| Topic: |
Science > Physics |
| User: |
"Mike Dubbeld" |
| Date: |
05 Jul 2003 05:52:14 AM |
| Object: |
Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
It appears that Schrödinger's cat is the ultimate paradox. Quantum
Theory imposes a discrete nature upon us with only certain allowed
electron orbits. And yet when we ask it the question of whether
something is a wave or a particle it tells us both. The cat is both
alive and dead at the same time as a wave possibility. It exists in a
nether world state.
Ever seen a sign in a small no-name town that said "Heisenberg may have
slept here" ?
Mike Dubbeld
.
|
|
| User: "Mathew Orman" |
|
| Title: Re: Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
05 Jul 2003 12:29:01 PM |
|
|
"Mike Dubbeld" <miike@erols.com> wrote in message
news:be6avv$i7n$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
It appears that Schrödinger's cat is the ultimate paradox. Quantum
Theory imposes a discrete nature upon us with only certain allowed
electron orbits. And yet when we ask it the question of whether
something is a wave or a particle it tells us both. The cat is both
alive and dead at the same time as a wave possibility. It exists in a
nether world state.
Ever seen a sign in a small no-name town that said "Heisenberg may have
slept here" ?
Mike Dubbeld
Quantum theory is completely false!
It assumes that electrons can move in constant linear velocity.
There isn't a single electron in entire universe that move in constant
linear velocity!
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com
.
|
|
|
| User: "Mike Dubbeld" |
|
| Title: Re: Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
05 Jul 2003 05:13:43 PM |
|
|
"Mathew Orman" <orman@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:be71pi$juc$1@news.onet.pl...
"Mike Dubbeld" <miike@erols.com> wrote in message
news:be6avv$i7n$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
It appears that Schrödinger's cat is the ultimate paradox. Quantum
Theory imposes a discrete nature upon us with only certain allowed
electron orbits. And yet when we ask it the question of whether
something is a wave or a particle it tells us both. The cat is both
alive and dead at the same time as a wave possibility. It exists in
a
nether world state.
Ever seen a sign in a small no-name town that said "Heisenberg may
have
slept here" ?
Mike Dubbeld
Quantum theory is completely false!
It assumes that electrons can move in constant linear velocity.
There isn't a single electron in entire universe that move in constant
linear velocity!
Why not? If it has constant angular velocity it will have constant
linear velocity. What if you have a hydrogen atom out is space in some
frozen shadow at its lowest possible temperature isolated from all other
matter of any sort? Isn't that just the idealized model?
Opps, I have to go scold my electron for interfering with itself
again.... :)
Mike Dubbeld
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com
.
|
|
|
| User: "Mathew Orman" |
|
| Title: Re: Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
05 Jul 2003 06:01:38 PM |
|
|
"Mike Dubbeld" <miike@erols.com> wrote in message
news:be7ito$f2q$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
"Mathew Orman" <orman@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:be71pi$juc$1@news.onet.pl...
"Mike Dubbeld" <miike@erols.com> wrote in message
news:be6avv$i7n$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
It appears that Schrödinger's cat is the ultimate paradox. Quantum
Theory imposes a discrete nature upon us with only certain allowed
electron orbits. And yet when we ask it the question of whether
something is a wave or a particle it tells us both. The cat is both
alive and dead at the same time as a wave possibility. It exists in
a
nether world state.
Ever seen a sign in a small no-name town that said "Heisenberg may
have
slept here" ?
Mike Dubbeld
Quantum theory is completely false!
It assumes that electrons can move in constant linear velocity.
There isn't a single electron in entire universe that move in constant
linear velocity!
Why not? If it has constant angular velocity it will have constant
linear velocity. What if you have a hydrogen atom out is space in some
frozen shadow at its lowest possible temperature isolated from all other
matter of any sort? Isn't that just the idealized model?
Opps, I have to go scold my electron for interfering with itself
again.... :)
Mike Dubbeld
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com
To have a constant angular velocity of an orbiting electron
an atoms has to be in vacuum outside Earth's gravity and must be single.
Atoms is substance are surrounded by nonuniform force field which is the
main reason that they do not move in constant angular velocities.
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com
.
|
|
|
| User: "Paul Curran" |
|
| Title: Re: Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
06 Jul 2003 02:05:19 AM |
|
|
To have a constant angular velocity of an orbiting electron
an atoms has to be in vacuum outside Earth's gravity and must be single.
Why?
Atoms is substance are surrounded by nonuniform force field which is the
main reason that they do not move in constant angular velocities.
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com
Interesting sites, surprised you have not yet been arrested for fraud.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Mathew Orman" |
|
| Title: Re: Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
06 Jul 2003 06:45:52 AM |
|
|
"Paul Curran" <psmc@nospam.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:deifgvc0bfjdqlbmr219a187tvu065m2mt@4ax.com...
To have a constant angular velocity of an orbiting electron
an atoms has to be in vacuum outside Earth's gravity and must be single.
Why?
Atoms is substance are surrounded by nonuniform force field which is the
main reason that they do not move in constant angular velocities.
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com
Interesting sites, surprised you have not yet been arrested for fraud.
Because force field called gravity affects the orbiting electrons in an
atom.
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com
.
|
|
|
| User: "Igor" |
|
| Title: Re: Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
07 Jul 2003 04:13:16 AM |
|
|
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:45:52 +0200, "Mathew Orman" <orman@nospam.com>
wrote:
Because force field called gravity affects the orbiting electrons in an
atom.
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
Maybe down at a separation on the order of the Planck length, but in
an atom, there is just no way. The typical electrostatic interaction
between the electron and the nucleus is nearly 40 orders of magnitude
stronger than their gravitational interaction. Gravity might as well
not even exist given those numbers.
Frankly, I'm not at all surprised. You're another example of someone
posting in this forum that really has nary a clue about even
elementary physics. Time to either go back to school and learn some
or stop posting such tremendous nonsense!!
.
|
|
|
| User: "Mathew Orman" |
|
| Title: Re: Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
07 Jul 2003 08:57:34 AM |
|
|
"Igor" <bx238@bfn.org> wrote in message
news:sudigv46l7njo26hc58ikcsmtuoa7co4n1@4ax.com...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:45:52 +0200, "Mathew Orman" <orman@nospam.com>
wrote:
Because force field called gravity affects the orbiting electrons in an
atom.
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
Maybe down at a separation on the order of the Planck length, but in
an atom, there is just no way. The typical electrostatic interaction
between the electron and the nucleus is nearly 40 orders of magnitude
stronger than their gravitational interaction. Gravity might as well
not even exist given those numbers.
Frankly, I'm not at all surprised. You're another example of someone
posting in this forum that really has nary a clue about even
elementary physics. Time to either go back to school and learn some
or stop posting such tremendous nonsense!!
Absolutely false.
That would mean that electrons are weightless!
The G is independent of mass value.
And you are saying that electrons experience different G or none!
Sincerely,
Mathew Orman
www.ultra-faster-than-light.com
www.radio-faster-than-light.com
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
|
| Title: Re: Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
05 Jul 2003 10:32:24 AM |
|
|
"Mike Dubbeld" <miike@erols.com> wrote in message news:be6avv$i7n$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
It appears that Schrödinger's cat is the ultimate paradox. Quantum
Theory imposes a discrete nature upon us with only certain allowed
electron orbits. And yet when we ask it the question of whether
something is a wave or a particle it tells us both.
When you describe the path of a stone with numbers,
do you say that the stone is a number?
The cat is both
alive and dead at the same time as a wave possibility.
Throw a coin in the air. Before it has landed, or when it
has has landed but before you have looked at the outcome,
do you say that it shows head and tails at the same time?
Dirk Vdm
.
|
|
|
| User: "Mike Dubbeld" |
|
| Title: Re: Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
05 Jul 2003 05:07:38 PM |
|
|
"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:ccCNa.7522$7h.12678@afrodite.telenet-ops.be...
"Mike Dubbeld" <miike@erols.com> wrote in message
news:be6avv$i7n$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
It appears that Schrödinger's cat is the ultimate paradox. Quantum
Theory imposes a discrete nature upon us with only certain allowed
electron orbits. And yet when we ask it the question of whether
something is a wave or a particle it tells us both.
When you describe the path of a stone with numbers,
do you say that the stone is a number?
Thats being evasive. You can assign position and velocity to classical
objects and not call them a position or velocity. The wave function
represents it and is not the electron as a statistical function.
However, statistical functions are not based on certainty as are
non-statistical functions. There is no such thing as certainty in the
universe due to friction etc. But formal logic models (non-statistical
functions) are based on deduction/whole populations are counted - not
merely samples of populations like statistical functions with
probabilities. The assumption is that what the set of possibilities for
any particular group of quons represented by a wave function is equally
true of any particular quon in that group. Whether an entity is
described/represented by a statistical function or an analytical one is
not in question - the type equations that represent phenomena as models
is not the point.
We see what we expect to see.
If like Nick Herbert says - we analyze traffic noise in terms of tuba
waves, we will find a component of traffic noise as a function of tuba
waves. If we look for momentum in a quon, we will find momentum in a
quon (irregardless how inappropriate it may be to look for this)
Justice exists as a possibility wave. It can mean any number of things
to any number of people. As soon as a community passes a law that it is
30 MPH in their neighborhood for cars, it is the same as observing the
quon - it is actualized/observed/the wave function is popped as 30
MPH/observed as a percentage composition of tuba waves.
The same phenomena observed by any number of people can 'pop the wave
function'/actualize the experience by objectifying it in any number of
ways. No 2 people can see the same thing in the same way exactly, each
has their own opinion. Only particulars of the experience can be agreed
to but at some point all will agree to disagree at some level of
granualarity of the experience/phenomena. So you can describe the same
phenomena in any number of ways/pop the wave function/create reality in
any number of ways.
The above has no value for quantification becase Justice can be analyzed
in any number of ways and no one can say which way is right or wrong.
The cat however is not sick as a percentage of life and death. It either
is dead or it is alive. Not somewhere inbetween. You either have a quon
or you don't have a quon. You don't have half a quon or a sick quon.....
:)
Quantum theory appears to be more of an excuse than a theory. The
Standard Model works but we don't know why is like saying I drop this
ball and it falls to the floor. I don't know why but it is the most
thoroughly tested theory in all of science. Great details are provided
by science on the releasing of the ball and moment of impact of the
hitting of the floor. But voodoo action at a distance goes on in
between. Supernatural things are ok if you stick the word theory on the
end. :)
Heisenberg may have existed as a possibility wave from an alien
civilization.
Mike Dubbeld
The cat is both
alive and dead at the same time as a wave possibility.
Throw a coin in the air. Before it has landed, or when it
has has landed but before you have looked at the outcome,
do you say that it shows head and tails at the same time?
Dirk Vdm
.
|
|
|
| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
|
| Title: Re: Schrodingers cat the ultimate paradox |
07 Jul 2003 12:47:07 PM |
|
|
"Mike Dubbeld" <miike@erols.com> wrote in message news:be9rbm$37d$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
[snip]
OK, its not evasive. Any good advice on how I can keep my
electron from interfering with itself going through both slits
at the same time. I trained my dog not to pee on the floor but
this electron is a real problem.... :)
Your electron, this electron.... how do you know?
You don't know how or whether an electron actually
goes "from source to detector". You don't know if an
electron "follows a path". You don't know whether the
electron that hits a detector, is an electron that came out
of the source. You don't even know what an electron
"is like", let alone how it pees ;-)
You do know this for sure: a source emits electrons,
some electrons hit an array of detectors behind the slits,
and you can calculate the relative probabilities of detectors
getting hit. That sums it up I guess... not much, is it?
Dirk Vdm
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Related Articles |
|
|
