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04 Oct 2005 07:30:01 PM |
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Russian Engineer May Have Proven Fermat's Theorem |
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
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| User: "W. Dale Hall" |
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| Title: Re: Russian Engineer May Have Proven Fermat's Theorem |
06 Oct 2005 03:20:53 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
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| User: "Chip Eastham" |
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| Title: Re: Russian Engineer May Have Proven Fermat's Theorem |
06 Oct 2005 06:31:52 PM |
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W. Dale Hall wrote:
julious_cesar2000@yahoo.com.mx wrote:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
As you are [or should be] well aware, this website is one of
the homes of the neo-Nazi movement in the US. If you're a David
Duke supporter, know the lyrics of the Horst Wessel Lied, and
think of racism as a positive influence for humanity, this web
site is for you!
Don't believe me? Just click around. Here's what you find at the
bottom of the page you get to by clicking "Join":
* Persons of Jewish descent, homosexuals or bisexuals,
criminals, persons with a non-White spouse or sexual
partner, or persons with more than an undetectable
trace of non-White ancestry are specifically barred
from membership.
Sometimes you can tell the credibility of a story by its source.
Dale
Thanks, that pretty well clears up the mystery of why the Web
filters at my job blocked access to the site!
regards, chip
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| User: "Rick Decker" |
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| Title: Re: Russian Engineer May Have Proven Fermat's Theorem |
04 Oct 2005 08:04:00 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
This is priceless. I especially liked, "However, the great theorem may
be considered proven only two years after the official publication of
the proof." This is a regulation that has managed to escape my notice
for my entire career. At least the possible drawbacks mentioned in
the MosNews article were reasonable (more or less, though they were
several orders of magnitude off in the value of the Wolfskehl prize,
at least if they were referring to the original, pre-inflation value).
<followups trimmed>
Regards,
Rick
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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| Title: Re: Russian Engineer May Have Proven Fermat's Theorem |
04 Oct 2005 09:19:05 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
Wiles proved it ten years ago.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" |
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05 Oct 2005 03:10:20 PM |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
julious_cesar2000@yahoo.com.mx wrote:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
Wiles proved it ten years ago.
Bob Kolker
But is this 'proof' any simpler, easier to understand
than Wiles proof?
Also as a matter of perhaps psychology, ..
Now that due to Wiles the theorem is considered proven,
will this fact make the analysis of the new 'proof' more
sloppy letting some flaws be dismissed, whereas previously
they would have failed the proof?
--
Rostyk
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| User: "Oliver Costich" |
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06 Oct 2005 08:43:34 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:10:20 -0400, "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj"
<urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
julious_cesar2000@yahoo.com.mx wrote:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
Wiles proved it ten years ago.
Bob Kolker
But is this 'proof' any simpler, easier to understand
than Wiles proof?
Also as a matter of perhaps psychology, ..
Now that due to Wiles the theorem is considered proven,
will this fact make the analysis of the new 'proof' more
sloppy letting some flaws be dismissed, whereas previously
they would have failed the proof?
Not to mention that every "simple" proof proffered in the past has
been wrong.
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| User: "Marc Olschok" |
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06 Oct 2005 09:44:29 AM |
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In sci.math Oliver Costich <olc-caNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:10:20 -0400, "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj"
<urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
julious_cesar2000@yahoo.com.mx wrote:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
Wiles proved it ten years ago.
Bob Kolker
But is this 'proof' any simpler, easier to understand
than Wiles proof?
Also as a matter of perhaps psychology, ..
Now that due to Wiles the theorem is considered proven,
will this fact make the analysis of the new 'proof' more
sloppy letting some flaws be dismissed, whereas previously
they would have failed the proof?
Not to mention that every "simple" proof proffered in the past has
been wrong.
They keep pouring in: <http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/math.GM/0510081>
Marc
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| User: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" |
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06 Oct 2005 12:14:09 PM |
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Oliver Costich wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:10:20 -0400, "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj"
<urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
julious_cesar2000@yahoo.com.mx wrote:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
Wiles proved it ten years ago.
Bob Kolker
But is this 'proof' any simpler, easier to understand
than Wiles proof?
Also as a matter of perhaps psychology, ..
Now that due to Wiles the theorem is considered proven,
will this fact make the analysis of the new 'proof' more
sloppy letting some flaws be dismissed, whereas previously
they would have failed the proof?
Not to mention that every "simple" proof proffered in the past has
been wrong.
For some kinds of logical oversights it is easy to point
out the holes in the logic. However since the theorem is
accepted as proved, smaller weknesses in the new 'proof'
may get overlooked.
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| User: "Minus XVII" |
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05 Oct 2005 02:36:51 PM |
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but, did Wiles's method include n=3 and n=4 ?!?
how does it shed any light on Fermat's proof?
thus:
I had forgotten taht you actually do
use a zero-tet; how about that?
seeing as the fourth coordinate is completely
determined by the other three, though,
it's hard to make a case that "space is 4d" from it;
this is known as homogenous coordination
in the literature, and I'm sure that
that is reflected in WWWolframania --
coming to a stadium near you!
also, I don't see how they're tetrahedrally symmetrical,
with that fourth coordinate; it looks asym.
If you can use Cartesian coordinates (x,y,z) then you can use
Synergetics coordinates (a,b,c,-a-b-c).
http://users.adelphia.net/~cnelson9/Links/index_lnk_11.html
--Trickier *****'s Obnoxico?
http://larouchepub.com/other/2005/3237energy_heist.html
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| User: "Henry Lemington-Wholeflavors" |
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04 Oct 2005 07:45:52 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
You're a total moron, and that article was written by an idiot.
"Fermat's theorem is the unproved theorem indicating that the equation
xn + yn = zn has no solution for x,y,z nonzero integers when n is
greater than 2."
No. It's x^n + y^n = z^n. Big difference.
Furthermore, it's already been proven, a decade ago, by Andrew Wiles.
--
http://cherenkov-radiation.blogspot.com
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| User: "magic math tricks" |
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| Title: Re: Russian Engineer May Have Proven Fermat's Theorem |
04 Oct 2005 09:35:55 PM |
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false; wiles proved the theorem only subject to the takanaka
conditions, which are controversial. this russian guy claims to have
found a simple,, more general proof. it takes 2 years in russia for
publication.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TVRSUJk=?=" |
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05 Oct 2005 02:53:33 AM |
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http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/science/61504
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julious_cesar2000@yahoo.com.mx wrote:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5839
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| User: "Captain!" |
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05 Oct 2005 06:47:43 AM |
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sorry but this was already posted to SCR a while back. it was determined by
our expert-in-all-things-russian panel of judges, including the illustrious
MTRP, to be BS.
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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05 Oct 2005 02:49:20 PM |
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Captain! wrote:
sorry but this was already posted to SCR a while back. it was determined by
our expert-in-all-things-russian panel of judges, including the illustrious
MTRP, to be BS.
Cross postings to Mexico-related groups deleted.
On sci.math, nobody had sufficient Russian to be able to read
the article. There was an article in the Italian press that
had a quote from a mathematician to the effect that "I haven't
seen the proof, but from the fact that it is so short (3 lines)
I suspect it is a proof of a simpler theorem that only
resembles Fermat's".
So can somebody in your newsgroup point to a relevant
translation of the Russian, so we can examine it from a
mathematical standpoint?
- Randy
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| User: "Martti Nikunen" |
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06 Oct 2005 12:32:43 AM |
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On 5 Oct 2005 12:49:20 -0700, Randy Poe <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote:
Captain! wrote:
sorry but this was already posted to SCR a while back. it was determined by
our expert-in-all-things-russian panel of judges, including the illustrious
MTRP, to be BS.
Cross postings to Mexico-related groups deleted.
On sci.math, nobody had sufficient Russian to be able to read
the article. There was an article in the Italian press that
had a quote from a mathematician to the effect that "I haven't
seen the proof, but from the fact that it is so short (3 lines)
I suspect it is a proof of a simpler theorem that only
resembles Fermat's".
So can somebody in your newsgroup point to a relevant
translation of the Russian, so we can examine it from a
mathematical standpoint?
- Randy
See
http://fermatslasttheorem.blogspot.com/2005/08/another-false-proof-russian-professor.html
Martti Nikunen
Department of Mathematics and Statistics, University of Helsinki
martti.nikunen@helsinki.fi
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