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"Nicci" |
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31 Mar 2007 06:33:49 PM |
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Snake markings |
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
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| User: "Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Snake markings |
01 Apr 2007 02:27:23 AM |
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"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
There is a basic sine function sin(x) or sin(t) depending on whether it is
in space or time.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine_wave
It says:
"This wave pattern occurs often in nature, including ocean waves, sound
waves, and light waves."
In particular, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_surface_wave
Such waves can also be formed by dropping a pebble into a pond, or can be
seen in the ripples that appear when a duck paddles.
Nick
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Snake markings |
31 Mar 2007 09:46:12 PM |
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"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message =
news:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
=20
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
=20
Thanks :)
=20
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another=20
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
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| User: "Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Snake markings |
01 Apr 2007 02:05:54 AM |
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"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
news:U1FPh.14526$%g3.6689@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
Nick's reply:
Yes, maybe but I couldn't help noticing the statement which is I presume
from the latter website:
"Einstein's ridiculous assertion that "the velocity of light c cannot be
altered by composition with a velocity less than that of light" and his
crank theories are thus disproven by reality. Georges Sagnac devised his
interferometer and gave it to the world in 1913 while Einstein was
developing his general theory of crackpottery. Sagnac interferometers are
put into daily use in aircraft, no engineer has ever made or ever will make
any use of Einstein's drivel.
"To echo Newton's words said of Ptolemy, This is the story of a scientific
crime. I mean a crime committed by a scientist against fellow scientists and
scholars, a betrayal of the ethics and integrity of his profession that has
forever deprived mankind of fundamental information about an important area
of astronomy and history.
Einstein developed certain astronomical (and physical) theories and
discovered that they were not consistent with observation. Instead of
abandoning the theories, he deliberately fabricated observations from the
theories so that he could claim that the observations prove the validity of
his theories. In every scientific or scholarly setting known, this practice
is called fraud, and it is a crime against science and scholarship."
In http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/PoR/PoR.htm
you write the following:
"But real physicists retained the PoR, notably A A Michelson and G. Sagnac,
you whining lying toady, charlatan, philanderer and all round confidence
trickster, Einstein."
You are clearly a not very nice person.
Nick
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Snake markings |
01 Apr 2007 06:54:10 AM |
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"Nick" <tulse04-news1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message =
news:lpadncu3nLZFxJLbnZ2dneKdnZypnZ2d@bt.com...
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"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message=20
news:U1FPh.14526$%g3.6689@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message=20
news:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
=20
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
=20
Nick's reply:
=20
Yes, maybe but I couldn't help noticing the statement which is I =
presume=20
from the latter website:
=20
"Einstein's ridiculous assertion that "the velocity of light c cannot =
be=20
altered by composition with a velocity less than that of light" and =
his=20
crank theories are thus disproven by reality. Georges Sagnac devised =
his=20
interferometer and gave it to the world in 1913 while Einstein was=20
developing his general theory of crackpottery. Sagnac interferometers =
are=20
put into daily use in aircraft, no engineer has ever made or ever will =
make=20
any use of Einstein's drivel.
=20
"To echo Newton's words said of Ptolemy, This is the story of a =
scientific=20
crime. I mean a crime committed by a scientist against fellow =
scientists and=20
scholars, a betrayal of the ethics and integrity of his profession =
that has=20
forever deprived mankind of fundamental information about an important =
area=20
of astronomy and history.
Einstein developed certain astronomical (and physical) theories and=20
discovered that they were not consistent with observation. Instead of=20
abandoning the theories, he deliberately fabricated observations from =
the=20
theories so that he could claim that the observations prove the =
validity of=20
his theories. In every scientific or scholarly setting known, this =
practice=20
is called fraud, and it is a crime against science and scholarship."
=20
In http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/PoR/PoR.htm
=20
you write the following:
=20
"But real physicists retained the PoR, notably A A Michelson and G. =
Sagnac,=20
you whining lying toady, charlatan, philanderer and all round =
confidence=20
trickster, Einstein."
=20
You are clearly a not very nice person.
=20
Nick=20
Is the eagle nice to the rabbit? I don't pretend to be nice, child.=20
I'm honest, unlike some snakes in the grass around here.=20
In case you haven't noticed, this newsgroup is not sci.diplomacy.
If you want your medicine sugar-coated go and see Tony Blair,
he'll get you into a real war with a big toothy grin on his face and=20
shake your hand as he watches you die.
Now, since you've switched the discussion to me and off of math or
physics, *****.
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| User: "OwlHoot" |
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| Title: Re: Snake markings |
03 Apr 2007 10:04:02 AM |
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On Apr 1, 12:54 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk>
wrote:
situations, here's one:
Is the eagle nice to the rabbit? I don't pretend to be nice, child.
Eagle? Do us a favour - squawking, prattling booby more like.
Nicci, take no notice of Androcles. He's a cantankerous old coot,
and a well-known troll. What's more he probably wouldn't know
what a sine wave was if its snake owner slithered up and bit
him on the bum.
I'm honest, unlike some snakes in the grass around here.
Unlike most honest people round here, Androcles has a throng
of aliases, which I expect we'll get to meet soon if this
post riles him.
Cheers
John R Ramsden
P.S. He's probably jealous of your good looks, but then what
can you expect from someone who probably can't even afford
a decent set of false teeth.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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03 Apr 2007 12:35:08 PM |
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"OwlHoot" <ravensdean@googlemail.com> wrote in message =
news:1175612642.112822.79830@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 1, 12:54 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk>
wrote:
situations, here's one:
Is the eagle nice to the rabbit? I don't pretend to be nice, child.
=20
Eagle? Do us a favour - squawking, prattling booby more like.
I don't suffer fools gladly. *****, *****.
*plonk* (again)
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Snake markings |
01 Apr 2007 06:43:49 AM |
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"Nick" <tulse04-news1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message =
news:lpadncu3nLZFxJLbnZ2dneKdnZypnZ2d@bt.com...
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"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message=20
news:U1FPh.14526$%g3.6689@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message=20
news:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
=20
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
=20
Nick's reply:
=20
Yes, maybe but I couldn't help noticing the statement which is I =
presume=20
from the latter website:
=20
"Einstein's ridiculous assertion that "the velocity of light c cannot =
be=20
altered by composition with a velocity less than that of light" and =
his=20
crank theories are thus disproven by reality. Georges Sagnac devised =
his=20
interferometer and gave it to the world in 1913 while Einstein was=20
developing his general theory of crackpottery. Sagnac interferometers =
are=20
put into daily use in aircraft, no engineer has ever made or ever will =
make=20
any use of Einstein's drivel.
=20
"To echo Newton's words said of Ptolemy, This is the story of a =
scientific=20
crime. I mean a crime committed by a scientist against fellow =
scientists and=20
scholars, a betrayal of the ethics and integrity of his profession =
that has=20
forever deprived mankind of fundamental information about an important =
area=20
of astronomy and history.
Einstein developed certain astronomical (and physical) theories and=20
discovered that they were not consistent with observation. Instead of=20
abandoning the theories, he deliberately fabricated observations from =
the=20
theories so that he could claim that the observations prove the =
validity of=20
his theories. In every scientific or scholarly setting known, this =
practice=20
is called fraud, and it is a crime against science and scholarship."
=20
In http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/PoR/PoR.htm
=20
you write the following:
=20
"But real physicists retained the PoR, notably A A Michelson and G. =
Sagnac,=20
you whining lying toady, charlatan, philanderer and all round =
confidence=20
trickster, Einstein."
=20
You are clearly a not very nice person.
=20
Nick=20
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| User: "Nicci" |
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01 Apr 2007 07:56:14 AM |
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On 1 Apr, 03:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
Thanks,
Those are beautiful examples, I wasnt expecting that
at all !! I was reading up on some history from ice age
regards the development of shelters and houses and
was looking at the evolution of shelter (round houses
above pits with timber posts supporting the roof) and
then the ancient monuments onwards & bricks and stone
dwellings etc. These occuring quite frequently thoughout
the Western hemisphere from +8,000BC.
As its so close to Easter I thought I'd explore any purpose
or reason why many 'round houses' and early agricultural
plots tended to be more elliptical. It isn't difficult to
draw up a circle and Lunisolar monuments tended towards the
circular. I know this is more an astronomy question although
I'm puzzled if theres some mathematical discrepancies between
lunar and solar times that could be described as more oval
shape than in a square or as circles.
I'll read your articles over again, they've given me
much to think over and some ideas that I'd like to
look more deeply into,
Regards :)
n.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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01 Apr 2007 10:05:54 AM |
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"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message =
news:1175432174.462351.30060@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Apr, 03:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in =
messagenews:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
=20
Thanks,
=20
Those are beautiful examples, I wasnt expecting that
at all !! I was reading up on some history from ice age
regards the development of shelters and houses and
was looking at the evolution of shelter (round houses
above pits with timber posts supporting the roof) and
then the ancient monuments onwards & bricks and stone
dwellings etc. These occuring quite frequently thoughout
the Western hemisphere from +8,000BC.
And probably earlier, the records soon get lost.
Look at this beautiful clock and calendar:=20
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http://www.aleksandramir.info/projects/stonehenge2/Stonehenge%20II_sm.jpg=
What a great sundial and observatory. Imagine what it might have been
with a wood and thatched roof.=20
As its so close to Easter I thought I'd explore any purpose
or reason why many 'round houses' and early agricultural
plots tended to be more elliptical.=20
Alexander Thom.=20
http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/monoliths/thom.htm
It isn't difficult to
draw up a circle and Lunisolar monuments tended towards the
circular.=20
They are not "monuments" when they are built for a purpose.
They only become monuments with the passing of time and disuse.=20
I know this is more an astronomy question although
I'm puzzled if theres some mathematical discrepancies between
lunar and solar times that could be described as more oval
shape than in a square or as circles.
Man before the technology of electricity was developed was not=20
plagued by modern light pollution from street lights. He could
(and did) gaze upon the stars and wonder, night after night. Today
the average joe wouldn't know a planet from a star.
Time-keeping has always been a bit of a problem: When is it noon?
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Analemmae/Analemmae.htm
=20
I'll read your articles over again, they've given me
much to think over and some ideas that I'd like to
look more deeply into,
=20
Regards :)
=20
n.
You are welcome.=20
"I wish, my dear Kepler, that we could have a good laugh together at the =
extraordinary stupidity of the mob. What do you think of the foremost =
philosophers of this University? In spite of my oft-repeated efforts and =
invitations, they have refused, with the obstinacy of a glutted adder, =
to look at the planets or Moon or my telescope."
[Through which the satellites of Jupiter were visible -- seen first in =
January 1610]
Galileo Galilei - Opera.
A nice touch to your snakes thread. Galileo was not very nice, but then, =
he didn't need to be. He was RIGHT, and that's what really matters. :-)
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| User: "" |
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01 Apr 2007 05:57:41 AM |
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On 1 Apr, 04:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
I must admit Androcles i know nothing about sinewaves but if seen
travelling along the x-axis with the amplitude along the y-axis in a
Cartesian cordinate system do they have any extension into z-axis. Is
sinuswaves 3D or 2D, maybe my question do not even make any physical
sense.
I often wonder if things that look more or less random along a 2D
space can actually have a well defined shape and description/equation
in a 3D space, if right analogy for the shape is found.
Now i am out into the blue, but i like to think that the primes may
have a quite nice form and expression in another space then 2D.
JT
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| User: "Nicci" |
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| Title: Re: Snake markings |
01 Apr 2007 08:00:31 AM |
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On 1 Apr, 11:57, wrote:
On 1 Apr, 04:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
I must admit Androcles i know nothing about sinewaves but if seen
travelling along the x-axis with the amplitude along the y-axis in a
Cartesian cordinate system do they have any extension into z-axis. Is
sinuswaves 3D or 2D, maybe my question do not even make any physical
sense.
I often wonder if things that look more or less random along a 2D
space can actually have a well defined shape and description/equation
in a 3D space, if right analogy for the shape is found.
Now i am out into the blue, but i like to think that the primes may
have a quite nice form and expression in another space then 2D.
JT- Hide quoted text -
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1+1=3 ?
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Snake markings |
01 Apr 2007 10:16:57 AM |
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"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message =
news:1175432428.926092.156910@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Apr, 11:57, wrote:
On 1 Apr, 04:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in =
messagenews:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
I must admit Androcles i know nothing about sinewaves but if seen
travelling along the x-axis with the amplitude along the y-axis in a
Cartesian cordinate system do they have any extension into z-axis. Is
sinuswaves 3D or 2D, maybe my question do not even make any physical
sense.
It's simply a matter of drawing a circle of radius 1 and moving
around it, marking the height above the x-axis, which is then called
the sine of the angle.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.gif
The red/blue vertical line is the sine, the purple/gold horizontal
line is the cosine. As time passes (or the angle changes) so
the height changes.
I often wonder if things that look more or less random along a 2D
space can actually have a well defined shape and description/equation
in a 3D space, if right analogy for the shape is found.
Now i am out into the blue, but i like to think that the primes may
have a quite nice form and expression in another space then 2D.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
JT- Hide quoted text -
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=20
1+1=3D3 ?
Sure, if you know how.
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01 Apr 2007 01:39:29 PM |
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On 1 Apr, 16:16, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175432428.926092.156910@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Apr, 11:57, wrote:
On 1 Apr, 04:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
I must admit Androcles i know nothing about sinewaves but if seen
travelling along the x-axis with the amplitude along the y-axis in a
Cartesian cordinate system do they have any extension into z-axis. Is
sinuswaves 3D or 2D, maybe my question do not even make any physical
sense.
It's simply a matter of drawing a circle of radius 1 and moving
around it, marking the height above the x-axis, which is then called
the sine of the angle.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.gif
The red/blue vertical line is the sine, the purple/gold horizontal
line is the cosine. As time passes (or the angle changes) so
the height changes.
I often wonder if things that look more or less random along a 2D
space can actually have a well defined shape and description/equation
in a 3D space, if right analogy for the shape is found.
Now i am out into the blue, but i like to think that the primes may
have a quite nice form and expression in another space then 2D.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
JT- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
1+1=3 ?
Sure, if you know how.- Hide quoted text -
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April Fooling!
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01 Apr 2007 02:08:54 PM |
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"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message =
news:1175452769.589342.258310@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Apr, 16:16, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in =
messagenews:1175432428.926092.156910@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Apr, 11:57, wrote:
On 1 Apr, 04:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> =
wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in =
messagenews:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
I must admit Androcles i know nothing about sinewaves but if seen
travelling along the x-axis with the amplitude along the y-axis in =
a
Cartesian cordinate system do they have any extension into z-axis. =
Is
sinuswaves 3D or 2D, maybe my question do not even make any =
physical
sense.
It's simply a matter of drawing a circle of radius 1 and moving
around it, marking the height above the x-axis, which is then called
the sine of the angle.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.gif
The red/blue vertical line is the sine, the purple/gold horizontal
line is the cosine. As time passes (or the angle changes) so
the height changes.
I often wonder if things that look more or less random along a 2D
space can actually have a well defined shape and =
description/equation
in a 3D space, if right analogy for the shape is found.
Now i am out into the blue, but i like to think that the primes =
may
have a quite nice form and expression in another space then 2D.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
JT- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
1+1=3D3 ?
Sure, if you know how.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
=20
April Fooling!
You are a day late and a dollar shy.=20
a =3D b, given.
a^2 =3D ab, multiply both sides by a
a^2-b^2 =3D ab-b^2, subract b^2 from both sides
(a+b)(a-b) =3D b(a-b), factorise
a+b =3D b, by canceling,=20
but a =3D b, given, so=20
b+b =3D b
2b =3D b and divide by b.
2 =3D 1
Hence 1+1 =3D 1+2 =3D 3
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03 Apr 2007 04:54:27 AM |
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On 1 Apr, 20:08, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175452769.589342.258310@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Apr, 16:16, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175432428.926092.156910@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Apr, 11:57, wrote:
On 1 Apr, 04:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
I must admit Androcles i know nothing about sinewaves but if seen
travelling along the x-axis with the amplitude along the y-axis in a
Cartesian cordinate system do they have any extension into z-axis. Is
sinuswaves 3D or 2D, maybe my question do not even make any physical
sense.
It's simply a matter of drawing a circle of radius 1 and moving
around it, marking the height above the x-axis, which is then called
the sine of the angle.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.gif
The red/blue vertical line is the sine, the purple/gold horizontal
line is the cosine. As time passes (or the angle changes) so
the height changes.
I often wonder if things that look more or less random along a 2D
space can actually have a well defined shape and description/equation
in a 3D space, if right analogy for the shape is found.
Now i am out into the blue, but i like to think that the primes may
have a quite nice form and expression in another space then 2D.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
JT- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
1+1=3 ?
Sure, if you know how.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
April Fooling!
You are a day late and a dollar shy.
a = b, given.
a^2 = ab, multiply both sides by a
a^2-b^2 = ab-b^2, subract b^2 from both sides
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b), factorise
a+b = b, by canceling,
but a = b, given, so
b+b = b
2b = b and divide by b.
2 = 1
Hence 1+1 = 1+2 = 3- Hide quoted text -
Androcles wrote:-
You are a day late and a dollar shy.
I would have called it a bit ov ol' Tom foolery ! meself :)
and stationary observatories would have come along with a
settled culture and a surpluses. To think its taken hundreds
and thousands of years for science to develop today is
extraordinary.
Pre Harrapan culture (India 3ooo bc) Chinese observatory
(Northern China Shanxi province, about 4,000bc)
and Napta Playa observatory (in Africa about 5,000bc
which is the earliest ever found)
I can only guess that all early cultures and nomadic tribes
would have been mindful of seasonal variations and pitched
their huts accordingly. Anyhow this should be in archeology,
and thanks that was illuminating :)
Man before the technology of electricity was developed was not
plagued by modern light pollution from street lights. He could
(and did) gaze upon the stars and wonder, night after night. Today
the average joe wouldn't know a planet from a star.
Moonrise yesterday was on the pink side, was this due to
atmospheric disturbances I ask?
You are a day late and a dollar shy.
a = b, given.
a^2 = ab, multiply both sides by a
a^2-b^2 = ab-b^2, subract b^2 from both sides
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b), factorise
a+b = b, by canceling,
but a = b, given, so
b+b = b
2b = b and divide by b.
2 = 1
Hence 1+1 = 1+2 = 3
Right! if I stumble upon any other interesting bits or pieces
you can be sure I'll let you know ;)
Best Regards,
nicci
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Snake markings |
03 Apr 2007 05:29:43 AM |
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"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message =
news:1175594067.834601.186350@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Apr, 20:08, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in =
messagenews:1175452769.589342.258310@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Apr, 16:16, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> =
wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in =
messagenews:1175432428.926092.156910@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Apr, 11:57, wrote:
On 1 Apr, 04:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> =
wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in =
messagenews:1175384029.029276.253010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm not very good with maths and was looking at
the markings on a variety of creatures and natural
things around me. This site says that the markings
of the adder are well known to science and to physics,
can anyone help here? what is this sine called? and
has anybody any examples of where else significantly
it occurs in our world,
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSines3.gif
http://www.brantacan.org.uk/AdderSinesR.gif
Thanks :)
n.
A sine wave is a sine wave is a sine wave. You have
superposition of two sine waves with slightly different
frequencies, in phase halfway down and out of phase
at top and bottom.
Sines waves pop up in many situations, here's one:
=
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
and here's another
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm
I must admit Androcles i know nothing about sinewaves but if =
seen
travelling along the x-axis with the amplitude along the y-axis =
in a
Cartesian cordinate system do they have any extension into =
z-axis. Is
sinuswaves 3D or 2D, maybe my question do not even make any =
physical
sense.
It's simply a matter of drawing a circle of radius 1 and moving
around it, marking the height above the x-axis, which is then =
called
the sine of the angle.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.gif
The red/blue vertical line is the sine, the purple/gold horizontal
line is the cosine. As time passes (or the angle changes) so
the height changes.
I often wonder if things that look more or less random along a =
2D
space can actually have a well defined shape and =
description/equation
in a 3D space, if right analogy for the shape is found.
Now i am out into the blue, but i like to think that the primes =
may
have a quite nice form and expression in another space then 2D.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
JT- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
1+1=3D3 ?
Sure, if you know how.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
April Fooling!
You are a day late and a dollar shy.
a =3D b, given.
a^2 =3D ab, multiply both sides by a
a^2-b^2 =3D ab-b^2, subract b^2 from both sides
(a+b)(a-b) =3D b(a-b), factorise
a+b =3D b, by canceling,
but a =3D b, given, so
b+b =3D b
2b =3D b and divide by b.
2 =3D 1
Hence 1+1 =3D 1+2 =3D 3- Hide quoted text -
=20
Androcles wrote:-
You are a day late and a dollar shy.
=20
I would have called it a bit ov ol' Tom foolery ! meself :)
Even Tomfoolery can be instructive.
Since a =3D b, given, division by (a-b) is division by zero.
So is this:
2AB/(t'A-tA) =3D c -- Einstein.
When preceded by =20
"In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity"
it is clearly a deliberate con, nobody has any such experience
and *I* am not "we".
*You* may agree with Einstein's persuasive rhetoric, *I* do not.
A mathematician assumes nothing, 2AB =3D 0.
The time to travel no distance at all is anything you want it to be.
You can remain at A forever, or for an instant.
=20
and stationary observatories would have come along with a
settled culture and a surpluses. To think its taken hundreds
and thousands of years for science to develop today is
extraordinary.
=20
Pre Harrapan culture (India 3ooo bc) Chinese observatory
(Northern China Shanxi province, about 4,000bc)
and Napta Playa observatory (in Africa about 5,000bc
which is the earliest ever found)
=20
I can only guess that all early cultures and nomadic tribes
would have been mindful of seasonal variations and pitched
their huts accordingly. Anyhow this should be in archeology,
and thanks that was illuminating :)
Guessing is for fools. Conjecture should be stated as such
but there is nothing wrong with stating "I do not know".
=20
Man before the technology of electricity was developed was not
plagued by modern light pollution from street lights. He could
(and did) gaze upon the stars and wonder, night after night. Today
the average joe wouldn't know a planet from a star.
=20
Moonrise yesterday was on the pink side, was this due to
atmospheric disturbances I ask?
Red moon, red sunset. Light has to pass through more
dust in atmosphere to reach the eye at dawn and dusk than
when the source is overhead. Blue light is scattered. Red light
goes "around" the dust motes. Be thankful for dust or you'd
suffer radiation effects.=20
=20
You are a day late and a dollar shy.
a =3D b, given.
a^2 =3D ab, multiply both sides by a
a^2-b^2 =3D ab-b^2, subract b^2 from both sides
(a+b)(a-b) =3D b(a-b), factorise
a+b =3D b, by canceling,
but a =3D b, given, so
b+b =3D b
2b =3D b and divide by b.
2 =3D 1
Hence 1+1 =3D 1+2 =3D 3
=20
Right! if I stumble upon any other interesting bits or pieces
you can be sure I'll let you know ;)
=20
Best Regards,
=20
nicci
Some stumble, some actively seek. What I want to know
is why distant galaxies show redshift when they are not moving
from us.=20
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03 Apr 2007 07:43:32 PM |
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On 3 Apr, 11:29, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
Some stumble, some actively seek. What I want to know
is why distant galaxies show redshift when they are not moving
from us
Not being very good at math, my initial reaction was
'its a waste of my time!!'
I would assume that the more energy something has and
the more dense it is, regardless of distance its 'shift'
would be in any colour. Then again if I were looking
at something so far back in time with emense power
wouldnt I be seeing something like a stop frame in an old
movie? Wiki describes 4 different redshift types.
As a silly alternative, perhaps the spectrum is a loop! :)
Now how much energy would I need to loop a spectrum? can
I run time backwards?, twice over? now its forwards again.
it's OK. I'm leaving now, sorry,
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| User: "Androcles" |
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03 Apr 2007 07:49:03 PM |
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"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message =
news:1175647412.005979.60930@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 3 Apr, 11:29, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
Did you snip something without telling anyone?
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| User: "Nicci" |
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03 Apr 2007 07:54:23 PM |
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On 4 Apr, 01:49, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175647412.005979.60930@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 3 Apr, 11:29, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
Did you snip something without telling anyone?
bollocks
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| User: "Androcles" |
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03 Apr 2007 08:46:51 PM |
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"Nicci" <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message =
news:1175648063.753668.185630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 4 Apr, 01:49, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in =
messagenews:1175647412.005979.60930@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 3 Apr, 11:29, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> =
wrote:
Did you snip something without telling anyone?
=20
bollocks
*plonk*
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| User: "Nicci" |
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04 Apr 2007 04:37:37 AM |
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On 4 Apr, 02:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175648063.753668.185630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 4 Apr, 01:49, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175647412.005979.60930@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 3 Apr, 11:29, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
Did you snip something without telling anyone?
bollocks
*plonk*
You asked about the red shift of galaxies, I said
perhaps the spectrum is a kinda loop???
As for the other twaddle, EEEuuuugh! gimme a bucket,
I couldnt even face having my cat castrated & someone
else has to take the animals for me, it'll be a wake
for a week at this rate & I'll cry like a baby if you
continue being so rude and nasty,
Be serious!, there must be have been some other fixed
celestial bodies that do something interesting at
certain times of the year & other planetary analemmas
or in an analulas.
n.
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04 Apr 2007 04:48:16 PM |
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On 4 Apr, 03:46, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175648063.753668.185630@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 4 Apr, 01:49, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
"Nicci" <n.m.ke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1175647412.005979.60930@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 3 Apr, 11:29, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:
Did you snip something without telling anyone?
bollocks
*plonk*
Yes i had alot of cpu hours 'thinking' how to get rid of the snakes in
my life and you take my word for it when i take a decision on it it is
bound to happen. Because everything is planned and determinsitic.
JT
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02 Apr 2007 08:55:55 AM |
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1+1=3 ?
Yes, for sufficiently large values of 1 :)
/Per
--
Per Erik Strandberg
..NET Architect - Optimization
Tomlab Optimization Inc.
http://tomopt.com/tomnet/
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