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"=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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19 Apr 2006 08:34:06 AM |
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Science was Einstein's Religion. |
Hi All, Einstein believed _True_ theorists are Sober_Minded metaphysicists,
saying:
Every _True_ theorist is a kind of tamed metaphysicist,
no matter how pure a positivist he may fancy himself.
[ ... He believes in ]
a conceptual system built on premises of great simplicity.
He also believed randomness was _Always_
a failure to measure some intrinsic causality. For example, he once said:
The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation.
The future, to him, is every whit as necessary and determined as the past.
__ See Albert Einstein's The_World_As_I_See_It
StephenJayGould.ORG/ctrl/einstein_religion.html
Consequently, he felt physical processes determined absolutely everything,
including man's desires. See WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Physicalism
For example, he once said:
I do not believe in freedom of the will. Schopenhauer's words:
“ Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wills ”
accompany me in all situations throughout my life
and reconcile me with the actions of others
even if they are rather painful to me.
This awareness of the lack of freedom of will
preserves me from taking too seriously myself and my fellow men
as acting and deciding individuals and from losing my temper."
__ From a speech by Albert Einstein to the German League of Human Rights,
Berlin, in the autumn of 1932, See: EinsteinAndReligion.COM/credo.html
Driven by such a faith,
Eistein became a master at finding once hidden causalities.
For example, his General Relativity explained exactly how
a clock with 10 ^ -16 second accuracy ticks faster
with a minute increase in altitude... long before it was empirically proven.
See: Time Too Good to Be True, PhysicsToday.ORG/vol-59/iss-3/p10.html
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Science was Einstein's Religion. |
19 Apr 2006 03:07:43 PM |
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In <Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_19_Aduw@Cotse.NET>, sent to sci.physics on Wednesday
19 April 2006 14:34, Jeff…Relf (Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM) had a brainstorm and
wrote:
He also believed randomness was _Always_
a failure to measure some intrinsic causality. For example, he once said:
The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation.
The future, to him, is every whit as necessary and determined as the
past. __ See Albert Einstein's The_World_As_I_See_It
StephenJayGould.ORG/ctrl/einstein_religion.html
Your assumption does not logically follow from the citation you quoted.
Putting it on wiki doesn't change anything.
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T Wake
Usenet.es7 at gishpuppy.com
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Meta_Cosmology was Einstein's Religion. |
19 Apr 2006 07:29:53 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, I wrote:
Einstein believed randomness was _Always_
a failure to measure some intrinsic causality. For example, he once said:
The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation.
The future, to him, is every whit as necessary and determined as the
past. __ See Albert Einstein's The_World_As_I_See_It
StephenJayGould.ORG/ctrl/einstein_religion.html
And you replied:
Your assumption does not logically follow from the citation you quoted.
Einstein postulated that the future is just as immutable as the past,
i.e. randomness can only be a failure to measure some intrinsic causality.
He also once wrote:
People like us, who believe in physics, know that
the distinction between past, present, and future is
only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
__ From Freeman Dyson's autobiography "Disturbing the Universe" recounting
a letter Einstein wrote to the sister and son of his oldest friend,
Michele Besso, in 1955
SpeakingOfFaith.PublicRadio.ORG/programs/einsteinsgod/unheardcuts.shtml
You concluded: Putting it on wiki doesn't change anything.
If it's controversial and requires a vote and the attention
of credentialed experts, and it passes... then yes, it does mean something.
Even if it fails the vote, due to it's controversial nature,
it's still true, prima facie.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Meta_Cosmology was Einstein's Religion. |
20 Apr 2006 07:47:48 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_19_P1Vg@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake, I wrote:
Einstein believed randomness was _Always_
a failure to measure some intrinsic causality. For example, he once
said:
The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation.
The future, to him, is every whit as necessary and determined as the
past. __ See Albert Einstein's The_World_As_I_See_It
StephenJayGould.ORG/ctrl/einstein_religion.html
And you replied:
Your assumption does not logically follow from the citation you quoted.
Einstein postulated that the future is just as immutable as the past,
i.e. randomness can only be a failure to measure some intrinsic causality.
Take the i.e. out. When you say it, it highlights you are making an
assumption. The fact you cant realise that is going to be the source of much
amusement.
Never did Einstien say randomness was naught but failiure to measure
accurately enough. You can quote as much as you want. The fact remains.
You concluded: Putting it on wiki doesn't change anything.
If it's controversial and requires a vote and the attention
of credentialed experts, and it passes... then yes, it does mean
something.
Oddly, I (as are several others here) am a credentialled expert so I fully
intend to get involved and ensure your nonsense is stamped out.
Even if it fails the vote, due to it's controversial nature,
it's still true, prima facie.
Hahahahah.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: T_Wake, What, exactly, makes you think you have credentials ? |
20 Apr 2006 08:47:42 AM |
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Hi T_Wake, Speaking of cosmology, you told me:
I ( as are several others here ) am a credentialled expert
so I fully intend to get involved and ensure your nonsense is stamped out.
If you know anything about cosmology, which I doubt, it predated 1998.
What, exactly, makes you think you have credentials ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: T_Wake, What, exactly, makes you think you have credentials ? |
20 Apr 2006 01:19:01 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_20_jvKi@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake, Speaking of cosmology, you told me:
I ( as are several others here ) am a credentialled expert
so I fully intend to get involved and ensure your nonsense is stamped
out.
If you know anything about cosmology, which I doubt, it predated 1998.
What, exactly, makes you think you have credentials ?
Because I have published work in scientific literature. I have worked as a
graduate student at a variety of scientific establishments and have
contributed to the sum of human knowledge on the subject.
You, on the other hand, rant about metaphysics and pseudo-religious topics
on USENET.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Was it something about Inteligent_Design and how you directed it ? |
20 Apr 2006 07:54:24 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, You told me: I have published work in scientific literature.
About what ? How tight you are with the creator of the cosmos ?
Speaking of cosmology, You told me:
I have worked as a graduate student at a variety of scientific establishments
and have contributed to the sum of human knowledge on the subject.
What was your contribution to cosmology
and how does it compare with WMAP's and SNLS' recent report, found here:
Lambda.GSFC.Nasa.GOV/product/map/dr2/pub_papers/threeyear/parameters/wmap_3yr_param.pdf
Was it something about Inteligent_Design and how you directed it ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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21 Apr 2006 07:44:42 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_20_Dvzv@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake, You told me: I have published work in scientific literature.
About what ? How tight you are with the creator of the cosmos ?
Lots of subjects. I spent nearly 10 years in academic work. Sadly I am not
good enough at it to really excell and I am a poor teacher so I left to find
better work.
As for the creator of the cosmos, I am tight enough to not think one exists.
What about you? Are you drinking buddies?
Speaking of cosmology, You told me:
I have worked as a graduate student at a variety of scientific
establishments
and have contributed to the sum of human knowledge on the subject.
What was your contribution to cosmology
My Doctoral thesis. I have no intention of providing you with any more
information on this matter for two reasons:
1 - it isnt relevant to any debate on USENET and I am happy for you to judge
me on my posts not past work.
2 - I have no intention of giving any indicators as to my name and identity
on a newsgroup.
and how does it compare with WMAP's and SNLS' recent report, found here:
Lambda.GSFC.Nasa.GOV/product/map/dr2/pub_papers/threeyear/parameters/wmap_3yr_param.pdf
Nicely thanks.
Was it something about Inteligent_Design and how you directed it ?
Where did you get this from? Are you creating a strawman by asserting that I
am some how a proponent of creationism so you can attack that instead of
your woeful lack of understanding regarding cosmology?
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: T_Wake, A lot of your views have become outdated. |
21 Apr 2006 10:36:25 AM |
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Hi T_Wake, Your doctoral thesis was on cosmology ?
What it exclusively physics ? Cosmology includes softer sciences, you know.
Did it include particle physics ?
As I've said before,
cosmology moves fast, a lot of your views have become outdated.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: T_Wake, A lot of your views have become outdated. |
21 Apr 2006 10:55:19 AM |
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In <Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_21_ciDF@Cotse.NET>, sent to sci.physics on Friday 21
April 2006 16:36, Jeff…Relf (Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM) had a brainstorm and
wrote:
Hi T_Wake, Your doctoral thesis was on cosmology ?
What it exclusively physics ? Cosmology includes softer sciences, you
know.
Really? Thank you for educating me.
Did it include particle physics ?
Oddly, yes.
As I've said before,
cosmology moves fast, a lot of your views have become outdated.
Very true. Not by anything you would recognise though.
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T Wake
Usenet.es7 at gishpuppy.com
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: T_Wake, What, exactly, makes you think you have credentials ? |
20 Apr 2006 02:03:44 PM |
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The crawford house in liverpool.
monday
I have ye pic moron .
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| User: "T Wake" |
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20 Apr 2006 03:03:30 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5654-4447DB10-225@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net...
The crawford house in liverpool.
monday
I have ye pic moron .
No you don't you retarded half wit.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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20 Apr 2006 04:06:04 PM |
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Yes I do.
HA HA HA
Yes I do.
The live cam has been there for 2 years.
I have your pic because I do.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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20 Apr 2006 04:23:05 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21660-4447F7BC-253@storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net...
Yes I do.
HA HA HA
Yes I do.
The live cam has been there for 2 years.
I have your pic because I do.
Ok then, post it genius.
If it has only been there for two years it is VERY unlikely to have a
picture of me on it. However, you are obsessive at the best of times so this
may be amusing.
Shouldn't you be updating your website?
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: T.J., Post them to your website and give us the link so we can all enjoy them. |
20 Apr 2006 08:07:14 PM |
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Hi T.J., If you have pictures of T_Wake and/or me,
post them to your website and give us the link so we can all enjoy them.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: T.J., Post them to your website and give us the link so we can all enjoy them. |
21 Apr 2006 07:41:01 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_20_lpdE@Cotse.NET...
Hi T.J., If you have pictures of T_Wake and/or me,
post them to your website and give us the link so we can all enjoy them.
Sadly it seems to have been a while since TJ updated his website -
http://www.geocities.com/tj1su?cks1/tjfrazir.html [1] but I would love it
for him to put pictures of me on it. I can send him some if he wants.
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[1] before any one accuses me of this, I never made this site - I found it
by searching Google groups
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: GeoCities.COM/tj1sucks1/tjfrazir.html |
21 Apr 2006 10:11:09 AM |
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Hi T_Wake, You munged that link about T.J., it should've been:
GeoCities.COM/tj1sucks1/tjfrazir.html
Very funny. He's an odd one at times, to be sure,
but I still think he's a trader, shipper, paper producer, fleet owner, etc. .
Too bad he and I have almost nothing in common.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: GeoCities.COM/tj1sucks1/tjfrazir.html |
21 Apr 2006 10:48:13 AM |
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In <Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_21_MmBY@Cotse.NET>, sent to sci.physics on Friday 21
April 2006 16:11, Jeff…Relf (Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM) had a brainstorm and
wrote:
Hi T_Wake, You munged that link about T.J., it should've been:
GeoCities.COM/tj1sucks1/tjfrazir.html
Yes. Naughty Google corrupts the link.
Very funny. He's an odd one at times, to be sure,
but I still think he's a trader, shipper, paper producer, fleet owner,
You are alone in thinking that.
etc. . Too bad he and I have almost nothing in common.
Well you both have a very limited grasp on reality, little understanding of
physics, dwell in fantasy existences, post constant off topic crap, refuse
to accept anything people tell you...
Actually you may have more in common than you first think.
--
T Wake
Usenet.es7 at gishpuppy.com
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: If I feel that no one is being harmed, I'll let T.J. step me through a trade. |
21 Apr 2006 10:57:14 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, Comparing T.J. and me, You wrote:
Well you both have a very limited grasp on reality,
little understanding of physics, dwell in fantasy existences,
post constant off topic crap, refuse to accept anything people tell you.
More like: You don't understand the physics, the people, or Usenet.
If I feel that no one is being harmed, I'll let T.J. step me through a trade.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: If I feel that no one is being harmed, I'll let T.J. step me through a trade. |
22 Apr 2006 03:16:21 AM |
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In <Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_21_mPA5@Cotse.NET>, sent to sci.physics on Saturday
22 April 2006 04:57, Jeff…Relf (Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM) had a brainstorm and
wrote:
Hi T_Wake, Comparing T.J. and me, You wrote:
Well you both have a very limited grasp on reality,
little understanding of physics, dwell in fantasy existences,
post constant off topic crap, refuse to accept anything people tell you.
More like: You don't understand the physics, the people, or Usenet.
You are right for once. I should have said You don't understand the physics,
the people, or Usenet. Much more succinct.
If I feel that no one is being harmed, I'll let T.J. step me through a
trade.
Good luck. Let me know when you are rich. I hope you have the US$5 million
or so it would need to start, and some method of translating his
oft-changing gibberish.
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T Wake
Usenet.es7 at gishpuppy.com
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: I don't want to be conned into spamming people for nothing. |
22 Apr 2006 07:06:57 AM |
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Hi T_Wake, Speaking of me finding buyers for T.J., You told me:
Let me know when you are rich.
I hope you have the US$5 million or so it would need to start,
and some method of translating his oft-changing gibberish.
What isn't gibberish to you, T_Wake ?
T.J. wants me to find buyers, jobs like that are always open
....because it pays on comission and few want to do it.
If he wants me to send unsolicited emails or unsolicited phone calss,
I have to wonder if he knows people have spam blockers these days.
Further, I'd be annoying people and might lose my ISP.
But for T.J. I'd do it, so long as he gave me some kind of an assurance.
I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to do that.
I don't want to be conned into spamming people for nothing.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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22 Apr 2006 08:44:56 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Hi T_Wake, Speaking of me finding buyers for T.J., You told me:
Let me know when you are rich.
I hope you have the US$5 million or so it would need to start,
and some method of translating his oft-changing gibberish.
What isn't gibberish to you, T_Wake ?
When it comes to your or frazir's posts - very little. Normally the replies
you get.
T.J. wants me to find buyers, jobs like that are always open
...because it pays on comission and few want to do it.
Good luck. We shall see how rich you are next week.
When you don't become a gazillionaire over night it will mean:
A - Frazir is a lying fool and you are equally retarded for believing him
B - You are just retarded and inept for being unable to follow his advice.
Well here is wishing you good luck at getting out of this without appearing
retarded.
If he wants me to send unsolicited emails or unsolicited phone calss,
I have to wonder if he knows people have spam blockers these days.
Further, I'd be annoying people and might lose my ISP.
But for T.J. I'd do it, so long as he gave me some kind of an assurance.
What assurance can the raving mad man offer you which would actually assure
you?
I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to do that.
I don't want to be conned into spamming people for nothing.
No, I am sure you would rather spam people for money.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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23 Apr 2006 05:14:13 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, Speaking of me doing a trade with T.J., You asked:
What assurance can the raving mad man offer you ?
Instruction and, believe it or not, a demonstration, come next week.
I see these buy offers: TradeLeads.COM/categories_buy.php?cid=16
Google has millions of pages about Trade_Leads.
I wrote: I don't want to be conned into spamming people for nothing.
And you replied: No, I am sure you would rather spam people for money.
I don't know how the offer to sell such huge shipments works,
it might be that I just contact people who have listed themselves as buyers.
If so, then it's not spam.
We're going to be doing it right here, so you'll be able to follow it.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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28 Apr 2006 04:20:58 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_23_RNzW@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake, Speaking of me doing a trade with T.J., You asked:
What assurance can the raving mad man offer you ?
Instruction and, believe it or not, a demonstration, come next week.
Well, it is "next week" now and we can see how far dealing with the loon got
you.....
I see these buy offers: TradeLeads.COM/categories_buy.php?cid=16
Google has millions of pages about Trade_Leads.
Why assume frazir knows what he is talking about then?
I wrote: I don't want to be conned into spamming people for nothing.
And you replied: No, I am sure you would rather spam people for money.
I don't know how the offer to sell such huge shipments works,
it might be that I just contact people who have listed themselves as
buyers.
If so, then it's not spam.
We're going to be doing it right here, so you'll be able to follow it.
And it was brilliant.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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22 Apr 2006 10:53:07 AM |
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I pointed out whats Hot ,,aluminum is on fire.
Evryone wants it.
Look at many things .
Try looking at the one I pointed at you.
Ill start next week ,I dont have time today
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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22 Apr 2006 10:48:12 AM |
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Jeff . Ill start next week.
YOU read ec 21 and B2b and all the trade leads you can find just for
practice.
YOU read the banks pages ad ask them questions .
No one is scamming fuckhead.
Dont start making excuses why you cant do it befor you start.
IF your looking for a car and read in pape a car is for sale ,,is it
spam to ask about the car ?
The trade leads ask for your bizz .
Get to work and stop whinning .
did you find the 6,600,000 pounds of aluminum A grade scrap for 50 cents
pound ?
check the US market pice for Grade A aluminum scrap.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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22 Apr 2006 11:15:28 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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<snip lies>
did you find the 6,600,000 pounds of aluminum A grade scrap for 50 cents
pound ?
<snip nonsense>
You are amazing.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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22 Apr 2006 01:52:24 PM |
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84 cents is curent market.
25 cents is you target buy price.
You will make 59 cents pound .
10 % terrif 6 cents.
You make 53 cents pound .
Any trade that makes 50 cents per pound is a winner. 40 cents is not too
bad.
You can knock a dime off a pound and still make money .
BUT you MUST to the homework .
I dont care if you take your time .
If you dont try ,I wount .
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| User: "T Wake" |
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22 Apr 2006 02:14:47 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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If you dont try ,I wount .
And if you do try, tj Frazir will still be insane.
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For Google Groups users this may be important
http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: If I feel that no one is being harmed, I'll let T.J. step me through a trade. |
21 Apr 2006 11:37:52 PM |
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Jeff...Relf wrote:
Hi T_Wake, Comparing T.J. and me, You wrote:
Well you both have a very limited grasp on reality,
little understanding of physics, dwell in fantasy existences,
post constant off topic crap, refuse to accept anything people tell you.
More like: You don't understand the physics, the people, or Usenet.
Since you have no concept of how USENET given that you cannot quote
properly nor can you keep the subject of a thread constant...your
opinion means what, exactly?
If I feel that no one is being harmed, I'll let T.J. step me through a trade.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: If I feel that no one is being harmed, I'll let T.J. step meth... |
21 Apr 2006 11:39:19 PM |
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Monday Ill see how much aluminum is left.
20,000 tons at 17 cents might be up to 20 cents after I got a megaload.
usa neads aluninum bad.
it wount hurt anyone and in fact te seller neads the deal and kids
there will eat better and you get to spend you money and that will feed
moe people here and boath sides benifit fom your trades.
You double check anything I say with the import export bank of the
united states .
They will help you evry way the can.
You will conferm the price with the buyer and seller and confirm
shipping and terrif and your taxes and insurance then give all your
information to the import bank for secureing .
The bank in washington will help and advise you.
Its the best thing and the oldest method .
That should make you $ 40 million richer next week.
I donate 1/2 my income to the neady by law thats the limit but handing
out trades dont vilolate the law.
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