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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "kogs"
Date: 05 Oct 2005 08:57:43 AM
Object: Schwarzchild radius of this Cosmos
According to current theories, how did matter in this Cosmos "escape from"
the event horizon when this Cosmos expanded past its Schwarzchild radius? Is
there a name for when this Cosmos was its Schwarzchild radius?
Thanks.
.

User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: Schwarzchild radius of this Cosmos 05 Oct 2005 09:31:43 AM
kogs wrote:

According to current theories, how did matter in this Cosmos "escape from"
the event horizon when this Cosmos expanded past its Schwarzchild radius? Is
there a name for when this Cosmos was its Schwarzchild radius?

How would you calculate the Schwarzschild radius of the *observable*
universe?
.
User: "hanson"

Title: Re: Schwarzchild radius of this Cosmos 05 Oct 2005 10:48:20 AM
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:jtR0f.394134$x96.63498@attbi_s72...

kogs wrote:

According to current theories, how did matter in this Cosmos "escape from"
the event horizon when this Cosmos expanded past its Schwarzchild radius? Is
there a name for when this Cosmos was its Schwarzchild radius?

[Sam]

How would you calculate the Schwarzschild radius [R] of the *observable*
universe?

[hanson]
There is a wonderful simple, chained equation for this phenomena.
Some characteristics of the lightwall shell , the *observable*
universe are described by the beautiful "cosmic 1234 envelope":
:::: c = (G*M/R)^(1/2) = (G*M*H)^(1/3) = (G*M*br)^(1/4) :::
wherein
c= lightspeed, G= Newton, M= total mass in a sphere of R,
H= 1/Travel time from any center to R at the speed of c and
br = the deceleration (or = the curvature of space in SR/GR
terms) caused by G & M, fixing the value of c, or visa versa.
Plug in the numbers, use the Hubble value for H, and then
see for instance the Pioneer 11 anomaly thru' effects of [br]
.........check it out. It's fun......ahahaha.... ahahanson
.
User: "kogs"

Title: Re: Schwarzchild radius of this Cosmos 05 Oct 2005 12:41:16 PM
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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kogs wrote:

According to current theories, how did matter in this Cosmos "escape
from" the event horizon when this Cosmos expanded past its Schwarzchild
radius? Is there a name for when this Cosmos was its Schwarzchild
radius?

[Sam]

How would you calculate the Schwarzschild radius [R] of the
*observable* universe?

[hanson]
There is a wonderful simple, chained equation for this phenomena.
Some characteristics of the lightwall shell , the *observable*
universe are described by the beautiful "cosmic 1234 envelope":

:::: c = (G*M/R)^(1/2) = (G*M*H)^(1/3) = (G*M*br)^(1/4) :::

wherein
c= lightspeed, G= Newton, M= total mass in a sphere of R,
H= 1/Travel time from any center to R at the speed of c and
br = the deceleration (or = the curvature of space in SR/GR
terms) caused by G & M, fixing the value of c, or visa versa.
Plug in the numbers, use the Hubble value for H, and then
see for instance the Pioneer 11 anomaly thru' effects of [br]
........check it out. It's fun......ahahaha.... ahahanson


I guess my real question is:
How did all of the matter contained in this Cosmos "escape from" the
lightwall (thanks for the new word) if matter, and information, cannot
escape from a black hole?
And my idea (I guess I was trolling):
Could the spacetime quantum-foam be the Schwarzschild radius of the black
hole in a spacetime-everted universe, and black holes in this Cosmos "feed"
matter into it and expand this Cosmos? It would involve employing a Klein
bottle topology in place of the projective plane in GR. GR is not bound to
the projective plane, but it would open the door to a sub-quantum
single-pocket universe. I understand that discussing sub-quantum metaphysics
rightfully makes physicists uncomfortable, but it gives consciousness a
place to reside. This would mean that particles in this Cosmos are made-up
of everted particles in the single-pocket universe, and that this Cosmos is
much older that it would seem given the big bang model.
What gave me this idea is that it seems like the further astrophysics look
back in time at galaxies -- expecting to see the formation of galaxies --
there structure is similar to locally observed galaxies:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051003233710.htm
Also, why are there no stars between galaxies? Could this Cosmos, and the
single-pocket universe, have formed into an even distribution of stars and
(today in this Cosmos) most of them have "fallen into" the super massive
black holes at the center of galaxies? I do not have any of the math (I am
obviously not a physicists), but dark matter sounds suspiciously like an
"ether argument." I understand that having dark matter falling into black
holes and converting form into tachyons, and the "fabric of spacetime" as a
single black hole located in another universe, is not much better than an
"ether argument"... Well I appear to have just shot-down my argument, but
are there any fringe theories matching what I am describing?
.
User: "hanson"

Title: Re: Schwarzchild radius of this Cosmos 05 Oct 2005 01:24:52 PM
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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kogs wrote:

According to current theories, how did matter in this Cosmos "escape from"
the event horizon when this Cosmos expanded past its Schwarzchild radius?
Is there a name for when this Cosmos was its Schwarzchild radius?

[Sam]

How would you calculate the Schwarzschild radius [R] of the *observable*
universe?

[hanson]
There is a wonderful simple, chained equation for this phenomena.
Some characteristics of the lightwall shell , the *observable*
universe are described by the beautiful "cosmic 1234 envelope":

:::: c = (G*M/R)^(1/2) = (G*M*H)^(1/3) = (G*M*br)^(1/4) :::

wherein
c= lightspeed, G= Newton, M= total mass in a sphere of R,
H= 1/Travel time from any center to R at the speed of c and
br = the deceleration (or = the curvature of space in SR/GR
terms) caused by G & M, fixing the value of c, or visa versa.
Plug in the numbers, use the Hubble value for H, and then
see for instance the Pioneer 11 anomaly thru' effects of [br]
........check it out. It's fun......ahahaha.... ahahanson


[kogs]

I guess my real question is:
How did all of the matter contained in this Cosmos "escape from" the lightwall
(thanks for the new word) if matter, and information, cannot escape from a
black hole?

[hanson]
Look, all these cosmological theories are NOTHING more but stories
of what may be or could be, perhaps and eventually,.... or NOT.
Cosmological assertions/conclusions by Albi, DeSitters' or Stephen
Hawkings are merely their OPINIONS which do not carry any weight
at all since they never were anywhere even near Barstow, much less
beyond it, let alone them having been near the next star.... ahahaha...
Now, that does not mean that, from a philosophical pov, cosmology
is not the greatest story ever told. == To come back to your question:
Discuss or tabulate the Schwartzschild limit condition equation (above)
with ever larger masses and distances, and you will see that you get
to a point where the Schwarzschild limit coincides with the radius of
the observable universe and the conjecured mass in it. ==
Now, go (in your mind) from here in any direction, say 0.75 R, from
where you are now and you will see another "new, not visible portion"
of the universe BEYOND the old limit R. This process can be repeated
arbitrarily.... but NOBODY knows how large the cosmos (beyond the
visible universe) really is... ahahaha....


[kog]

And my idea (I guess I was trolling): [ No, you are not]
Could the spacetime quantum-foam be the Schwarzschild radius of the black hole
in a spacetime-everted universe, and black holes in this Cosmos "feed" matter
into it and expand this Cosmos? It would involve employing a Klein bottle
topology in place of the projective plane in GR. GR is not bound to the
projective plane, but it would open the door to a sub-quantum single-pocket
universe. I understand that discussing sub-quantum metaphysics rightfully
makes physicists uncomfortable, but it gives consciousness a place to reside.
This would mean that particles in this Cosmos are made-up of everted particles
in the single-pocket universe, and that this Cosmos is much older that it
would seem given the big bang model.

What gave me this idea is that it seems like the further astrophysics look
back in time at galaxies -- expecting to see the formation of galaxies --
there structure is similar to locally observed galaxies:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051003233710.htm
Also, why are there no stars between galaxies? Could this Cosmos, and the
single-pocket universe, have formed into an even distribution of stars and
(today in this Cosmos) most of them have "fallen into" the super massive black
holes at the center of galaxies? I do not have any of the math (I am obviously
not a physicists), but dark matter sounds suspiciously like an "ether
argument." I understand that having dark matter falling into black holes and
converting form into tachyons, and the "fabric of spacetime" as a single black
hole located in another universe, is not much better than an "ether
argument"... Well I appear to have just shot-down my argument, but are there
any fringe theories matching what I am describing?

[hanson]
Go google over this... YOU WILL FIND EXACLTY what you are
looking for... ... for beyond Barstow, in the land of Yondern, there are all
those fantastic conjectures of the mind... It's beautiful!... and the
numbers fit.... No *****!... ahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA....
ahaha... ahahanson
.

User: "Autymn D. C."

Title: Re: Schwarzchild radius of this Cosmos 26 Oct 2005 09:49:19 PM
kogs wrote:

Also, why are there no stars between galaxies? Could this Cosmos, and the
single-pocket universe, have formed into an even distribution of stars and
(today in this Cosmos) most of them have "fallen into" the super massive
black holes at the center of galaxies? I do not have any of the math (I am

Stars need shockwaves from other bodies to bear; else they stay as
floaty gas. The universe could leave the Schwarzschild radius because
it's a white hole, not a black hole.
-Aut
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