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60km/hr is very good indeed and to be running all day !
India, Solar rickshaws come to Udaipur's aid
5 Hour,33 minutes Ago
[India News]: Udaipur: A voluntary group in Udaipur, has brought in
solar-powered rickshaws to ferry tourists, in an attempt to save them
from getting defaced by vehicular fumes.
The vehicles have come as a breather for the congested city made worse
by the dozens of auto-rickshaws and taxis, many of them more than two
decades old, spewing fumes through its serpentine streets.
Designed by a British environmentalist, the solar ferries are electric
cars with solar batteries.
As the drivers wait for their passengers to return from tours, the
solar panels keep on charging the batteries, which can store power for
more than 12 hours of plying time, which means the vehicles can even
run at night.
The solar cycle-rickshaw can also be pedalled like a normal one.
Ashok Singh Shekhawat, one of the few dozen auto drivers chosen in the
pilot project, was more than satisfied with the performance of his
fragile-looking vehicle, which is sturdy, spacious and well suited for
the desert city.
"The average is around 60 kilometers per hour. It is driven throughout
the day as sunlight charges the battery. The response is very good.
The tourists appreciate it. The most important thing is that there is
no pollution," Shekhawat said.
Despite the encouraging response, getting the solar rickshaws into the
mainstream is a difficult task.
The group has already been successful with its solar-powered boat,
used extensively by rich hotels and resorts, and is hopeful they will
strike it big with the lower-end rickshaws as well.
"Our aim is to make Udaipur a solar city. The bikes and everything
else should be run on solar. We are doing more research on this. Our
solar boats are a 100 per cent success," said Anu Vikram, manager of
the trust.
Rajasthan's second most favoured tourist destination, Udaipur along
with Jaipur and Jaisalmer accounts for one-fourth of the total
international tourist arrivals in India. But despite its prominence on
the country's tourist map, the city in recent years has faced much
flak for poor maintenance of its deteriorating architectural wonders
and lakes
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06 Feb 2005 06:09:04 PM |
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Powering ahead with solar rickshaws
Prarthna Gahilote
New Delhi, December 30: MALCOLM J. Moss, the veteran environmentalist
from the English countryside, is here to promote the use of solar
rickshaws and boats to help conserve environment and provide an
alternative to fossil fuel.
The boats and rickshaws at present are successfully running both in
Udaipur and Kumbhalgarh, Moss’s haunts. In India with his amateur
cricket team Nomads, Moss, a chemist by profession, is using his four
days in India to convert more ordinary rickshaws into solar rickshaws
(these don’t have pedals) and riding them all the way to Udaipur.
And right after his arrival in Delhi (on December 27), Moss went
scouting for a brand new rickshaw in the Walled City. The rickshaw
will be converted into a solar one in Udaipur, aided by his sons James
(16) and Simon (12). Like his father, James too plays for the Nomads.
‘‘I am a technical nincompoop. If it had not been for James and Simon,
I wouldn’t have been able to put it together,’’ says Moss. This time
the father-sons, trio will be converting the vehicle into a solar one
in less than 36 hours, after they reach Udaipur on Tuesday.
And thanks to his innovation, Moss’s schedule has been packed: from
buying solar panels to meeting experts on solar vehicles in Delhi and
to organising the filming of the rickshaw-run planned for March next
year.
As an effort to promote the solar rickshaws and the boats and showcase
these as alternative vehicles, Moss, in collaboration with his old
friend and fellow dreamer Arvind Singh Mewar (Maharana of Mewar), has
a rally lined up for March 2003. The first international rally of its
kind, it will start from Neemrana and cover seven cities in Rajasthan
before ending in Udaipur.
‘‘The rally will have 10 different kinds of solar rickshaws out of
which two have been made in India, one in Australia, one in Ireland
and four in England,’’ says Moss and is quick to add: ‘‘This is the
first time passenger solar rickshaws will be out on the streets and
since all these are different designs, we would have a lot to offer.’’
Moss and his team will be driving these rickshaws, setting an
‘‘example of solar rickshaws as alternative to fossil fuel-run
vehicles’’.
The rickshaws, as compared to CNG autos, come cheap: Rs 30,000 but run
at a maximum speed of 35 kmph.
‘‘Environment is sacred and we can’t afford to fool around with it. In
less than 20 years, somebody somewhere will not have fossil fuel in
their vehicles to go to work. It is then that they will realise that
solar vehicles are important,’’ says Moss, preparing for the worst.
‘‘You will not see a single fossil fuel-run boat on the Thames after
20 years. We need to do the same here.
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06 Feb 2005 07:18:13 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Powering ahead with solar rickshaws
Prarthna Gahilote
New Delhi, December 30: MALCOLM J. Moss, the veteran environmentalist
from the English countryside, is here to promote the use of solar
rickshaws and boats to help conserve environment and provide an
alternative to fossil fuel.
The boats and rickshaws at present are successfully running both in
Udaipur and Kumbhalgarh, Moss?s haunts. In India with his amateur
cricket team Nomads, Moss, a chemist by profession, is using his four
days in India to convert more ordinary rickshaws into solar rickshaws
(these don?t have pedals) and riding them all the way to Udaipur.
His time would be better spent putting in a sewage system.
<remaining drivel snipped>
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Jim Pennino
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30 Jan 2005 11:49:16 AM |
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I suppose is the high cost of replacing batteries after three
years . Are not the sealed ones longer lasting , if it could become
ten years , solars will replace gas
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06 Feb 2005 06:08:26 PM |
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Type in solar rickshaw in google in images and you can see it
About the expedition
James Moss and his team are travelling across India in a solar powered
rickshaw. Watch his adventure and see his progress from his start
point in Delhi to his final destination in Udipaur.
In the early hours of the morning the family got up and went to see
some of the amazing sites of Delhi. They were incredible. We first
went to see a Jane temple. This was very interesting. To enter the
temple you had to remove your shoes and clean your hands. When we were
inside the temple most of it was not inside. It was open with an
enormous statue on the roof. The statue was of the God Jain Dharma,
which is one of their Gods.
After this we visited the tallest tower in Delhi. It was amazing.
Because of its size a lot of the tower had to be knocked down for the
aeroplanes because of its closeness to Delhi airport.
Next we returned to the hotel where we met Gulshan Capur who has
helped massively on the Indian side of the whole thing. He took us to
his workshop where the vehicle was after being taken out of the IIT
because it was shut on the holiday.
high view of rickshaw
We drove it up and down out side the road of the industrial estate. We
were all very excited about the idea of seeing the vehicle as we have
not seen it since it left England 2 months ago. We arrived and were
not disappointed when we saw the vehicle. It was going a lot faster
than we had expected and was great fun to drive. We have decided that
we will leave from Delhi on the early morning of the 5th. We will then
travel by truck to Jipur then put the buggy on the road and travel to
Udaipur via Kumblegar
for further information please contact:
Gordon Foat for general enquiries enquiries on 07771 895429, or by fax
01483 598804 or email
Raymundo came to the Big Green Gathering armed with an array of twelve
115 Watt solar panels (Solar Fabrik), effectively providing just over
1300 Watt (1.3 kiloWatt) of power during full sunlight. This amount of
power at 12 volts needs very careful handling and regulation. All the
cables and connections used need to be adequately rated, as at 12
volts 1kiloWatt equates to a current of just over 100 Amperes. Also
mounted on a 4 metre pole above the Raymundo vehicle an Air 403 wind
generator was rigged. This wind generator is capable of providing 400
Watts in strong wind and features an internal regulator and protection
against wind speeds which are too excessive. The wind generator
required guy wire stays fixed in four directions for safety.
The solar current thus generated was fed via a regulator into a bank
of 22 deep cycle 110 AmpereHour batteries. By rough calculation, this
bank of batteries when fully charged could power the 200 Watts of our
core network for around 77 hours continuously. This situation would
only occur if there was no wind or Sun for nearly 4 days, which was
highly unlikely where we were, high on the Mendip hills; although it
did rain an awful lot, which wasn't too helpful. Just in case, they
had another backup bank of batteries half the size, all charged on
wind and solar energy.
Running off the battery bank Raymundo have a 2.6 kiloWatt Trace
inverter (SW2612E), installed into the vehicle, which converts the 12
Volts dc (direct current) into 240 Volts ac (alternating current) for
powering ordinary UK household equipment. The 240 Volts ac was then
distributed to us and those around us needing power.
Once we have consulted the Raymundo crew, we will post circuit
diagrams here. Refer here for Air 403 wind generator wiring.
Earthing
Before turning on the inverter, the negative terminal of the
batteries, the earth outlet on the inverter and the chassis of the
vehicle are all connected together and then connected to a good copper
earth spike hammered deep into the ground. This ensures that they are
all at the same potential. The neutral outlet on the inverter is then
connected to the earth at the outlet of the inverter. The 240 Volts ac
is then fed through an RCD (Residual Current Device) rated at 30ms,
and an MCB (Miniature Circuit Breaker) rated at 15 Amps. This makes it
safe for use in a field.
The results
The iTrike worked very well indeed and we were able to provide mobile
Internet access over a large area of the festival site. We rarely lost
the connexion between the base-stations, and when we did, this was
largely due to passing too close behind a large obstruction, such as a
truck or marquee. So long as we stayed a safe distance of around 10
meters from anything large in between the wireless devices, we had a
good connexion. Mostly we were able to achieve the maximum speed for
802.11b networks of 11Mb/s , dropping to 5Mb/s on occasion. This was
no cause for concern
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06 Feb 2005 07:16:26 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Type in solar rickshaw in google in images and you can see it
About the expedition
James Moss and his team are travelling across India in a solar powered
rickshaw. Watch his adventure and see his progress from his start
point in Delhi to his final destination in Udipaur.
Who the hell cares, India is a low spot in the sewerage system of the
world.
<remaining babble snipped>
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06 Feb 2005 07:18:50 PM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:16:26 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Type in solar rickshaw in google in images and you can see it
About the expedition
James Moss and his team are travelling across India in a solar powered
rickshaw. Watch his adventure and see his progress from his start
point in Delhi to his final destination in Udipaur.
Who the hell cares, India is a low spot in the sewerage system of the
world.
Human Waste Overwhelms India's War on Disease
By Kenneth J. Cooper
Washington Post Foreign Service page A27
Fewer than 30 percent of India's 1100 million people have bathrooms in
their homes or easy access to public toilets. The rest routinely
relieve themselves in the open -- along roadsides, on farmland or in
municipal parks.
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The rest that uncoil in the open are well over 770 million.
And we have a freak who is talking about solar powered rickshaw...
Speak of hand powered rickshaw like this one.
http://home.cogeco.ca/~choot/koolysrickshaw/koolymisery.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~choot/koolysrickshaw/hand_rickshaw.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~choot/koolysrickshaw/koolybusy.jpg
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07 Feb 2005 08:21:38 AM |
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The iTrike worked very well indeed and we were able to provide mobile
Internet access over a large area of the festival site. We rarely lost
the connexion between the base-stations, and when we did, this was
largely due to passing too close behind a large obstruction, such as a
truck or marquee. So long as we stayed a safe distance of around 10
meters from anything large in between the wireless devices, we had a
good connexion. Mostly we were able to achieve the maximum speed for
802.11b networks of 11Mb/s , dropping to 5Mb/s on occasion. This was
no cause for concern
This is better than super broadband !!
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07 Feb 2005 08:30:17 AM |
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and that wifi connection that gave you up to 11mb/s dropped to what at
the internet gateway?
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
habshi wrote:
The iTrike worked very well indeed and we were able to provide mobile
Internet access over a large area of the festival site. We rarely lost
the connexion between the base-stations, and when we did, this was
largely due to passing too close behind a large obstruction, such as a
truck or marquee. So long as we stayed a safe distance of around 10
meters from anything large in between the wireless devices, we had a
good connexion. Mostly we were able to achieve the maximum speed for
802.11b networks of 11Mb/s , dropping to 5Mb/s on occasion. This was
no cause for concern
This is better than super broadband !!
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30 Jan 2005 10:41:38 AM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
60km/hr is very good indeed and to be running all day !
India, Solar rickshaws come to Udaipur's aid
5 Hour,33 minutes Ago
[India News]: Udaipur: A voluntary group in Udaipur, has brought in
solar-powered rickshaws to ferry tourists, in an attempt to save them
from getting defaced by vehicular fumes.
"defaced"???
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30 Jan 2005 03:18:39 PM |
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habshi wrote:
60km/hr is very good indeed and to be running all day !
India, Solar rickshaws come to Udaipur's aid
[snip}
1) Idiot wog.
2) Who pays for infrastructure purchase, maintenance, and eventual
disposal?
3) The solar constant at ground level in India, kW/m^2, is a bad
joke.
4) Idiot wog.
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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30 Jan 2005 07:18:02 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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habshi wrote:
60km/hr is very good indeed and to be running all day !
India, Solar rickshaws come to Udaipur's aid
[snip}
1) Idiot wog.
Schwartz ("Uncle" Alice) gets his rocks off by following his
own standard procedure:
1) Snip and say "[snip crap]". (Schwartz doesn't actually read the
post.)
2) Insult to poster by saying "psychotic imbecile".
This, Schwartz finds thrilling.
Nobody else gives a damn, but Schwartz is happy.
The best way to deal with Schwartz is simply ignore the idiot,
but failing that, follow his own procedure, its all he'll ever
understand anyway.
Then you'll have a long thread of
[snip crap]
You are a psychotic imbecile.
[snip crap]
You are a psychotic imbecile.
[snip crap]
You are a psychotic imbecile.
[snip crap]
You are a psychotic imbecile.
[snip crap]
You are a psychotic imbecile.
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You are a psychotic imbecile.
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You are a psychotic imbecile.
ad infinitum ad nausem
This demonstrates that one of the two parties involved really IS
psychotic, and believe me, I've tested the theory, Schwartz WILL have
the last word.
Androcles.
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30 Jan 2005 08:07:38 PM |
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"Androcles" <dummy@dummy.com> wrote in message
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habshi wrote:
60km/hr is very good indeed and to be running all day !
India, Solar rickshaws come to Udaipur's aid
[snip}
1) Idiot wog.
Schwartz ("Uncle" Alice) gets his rocks off by following his
own standard procedure:
1) Snip and say "[snip crap]". (Schwartz doesn't actually read the
post.)
2) Insult to poster by saying "psychotic imbecile".
No, he called him "idiot wog", which is pretty accurate.
This, Schwartz finds thrilling.
Nobody else gives a damn, but Schwartz is happy.
The best way to deal with Schwartz is simply ignore the idiot,
but failing that, follow his own procedure, its all he'll ever
understand anyway.
Uncle Al provides much needed comic relief. You don't.
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30 Jan 2005 09:01:06 PM |
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Habshi--
What's your point? Your land may be beautiful and energy
efficient--still, I'm not convinced that that's where I want to spend
my vacation. A 120 watt solar cell goes for about $450--and thats more
than a years pay for your friends--batterys aren't cheap either.
Human power seems like a good solution--your solar solution will have
the rickshaw drivers as fat as Americans in a few years--then you'll
have to fund national health care--and that isn't cheap either.
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30 Jan 2005 10:25:11 PM |
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On 30 Jan 2005 19:01:06 -0800, wrote:
A 120 watt solar cell goes for about $450
With oil prices so high, it makes good sense.
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31 Jan 2005 08:42:40 AM |
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"Hindian" <hindian@jaihindhindhind.com> wrote in message
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On 30 Jan 2005 19:01:06 -0800, wrote:
A 120 watt solar cell goes for about $450
With oil prices so high, it makes good sense.
Waste of money in Britain, I've see the sun shine twice this winter.
How come all the oil is where the sun shines?
Put your solar cells up and send the oil where it is needed.
Androcles.
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31 Jan 2005 09:59:35 AM |
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Androcles wrote:
"Hindian" <hindian@jaihindhindhind.com> wrote in message
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On 30 Jan 2005 19:01:06 -0800, wrote:
A 120 watt solar cell goes for about $450
With oil prices so high, it makes good sense.
Waste of money in Britain, I've see the sun shine twice this winter.
How come all the oil is where the sun shines?
Put your solar cells up and send the oil where it is needed.
Androcles.
Maybe ingenious marine engineers in Great Britain can solve
collecting algae from the sea economically, giving Great Britain a
source of algal biodiesel and algal by-products.
Seems to me a simple and not particularly expensive operation to
cause an algae bloom. For example one might anchor an old ship,
otherwise not useful, in equatorial waters. Refit it with with
pumps to move deep seawater to the surface. Deep seawater contains
nutrients that will cause phytoplankton blooms, including algae.
The phytoplankton attract predators, and all contain oil. Though,
one must exclude capturing endangered species, such as blue whale.
Equatorial waters are beset with doldrums, never have hurricanes,
and receive lots of sun and rain. Building a north-sea oil
platform requires a structure to take storms. By comparison,
building an equatorial platform must be much easier and less
expensive.
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31 Jan 2005 11:31:46 AM |
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"Ed Earl Ross" <edearl@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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Androcles wrote:
"Hindian" <hindian@jaihindhindhind.com> wrote in message
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On 30 Jan 2005 19:01:06 -0800, wrote:
A 120 watt solar cell goes for about $450
With oil prices so high, it makes good sense.
Waste of money in Britain, I've see the sun shine twice this winter.
How come all the oil is where the sun shines?
Put your solar cells up and send the oil where it is needed.
Androcles.
Maybe ingenious marine engineers in Great Britain can solve collecting
algae from the sea economically, giving Great Britain a source of
algal biodiesel and algal by-products.
You've gotta be joking, even fishing is tightly controlled these days.
There'd be a panic that Britain was upsetting the balance of nature.
What Britain IS doing is establishing wind farms, but even that is
a huge political issue.
No matter what solution scientists and engineers come up with,
from nuclear power to solar power to wind power to wave power,
economics will always rule. Everyone, not matter what country,
wants the cheapest solution and it is always someone else's
responsibility
to provide it. Notice that price was a foremost consideration
when discussing the issue.
Britain still has huge quantities of coal, but burning it produces
acid rain that falls on Norway and Sweden. There are no easy solutions.
Seems to me a simple and not particularly expensive operation to cause
an algae bloom. For example one might anchor an old ship, otherwise
not useful, in equatorial waters.
Britain is not IN equatorial waters. If it were, it would have a much
lower
energy requirement anyway. Nah. The cheapest solution is to conquer
the rest of the world and take what we need... but even that doesn't
work,
we've tried it. The darned Brits rebel and start calling themselves
Americans
or Australians or some such, yet carry on using our language and
adopting
our way of life and our laws.
Refit it with with pumps to move deep seawater to the surface. Deep
seawater contains nutrients that will cause phytoplankton blooms,
including algae. The phytoplankton attract predators, and all contain
oil. Though, one must exclude capturing endangered species, such as
blue whale.
Equatorial waters are beset with doldrums, never have hurricanes, and
receive lots of sun and rain. Building a north-sea oil platform
requires a structure to take storms. By comparison, building an
equatorial platform must be much easier and less expensive.
How are you going to move the product? Who is going to have
ownership of the ocean? What happened when Britain established some
simple farmland on some small remote islands in the south Atlantic,
and a huge country like Argentina decides it wants them? War happens,
that's what. Then we have to kick butt or go under. That's the real
reason
Britain is (or was) a technological nation, we started the industrial
revolution, dammit! Now the do-gooders want to see us collapse, take
pity on the starving
world that is grossly over-populated because they are not dying off
through diseases controlled by medicines developed in this country.
Fucking bleeding hearts would give away everything we've done for the
world
without any consideration for our own children and grandchildren.
The world population is doubling every 33 years. In 100 years there'll
be
eight times as many as there are now, because that darling little girl
that needs
a chance in life and should be fed will get herself fucked and have two
darling little babies with mouths to feed in just 16 years, and the hand
will be held out for
more aid.
Compassion is fine for those that can afford it, but why the hell
should
I give away what belongs to MY grandchildren to feed someone else's ?
Now, give me the oil at a fair price or I'm going to drip acid rain all
over Europe,
The Ukraine is going to pour radiation out from Chernobyl, and pretty
soon India, China and the USA are going to be equally as thoughtless and
inconsiderate, tehy already are.
No, I know it isn't a solution, the only one there is is to control
population growth.
Everywhere.
Androcles.
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30 Jan 2005 02:36:14 PM |
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"Androcles" <dummy@dummy.com> wrote in message
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Britain still has huge quantities of coal, but burning it produces
acid rain that falls on Norway and Sweden. There are no easy solutions.
this never was an issue for britain, although it was for norway and sweden.
brit scintists routinely dismissed the issue by saying that smoke dispersal
from chimneys was so great in all directions that it would be impossible for
it land on vikings' soil.
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31 Jan 2005 02:46:41 PM |
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"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Androcles" <dummy@dummy.com> wrote in message
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Britain still has huge quantities of coal, but burning it produces
acid rain that falls on Norway and Sweden. There are no easy
solutions.
this never was an issue for britain, although it was for norway and
sweden.
brit scintists routinely dismissed the issue by saying that smoke
dispersal
from chimneys was so great in all directions that it would be
impossible for
it land on vikings' soil.
Oh come on, it was stopped. If it wasn't an issue, it would still be
happening.
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30 Jan 2005 10:31:27 PM |
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In sci.physics Hindian <hindian@jaihindhindhind.com> wrote:
On 30 Jan 2005 19:01:06 -0800, wrote:
A 120 watt solar cell goes for about $450
With oil prices so high, it makes good sense.
Why do you say oil prices are "so high"?
They aren't.
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31 Jan 2005 05:50:45 AM |
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I'd call $50 a barrel pretty high, and it's not likely to go down, but up.
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jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Hindian <hindian@jaihindhindhind.com> wrote:
On 30 Jan 2005 19:01:06 -0800, wrote:
A 120 watt solar cell goes for about $450
With oil prices so high, it makes good sense.
Why do you say oil prices are "so high"?
They aren't.
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31 Jan 2005 09:34:28 AM |
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In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> wrote:
I'd call $50 a barrel pretty high, and it's not likely to go down, but up.
Steve Spence
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OPEC, $43.10 last Wednesday, $41.88 on Friday.
Neither $50 nor going up right now.
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31 Jan 2005 09:40:29 AM |
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Not according to latest OPEC "press" release. They don't consider $50
unreasonable, and see no reason to lower prices, based on demand. In
fact, they are suggesting the market will bear higher prices.
Steve Spence
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jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> wrote:
I'd call $50 a barrel pretty high, and it's not likely to go down, but up.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
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OPEC, $43.10 last Wednesday, $41.88 on Friday.
Neither $50 nor going up right now.
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31 Jan 2005 10:02:07 AM |
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In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> wrote:
Not according to latest OPEC "press" release. They don't consider $50
unreasonable, and see no reason to lower prices, based on demand. In
fact, they are suggesting the market will bear higher prices.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
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http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> wrote:
I'd call $50 a barrel pretty high, and it's not likely to go down, but up.
OPEC, $43.10 last Wednesday, $41.88 on Friday.
Neither $50 nor going up right now.
Press releases are like belly buttons, everyone has one, but I was quoting
the actual price.
From a report on the weekend OPEC ministers meeting in Vienna:
"OPEC formally abandoned its long-defunct $22-$28 price target and appears
set to defend a price floor of $40 a barrel for U.S. crude, a level that
could be tested in the next few months."
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31 Jan 2005 10:15:24 AM |
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$49.36 a barrel.
http://www.financegates.com/reviews/brokerage/2005-01-27/oil_27012005.html
$46.99 a barrel.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/01/25/markets/oil.reut/
$49.75 a barrel
http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/ArticleNews/story/ROC/20050126/2005-01-26T133733Z_01_N26447602_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESS-MARKETS-OIL-COL
"$50 oil will not play a big role in slowing up growth of the economy.
Some analysts say even $60 oil will play a small role in affecting
growth," said OPEC President Sheikh Ahmad al-Fahd al-Sabah.
"I am comfortable with the market between $45 and $55," said Edmund
Daukoru, Nigeria's Presidential Adviser on energy.
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jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> wrote:
Not according to latest OPEC "press" release. They don't consider $50
unreasonable, and see no reason to lower prices, based on demand. In
fact, they are suggesting the market will bear higher prices.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> wrote:
I'd call $50 a barrel pretty high, and it's not likely to go down, but up.
OPEC, $43.10 last Wednesday, $41.88 on Friday.
Neither $50 nor going up right now.
Press releases are like belly buttons, everyone has one, but I was quoting
the actual price.
From a report on the weekend OPEC ministers meeting in Vienna:
"OPEC formally abandoned its long-defunct $22-$28 price target and appears
set to defend a price floor of $40 a barrel for U.S. crude, a level that
could be tested in the next few months."
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31 Jan 2005 10:32:46 AM |
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In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> wrote:
$49.36 a barrel.
http://www.financegates.com/reviews/brokerage/2005-01-27/oil_27012005.html
This is a futures price, not the OPEC price, and before the price fall
of Friday and today.
$46.99 a barrel.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/01/25/markets/oil.reut/
This is also a futures price and way before the end of the week price fall.
$49.75 a barrel
http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/ArticleNews/story/ROC/20050126/2005-01-26T133733Z_01_N26447602_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESS-MARKETS-OIL-COL
The actual price quoted was $49.25 and is for U.S. light crude, not OPEC.
The price was also down $.39 and is again from before the end of the
week price fall.
"$50 oil will not play a big role in slowing up growth of the economy.
Some analysts say even $60 oil will play a small role in affecting
growth," said OPEC President Sheikh Ahmad al-Fahd al-Sabah.
"I am comfortable with the market between $45 and $55," said Edmund
Daukoru, Nigeria's Presidential Adviser on energy.
Steve Spence
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It is obvious from your signature you have a deep bias, but at least
compare apples to apples.
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31 Jan 2005 02:48:21 PM |
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wrote:
In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> top posted:
<snip>
Why are you guys arguing about the present market price of oil? It only
reflects the excess capacity to produce. That was down to some half a
million barrels a day in the last couple of months.
Much more important is what happens over the next couple of decades.
Demand is expected to climb to 100+ million barrels a day. Plugging this
number into known reserves and expected discoveries, we really don't
have a lot of time left.
The only next reserves I know about down the energy pyramid suitable for
transportation fuel is sand/tar oil. This would require a lot of nuclear
infrastructure to process, a lot of time.
Another alternative are the processes like RENTECH INC have developed.
"Gas to Liquids Process Fischer-Tropsch Conversion Technology". But how
long would natural gas reserves last if converted to liquid fuels at
10,20,40 million barrels a day?
I've recently brought this up on another set of threads. I'm somewhat
baffled that few care to acknowledge the implications. This should be
the most important challenge that mankind should be addressing. If not
planned for, will the next step be to fight over what oil is left?
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31 Jan 2005 04:01:27 PM |
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Dan Bloomquist wrote:
jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> top posted:
<snip>
Why are you guys arguing about the present market price of oil? It only
reflects the excess capacity to produce. That was down to some half a
million barrels a day in the last couple of months.
Much more important is what happens over the next couple of decades.
Demand is expected to climb to 100+ million barrels a day. Plugging this
number into known reserves and expected discoveries, we really don't
have a lot of time left.
The only next reserves I know about down the energy pyramid suitable for
transportation fuel is sand/tar oil. This would require a lot of nuclear
infrastructure to process, a lot of time.
Another alternative are the processes like RENTECH INC have developed.
"Gas to Liquids Process Fischer-Tropsch Conversion Technology". But how
long would natural gas reserves last if converted to liquid fuels at
10,20,40 million barrels a day?
I've recently brought this up on another set of threads. I'm somewhat
baffled that few care to acknowledge the implications. This should be
the most important challenge that mankind should be addressing. If not
planned for, will the next step be to fight over what oil is left?
Best, Dan.
"The times they are a changing"--Bob Dylan
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31 Jan 2005 09:59:25 AM |
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http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/01/30/opec.reut/
VIENNA, Austria (Reuters) -- OPEC producers have agreed to keep output
limits on hold, convinced that oil prices near $50 a barrel are not
stifling world growth.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
Steve Spence wrote:
Not according to latest OPEC "press" release. They don't consider $50
unreasonable, and see no reason to lower prices, based on demand. In
fact, they are suggesting the market will bear higher prices.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> wrote:
I'd call $50 a barrel pretty high, and it's not likely to go down,
but up.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
OPEC, $43.10 last Wednesday, $41.88 on Friday.
Neither $50 nor going up right now.
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31 Jan 2005 10:08:17 AM |
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In sci.physics Steve Spence <spence@green-trust.org> wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/01/30/opec.reut/
VIENNA, Austria (Reuters) -- OPEC producers have agreed to keep output
limits on hold, convinced that oil prices near $50 a barrel are not
stifling world growth.
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
And in the body of the article:
"OPEC now appears ready to defend oil prices at a floor of about $40 a
barrel for U.S. crude, or $30-$35 for a reference basket of cartel crudes."
Translation of hype: We hope we can get $50 but we'll settle for $40.
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31 Jan 2005 10:14:35 AM |
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habshi wrote:
60km/hr is very good indeed and to be running all day !
India, Solar rickshaws come to Udaipur's aid
Holy electric cow!
Mike
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