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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "greysky"
Date: 06 Feb 2008 06:13:26 AM
Object: Simple little proof showing why the field concept fails for gravity
Everyone does this simple little experiment during their childhood: they
sprinkle iron filings on a piece of paper held over a permanent magnet.
Shake the paper gently, and the iron filings fall into order, showing the
neat lines of the magnetic field. Now, do this same experiment but replace
the magnet with a lead weight. Shake gently. The iron filings dont do
anything. They show no order. OK, maybe the lead weight isn't 'heavy'
enough. Use the entire earth instead. place your paper parallel to the
ground and repeat. Still nothing. OK, maybe the earth isn't heavy enough. Go
to the freindly neighborhood physics store down the block and purchase a
black hole to repeat the experiment with. Still nothing, except now the iron
filings get eaten by the hole, as well as your paper and the earth itself.
But, still no joy. One cannot say the iron filings were not acted upon by
the gravity of said massive objects. They felt the gravity 'force' just as
they felt the magnetic force, only there are no field lines. No field lines
means no field. There is no such thing as a gravity field. What causes
gravity cannot be attributed to a force field because gravity is a psuedo
force that does not fit into the field concept. It is ironic that current
research is unable to create an effective theory of quantum gravity -
gravity *is* a quantum phenomena that arises naturally from quantum theory
once you eliminate the concept that it is propagated by a field. It is the
field concept that is incompatable with quantum theory, nothing else.
Greysky
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User: "Eric Gisse"

Title: Re: Simple little proof showing why the field concept fails forgravity 06 Feb 2008 09:22:21 AM
On Feb 5, 9:13 pm, "greysky" <grey...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Everyone does this simple little experiment during their childhood: they
sprinkle iron filings on a piece of paper held over a permanent magnet.
Shake the paper gently, and the iron filings fall into order, showing the
neat lines of the magnetic field. Now, do this same experiment but replace
the magnet with a lead weight. Shake gently. The iron filings dont do
anything. They show no order. OK, maybe the lead weight isn't 'heavy'
enough. Use the entire earth instead. place your paper parallel to the
ground and repeat. Still nothing. OK, maybe the earth isn't heavy enough. Go
to the freindly neighborhood physics store down the block and purchase a
black hole to repeat the experiment with. Still nothing, except now the iron
filings get eaten by the hole, as well as your paper and the earth itself.
But, still no joy. One cannot say the iron filings were not acted upon by
the gravity of said massive objects. They felt the gravity 'force' just as
they felt the magnetic force, only there are no field lines. No field lines
means no field. There is no such thing as a gravity field. What causes
gravity cannot be attributed to a force field because gravity is a psuedo
force that does not fit into the field concept. It is ironic that current
research is unable to create an effective theory of quantum gravity -
gravity *is* a quantum phenomena that arises naturally from quantum theory
once you eliminate the concept that it is propagated by a field. It is the
field concept that is incompatable with quantum theory, nothing else.

This is the stupidest argument against field theories I have EVER
SEEN.


Greysky

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Learn how to build a FTL radio.

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User: "Helmut Wabnig hwabnig@ .- --- -. DOT .- t"

Title: Re: Simple little proof showing why the field concept fails for gravity 06 Feb 2008 08:53:33 AM
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:13:26 -0800, "greysky" <greysky@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

Everyone does this simple little experiment during their childhood: they
sprinkle iron filings on a piece of paper held over a permanent magnet.
Shake the paper gently, and the iron filings fall into order, showing the
neat lines of the magnetic field. Now, do this same experiment but replace
the magnet with a lead weight. Shake gently. The iron filings dont do
anything. They show no order. OK, maybe the lead weight isn't 'heavy'
enough. Use the entire earth instead. place your paper parallel to the
ground and repeat. Still nothing. OK, maybe the earth isn't heavy enough. Go
to the freindly neighborhood physics store down the block and purchase a
black hole to repeat the experiment with. Still nothing, except now the iron
filings get eaten by the hole, as well as your paper and the earth itself.
But, still no joy. One cannot say the iron filings were not acted upon by
the gravity of said massive objects. They felt the gravity 'force' just as
they felt the magnetic force, only there are no field lines. No field lines
means no field. There is no such thing as a gravity field. What causes
gravity cannot be attributed to a force field because gravity is a psuedo
force that does not fit into the field concept. It is ironic that current
research is unable to create an effective theory of quantum gravity -
gravity *is* a quantum phenomena that arises naturally from quantum theory
once you eliminate the concept that it is propagated by a field. It is the
field concept that is incompatable with quantum theory, nothing else.

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.

Iron (or bettter: non-iron) filings in a gravitational field
will attempt to build up Saturn- like rings or asteroid rings
if left alone...or something of that kind.
Sitting on a "paper" they will contract on a point nearest
to the attractor.
You are right insofar, as they do not give a picture of
the "field lines"
Try iron-filings in a viscous liquid.
w.
.

User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: Simple little proof showing why the field concept fails for gravity 06 Feb 2008 06:27:44 AM
greysky wrote:

Everyone does this simple little experiment during their childhood: they
sprinkle iron filings on a piece of paper held over a permanent magnet.
Shake the paper gently, and the iron filings fall into order, showing the
neat lines of the magnetic field. Now, do this same experiment but replace
the magnet with a lead weight. Shake gently. The iron filings dont do
anything. They show no order. OK, maybe the lead weight isn't 'heavy'
enough. Use the entire earth instead. place your paper parallel to the
ground and repeat. Still nothing. OK, maybe the earth isn't heavy enough. Go
to the freindly neighborhood physics store down the block and purchase a
black hole to repeat the experiment with. Still nothing, except now the iron
filings get eaten by the hole, as well as your paper and the earth itself.
But, still no joy. One cannot say the iron filings were not acted upon by
the gravity of said massive objects. They felt the gravity 'force' just as
they felt the magnetic force, only there are no field lines. No field lines
means no field. There is no such thing as a gravity field. What causes
gravity cannot be attributed to a force field because gravity is a psuedo
force that does not fit into the field concept. It is ironic that current
research is unable to create an effective theory of quantum gravity -
gravity *is* a quantum phenomena that arises naturally from quantum theory
once you eliminate the concept that it is propagated by a field. It is the
field concept that is incompatable with quantum theory, nothing else.

Greysky

www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.


Gravitational field
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_field
The Einstein Field Equations
http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/NumRel/EinsteinEquations.html
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