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01 Nov 2006 02:12:20 PM |
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Shocking water creates excess energy |
One of the science channels in its program 'weird science'
mentioned experiments where passing 12kv into a thimble full of water
turned it into superheated steam which blew holes in aluminum plates
and released far more energy than was input . So the water molecules
must have some kind of energy stored in them.
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| User: "hi@anony habshi" |
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| Title: Re: Shocking water creates excess energy |
14 Nov 2006 05:21:05 PM |
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The program showed the guy putting a small about 5cc of water
into a sealed container with metal plate on top. When 12kv (?kw) of
power was passed through it , the steam exploded and punched a hole in
the plate , and indications are that the energy required for that is
more than 12kw.
Not making any of it up, Its a nasa scientist doing the
research.
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| User: "hi@anony habshi" |
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| Title: Re: Shocking water creates excess energy |
15 Nov 2006 07:34:51 PM |
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The question is was excess energy created in these steam
explosions or not . The nasa scientist seems to think its many times.
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| User: "Eeyore" |
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| Title: Re: Shocking water creates excess energy |
15 Nov 2006 09:29:59 PM |
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habshi wrote:
The question is was excess energy created in these steam
explosions or not . The nasa scientist seems to think its many times.
He's not much of a scientist then.
Graham
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Shocking water creates excess energy |
14 Nov 2006 06:45:03 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
The program showed the guy putting a small about 5cc of water
into a sealed container with metal plate on top. When 12kv (?kw) of
power was passed through it , the steam exploded and punched a hole in
the plate , and indications are that the energy required for that is
more than 12kw.
Not making any of it up, Its a nasa scientist doing the
research.
Neither (sic) 12kv nor (sic) 12kw are energy.
A cherry bomb will ripe apart a steel 55 gallon drum if you rig things
right.
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Jim Pennino
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| User: "Gordon" |
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14 Nov 2006 07:44:43 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:45:03 GMT,
wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
The program showed the guy putting a small about 5cc of water
into a sealed container with metal plate on top. When 12kv (?kw) of
power was passed through it , the steam exploded and punched a hole in
the plate , and indications are that the energy required for that is
more than 12kw.
Not making any of it up, Its a nasa scientist doing the
research.
Neither (sic) 12kv nor (sic) 12kw are energy.
A cherry bomb will ripe apart a steel 55 gallon drum if you rig things
right.
I've seen this demonstrated. A water well driller that lived near
where I grew up used this technique to re-shape some large steel
petroleum storage tanks that had been crushed in a tornado. He
put a small amount of gasoline in these tanks, then dragged a
long rope with a burning portion on the far end, by the opening
to the tank. This would explode the gasoline vapors and swell the
tank back to something near its original shape. Sometimes there
was a ruptured weld or two, but that was easy to fix. The point
is he got these large storage tanks free, plus the hauling and
they made very good water storage tanks for his water well
drilling service. These weren't 55 gallon drums, they were about
2000 gallon gasoline storage tanks used by some service stations
as above-ground fuel storage tanks.
Gordon
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: Shocking water creates excess energy |
14 Nov 2006 05:39:35 PM |
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On 2006-11-14 23:21:05 +0000, hi@anony (habshi) said:
The program showed the guy putting a small about 5cc of water
into a sealed container with metal plate on top. When 12kv (?kw) of
power was passed through it , the steam exploded and punched a hole in
the plate , and indications are that the energy required for that is
more than 12kw.
Not making any of it up, Its a nasa scientist doing the
research.
So of course you'll be more then happy for posting your sources of
this. Or are you still pulling facts out of the aether?
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The biggest enemy of science is pseudo science. Oh, and Jeff Relf too...
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| User: "Bert Hickman" |
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14 Nov 2006 07:09:46 PM |
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habshi wrote:
The program showed the guy putting a small about 5cc of water
into a sealed container with metal plate on top. When 12kv (?kw) of
power was passed through it , the steam exploded and punched a hole in
the plate , and indications are that the energy required for that is
more than 12kw.
Not making any of it up, Its a nasa scientist doing the
research.
There's nothing "magical" about the water - just electrostatics and
dielectrics at work. It's the result of corona charging of the exterior
of the bottle via HV that leaves "stranded" regions of charge on the
exterior surface of the PET bottle that decay only very slowly. The
result is an electrophorus that electrostatically charges the water (via
induction) when the water is poured out of the bottle. The result is
"shocking water".
Bert
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| User: "Bert Hickman" |
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14 Nov 2006 11:54:54 PM |
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Bert Hickman wrote:
habshi wrote:
The program showed the guy putting a small about 5cc of water
into a sealed container with metal plate on top. When 12kv (?kw) of
power was passed through it , the steam exploded and punched a hole in
the plate , and indications are that the energy required for that is
more than 12kw.
Not making any of it up, Its a nasa scientist doing the
research.
There's nothing "magical" about the water - just electrostatics and
dielectrics at work. It's the result of corona charging of the exterior
of the bottle via HV that leaves "stranded" regions of charge on the
exterior surface of the PET bottle that decay only very slowly. The
result is an electrophorus that electrostatically charges the water (via
induction) when the water is poured out of the bottle. The result is
"shocking water".
Bert
Oops - wrong demo... sorry!
Metal can be reshaped by creating an underwater shock wave using
explosives of an underwater spark. The former is explosive forming (more
powerful) and the latter is electrohydrodynamic forming.
However in above water explosion experiment (performed by Neal and Peter
Graneau), a high voltage capacitor bank was discharged within a small
quantity of water (3.8 grams) contained within a thick steel tube. The
resulting blast of water punched a 13mm hole though a 6.4 mm aluminum
plate after traveling 10cm in air. Impact velocity was estimated to be
about 1000 m/sec. Pressures greater than 50,000 atmospheres can be
generated using an underwater spark discharge. Some References:
"Electric arc explosions: A thermal paradox", Leon Dragone, J. Appl.
Phys. 62, 3477 (1987) and "The Anomalous Strength of Cold Fog Explosions
Caused by Water Arcs", N. Graneau, Pulsed Power '98 (Digest No. 1998/258
and 1998/441), IEE Symposium on 1-2 Apr 1998 Page(s):40/1 - 40/3. The
above experiment is decribed in "Heavy Water Arc Gun for Impact Fusion",
Peter Graneau, Gallilean Electrodynamics, July/Aug 1992, pp 63-65.
Bert
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| User: "Eeyore" |
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| Title: Re: Shocking water creates excess energy |
14 Nov 2006 07:12:36 PM |
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habshi wrote:
The program showed the guy putting a small about 5cc of water
into a sealed container with metal plate on top. When 12kv (?kw) of
power was passed through it , the steam exploded and punched a hole in
the plate , and indications are that the energy required for that is
more than 12kw.
Not making any of it up, Its a nasa scientist doing the
research.
Ahhh...... sealed container. That explains it. It was a steam explosion.
Graham
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| User: "" |
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01 Nov 2006 02:45:04 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
One of the science channels in its program 'weird science'
mentioned experiments where passing 12kv into a thimble full of water
turned it into superheated steam which blew holes in aluminum plates
and released far more energy than was input . So the water molecules
must have some kind of energy stored in them.
Babbling idiot.
If you get more energy out then you put in, you have a nuclear
reaction.
If passing 12 KV through water caused a nuclear reaction, the world
would be torn apart by the first lightning storm.
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Jim Pennino
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| User: "Pluto" |
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01 Nov 2006 08:18:03 PM |
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He never used the word "Nuclear" in his post.
<jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message news:didn14-lvo.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
One of the science channels in its program 'weird science'
mentioned experiments where passing 12kv into a thimble full of water
turned it into superheated steam which blew holes in aluminum plates
and released far more energy than was input . So the water molecules
must have some kind of energy stored in them.
Babbling idiot.
If you get more energy out then you put in, you have a nuclear
reaction.
If passing 12 KV through water caused a nuclear reaction, the world
would be torn apart by the first lightning storm.
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Jim Pennino
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| User: "" |
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01 Nov 2006 09:55:03 PM |
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In sci.physics Pluto <pluto7@silver.com> wrote:
He never used the word "Nuclear" in his post.
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In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
One of the science channels in its program 'weird science'
mentioned experiments where passing 12kv into a thimble full of water
turned it into superheated steam which blew holes in aluminum plates
and released far more energy than was input . So the water molecules
must have some kind of energy stored in them.
Babbling idiot.
If you get more energy out then you put in, you have a nuclear
reaction.
If passing 12 KV through water caused a nuclear reaction, the world
would be torn apart by the first lightning storm.
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Jim Pennino
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Yeah, so?
What other process could put out more energy than you put into water?
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| User: "Eeyore" |
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01 Nov 2006 10:21:03 PM |
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What other process could put out more energy than you put into water?
Cold fusion ? ;~)
Graham
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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01 Nov 2006 06:43:57 PM |
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habshi wrote:
One of the science channels in its program 'weird science'
mentioned experiments where passing 12kv into a thimble full of water
turned it into superheated steam which blew holes in aluminum plates
and released far more energy than was input . So the water molecules
must have some kind of energy stored in them.
Idiot. Put 12 KV up your ***** and watch what happens to your head
(presuambly in a mirror). Hey stooopid, what was the amperage?
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http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz3.pdf
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| User: "Hexenmeister" |
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01 Nov 2006 08:40:30 PM |
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| User: "Dan Bloomquist" |
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01 Nov 2006 08:48:34 PM |
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Hexenmeister wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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You meant hashbrain's, right?
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| User: "RP" |
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01 Nov 2006 08:50:01 PM |
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habshi wrote:
One of the science channels in its program 'weird science'
mentioned experiments where passing 12kv into a thimble full of water
turned it into superheated steam which blew holes in aluminum plates
and released far more energy than was input . So the water molecules
must have some kind of energy stored in them.
From a chemical standpoint, energy can be generated by this process
when the water and/or its components chemically react with the
surrounding material. I'm not even a chemist, but it seemed like a
rather obvious conclusion.
Richard Perry
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| User: "Bob Eld" |
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03 Nov 2006 06:03:03 PM |
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"RP" <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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habshi wrote:
One of the science channels in its program 'weird science'
mentioned experiments where passing 12kv into a thimble full of water
turned it into superheated steam which blew holes in aluminum plates
and released far more energy than was input . So the water molecules
must have some kind of energy stored in them.
From a chemical standpoint, energy can be generated by this process
when the water and/or its components chemically react with the
surrounding material. I'm not even a chemist, but it seemed like a
rather obvious conclusion.
Richard Perry
There's even a more obvious conclusion...That Habshi and/or the program he
saw is as full of ***** as a Christmas goose! Maybe it's a job for Myth
Busters?
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01 Nov 2006 09:55:04 PM |
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In sci.physics RP <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com> wrote:
habshi wrote:
One of the science channels in its program 'weird science'
mentioned experiments where passing 12kv into a thimble full of water
turned it into superheated steam which blew holes in aluminum plates
and released far more energy than was input . So the water molecules
must have some kind of energy stored in them.
From a chemical standpoint, energy can be generated by this process
when the water and/or its components chemically react with the
surrounding material. I'm not even a chemist, but it seemed like a
rather obvious conclusion.
Richard Perry
Yep, water, especially hot water, will react with aluminum, but it
doesn't matter if you heat the water with a tea kettle or 12 KV of
electricity, so the subject line is nonsense.
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| User: "Eeyore" |
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01 Nov 2006 10:20:07 PM |
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RP wrote:
habshi wrote:
One of the science channels in its program 'weird science'
mentioned experiments where passing 12kv into a thimble full of water
turned it into superheated steam which blew holes in aluminum plates
and released far more energy than was input . So the water molecules
must have some kind of energy stored in them.
From a chemical standpoint, energy can be generated by this process
when the water and/or its components chemically react with the
surrounding material. I'm not even a chemist, but it seemed like a
rather obvious conclusion.
Did it now !
Graham
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