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RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION
MosNews
http://www.mosnews.com/feature/2005/04/19/deepimpact.shtml
Published: Apr 24, 2005
Anna Arutunyan
Remember Deep Impact — that global disaster movie from the 1990’s when
the world’s finest astronauts embarked on a suicide mission to save
mankind from a comet heading straight for Earth? Now, imagine if the
producers introduced a new twist to the plot: besides the comet, NASA
is pitted against a Russian astrologist who sues the space agency
because destroying a comet would irrevocably harm her “system of
spiritual values”.
Well, we’re not in the direct trajectory of a comet (not yet anyway),
but a Deep Impact mission is underway, with a NASA spacecraft
scheduled to collide with the Tempel-1 comet on July 4, perhaps
blasting it to smithereens. That’s right, it’s Independence Day.
Now, the last thing NASA expected was a lawsuit from Russia.
But Russian astrologist Marina Bai gave it a try, and, according to
her lawyer Alexander Molokhov, it looks like she may just pull it off.
In a lawsuit she filed last month with the Presnensky district court
in Moscow, Bai is demanding that NASA call off its $311 million
operation, with the spacecraft already in its cruise phase. She also
wants 8.7 billion rubles (the ruble equivalent of the entire cost of
the mission) in compensation for moral damages.
“The actions of NASA infringe upon my system of spiritual and life
values, in particular on the values of every element of creation, upon
the unacceptability of barbarically interfering with the natural life
of the universe, and the violation of the natural balance of the
Universe,” Bai said in her claim.
NASA successfully launched its Deep Impact spacecraft — comprised of a
“fly-by” spacecraft and a smaller “impactor” carrying some 350
kilograms of copper — on Jan. 12 with the aim of studying the nature
of comets. The spacecraft’s “impactor” is expected to form a large
crater enabling scientists to look inside the comet. The scientific
objectives of the mission, according to NASA, seem innocent enough:
just measure the crater and examine the composition of its interior.
But then again, there’s always a larger agenda lurking in the
background — what would we do in the unlikely even of an emergency?
Bai is not the only astrologist worried about messing with the
Universe.
“Imagine leaving Moscow, then returning to find everything’s changed,”
says Vladimir Portnov, a physicist and a professional astrologist. “Of
course, everyday people will feel the implications of destroying a
comet.”
According to Portnov, even something as “minor” as comets play a role
in creating humanity’s psychic environment. By wantonly destroying a
comet, NASA will inevitably disrupt that environment — with the most
likely result being mass anxiety.
But can anyone stop NASA on these grounds? Bai’s initial lawsuit was
dismissed by the Presnensky court, but the Moscow City Court took up
the appeal and will rule following a hearing scheduled for May 6. And
lawyer Alexander Molokhov is convinced the case will move further.
“I have no doubt that the Moscow City Court will cancel the [previous
dismissal],” Molokhov told MosNews.
According to Russian law, a Russian citizen can file a claim with a
Russian court against a foreign organization that has representation
in Russia. And NASA, with an office in Moscow, is certainly eligible
as a plaintiff. “If a Houston court can examine a case involving a
Russian company [Yukos — MosNews], why can’t a Russian file a claim
against an American agency with a Russian court?”
But is there any chance in calling off the mission and getting a hefty
$311 million? Molokhov hopes the case will resonate widely in the
media. “There is a law against actions that can lead to damage or
death,” and in Russia, the case is being filed on those grounds. Also,
Molokhov plans to take the claim to the United States. In fact, he
says, there are a number of scientists there who would be glad to sue
NASA.
Indeed, the consequences of destroying a comet may include anything
from an asteroid shower to disruption to radio waves.
“I am not a scientist,” Molokhov says, “but experts say the impact
could disrupt the comet’s plasma trail, which could have an effect on
satellite communications.”
So, what does NASA think of the challenge? So far, Molokhov says that
the NASA Moscow Liaison Office has made no statements whatsoever
regarding Bai’s claim.
Meanwhile, Dolores Beasley, at the Deep Impact mission headquarters in
Washington, was very surprised to hear of the case. In a phone call,
she said she was not aware of any claims against NASA originating in
the States, and that generally the mission was “very popular”.
The Russian Space Agency, meanwhile, has also kept quiet about the
mission. A man who answered at the press office said he was “not
competent to answer any questions” regarding his agency’s position
over the NASA mission. Molokhov said that isn’t surprising — the
agency gets some financing from NASA and is not keen on criticism.
Expert opinion ranges from comments saying the mission is an innocent
endeavor, to outright lambasting. “I think such vandalism cannot be
justified even in the case of the asteroid-comet danger that people
talk so much about,” Nikolai Bochkarev of the Russian Academy for
Natural Science told the Itogi magazine.
So, what would an astrologist say about destroying a comet to save
humanity?
“I think it’s acceptable to try,” Vladimir Portnov says. Then he
smiles: “But I think it’s impossible.”
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User: "ring_theory"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 03:09:08 AM

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.
9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.
Shame on you nasa!
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User: "Widdershins"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 08:17:01 AM

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?
Widdershins
Proud member of the Skeptikult
Member #159-904378-909
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User: "ring_theory"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 11:51:41 AM

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to reproducing the
orbital mechanism empirically known to date.
The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In the
same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and is the
vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's Uncertainty
Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal conditions for
conservation of energy to be applied in a mechanism.
In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands on the
orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make a microscopic
pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely on macroscopic
observations.
I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.
Ring
.

User: "Widdershins"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 06:10:04 PM

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:51:41 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

[..].

problem is that by increasing the velocity of the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.

Evasion noted.
Snip *****.
Widdershins
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
-- Gene Spafford, 1992
.

User: "ring_theory"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 08:56:45 PM

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:bm9o61lh2i31ftm6ulnbhtod2u9pbeqboa@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:51:41 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

[..].

problem is that by increasing the velocity of the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact

the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line

soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.

Evasion noted.
Snip *****.

is this all you got??

Widdershins

"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."

-- Gene Spafford, 1992

if this is true you must be the lead excrement provider
ring
.

User: "Widdershins"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 10:24:41 PM

Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:56:45 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:bm9o61lh2i31ftm6ulnbhtod2u9pbeqboa@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:51:41 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

[..].

problem is that by increasing the velocity of the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact

the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line

soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.

Evasion noted.

Snip *****.

is this all you got??

It's all you deserve.
Widdershins
Do you make an effort to be an idiot, or is it a gift?
.

User: "Ray Murphy"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACTMISSION	24 Apr 2005 06:51:40 PM

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In article <x8Qae.16194$r53.5629@attbi_s21>, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to reproducing the
orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In the
same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and is the
vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's Uncertainty
Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal conditions for
conservation of energy to be applied in a mechanism.

In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands on the
orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make a microscopic
pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely on macroscopic
observations.

I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.

Ring

RM: I saw this post on Alt.Astrology and found it interesting, even
though I only understand about 10% of what you said.
Surely there would be other "mechanics" around who are doing similar
testng.
Ray
--
ALT.ASTROLOGY.MODERATED
http://readystump.algebra.com/~aam/
The best place on the net to discuss
astrology in the English language.
.

User: "Diet Soda Can Wino"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 01:24:35 PM

"Ray Murphy" <raymur@chariot.net.au> wrote in
news:426c3019_1@news.chariot.net.au:

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In article <x8Qae.16194$r53.5629@attbi_s21>, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing
about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is
going to

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect
that nasa

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the
planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity
of the comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot
it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most
likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by
impact or the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years
down the line as soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to
reproducing the orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In
the
same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and
is the vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's
Uncertainty Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating
ideal conditions for conservation of energy to be applied in a
mechanism.

In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands on
the orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make a
microscopic pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely on
macroscopic observations.

I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.

Ring

RM: I saw this post on Alt.Astrology and found it interesting, even
though I only understand about 10% of what you said.
Surely there would be other "mechanics" around who are doing similar
testng.

I seriously doubt if it was 10%.
.

User: "ring_theory"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 09:10:09 PM

"Ray Murphy" <raymur@chariot.net.au> wrote in message
news:426c3019_1@news.chariot.net.au...

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In article <x8Qae.16194$r53.5629@attbi_s21>, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that

nasa

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of

the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact

the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line

soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to reproducing

the

orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In

the

same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and is

the

vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's Uncertainty
Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal conditions

for

conservation of energy to be applied in a mechanism.

In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands on the
orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make a microscopic
pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely on macroscopic
observations.

I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.

Ring

RM: I saw this post on Alt.Astrology and found it interesting, even
though I only understand about 10% of what you said.
Surely there would be other "mechanics" around who are doing similar
testng.

Ray
--
ALT.ASTROLOGY.MODERATED
http://readystump.algebra.com/~aam/
The best place on the net to discuss
astrology in the English language.

No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.
everyone else seems to think it's a hoax. really all it takes is a little
commonsense to figure it out.
ring
.

User: "Ray Murphy"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACTMISSION	25 Apr 2005 12:38:35 AM

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In article <5kYae.17543$r53.1583@attbi_s21>, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Ray Murphy" <raymur@chariot.net.au> wrote in message
news:426c3019_1@news.chariot.net.au...

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In article <x8Qae.16194$r53.5629@attbi_s21>, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that

nasa

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of

the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact

the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line

soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to reproducing

the

orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In

the

same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and is

the

vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's Uncertainty
Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal conditions

for

RM: I saw this post on Alt.Astrology and found it interesting, even
though I only understand about 10% of what you said.
Surely there would be other "mechanics" around who are doing similar
testng.

No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.
everyone else seems to think it's a hoax. really all it takes is a little
commonsense to figure it out.

ring

RM: Look I don't want to mess anything up here for you if you're just
trying to wind up these trolls (who also infest Alt.Astrology - my
regular newsgroup), but if you're serious and you're trying to be
"scientfic" then you need to need to be careful about the wording of
your statements and try and make them completely factual.
Take for example your statement that you are the only one doing this
work (or taking it seriously). In reality you have no way of knowing,
so you should indicate that you've never HEARD of anyone else doing
it.
Many advances throughout history have been made by individuals at
about the same time - presumably because they each saw the
opportunity as technology etc advanced, so it's quite possible that
there are other amateurs or pro's who are doing the same sort of
stuff - especially if you are using recently acquired tools ie: stuff
acquired in the last decade or so.
Ray
--
ALT.ASTROLOGY.MODERATED
http://readystump.algebra.com/~aam/
The best place on the net to discuss
astrology in the English language.
.

User: "Diet Soda Can Wino"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 01:30:02 PM

"Ray Murphy" <raymur@chariot.net.au> wrote in
news:426c8179_1@news.chariot.net.au:

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In article <5kYae.17543$r53.1583@attbi_s21>, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Ray Murphy" <raymur@chariot.net.au> wrote in message
news:426c3019_1@news.chariot.net.au...

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In article <x8Qae.16194$r53.5629@attbi_s21>, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil,
and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing
about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is
going

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect
that

nasa

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the
planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the
velocity of

the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll
reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most
likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by
impact

the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the
line

soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has
vast resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to
reproducing

the

orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity.
In

the

same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions,
finishes Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal
conditions, and is

the

vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's
Uncertainty Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating
ideal conditions

for

conservation of energy to be applied in a mechanism.

In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands
on the orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make
a microscopic pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely
on macroscopic observations.

I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.

Ring

RM: I saw this post on Alt.Astrology and found it interesting, even
though I only understand about 10% of what you said.
Surely there would be other "mechanics" around who are doing similar
testng.

No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.
everyone else seems to think it's a hoax. really all it takes is a
little commonsense to figure it out.

ring

Look who's ringing the troll bell. None other than Edmo's butt buddy, Le
Ray'tard "Troll" Murphy. Chumming for a bunch of crossposts is a
desperate move.
Be warned folks, Ray Murphy does not deal in facts. He's factually
bankrupt.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 02:25:07 PM

In article <5kYae.17543$r53.1583@attbi_s21>,
ring_theory <ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.

Then you should learn to take commas seriously.

everyone else seems to think it's a hoax. really all it takes is a little
commonsense to figure it out.

Hoax or not it is still pathetic.
.

User: "Jim Phillips"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 06:19:24 AM

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:

"Ray Murphy" <raymur@chariot.net.au> wrote in message
news:426c3019_1@news.chariot.net.au...

----------
In article <x8Qae.16194$r53.5629@attbi_s21>, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that

nasa

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of

the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact

the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line

soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has vast
resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.
Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to reproducing

the

orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In

the

same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and is

the

vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's Uncertainty
Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal conditions

for

RM: I saw this post on Alt.Astrology and found it interesting, even
though I only understand about 10% of what you said.
Surely there would be other "mechanics" around who are doing similar
testng.

Ray
--
ALT.ASTROLOGY.MODERATED
http://readystump.algebra.com/~aam/
The best place on the net to discuss
astrology in the English language.

No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.
everyone else seems to think it's a hoax. really all it takes is a little
commonsense to figure it out.

This reeks of trolldom--has this guy been around a while?
--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
"Moms and dads these days are like the Democratic party: lame, spineless
and not holding up their end of the equation. And kids are like the
Republicans: drunk with power and out of control." -- Bill Maher
.

User: "Widdershins"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 08:44:05 AM

Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:19:24 -0400, Jim Phillips <jphillip@bcpl.net>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:

[...]

No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.
everyone else seems to think it's a hoax. really all it takes is a little
commonsense to figure it out.

This reeks of trolldom--has this guy been around a while?

A couple of days. He seems to be Flagship-like in his arrogant
clinging to the fantasy of Earth being a target for Tempel1.
Remember trying to get Flaggie to look at Dr. Hawass' site
explaining the construction of the pyramids.
Whadda maroon!
Widdy
"Posts on A.A. are not required to contain astrological content."
Rayturd Murphy explains it all.
.

User: "Dan Baldwin"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 01:00:46 PM

ring_theory wrote:

No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.

Perhaps there is hope for humanity after all.
--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
I am a minion of Satan, but my powers are mainly administrative.
Hail the un-alive
.

User: "ring_theory"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 02:25:37 PM

"Dan Baldwin" <dan_baldwin@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:426D304E.7C9B6241@invalid.com...

ring_theory wrote:

No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.

Perhaps there is hope for humanity after all.

Perhaps but i wouldn't count on it man is hopeless.
.

User: "Dan Baldwin"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 03:49:54 PM

ring_theory wrote:

"Dan Baldwin" <dan_baldwin@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:426D304E.7C9B6241@invalid.com...

ring_theory wrote:

No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.

Perhaps there is hope for humanity after all.

Perhaps but i wouldn't count on it man is hopeless.

You are Alexa Cameron, and I claim my two fifty.
--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
I am a minion of Satan, but my powers are mainly administrative.
Hail the un-alive
.

User: "ring_theory"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 04:27:08 PM

"Dan Baldwin" <dan_baldwin@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:426D57F2.D110B779@invalid.com...

ring_theory wrote:

"Dan Baldwin" <dan_baldwin@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:426D304E.7C9B6241@invalid.com...

ring_theory wrote:

No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.

Perhaps there is hope for humanity after all.

Perhaps but i wouldn't count on it man is hopeless.

You are Alexa Cameron, and I claim my two fifty.

Whatever
.

User: "yt56erd"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 02:29:03 PM

ring_theory wrote:

Perhaps but i wouldn't count on it man is hopeless.

dont accuse the rest of the human race of being like you
.

User: "Wally Anglesea™"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 08:13:30 PM

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:51:41 GMT, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Widdershins" <sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote in message
news:027n61ds98jjq72v2t9qpjg70bok47v721@4ax.com...

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

ROFL!!!

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity. In the
same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and is the
vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's Uncertainty
Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal conditions for
conservation of energy to be applied in a mechanism.

In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands on the
orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make a microscopic
pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely on macroscopic
observations.

I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.

Why?, your silly notions don't deserve consideration, credophile.
--
Maj. General, Fanatic Legions.
Commander of Southern Hemisphere Forces.
Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
.

User: "yt56erd"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 12:44:09 PM

ring_theory wrote:

A child could see that with the right resources. The internet has

vast

resources one could soak up knowlege unabated.

yeah, why dont you then?

Other than that, I spin rings. which is the closest thing to

reproducing the

orbital mechanism empirically known to date.

stop talking crap.

The simple act of spinning a ring challenges the perception of
perpetual motion, unity/over-unity, free-energy, and anti gravity.

In the

same regards the act also puts fact to quantum predictions, finishes
Maxwell's works, Applies faradays work's under ideal conditions, and

is the

vision einstein couldn't see. Puts certainty to Heisenberg's

Uncertainty

Principle. Upholds the laws of thermodynamics creating ideal

conditions for

conservation of energy to be applied in a mechanism.

ZZZZZZZZ wake me up when you get down from your herbal high.

In essence I'm the only "orbital mechanic" *actually* laying hands on

the

orbital. So untill quantum physics can figure a way to make a

microscopic

pit crew for the orbital, were going to have to rely on macroscopic
observations.

I guess I'm a skeptic's dream subject.
Step up! let's get it on.

Ring

User: "Bob Officer"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 10:09:53 PM

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:17:01 -0700, in alt.astrology, Widdershins
<sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote:

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

Good question since a decrease of mass and increase in DeltaV will raise the
orbit. Said orbit now varies between mars and jupiter will put said object
farther from Earth which orbits inside Mars orbit.
This guy is a idiot and K'filed for good cause.
--
Ak'toh'di
.

User: "Wally Anglesea™"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	24 Apr 2005 10:38:24 PM

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:09:53 -0700, Bob Officer
<bobofficers@invalid.net> wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:17:01 -0700, in alt.astrology, Widdershins
<sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote:

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

Tempel1 orbits in a 2:1 resonance with Jupiter.
IN a few years, Jupiter will give it another nudge, as it has in the
past. JUpiter nudged the comet so that it "went missing" for years,
before being re-acquired, and working back the mechanics, it was
established that the object was indeed Tempel1.
On of the reasons NASA picked Temepl1 is that it's orbit is so
precisely known. Something the chicken littles of the world seem to
deliberately ignore.

This guy is a idiot and K'filed for good cause.

--
Maj. General, Fanatic Legions.
Commander of Southern Hemisphere Forces.
Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
.

User: "ring_theory"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 12:55:49 AM

"Wally AngleseaT >" <"<wanglese"@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au> wrote
in message news:hbpo6111lvqfaej8lv5mdl29m2sv8po2t8@4ax.com...

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:09:53 -0700, Bob Officer
<bobofficers@invalid.net> wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:17:01 -0700, in alt.astrology, Widdershins
<sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote:

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that

nasa is

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of

the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact

the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line

soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

Good question since a decrease of mass and increase in DeltaV will raise

the

orbit. Said orbit now varies between mars and jupiter will put said

object

farther from Earth which orbits inside Mars orbit.

Tempel1 orbits in a 2:1 resonance with Jupiter.

IN a few years, Jupiter will give it another nudge, as it has in the
past. JUpiter nudged the comet so that it "went missing" for years,
before being re-acquired, and working back the mechanics, it was
established that the object was indeed Tempel1.

On of the reasons NASA picked Temepl1 is that it's orbit is so
precisely known. Something the chicken littles of the world seem to
deliberately ignore.

Right I can agree with that however it's not it's natural orbit that bothers
me as much as what it's orbit is going to be after we blow some landscape
out of it and give it a boost in velocity altering it's orbit.
Had this approach been used on titan we'd be dealing with a cataclismic
galactical event! Some things don't react well with explosions.
NASA could have just as well landed a probe of sorts on it and collect data
over a period of time which is the normal method. Why all of a sudden do we
change our method of observation??
Colliding particles isn't enough??
I just hope my speculations are wrong!
Ring
.

User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 04:23:47 AM

"ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FD%ae.18209$NU4.5696@attbi_s22...

<snip>

I just hope my speculations are wrong!

That's ok then.
.

User: "Wally Anglesea™"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	20 Feb 2006 05:05:57 PM

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 05:55:49 GMT, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Wally AngleseaT >" <"<wanglese"@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au> wrote
in message news:hbpo6111lvqfaej8lv5mdl29m2sv8po2t8@4ax.com...

<SNIP>

Tempel1 orbits in a 2:1 resonance with Jupiter.

IN a few years, Jupiter will give it another nudge, as it has in the
past. JUpiter nudged the comet so that it "went missing" for years,
before being re-acquired, and working back the mechanics, it was
established that the object was indeed Tempel1.

On of the reasons NASA picked Temepl1 is that it's orbit is so
precisely known. Something the chicken littles of the world seem to
deliberately ignore.

Right I can agree with that however it's not it's natural orbit that bothers
me as much as what it's orbit is going to be after we blow some landscape
out of it and give it a boost in velocity altering it's orbit.

Had this approach been used on titan we'd be dealing with a cataclismic
galactical event! Some things don't react well with explosions.

NASA could have just as well landed a probe of sorts on it and collect data
over a period of time which is the normal method. Why all of a sudden do we
change our method of observation??

Colliding particles isn't enough??

I just hope my speculations are wrong!

Just a gentle reminder......
--
Maj. General, Fanatic Legions.
Commander of Southern Hemisphere Forces.
Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
.

User: ""
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	20 Feb 2006 07:50:26 PM

In article <2kikv1hvdb71cct71468b8gs8n9v38htef@4ax.com>,
Wally Anglesea <<wanglese@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au> wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 05:55:49 GMT, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Wally AngleseaT >" <"<wanglese"@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au> wrote
in message news:hbpo6111lvqfaej8lv5mdl29m2sv8po2t8@4ax.com...

<SNIP>

Tempel1 orbits in a 2:1 resonance with Jupiter.

IN a few years, Jupiter will give it another nudge, as it has in the
past. JUpiter nudged the comet so that it "went missing" for years,
before being re-acquired, and working back the mechanics, it was
established that the object was indeed Tempel1.

On of the reasons NASA picked Temepl1 is that it's orbit is so
precisely known. Something the chicken littles of the world seem to
deliberately ignore.

Right I can agree with that however it's not it's natural orbit that bothers
me as much as what it's orbit is going to be after we blow some landscape
out of it and give it a boost in velocity altering it's orbit.

Had this approach been used on titan we'd be dealing with a cataclismic
galactical event! Some things don't react well with explosions.

NASA could have just as well landed a probe of sorts on it and collect data
over a period of time which is the normal method. Why all of a sudden do we
change our method of observation??

Colliding particles isn't enough??

I just hope my speculations are wrong!

Just a gentle reminder......

At least he got his hope.
.

User: "Jim Phillips"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 06:58:39 AM

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:

"Wally AngleseaT >" <"<wanglese"@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au> wrote
in message news:hbpo6111lvqfaej8lv5mdl29m2sv8po2t8@4ax.com...

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:09:53 -0700, Bob Officer
<bobofficers@invalid.net> wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:17:01 -0700, in alt.astrology, Widdershins
<sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote:

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory" <ring_theory@yahoo.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is going to

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect that

nasa is

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity of

the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by impact

the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the line

soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

Good question since a decrease of mass and increase in DeltaV will raise

the

orbit. Said orbit now varies between mars and jupiter will put said

object

farther from Earth which orbits inside Mars orbit.

Tempel1 orbits in a 2:1 resonance with Jupiter.

IN a few years, Jupiter will give it another nudge, as it has in the
past. JUpiter nudged the comet so that it "went missing" for years,
before being re-acquired, and working back the mechanics, it was
established that the object was indeed Tempel1.

On of the reasons NASA picked Temepl1 is that it's orbit is so
precisely known. Something the chicken littles of the world seem to
deliberately ignore.

You obviously have *zero* appreciation for the masses involved. I
strongly suggest you learn *something* before making an even greater fool of
yourself.

NASA could have just as well landed a probe of sorts on it and collect data
over a period of time which is the normal method.

Again, you have *no* appreciation for how hard a mission like this
would be.

Why all of a sudden do we change our method of observation??

How many missions have we landed on comets?

Colliding particles isn't enough??

I just hope my speculations are wrong!

You have nothing to worry about--your speculations are wildly
wrong.
--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
"Moms and dads these days are like the Democratic party: lame, spineless
and not holding up their end of the equation. And kids are like the
Republicans: drunk with power and out of control." -- Bill Maher
.

User: "ring_theory"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 01:46:24 PM

"Jim Phillips" <jphillip@bcpl.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1050425075543.23689F-100000@mail...

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:

"Wally AngleseaT >" <"<wanglese"@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au>

wrote

in message news:hbpo6111lvqfaej8lv5mdl29m2sv8po2t8@4ax.com...

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:09:53 -0700, Bob Officer
<bobofficers@invalid.net> wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:17:01 -0700, in alt.astrology, Widdershins
<sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote:

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory"

<ring_theory@yahoo.com>

licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing

about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is

going to

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect

that

nasa is

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the

planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity

the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll

reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most

likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by

impact

the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the

line

soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

Good question since a decrease of mass and increase in DeltaV will

raise

the

orbit. Said orbit now varies between mars and jupiter will put said

object

farther from Earth which orbits inside Mars orbit.

Tempel1 orbits in a 2:1 resonance with Jupiter.

IN a few years, Jupiter will give it another nudge, as it has in the
past. JUpiter nudged the comet so that it "went missing" for years,
before being re-acquired, and working back the mechanics, it was
established that the object was indeed Tempel1.

On of the reasons NASA picked Temepl1 is that it's orbit is so
precisely known. Something the chicken littles of the world seem to
deliberately ignore.

Right I can agree with that however it's not it's natural orbit that

bothers

me as much as what it's orbit is going to be after we blow some

landscape

out of it and give it a boost in velocity altering it's orbit.

Had this approach been used on titan we'd be dealing with a cataclismic
galactical event! Some things don't react well with explosions.

You obviously have *zero* appreciation for the masses involved. I
strongly suggest you learn *something* before making an even greater fool

yourself.

I'm not beyond playing the part of a fool. If voicing my concern about an
event that has even in an infinitismal chance that it could destroy the
planet We ALL live on, than I'm the fool all day long.
My appreation for the masses and their entropy of it is what creates the
concern. Some things split when you impact them.

NASA could have just as well landed a probe of sorts on it and collect

data

over a period of time which is the normal method.

Again, you have *no* appreciation for how hard a mission like this
would be.

No I'm not into the intricacies of the inflated funding game nasa plays.
It's not like nasa hasn't got maneuvering in space down to a science.
I could make it alot easier and less time consuming. But NASA doesn't have
the time for joe dumfuk inventors.

Why all of a sudden do we change our method of observation??

How many missions have we landed on comets?

Won't if we don't try.

Colliding particles isn't enough??

I just hope my speculations are wrong!

You have nothing to worry about--your speculations are wildly
wrong.

There is plenty to worry about. just because you choose to dissmiss
the the bad possibilities, doesn't mean they go away.
I hope the damned thing splits into 3 pieces and mars pulls it in.
Ring
.

User: "Wally Anglesea™"
Title: Re: RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION	25 Apr 2005 06:35:06 PM

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:46:24 GMT, "ring_theory"
<ring_theory@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Jim Phillips" <jphillip@bcpl.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1050425075543.23689F-100000@mail...

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:

"Wally AngleseaT >" <"<wanglese"@spammersbigpondareparasites.net.au>

wrote

in message news:hbpo6111lvqfaej8lv5mdl29m2sv8po2t8@4ax.com...

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:09:53 -0700, Bob Officer
<bobofficers@invalid.net> wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:17:01 -0700, in alt.astrology, Widdershins
<sinistre@liripipe.com> wrote:

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory"

<ring_theory@yahoo.com>

licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing

about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is

going to

do 2

things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect

that

nasa is

trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the

planet

which

would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity

the

comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll

reach

escape

velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most

likely

right

into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by

impact

the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the

line

soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

Good question since a decrease of mass and increase in DeltaV will

raise

the

orbit. Said orbit now varies between mars and jupiter will put said

object

farther from Earth which orbits inside Mars orbit.

Tempel1 orbits in a 2:1 resonance with Jupiter.

IN a few years, Jupiter will give it another nudge, as it has in the
past. JUpiter nudged the comet so that it "went missing" for years,
before being re-acquired, and working back the mechanics, it was
established that the object was indeed Tempel1.

On of the reasons NASA picked Temepl1 is that it's orbit is so
precisely known. Something the chicken littles of the world seem to
deliberately ignore.

Right I can agree with that however it's not it's natural orbit that

bothers

me as much as what it's orbit is going to be after we blow some

landscape

out of it and give it a boost in velocity altering it's orbit.

Had this approach been used on titan we'd be dealing with a cataclismic
galactical event! Some things don't react well with explosions.

You obviously have *zero* appreciation for the masses involved. I
strongly suggest you learn *something* before making an even greater fool

yourself.

I'm not beyond playing the part of a fool.

Sig file material #1

If voicing my concern about an
event that has even in an infinitismal chance that it could destroy the
planet We ALL live on, than
I'm the fool all day long.

Sig file material #2

My appreation for the masses and their entropy of it is what creates the
concern. Some things split when you impact them.

NASA could have just as well landed a probe of sorts on it and collect

data

over a period of time which is the normal method.

Again, you have *no* appreciation for how hard a mission like this
would be.

No I'm not into the intricacies of the inflated funding game nasa plays.
It's not like nasa hasn't got maneuvering in space down to a science.

I could make it alot easier and less time consuming. But NASA doesn't have
the time for joe dumfuk inventors.

Why all of a sudden do we change our method of observation??

How many missions have we landed on comets?

Won