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"manny" |
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16 Mar 2006 05:57:11 PM |
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Savants & a Nobel Prize |
Gell-Mann was said to have amazing calculation abilities making him
discover the amazing symmetries in gauge theories where he made
sense of the particle zoo where they formed a pattern ultimately made
of quarks.
People with savant syndrome have amazing calculation and analytical
abilities. Some intelligence agencies even hired savants to crack spy
codes.
Now a question.
Supposed a savant genius discovered something important in physics
like making an equation that can produce the constants of nature
and he doesn't have any physics degree. Can he win a Nobel Prize?
If he can. What category of it can he fall under. If he can't be put
in the Physics Nobel Prize categority. Can he be moved elsewhere
like Nobel Peace Prize, etc?
I heard a Nobel Prize is worth 10 million dollars now and if I meet
a mathematical genius savant and invest in him (hoping to get a
percentage of his $10 Million Nobel money) and let someone
tutor him on physics. Can he win a Nobel Prize if he discover
something very important but without the genius savant having
any physics degree?
manny
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Savants & a Nobel Prize |
16 Mar 2006 09:18:24 PM |
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"Boy, I sure wish we had one of them savant geniouses!"
- General Ripper
from "Dr. Strangelove"
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Savants & a Nobel Prize |
16 Mar 2006 09:26:18 PM |
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You wouldn't know if you did.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Savants & a Nobel Prize |
16 Mar 2006 10:37:03 PM |
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The really interesting thing about savants is that their existence
really destroys the idea that intelligence can be measured with any
type of IQ test.
Savants have all kinds of different abilities, but there is no gurantee
that a given savant will be superior to a non-savant in some aspects.
Take for example the guy who had pi memorized to 35,000 decimals. He
recited this number without a single error to proctors. But could he
reinvent calculus ?
It also speaks to the linear type of pedagogy which many people find
irritating.
I think that almost all scientists have a touch of savant in them in
millions of different flavors. If you could put them all together you'd
have one hell of a collective brain.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Savants & a Nobel Prize |
16 Mar 2006 07:29:25 PM |
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In article <1142553431.448362.304990@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> writes:
Gell-Mann was said to have amazing calculation abilities making him
discover the amazing symmetries in gauge theories where he made
sense of the particle zoo where they formed a pattern ultimately made
of quarks.
People with savant syndrome have amazing calculation and analytical
abilities. Some intelligence agencies even hired savants to crack spy
codes.
Now a question.
Supposed a savant genius discovered something important in physics
like making an equation that can produce the constants of nature
and he doesn't have any physics degree. Can he win a Nobel Prize?
If he can. What category of it can he fall under. If he can't be put
in the Physics Nobel Prize categority. Can he be moved elsewhere
like Nobel Peace Prize, etc?
I heard a Nobel Prize is worth 10 million dollars now and if I meet
a mathematical genius savant and invest in him (hoping to get a
percentage of his $10 Million Nobel money) and let someone
tutor him on physics. Can he win a Nobel Prize if he discover
something very important but without the genius savant having
any physics degree?
There is absolutely no requirement of a degree, for a Nobel prize.
And, no, it is not worth $10M.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "manny" |
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| Title: Re: Savants & a Nobel Prize |
16 Mar 2006 09:26:55 PM |
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wrote:
In article <1142553431.448362.304990@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> writes:
Gell-Mann was said to have amazing calculation abilities making him
discover the amazing symmetries in gauge theories where he made
sense of the particle zoo where they formed a pattern ultimately made
of quarks.
People with savant syndrome have amazing calculation and analytical
abilities. Some intelligence agencies even hired savants to crack spy
codes.
Now a question.
Supposed a savant genius discovered something important in physics
like making an equation that can produce the constants of nature
and he doesn't have any physics degree. Can he win a Nobel Prize?
If he can. What category of it can he fall under. If he can't be put
in the Physics Nobel Prize categority. Can he be moved elsewhere
like Nobel Peace Prize, etc?
I heard a Nobel Prize is worth 10 million dollars now and if I meet
a mathematical genius savant and invest in him (hoping to get a
percentage of his $10 Million Nobel money) and let someone
tutor him on physics. Can he win a Nobel Prize if he discover
something very important but without the genius savant having
any physics degree?
There is absolutely no requirement of a degree, for a Nobel prize.
And, no, it is not worth $10M.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Here, it's mentioned that beginning year 2001, the prize is worth $10
million.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel/amounts.html
Where is it written that a degree is not needed? Is that why so many
crackpots here are busy with their delusions because they are aiming
for the prize? By any chance, has there been any Nobel winner in the
history of Physics or Chemistry who doesn't have a degree but one of
those intrinsic savant geniuses who has solved some problems?
manny
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Savants & a Nobel Prize |
16 Mar 2006 10:11:02 PM |
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In article <1142566015.664662.101930@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1142553431.448362.304990@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> writes:
Gell-Mann was said to have amazing calculation abilities making him
discover the amazing symmetries in gauge theories where he made
sense of the particle zoo where they formed a pattern ultimately made
of quarks.
People with savant syndrome have amazing calculation and analytical
abilities. Some intelligence agencies even hired savants to crack spy
codes.
Now a question.
Supposed a savant genius discovered something important in physics
like making an equation that can produce the constants of nature
and he doesn't have any physics degree. Can he win a Nobel Prize?
If he can. What category of it can he fall under. If he can't be put
in the Physics Nobel Prize categority. Can he be moved elsewhere
like Nobel Peace Prize, etc?
I heard a Nobel Prize is worth 10 million dollars now and if I meet
a mathematical genius savant and invest in him (hoping to get a
percentage of his $10 Million Nobel money) and let someone
tutor him on physics. Can he win a Nobel Prize if he discover
something very important but without the genius savant having
any physics degree?
There is absolutely no requirement of a degree, for a Nobel prize.
And, no, it is not worth $10M.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Here, it's mentioned that beginning year 2001, the prize is worth $10
million.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel/amounts.html
That will be for the total awarded each year, not for any single
prize. Note that there are six prizes awarded.
Where is it written that a degree is not needed?
Where it is written that one is needed?
Is that why so many crackpots here are busy with their delusions
because they are aiming for the prize?
Maybe.
By any chance, has there been any Nobel winner in the
history of Physics or Chemistry who doesn't have a degree but one of
those intrinsic savant geniuses who has solved some problems?
I really don't know. There were people who got their prize on work
they did as graduate students.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "manny" |
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| Title: Re: Savants & a Nobel Prize |
17 Mar 2006 03:20:50 AM |
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wrote:
In article <1142566015.664662.101930@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> writes:
wrote:
In article <1142553431.448362.304990@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> writes:
Gell-Mann was said to have amazing calculation abilities making him
discover the amazing symmetries in gauge theories where he made
sense of the particle zoo where they formed a pattern ultimately made
of quarks.
People with savant syndrome have amazing calculation and analytical
abilities. Some intelligence agencies even hired savants to crack spy
codes.
Now a question.
Supposed a savant genius discovered something important in physics
like making an equation that can produce the constants of nature
and he doesn't have any physics degree. Can he win a Nobel Prize?
If he can. What category of it can he fall under. If he can't be put
in the Physics Nobel Prize categority. Can he be moved elsewhere
like Nobel Peace Prize, etc?
I heard a Nobel Prize is worth 10 million dollars now and if I meet
a mathematical genius savant and invest in him (hoping to get a
percentage of his $10 Million Nobel money) and let someone
tutor him on physics. Can he win a Nobel Prize if he discover
something very important but without the genius savant having
any physics degree?
There is absolutely no requirement of a degree, for a Nobel prize.
And, no, it is not worth $10M.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Here, it's mentioned that beginning year 2001, the prize is worth $10
million.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel/amounts.html
That will be for the total awarded each year, not for any single
prize. Note that there are six prizes awarded.
What?? You mean the $1.3 million is to be divided among the
6 categories so each Nobel Prize holder will only get approx
$215,000? You sure about this? I thought each of the category
winner would get $1.3 million each.
manny
Where is it written that a degree is not needed?
Where it is written that one is needed?
Is that why so many crackpots here are busy with their delusions
because they are aiming for the prize?
Maybe.
By any chance, has there been any Nobel winner in the
history of Physics or Chemistry who doesn't have a degree but one of
those intrinsic savant geniuses who has solved some problems?
I really don't know. There were people who got their prize on work
they did as graduate students.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Savants & a Nobel Prize |
17 Mar 2006 03:24:55 AM |
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In article <1142587250.447067.271990@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1142566015.664662.101930@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1142553431.448362.304990@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> writes:
Gell-Mann was said to have amazing calculation abilities making him
discover the amazing symmetries in gauge theories where he made
sense of the particle zoo where they formed a pattern ultimately made
of quarks.
People with savant syndrome have amazing calculation and analytical
abilities. Some intelligence agencies even hired savants to crack spy
codes.
Now a question.
Supposed a savant genius discovered something important in physics
like making an equation that can produce the constants of nature
and he doesn't have any physics degree. Can he win a Nobel Prize?
If he can. What category of it can he fall under. If he can't be put
in the Physics Nobel Prize categority. Can he be moved elsewhere
like Nobel Peace Prize, etc?
I heard a Nobel Prize is worth 10 million dollars now and if I meet
a mathematical genius savant and invest in him (hoping to get a
percentage of his $10 Million Nobel money) and let someone
tutor him on physics. Can he win a Nobel Prize if he discover
something very important but without the genius savant having
any physics degree?
There is absolutely no requirement of a degree, for a Nobel prize.
And, no, it is not worth $10M.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Here, it's mentioned that beginning year 2001, the prize is worth $10
million.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel/amounts.html
That will be for the total awarded each year, not for any single
prize. Note that there are six prizes awarded.
What?? You mean the $1.3 million is to be divided among the
6 categories so each Nobel Prize holder will only get approx
$215,000?
No, I mean that there is somewhere around $10M (perhaps a tad less) to
be divided among all the prices.
You sure about this? I thought each of the category
winner would get $1.3 million each.
The number sounds about right.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Henning Makholm" |
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16 Mar 2006 10:09:03 PM |
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Scripsit "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com>
Where is it written that a degree is not needed?
It's not written anywhere that a degree IS needed, that's why.
By any chance, has there been any Nobel winner in the history of
Physics or Chemistry who doesn't have a degree but one of those
intrinsic savant geniuses who has solved some problems?
Guglielmo Marconi, recipient of half of the 1909 prize in physics, did
not have any formal training as a physicist (if his Nobel lecture is
to be believed).
--
Henning Makholm "Unmetered water, dear. Run it deep."
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| User: "manny" |
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| Title: Re: Savants & a Nobel Prize |
16 Mar 2006 09:33:58 PM |
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manny wrote:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1142553431.448362.304990@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, "manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> writes:
Gell-Mann was said to have amazing calculation abilities making him
discover the amazing symmetries in gauge theories where he made
sense of the particle zoo where they formed a pattern ultimately made
of quarks.
People with savant syndrome have amazing calculation and analytical
abilities. Some intelligence agencies even hired savants to crack spy
codes.
Now a question.
Supposed a savant genius discovered something important in physics
like making an equation that can produce the constants of nature
and he doesn't have any physics degree. Can he win a Nobel Prize?
If he can. What category of it can he fall under. If he can't be put
in the Physics Nobel Prize categority. Can he be moved elsewhere
like Nobel Peace Prize, etc?
I heard a Nobel Prize is worth 10 million dollars now and if I meet
a mathematical genius savant and invest in him (hoping to get a
percentage of his $10 Million Nobel money) and let someone
tutor him on physics. Can he win a Nobel Prize if he discover
something very important but without the genius savant having
any physics degree?
There is absolutely no requirement of a degree, for a Nobel prize.
And, no, it is not worth $10M.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Here, it's mentioned that beginning year 2001, the prize is worth $10
million.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel/amounts.html
Where is it written that a degree is not needed? Is that why so many
crackpots here are busy with their delusions because they are aiming
for the prize? By any chance, has there been any Nobel winner in the
history of Physics or Chemistry who doesn't have a degree but one of
those intrinsic savant geniuses who has solved some problems?
manny
Oh. I'm mistaken, the 10 million is in swedish Sek currency, it's
equivalent to just $1.3 million US dollar.... but parting it half with
the savant $650,000 each would still be cool i guess....
manny
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Savants & a Nobel Prize |
17 Mar 2006 12:19:56 AM |
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"manny" <freshmanorb@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142566438.219774.174280@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Oh. I'm mistaken, the 10 million is in swedish Sek currency, it's
equivalent to just $1.3 million US dollar.... but parting it half with
the savant $650,000 each would still be cool i guess....
You may have quite some wait for the prize to be awarded though.
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