Helium-3, two protons and one neutron,
is a chemically inert gas, not a metal.
It's probably a translation error.
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| User: "Marco Licetti" |
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03 Sep 2006 10:05:48 PM |
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I was orn/raised in Russia, I tell you this: F*** THEM ALL!!! Hopefully
our Energia explodes right on launchpad, bastards want the Moon fo
rmilitary!
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| User: "tadchem" |
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02 Sep 2006 07:38:58 AM |
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wrote:
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/31/moonmission.shtml
Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012
Trust the press to screw up the facts before they even get into the
first complete sentence of the article. It will be *Russia's* first
*manned* lunar mission. Even ignoring the quibble about whether it is
technically 'flying,' the USSR had several unmanned lunar missions -
the Zond and Lunokhod programs.
He went on to say that the main goals of the lunar exploration would be
to conduct astrophysical research of its surface, to transfer
environmentally unfriendly industries from the Earth to the Moon, and
to extract raw materials, including helium-3, to meet the increasing
energy demand on the Earth.
When I did some helium research in the 80's and 90's, I looked into the
concept of mining the moon for helium-3. He-3 is far more abundant in
the solar wind (about 24% of helium n the solr wind is He-3) than it is
on earth (about 250 ppm of mineral helium is He-3), and to some extent
gets entrapped on the surface of solid particles such as lunar dust and
rock. It's potential value lies in the great amount of energy it
releases in fusion reactions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton-Proton_Cycle
The problem is that, while on earth helium is naturally concentrated by
physical and chemical processes (diffusion, bouyancy, and caprock)
those mechanisms do not operate on the moon. Lunar helium is literally
strewn across the landscape like the dew.
Collecting it would be like gathering soot from the landscape for the
carbon content.
It is a low efficiency process made all the more expensive and
difficult by the absence of air (have you ever tried to do physical
work in a Level B suit?), the lack of temperature control (most
machines don't like extremes of temperature, or extreme
temperaturechanges), and the difficulties of remote control operation
(the lunar horizon is far nearer, and RC from the earth has a 3 second
feedback loop).
Helium-3 is a rare metal
ROFLOL
That's *gotta* be a bad translation!
on Earth, but is abundant on the Moon,
'Abundance' does not equate to 'commercial availability:'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum#Aluminium_separation
and is
used in nuclear power reactors and is a conductor
Electrically helium is a very good *insulator*. Helium-4 is just as
good a *thermal* conductor as He-3, and is far more affordable.
as well. It is also
used in microchip and related technologies.
Helium, certainly, but helium-3 specifically?
For the flight, Russia is planning to use a modernized version of the
Soyuz manned spacecraft, the workforce of the Russian space fleet,
Sevastyanov said, adding that the first spacecraft would be ready in
2010.
The United States is the only country to have put astronauts on the
Moon. Neil Armstrong was the first in1969 and five other missions
followed him until the lunar program was wrapped up in 1972.
"Energia has started the development of a modernized Soyuz
spacecraft," Sevastyanov said.
Having opted out of space exploration for several decades, the
Soviets/Russians missed the opportunity to learn from the experience,
especially from those educational failures.
A very important lesson is that as the complexity of an autonomous
system increases, the probability for failure increases
*quadratically*. The more complex a system gets the greater the
opportunity for failure - as the number of components N increases, the
number of interactions *between* components increases on the order of
N^2.
While system failure is never a certainty, neither is success. As
systems get more complex, however, success becomes less likely.
The complexities involved in mining, refining, packaging, and shipping
a gas ON THE SURFACE OF AN AIRLESS MOON are so far beyond anything that
technology has attempted before that failure is virtually guaranteed.
I say this to the Russians: "Terriffic! Great Idea! Go for it, and take
extensive notes. Document everything. You may learn some great lessons
and someday have alot to teach us. Excuse me while I go invest my own
money in low-tech water purification."
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "Dave" |
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04 Sep 2006 03:58:43 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/31/moonmission.shtml
What is the point of going back to the moon? Is someone planning to
develop new materials which can only be produced in low gravity? I'm
thinking of larger diamonds, gems, or things which have an engineering
purpose.
For example I remember reading Arthur C. Clarke about a lift into orbit
on a single diamond fibre. If they could produce ultra strong thin
transparent fibres they may give furniture designers something good to
work with, so it looks like you're floating on your chair. Also
architects may like building tension structures.
Also where is nanotechnology going? Would it benefit from low gravity?
How about energy? Is there sense in solar panels in space? A guess
is that it would take more energy to put the system into orbit than
would be gained compared to solar on earth, and power transmission back
to ground would be dangerous.
Is there benefit to fundamental science? All this moon stuff sounds
like a lot of rework to me.
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| User: "Dave" |
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04 Sep 2006 04:23:25 PM |
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Dave wrote:
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/31/moonmission.shtml
What is the point of going back to the moon? Is someone planning to
develop new materials which can only be produced in low gravity? I'm
thinking of larger diamonds, gems, or things which have an engineering
purpose.
For example I remember reading Arthur C. Clarke about a lift into orbit
on a single diamond fibre. If they could produce ultra strong thin
transparent fibres they may give furniture designers something good to
work with, so it looks like you're floating on your chair. Also
architects may like building tension structures.
Also where is nanotechnology going? Would it benefit from low gravity?
How about energy? Is there sense in solar panels in space? A guess
is that it would take more energy to put the system into orbit than
would be gained compared to solar on earth, and power transmission back
to ground would be dangerous.
Is there benefit to fundamental science? All this moon stuff sounds
like a lot of rework to me.
Sorry should have read the original post. Helium 3 may be useful, but
it is a long way to transport material.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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04 Sep 2006 05:00:34 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Dave" <dwickford@yahoo.com>
posting the following on 4 Sep 2006 13:58:43 -0700 iin alt.conspiracy?
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/31/moonmission.shtml
What is the point of going back to the moon? Is someone planning to
develop new materials which can only be produced in low gravity? I'm
thinking of larger diamonds, gems, or things which have an engineering
purpose.
That can be done in orbit, or at the Lagrange points. Problem is, we
need to improve our ability to live and work in space. Going to the
Moon is a goal for engineers to design for.
For example I remember reading Arthur C. Clarke about a lift into orbit
on a single diamond fibre. If they could produce ultra strong thin
transparent fibres they may give furniture designers something good to
work with, so it looks like you're floating on your chair. Also
architects may like building tension structures.
Carbon nanotubes are the material of choice for the space elevator,
and these guys plan to build one by 2020.
http://www.liftport.com/
Also where is nanotechnology going? Would it benefit from low gravity?
Nano is improving every year.
How about energy? Is there sense in solar panels in space? A guess
is that it would take more energy to put the system into orbit than
would be gained compared to solar on earth, and power transmission back
to ground would be dangerous.
Short term cost over long term benefit. Right now, the cost of
starting a good solar power sattelite system is high. If we get the
elevator working, the cost to orbit drops immensely.
As for the danger, the power would come down in the form of a
microwave beam sent to a receiver in a remote area. It would take
something phsically moving the solar power sat to cause the beam to
shift off focus, and you can easily build a cut off switch into the
sattelite's computer for anything like that. We'll cook and
occasional goose, but that's alright.
Is there benefit to fundamental science? All this moon stuff sounds
like a lot of rework to me.
We're doing it with forty years of advances in computers, material
science, medicine, etc. This time we'll be able to take more people,
stay longer, and learn more both about the Moon and how to live and
work in space.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "" |
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05 Sep 2006 02:30:56 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "Dave" <dwickford@yahoo.com>
posting the following on 4 Sep 2006 13:58:43 -0700 iin alt.conspiracy?
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Thanks for giving my points consideration, especially since I read this
from alt.conspiracy. My point was that people may only support the
program is there are tangible benefits at home, like from the original
moon mission, non-stick frying pans (OK, they may be carcinogenic), and
perhaps fabrics.
Meanwhile my autumn project should be to look for fractal dimensions in
share prices ...
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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02 Sep 2006 12:51:18 AM |
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Given the fact no one has ever flown to the Moon, it will
indeed, be the very first one.
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/31/moonmission.shtml
Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012
MosNews
Russia plans to conduct its first manned flight around the Moon in
2011-2012, the president of a leading spacecraft company said Thursday,
RIA Novosti news agency reports.
"The Energia Rocket and Space Corporation plans to explore the Moon
in three stages: a Soyuz spacecraft flight to the Moon, the
construction of a permanent base on the Moon (from 2010 to 2025), and
the industrial exploration of space around the Moon," Nikolai
Sevastyanov said at the 5th Airspace Congress in Moscow.
He went on to say that the main goals of the lunar exploration would be
to conduct astrophysical research of its surface, to transfer
environmentally unfriendly industries from the Earth to the Moon, and
to extract raw materials, including helium-3, to meet the increasing
energy demand on the Earth.
Helium-3 is a rare metal on Earth, but is abundant on the Moon, and is
used in nuclear power reactors and is a conductor as well. It is also
used in microchip and related technologies.
For the flight, Russia is planning to use a modernized version of the
Soyuz manned spacecraft, the workforce of the Russian space fleet,
Sevastyanov said, adding that the first spacecraft would be ready in
2010.
The United States is the only country to have put astronauts on the
Moon. Neil Armstrong was the first in1969 and five other missions
followed him until the lunar program was wrapped up in 1972.
"Energia has started the development of a modernized Soyuz
spacecraft," Sevastyanov said.
"New digital technologies will be used during the development and
operation of the new spacecraft. Besides, the new space vehicle will be
able to conduct flights not only to the International Space Station,
but also to the Moon."
Sevastyanov continued, saying the Russian Space Agency and the European
Space Agency had already expressed their support for the project and
the first modernized Soyuz would be launched in 2010.
The Energia president said the launches would be conducted both from
the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan and the Kourou launch site in
French Guiana.
He added that the first flight to Mars would be conducted after 2025.
The expedition will use the Russian-made Clipper shuttle with a
four-man crew and will last two-and-a-half years.
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| User: "George" |
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02 Sep 2006 02:03:40 AM |
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"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1157176278.300298.225890@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Given the fact no one has ever flown to the Moon, it will
indeed, be the very first one.
Gee, I wonder what drug you are taking that makes you so delusional. On
second thought, I don't want to know.
George
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02 Sep 2006 02:32:15 AM |
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Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Given the fact no one has ever flown to the Moon, it will
indeed, be the very first one.
The evidence does indeed suggest that the official Apollo record does
not represent a legitamit moon landing.
Given this recent announcement by the Russian Space Agency to land by
2012, it looks like they have been covertly working on their moon
landing programme for at least the last 20 years.
Maybe this is why they did not call out NASA on its hoax - better to
let them have a propaganda victory now but remain asleep at the wheel
allowing ample time for them to iron out a real solution to the myriad
of non-trivial technical obstacles involved in this feat. These guys
don't just plan to land there, they plan to start a moonbase!
I wonder why the fastest NASA can muster up there is by 2020 - perhaps
they stored Saturn V plans in those 700 boxes that contained the
original 'moon landing' video - the boxes that got mysteriously lost.
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| User: "dre v" |
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02 Sep 2006 02:48:29 AM |
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schreef:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Given the fact no one has ever flown to the Moon, it will
indeed, be the very first one.
The evidence does indeed suggest that the official Apollo record does
not represent a legitamit moon landing.
Given this recent announcement by the Russian Space Agency to land by
2012, it looks like they have been covertly working on their moon
landing programme for at least the last 20 years.
Maybe this is why they did not call out NASA on its hoax -
how to fit the stupid conspiricy into your beliefs...
better to
let them have a propaganda victory now but remain asleep at the wheel
NOOOO money was the reason ,moron...
tell me,WHY stopped nasa going to the moon if it's
all so simple and easy to hoax it all?
why not go 6 times a year to the moon or mars if
it's all done in a studio?
what a great pr and "look at us feeling" they
could create...
bet you have stupid explanation for it..
allowing ample time for them to iron out a real solution to the myriad
of non-trivial technical obstacles involved in this feat. These guys
don't just plan to land there, they plan to start a moonbase!
I wonder why the fastest NASA can muster up there is by 2020 - perhaps
they stored Saturn V plans in those 700 boxes that contained the
original 'moon landing' video - the boxes that got mysteriously lost.
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| User: "George" |
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02 Sep 2006 05:35:46 AM |
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"dre" <v> wrote in message
news:44f9372c$0$95183$dbd45001@news.wanadoo.nl...
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com schreef:
tell me,WHY stopped nasa going to the moon if it's all so simple and easy
to hoax it all?
why not go 6 times a year to the moon or mars if it's all done in a
studio?
what a great pr and "look at us feeling" they could create...
bet you have stupid explanation for it..
If you ignore the lunes, they will go away.
George
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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02 Sep 2006 08:50:17 AM |
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Oh, they haven't gone back 6 x' per year so that means they did
get there twice when the world was young.
"One small step for Man(kind) {sic}, one giant leap for Manknd"
George wrote:
"dre" <v> wrote in message
news:44f9372c$0$95183$dbd45001@news.wanadoo.nl...
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com schreef:
tell me,WHY stopped nasa going to the moon if it's all so simple and easy
to hoax it all?
why not go 6 times a year to the moon or mars if it's all done in a
studio?
what a great pr and "look at us feeling" they could create...
bet you have stupid explanation for it..
If you ignore the lunes, they will go away.
George
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03 Sep 2006 09:59:53 PM |
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Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Oh, they haven't gone back 6 x' per year so that means they did
get there twice when the world was young.
"One small step for Man(kind) {sic}, one giant leap for Manknd"
Actually, Armstrong claimed he ment to say; "One small step for <a>
man, one giant leap for mankind."
Either he got excited and dropped the "a" or it got snipped out in the
transmission.
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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04 Sep 2006 03:38:49 PM |
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Well, finally after 37 years someone has acknowledged what Neal The
Wheel said.
Unless you can read minds, you don't --know --what Armstrong meant; it
stands as an all-time stupid moment. Of course he said it in a studio
but no one picked up on it then.
edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Oh, they haven't gone back 6 x' per year so that means they did
get there twice when the world was young.
"One small step for Man(kind) {sic}, one giant leap for Manknd"
Actually, Armstrong claimed he ment to say; "One small step for <a>
man, one giant leap for mankind."
Either he got excited and dropped the "a" or it got snipped out in the
transmission.
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05 Sep 2006 04:49:04 AM |
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Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Well, finally after 37 years someone has acknowledged what Neal The
Wheel said.
Unless you can read minds, you don't --know --what Armstrong meant; it
stands as an all-time stupid moment. Of course he said it in a studio
but no one picked up on it then.
I never said I could "read minds." They'd asked Armstrong what his
statement ment and he explained he ment to say "One small step for <a>
man," and somehow it got clipped.
And no one has managed to show me how they could pump a large enough
studio free of air so the flag wouldn't move and the dust wouldn't
hang. (And if they <had> been able to, that would have given the lie to
Daniel Min's insistance that the astronauts were bouncing around in
"deflated" suits!)
edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Oh, they haven't gone back 6 x' per year so that means they did
get there twice when the world was young.
"One small step for Man(kind) {sic}, one giant leap for Manknd"
Actually, Armstrong claimed he ment to say; "One small step for <a>
man, one giant leap for mankind."
Either he got excited and dropped the "a" or it got snipped out in the
transmission.
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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05 Sep 2006 09:29:46 AM |
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It's another JFK, another Big Bang vs Goddi/Gotti,-----------no one
KNOW. No one will EVER know.
edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Well, finally after 37 years someone has acknowledged what Neal The
Wheel said.
Unless you can read minds, you don't --know --what Armstrong meant; it
stands as an all-time stupid moment. Of course he said it in a studio
but no one picked up on it then.
I never said I could "read minds." They'd asked Armstrong what his
statement ment and he explained he ment to say "One small step for <a>
man," and somehow it got clipped.
And no one has managed to show me how they could pump a large enough
studio free of air so the flag wouldn't move and the dust wouldn't
hang. (And if they <had> been able to, that would have given the lie to
Daniel Min's insistance that the astronauts were bouncing around in
"deflated" suits!)
edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Oh, they haven't gone back 6 x' per year so that means they did
get there twice when the world was young.
"One small step for Man(kind) {sic}, one giant leap for Manknd"
Actually, Armstrong claimed he ment to say; "One small step for <a>
man, one giant leap for mankind."
Either he got excited and dropped the "a" or it got snipped out in the
transmission.
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| User: "AlanS" |
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03 Sep 2006 04:30:10 AM |
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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:48:29 +0200, dre <v> wrote:
tell me,WHY stopped nasa going to the moon if it's
all so simple and easy to hoax it all?
why not go 6 times a year to the moon or mars if
it's all done in a studio?
what a great pr and "look at us feeling" they
could create...
bet you have stupid explanation for it..
Actually that's a much stupider question than the stupidest hoax
conspiracy.
If we accept moon landing to be a hoax for the sake of discussion, the
answer becomes trivial: It's so much more difficult, if not
impossible, for an illusionist to keep on doing the same illusion
without others smartening up to it. It would indeed be monumentally
stupid for NASA to compound the risk enormously in such a way, if you
accept the premise.
It's ironic that the conspiracy theories are there precisely because
NASA stopped the stupidity (manned lunar "exploration", that is).
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| User: "dre v" |
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03 Sep 2006 05:59:11 AM |
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AlanS schreef:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:48:29 +0200, dre <v> wrote:
tell me,WHY stopped nasa going to the moon if it's
all so simple and easy to hoax it all?
why not go 6 times a year to the moon or mars if
it's all done in a studio?
what a great pr and "look at us feeling" they
could create...
bet you have stupid explanation for it..
Actually that's a much stupider question than the stupidest hoax
conspiracy.
If we accept moon landing to be a hoax for the sake of discussion, the
answer becomes trivial: It's so much more difficult, if not
impossible, for an illusionist to keep on doing the same illusion
without others smartening up to it.
haha,and yes the same stupid answer...
if they could fool 100.000 workers at nasa and
contractors they can do it always,period...
including the russians ,radio
amateurs,astronomers,and anyone with interest...
but surprise surprise they did not have to fool
anyone,all those millions could see for them
selves it was real.
It would indeed be monumentally
stupid for NASA to compound the risk enormously in such a way, if you
accept the premise.
It's ironic that the conspiracy theories are there precisely because
NASA stopped the stupidity (manned lunar "exploration", that is).
so if they had continued the morons would have
believed it?
yeah right...
i bet with the coming landings the morons will
question it also,claiming it CAN"T be done.
bringing uo the same old "evidence" they are using
now.
plus a few more to fix the giant holes in the
consp. theory...
mindcontrol,drugs in the drinking
water,chemtrails...alien technology...
whatever is usefull.
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
03 Sep 2006 08:59:33 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:59:11 +0200, dre <v> wrote:
haha,and yes the same stupid answer...
if they could fool 100.000 workers at nasa and
contractors they can do it always,period...
Ah yes, great argument: Since 9/11 happened once, terrorists can fly
planes into any tall building anytime they wish.
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| User: "dre v" |
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
04 Sep 2006 01:59:11 AM |
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AlanS schreef:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:59:11 +0200, dre <v> wrote:
haha,and yes the same stupid answer...
if they could fool 100.000 workers at nasa and
contractors they can do it always,period...
Ah yes, great argument: Since 9/11 happened once, terrorists can fly
planes into any tall building anytime they wish.
huh???
so now terrorists did it??
no conspiricy?
strange...
why can't the cia fly a plane AGAIN into a building?
it happened 3 times allready by remote controll
the nuts are claiming in this group...
even missiles were used they
say,thermite,mindcontrol, and whatever is needed
to make a stupid point...
bending the facts into fantasy...
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| User: "Vandar" |
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
02 Sep 2006 07:41:42 PM |
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wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Given the fact no one has ever flown to the Moon, it will
indeed, be the very first one.
The evidence does indeed suggest that the official Apollo record does
not represent a legitamit moon landing.
Ever heard of a laser ranging retroreflector?
I didn't think so.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
10 Sep 2006 09:29:52 PM |
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Vandar wrote:
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Given the fact no one has ever flown to the Moon, it will
indeed, be the very first one.
The evidence does indeed suggest that the official Apollo record does
not represent a legitamit moon landing.
Ever heard of a laser ranging retroreflector?
I didn't think so.
The Russians have their own retroflectors on the moon too. They did not
require a manned moon mission to deploy them.
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| User: "Vandar" |
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
17 Sep 2006 10:59:10 AM |
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wrote:
Vandar wrote:
wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Given the fact no one has ever flown to the Moon, it will
indeed, be the very first one.
The evidence does indeed suggest that the official Apollo record does
not represent a legitamit moon landing.
Ever heard of a laser ranging retroreflector?
I didn't think so.
The Russians have their own retroflectors on the moon too. They did not
require a manned moon mission to deploy them.
You said "the official Apollo record does not represent a legitamit moon
landing"
The existence of the retroreflectors proves that statement wrong, as a
craft HAD to land there in order to deploy them.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
17 Sep 2006 10:13:09 PM |
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Vandar wrote:
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
Vandar wrote:
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Given the fact no one has ever flown to the Moon, it will
indeed, be the very first one.
The evidence does indeed suggest that the official Apollo record does
not represent a legitamit moon landing.
Ever heard of a laser ranging retroreflector?
I didn't think so.
The Russians have their own retroflectors on the moon too. They did not
require a manned moon mission to deploy them.
You said "the official Apollo record does not represent a legitamit moon
landing"
The existence of the retroreflectors proves that statement wrong, as a
craft HAD to land there in order to deploy them.
The Soviets deployed retroflectors without a _manned_ moon mission.
Therefore, the notion that US retroflectors required a _manned_ moon
mission is evidently false.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
02 Sep 2006 09:17:38 PM |
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wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Given the fact no one has ever flown to the Moon, it will
indeed, be the very first one.
The evidence does indeed suggest that the official Apollo record does
not represent a legitamit moon landing.
Since you are rather choosy about what you accept as evidence, this
does not come as a surprise. Ever hear of corner cube retroreflectors?
Given this recent announcement by the Russian Space Agency to land by
2012, it looks like they have been covertly working on their moon
landing programme for at least the last 20 years.
You are a crank in all things, Schoenfelch. From physics, 9/11, to the
moon landing. Does there exist a subject that you can explain in detail
without being wrong?
I would love to hear your explanation for why the Soviets were
complicit in the "hoax" which made them look stupid. I love asking the
moon cranks to explain the Soviets, the amount of back-pedaling and
general insanity is always amusing.
[snip conspiracy trash]
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| User: "AlanS" |
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
03 Sep 2006 04:39:51 AM |
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On 2 Sep 2006 19:17:38 -0700, "Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote:
Since you are rather choosy about what you accept as evidence, this
does not come as a surprise. Ever hear of corner cube retroreflectors?
Ever heard of Russians?
Silly attemps at rebuttals just give more ammo to the nuts.
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| User: "stu" |
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
03 Sep 2006 05:59:11 AM |
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AlanS wrote:
On 2 Sep 2006 19:17:38 -0700, "Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote:
Since you are rather choosy about what you accept as evidence, this
does not come as a surprise. Ever hear of corner cube retroreflectors?
Ever heard of Russians?
Silly attemps at rebuttals just give more ammo to the nuts.
is it about dropin garbage on moon or
puttin dicks on moon in direct tv with
big woerds
yo mothofakars around here ar not
even brain dead
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
03 Sep 2006 04:41:53 PM |
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AlanS wrote:
On 2 Sep 2006 19:17:38 -0700, "Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote:
Since you are rather choosy about what you accept as evidence, this
does not come as a surprise. Ever hear of corner cube retroreflectors?
Ever heard of Russians?
All Russians were Soviets but not all Soviets were Russians. It is a
subtle point.
Silly attemps at rebuttals just give more ammo to the nuts.
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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| Title: Re: Russia to Conduct First Flight to Moon in 2011-2012 |
02 Sep 2006 08:55:39 AM |
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Scofield Barracks man has the ability to think objectively.
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
Given the fact no one has ever flown to the Moon, it will
indeed, be the very first one.
The evidence does indeed suggest that the official Apollo record does
not represent a legitamit moon landing.
Given this recent announcement by the Russian Space Agency to land by
2012, it looks like they have been covertly working on their moon
landing programme for at least the last 20 years.
Maybe this is why they did not call out NASA on its hoax - better to
let them have a propaganda victory now but remain asleep at the wheel
allowing ample time for them to iron out a real solution to the myriad
of non-trivial technical obstacles involved in this feat. These guys
don't just plan to land there, they plan to start a moonbase!
I wonder why the fastest NASA can muster up there is by 2020 - perhaps
they stored Saturn V plans in those 700 boxes that contained the
original 'moon landing' video - the boxes that got mysteriously lost.
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