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27 Jul 2005 11:09:18 AM |
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Shuttle fucked up again |
Nasa fucked up again.
The shttle will blow up again.
It's too fucked to fix.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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27 Jul 2005 03:24:40 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Nothing interesting
Illiterate idiot.
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| User: "John Schutkeker" |
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30 Jul 2005 04:18:00 PM |
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(tj Frazir) wrote in news:11178-42E7B1AE-40
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Nasa fucked up again.
The shttle will blow up again.
It's too fucked to fix.
Hopefully you'll blow up first.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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31 Jul 2005 10:17:58 AM |
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1 % of gop . 16 billion bucks.
200 billion spent.
Thats a chunk of change with nothing to show for other than a grave
yard.
Where does nasa blow 16 billion a year at ?
Well a $ 10 hammer cost $ 1000.
The idiot that sold the $ 1000 hammer donated $ 100 to the senate that
voted for it.
The senate used the money to get elected.
Thats money laundering .
At the same time they dont fix anything and keep running the same old
junk like a comunist factory .
No factory could operate like nasa.
YOU might think nasa is brilliant but I think thier krooks .
nasa image controle is patriotic brainwashing.
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| User: "Bili Rubin" |
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31 Jul 2005 10:48:54 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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1 % of gop . 16 billion bucks.
200 billion spent.
Thats a chunk of change with nothing to show for other than a grave
yard.
Where does nasa blow 16 billion a year at ?
Well a $ 10 hammer cost $ 1000.
The idiot that sold the $ 1000 hammer donated $ 100 to the senate that
voted for it.
The senate used the money to get elected.
Thats money laundering .
At the same time they dont fix anything and keep running the same old
junk like a comunist factory .
No factory could operate like nasa.
YOU might think nasa is brilliant but I think thier krooks .
nasa image controle is patriotic brainwashing.
FUCKING NUTCASE
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| User: "John Schutkeker" |
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31 Jul 2005 02:09:12 PM |
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"Bili Rubin" <address@provider.com> wrote in news:Rq6He.350$z91.32953
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:8099-42ECEBA6-710@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net...
1 % of gop . 16 billion bucks.
200 billion spent.
Thats a chunk of change with nothing to show for other than a grave
yard.
Where does nasa blow 16 billion a year at ?
Well a $ 10 hammer cost $ 1000.
The idiot that sold the $ 1000 hammer donated $ 100 to the senate that
voted for it.
The senate used the money to get elected.
Thats money laundering .
At the same time they dont fix anything and keep running the same old
junk like a comunist factory .
No factory could operate like nasa.
YOU might think nasa is brilliant but I think thier krooks .
nasa image controle is patriotic brainwashing.
FUCKING NUTCASE
Ditto.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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31 Jul 2005 05:38:20 PM |
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$ 1000 bucks for a $ 10 hammer is fuckng nutz.
The senate money laundering money thew nasa is nutz.
The poeple putting up with it is nutz.
Your fucking nutz
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| User: "T Wake" |
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31 Jul 2005 05:54:12 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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boring crap.
Fool.
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| User: "John Schutkeker" |
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31 Jul 2005 05:51:21 PM |
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(tj Frazir) wrote in news:19195-42ED52DC-194
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$ 1000 bucks for a $ 10 hammer is fuckng nutz.
That wasn't NASA, it was the Pentagon.
The senate money laundering money thew nasa is nutz.
They're not laundering money. You're paranoid.
The poeple putting up with it is nutz.
I agree that NASA is inefficient, but they're better than the alternative.
Your fucking nutz
You need a psychiatrist.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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31 Jul 2005 10:04:21 PM |
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nasa and the pointadexters do it.
Its still money laundering.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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31 Jul 2005 02:50:54 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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gibberish
You retard.
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| User: "CWatters" |
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28 Jul 2005 06:06:59 AM |
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If there was a slight risk of a burn up due to damage the crew will get to
stay in the ISS..
However... Anyone know if the shuttle can fly itself home on autopilot or
by remote? I mean it would be a shame to ditch a shuttle "just in case".
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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28 Jul 2005 01:31:04 PM |
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CWaters Best to bring the people home by paying the Russians. Best to
let Discovery stay in orbit or attached to the ISS. Reentry is the rub
Bert
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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28 Jul 2005 08:44:48 PM |
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CWatters wrote:
If there was a slight risk of a burn up due to damage the crew will get to
stay in the ISS..
However... Anyone know if the shuttle can fly itself home on autopilot or
by remote? I mean it would be a shame to ditch a shuttle "just in case".
Yes, the shuttle is capable of doing an entire deorbit/landing on
its own.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "CWatters" |
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29 Jul 2005 02:41:34 AM |
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"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Yes, the shuttle is capable of doing an entire deorbit/landing on
its own.
-Mark Martin
Thanks.
Colin
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| User: "Richard Henry" |
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29 Jul 2005 09:52:14 AM |
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"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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CWatters wrote:
If there was a slight risk of a burn up due to damage the crew will get
to
stay in the ISS..
However... Anyone know if the shuttle can fly itself home on autopilot
or
by remote? I mean it would be a shame to ditch a shuttle "just in case".
Yes, the shuttle is capable of doing an entire deorbit/landing on
its own.
Well, yes, for a sufficiently liberal definition of "landing".
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Shuttle fucked up again money launder by congress |
29 Jul 2005 10:56:58 AM |
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Like the time Nasa went to the moon and walked in white stuff ???
They thought it was basalt cacium and brought some back.
Its a titanium ore iron oxide moon and it is dark blue. It has an argon
atm .
That nasa your talking about ?? used side thrusters wile landing ???
Nasa waisted 200 billion CONGESS waisted 200 billion and use nasa for
money laundering.
DID you know theres a war on drugs ???
30 million pounds of pot.
15000 tons .
ONLY THE CIA CAN IMPORT 15000 tons .
What part of MOB mantality dont you understand here ???????
all any GOV offical has to do to exclude you from the workplace is
fake your failed drug screen .
Pots just worth more this way .
AT the same time gas is 30 % tax ,,,the gov is making money on your
dinner plate.
They raise property values so no one votes on a city property tax raise.
Now they will take your house IF a developer can stuff a stack of 20s
in the pockets of burocrats.
What part of USA dose that flag stand for ??
AMERRIKKA dont know what freedom is .
FASCISEM is not freedom.
fascis usa is all about making me richerand you poorer.
WHY CHARGE A FUCKING DIME FOR COLAGE ?????????
to exclude the poor and insure that cheep labors are plenty .
USA is soo fucked up it sucks.
The media is noting more than mind controle for the GOV.
The media is distorying america.
brainwashing the kids and bombarting the population into fear of dark
places having branwashed the kids.
USA is the land for a few.
Controle evry acre so you dont have one.
controle evry acre to keep you out.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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29 Jul 2005 11:26:43 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28806-42EA51CA-465@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net...
repeated gibberish
Why did you feel the need to say the same thing twice you retarded fool.
I notice you still haven't lived up to any of your promises or threats.
I have not been fired.
I have not been beaten up
You haven't given anyone $2million
You haven't given anyone a GT40
You are so full of crap I bet your eyes are brown.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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29 Jul 2005 11:52:10 AM |
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Richard Henry wrote:
"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122601487.977239.29170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
CWatters wrote:
If there was a slight risk of a burn up due to damage the crew will get
to
stay in the ISS..
However... Anyone know if the shuttle can fly itself home on autopilot
or
by remote? I mean it would be a shame to ditch a shuttle "just in case".
Yes, the shuttle is capable of doing an entire deorbit/landing on
its own.
Well, yes, for a sufficiently liberal definition of "landing".
The space shuttle already does fly all the way to landing with
nearly zero manual input from the pilot. Just about the only thing the
pilot actually does in practice is to apply (extra) pressure to the
wheel brakes, and that's only to give the pilots something to do. All
that simulator training they do is just to keep them primed for
emergencies.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Richard Henry" |
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29 Jul 2005 01:05:02 PM |
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"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122655930.087482.186950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Richard Henry wrote:
"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122601487.977239.29170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
CWatters wrote:
If there was a slight risk of a burn up due to damage the crew will
get
to
stay in the ISS..
However... Anyone know if the shuttle can fly itself home on
autopilot
or
by remote? I mean it would be a shame to ditch a shuttle "just in
case".
Yes, the shuttle is capable of doing an entire deorbit/landing on
its own.
Well, yes, for a sufficiently liberal definition of "landing".
The space shuttle already does fly all the way to landing with
nearly zero manual input from the pilot. Just about the only thing the
pilot actually does in practice is to apply (extra) pressure to the
wheel brakes, and that's only to give the pilots something to do. All
that simulator training they do is just to keep them primed for
emergencies.
I googled several sites, which all agree that the pilot takes over about 40
km out from touchdown, about the time the speed is down to Mach 1.
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| User: "TomGee" |
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29 Jul 2005 06:08:26 AM |
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So, Mark, now that the statements from NASA that they were wrong to
launch are public, don't you owe an apology to tj? Or at least to
those who may have listened to you and were convinced by your words to
the effect that NASA can do no wrong? Weren't you a fool to attack
those who, like tj and me, believe the lives of our astronauts deserve
top priority over schedules? Didn't your attack on tj show that you
have absolutely no more care for people's lives than any ordinary
self-named "compassionate conservative"?
I think your unwarranted attack should lead you to realize that your
Sunday church trips ain't working for you.
I was greatly pleased and relieved to see NASA's admission of wrongness
because it gives me renewed hope that the agency is capable of true
reform. Will wonders never cease!
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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29 Jul 2005 10:29:24 AM |
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Nasa sent civilians up and they died.
That teatcher did not know nasa was a arogant incompetent clusterfuck.
She went with the Nasa persona like you.
Fucking things fell off the fucking thing wile it sat on the pad.
I would have scrapped Nasa on the spot.
16 FUCKING BILLION BUCKS A YEAR IS 1 % of the gop....god fucking damb
dude.
DONT YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO WITH 16 fucking billion a year ??
claw hammer cost $ 1000 fucking bucks.
the contractors got mone out the ***** from congress so the contractors
will donate to thier campaines.
NASA IS NOTHING BUT A MONET GAME FOR THE GOV .
They stole evrything they use.
Not even the tiles did nasa invent.
Its a big pice of *****.
Why dont you fly it ???
YOU know fucking well they are doomed.
You dont understand what 16 billion a year is.
NASA should end poverty in USA by ending its self.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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29 Jul 2005 11:25:10 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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nothing
You are repeating yourself now you boring idiot.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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29 Jul 2005 08:17:44 AM |
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TomGee wrote:
So, Mark, now that the statements from NASA that they were wrong to
launch are public, don't you owe an apology to tj? Or at least to
those who may have listened to you and were convinced by your words to
the effect that NASA can do no wrong? Weren't you a fool to attack
those who, like tj and me, believe the lives of our astronauts deserve
top priority over schedules? Didn't your attack on tj show that you
have absolutely no more care for people's lives than any ordinary
self-named "compassionate conservative"?
I think your unwarranted attack should lead you to realize that your
Sunday church trips ain't working for you.
What church trips? I haven't been to church in 30 years.
My above statement to Frazir has nothing to do with NASA and its
well documented lack of anything resembling good management. My
statement was not a vote of confidence for NASA. I have no confidence
in NASA. What I also have none of is patience with Frazir, who for
YEARS has shown an absolute lack of both real knowledge and anything
resembling care & compassion for people. Just the other day he posted
on this board a wish for the death of Mr. Wake. Frazir WANTS the
shuttle orbiter to fail. He WANTS the crew to die. He WANTS to be able
to ramble on thereafter that he told us all so. Frazir a PERVERT.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "TomGee" |
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31 Jul 2005 07:20:42 AM |
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Okay, Mark, but don't think you're telling us something we don't
already know. My point was not about how perverted the man is, but how
badly you let him get to you with his tactics. He's got you reacting
to his personality so that in your attack against him you seem to love
NASA all the more, and that can't be good, I felt.
His point is one side of an argument with which both you and I agree.
The argument is so important that we must not let personal feelings
interfere with our complaints. The mismanagement in NASA is much more
important to us than getting back at tj, esp. when we make it look as
if it is okay for NASA to continue on with its gross non-reform.
We can load up our space history with much loss of life, or move with
measured steps to better guarantee success. Tj's complaint is no less
valid just because just because it comes from him, it just makes it
easier for others to argue against it because of who he is. He is no
innocent in this struggle. Remember that politics makes strange
bedfellows, always.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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27 Jul 2005 11:27:03 AM |
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tj Frazir wrote:
Nasa fucked up again.
The shttle will blow up again.
It's too fucked to fix.
Even given the poor statistical record of the shuttle system, it
still brings 'em back alive far more often than not. In other words,
the current crew are probably going to be giving live interviews in
Houston a few days from now.
You of course are waiting with dripping saliva for them to die
horribly, just so you can gloat and say that you told us all. You're
quite the pervert. Perhaps I ought to start calling you "Perv".
-Mark Martin
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| User: "TomGee" |
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28 Jul 2005 01:17:25 AM |
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Mark, I can appreciate your comments about the reasons why tj's so
upset. You have eloquently responded to what you perceive is the
motive of tj's complaints.
But that is only one possible ulterior motive and not necessarily the
most correct one. Nothing in tj's message merits your shooting the
messenger to the extent you have wounded him. See where others have
posted less serious contentions about his motives, which can be
described as "doomsayer", or "alarmist".
I think you have attacked tj unfairly, as he may feel the same way I
feel about this turn of events. NASA was thoroughly shaken up (at
least in the press) after the horrible killing of so many brave
astronauts, and the reason given for that was to change the pressures
of lift-off priorities. The whole speech was about NASA putting
lift-off schedules ahead of the safety of the crews, and much ado was
made about changing that to safety above all other priorities.
tj is simply pointing out that was just hogwash and nothing has really
changed, it is still schedules over safety no matter what. We all hope
for the safe return of the brave people aboard, but we fear that the
reasons used to allow lift-off in spite of the problems which the
safety systems identified still show that the goal of "safety first"
failed.
The problem of the lost spaceship was identified as being problems
which were fixed for subsequent flights, but when new problems arose
and could not be resolved, the flight went off anyway with a hope and a
prayer in the same-o same-o NASA tradition of meeting lift-off windows.
That is the basis of my complaint and I assume that is the same for tj
Frazir.
I was a propeller repairman in the military, but even as a lowly
propman I had the power to ground aircraft with a red X on the status
of a problem identified by the pilot of the ship as one needing to be
looked at to ensure the safety of the crew and passengers on
subsequent flights. I took my responsiblity very seriously and refused
to allow flights when I was unable to fix a problem, even when the
pilots themselves begged me to let them go when they felt the problem
was too little to worry about. I did not wish to be responsible for
the lives of the soldiers aboard a ship I was not sure could make the
long flight from the far East to California.
Some problems had backup systems which would help if the problems got
worse, and so some pilots were able to argue against my red X and they
were allowed to fly. That was fine with me so long as I could not be
held responsible for all those lives if they didn't make it home.
None of my cleared Xs failed to make it home, and I knew I was right in
fighting for those who could not argue with the pilot's confidence born
of much experience with the great airplanes of that time. They had no
say in the matter, and I was the only chance for them to get home -
late, but better late than never. The astronauts trust the rocket
scientists even though that trust has been misplaced at times resulting
in "accidents" which could have been avoided if someone had not cleared
a big red X without first fixing the problem.
So I know what tj's talking about, and I feel the same anguish for what
I see is happening all over again, just so that NASA can meet schedules
and "windows". Like tj, I think the reform claimed for NASA is a big
lie because the systems identified a problem and NASA could not find
the source of it and decided to go anyway since it "probably" will not
happen again.
It was not a fuel gauge to determine the level of fuel, but a critical
gauge which must work properly at the time required. Why was it not
replaced? Takes too much time or too expensive to do that? What the
hell, there's priorities involved here, and we don' need no stinking
gas gauge fouling up our schedules! Probably nothing anyway.
Yep, same-o same-o NASA.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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28 Jul 2005 10:49:07 AM |
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See the steem of the condenced air when fueling ? NONE of that steam
should be there .
Filling with an uninsulated tube the lines are so cold they ice up.
That ice falls off evry time.
This time it knocked a pice off the booster as big as a car door.
To keep doing it that way is retarted.
Nasa gets more money because the contactors split billions and donate
to the congress members . Its a money circle .
marshal law is where we will be after bush gets 5 million people killed
with nuke or with VLCC burnt on a smog alert day.
within the next 2 years but near elections.
Stalin will be repeted and USA is the only place set up for it.
Aruba is a drug store from hell and kids shoul not be aloud to go there
and have a drug fest.
date rape drug was OD and she was too high allready .
BUT arba and the fucked up media act like they dont know what the fucks
going on.
A mob faimy run aruba is whats going on.
Out at see if some idiot raped anyone on my ship they are shark food.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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28 Jul 2005 11:16:21 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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illiterate gibberish
Have you ever thought of getting medical help for your problems?
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| User: "CWatters" |
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28 Jul 2005 04:41:52 PM |
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To keep doing it that way is retarted.
Retarted? Sounds like fun.
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| User: "Evgenij Barsukov" |
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28 Jul 2005 09:00:45 AM |
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TomGee wrote:
I was a propeller repairman in the military, but even as a lowly
propman I had the power to ground aircraft with a red X on the status
of a problem identified by the pilot of the ship as one needing to be
looked at to ensure the safety of the crew and passengers on
subsequent flights. I took my responsiblity very seriously and refused
to allow flights when I was unable to fix a problem, even when the
pilots themselves begged me to let them go when they felt the problem
was too little to worry about. I did not wish to be responsible for
the lives of the soldiers aboard a ship I was not sure could make the
long flight from the far East to California.
Shuttle problems are much more fundamental than just "fixing one red X".
The concept of thermal insulation with tiles have proven again and again
unsafe - they keep falling off with and without obvious reasons.
When russian Buran made its first flight, russians have seen 4
tiles break off (it did not cause any damage as such). And yet this alone
have caused grounding the Buran project forever - because of
unpredictability of such events. It took one flight to "get it".
Another big cause of trouble is the fuel tank that is not
aerodynamically smoothly connected to everything else. Just the way how
intuitively ugly the combo looks already says that it is unsafe. In
aviation the old good principle "beautiful airplane does beautiful
flying" keep holding until now, but somehow NASA decided they know better.
Look at the SpaceShipOne and White Knight combo - it looks like a
dolly and I bet it is safe enough (not to mention it costs only 100k to
build).
Basically if decision would be up to me, I would ground Shuttle program
for good right now. Enough is enough. I would consider the whole thing
as an experiment with a negative outcome. Negative outcome can be a
"positive result" in research and finding it might be worth the money,
but only if you learn from it.
Regards,
Evgenij
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