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23 Apr 2007 07:57:59 PM |
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space-based directed-energy weapons |
Re: US (and Russian) space-based directed-energy weapons.
Putin recently said: "Star wars is no longer a fantasy - it is a
reality."
http://www.securityconference.de/konferenzen/rede.php?sprache=en&id=179
I trust you have heard about the astonishing 'exploding cars' during
the collapse
of the World Trade Center:
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html
and the "melted cars" http://www.google.com/search?q=wtc+%22melted+cars
Any comments would be appreciated
My speculations are here:
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-electron-laser-toasted-cars-at.html
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/01/estonia-particle-weapon-poofed-wtc.html
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: space-based directed-energy weapons |
24 Apr 2007 11:03:55 PM |
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Re: US (and Russian) space-based directed-energy weapons.
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.htm
and the "melted cars" http://www.google.com/search?q=wtc+%22melted+cars
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-electron-laser-toasted-cars-at.html
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/01/estonia-particle-weapon-poofed-wtc.html
Any comments would be appreciated
Go away. -- all crossposting newsgroups clipped.
-- Charlie Springer
Obviously I raised a topic where attacking the messenger is seen to be
an escape.
Either you know the topic and are happy to hush up the facts,
or you are ignorant... in which case I STRONGLY suggest you look into
it.
Granted, the 'facts' are not presented properly
yet the topic is important, way beyond cosmetic considerations.
Let me ask you a simple question:
Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
Yes or no?
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| User: "Dan" |
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| Title: Re: space-based directed-energy weapons |
24 Apr 2007 11:12:34 PM |
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wrote:
Re: US (and Russian) space-based directed-energy weapons.
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.htm
and the "melted cars" http://www.google.com/search?q=wtc+%22melted+cars
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-electron-laser-toasted-cars-at.html
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/01/estonia-particle-weapon-poofed-wtc.html
Any comments would be appreciated
Go away. -- all crossposting newsgroups clipped.
-- Charlie Springer
Obviously I raised a topic where attacking the messenger is seen to be
an escape.
Either you know the topic and are happy to hush up the facts,
or you are ignorant... in which case I STRONGLY suggest you look into
it.
Granted, the 'facts' are not presented properly
yet the topic is important, way beyond cosmetic considerations.
Let me ask you a simple question:
Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
Yes or no?
Probably, ever heard of RTGs? They use nuclear materials to generate
electricity. No, they can't generate sufficient power for any of the
delusions you set forth.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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| User: "Allen Thomson" |
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| Title: Re: space-based directed-energy weapons |
26 Apr 2007 11:05:57 AM |
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Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
For sufficiently relaxed definitions of "device", yes, slightly more
than a couple of dozen.
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| User: "Charlie Springer" |
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| Title: Re: space-based directed-energy weapons |
24 Apr 2007 11:35:02 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:03:55 -0700, wrote
(in article <1177473835.051659.256880@r30g2000prh.googlegroups.com>):
Let me ask you a simple question:
Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
Yes or no?
Haven't been there.
Deleted cross postings again. Must have used the wrong button.
-- Charlie Spriger
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: space-based directed-energy weapons |
25 Apr 2007 02:22:11 AM |
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Re: US (and Russian) space-based directed-energy weapons.
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.htm
and the "melted cars" http://www.google.com/search?q=wtc+%22melted+cars
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-electron-laser-toasted-cars-at.html
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/01/estonia-particle-weapon-poofed-wtc.html
Any comments would be appreciated
Go away. -- all crossposting newsgroups clipped.
-- Charlie Springer
Obviously I raised a topic where attacking the messenger is seen to be
an escape.
Either you know the topic and are happy to hush up the facts,
or you are ignorant... in which case I STRONGLY suggest you look into
it.
Granted, the 'facts' are not presented properly
yet the topic is important, way beyond cosmetic considerations.
Let me ask you a simple question:
Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
Yes or no?
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| User: "BogusID" |
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| Title: Re: space-based directed-energy weapons |
25 Apr 2007 09:22:31 AM |
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<u2r2h@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1177485731.198591.14880@n35g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Re: US (and Russian) space-based directed-energy weapons.
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.htm
and the "melted cars" http://www.google.com/search?q=wtc+%22melted+cars
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-electron-laser-toasted-cars-at.html
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/01/estonia-particle-weapon-poofed-wtc.html
Any comments would be appreciated
Go away. -- all crossposting newsgroups clipped.
-- Charlie Springer
Obviously I raised a topic where attacking the messenger is seen to be
an escape.
Either you know the topic and are happy to hush up the facts,
or you are ignorant... in which case I STRONGLY suggest you look into
it.
Granted, the 'facts' are not presented properly
yet the topic is important, way beyond cosmetic considerations.
Let me ask you a simple question:
Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
Yes or no?
Probably, deep space probes especially, due to mission timespan + power
needs versus weight.
Now as far as using a high powered laser to fry the World Trade Center,
would it not make more sense to launch a durable, directable mirror and
reflect the beam from below instead (easier to maintain and upgrade the beam
source)?
I've seen melted cars from conventional fires as well, although the fire
truck with 1 side melted and the other side still having clean paint might
compel such conclusions. I'd want to see some investigative forensic
research results before making any kind of conspiracy theory leaps
however...
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| User: "Ralph_S" |
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26 Apr 2007 06:19:47 AM |
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On 25 Apr, 08:22, wrote:
Re: US (and Russian) space-based directed-energy weapons.
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-insid...
and the "melted cars" http://www.google.com/search?q=wtc+%22melted+cars
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-electron-laser-toast...
http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/01/estonia-particle-weapon-p...
Any comments would be appreciated
Go away. -- all crossposting newsgroups clipped.
-- Charlie Springer
Obviously I raised a topic where attacking the messenger is seen to be
an escape.
Either you know the topic and are happy to hush up the facts,
or you are ignorant... in which case I STRONGLY suggest you look into
it.
That's standard conspiracy theory nonsense. If you don't believe in
it, you're part of it. I guess that makes me a part of it.
Granted, the 'facts' are not presented properly
yet the topic is important, way beyond cosmetic considerations.
Granted, if it were true that the US government were involved in this,
it would be the biggest news story ever, with grave repercussions.
However, no matter how sincere some of the believers in this
consipracy theory seem to be, most of it is utter nonsense. What
you're posting is no exception.
Let me ask you a simple question:
Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
Yes or no?
There probably are, but I think you should be doing a little reading
on directed energy weapons and I don't mean the ones in Star Trek.
When thinking of lasers, in order to get a sufficiently large ammount
of energy through the earth's atmosphere from orbit (if at all
possible, thermal blooming might actually prevent it) you're going to
need a truly massive power supply up in orbit as well. The heat from a
10kg ball of Plutonium wouldn't do.
Particle beams (firing anything other than photons) are simply no use
for what you suggest has happened whatsoever, since there's not a
snowflake's chance in hell of one penetrating the atmosphere.
This is one of the reasons why for SDI X-ray lasers were considered as
an option -with an actual nuclear weapon _detonation_ as their power
source. There are some reports that elements of such a laser were
tested during underground nuclear weapons tests in the late eighties,
but SDI got axed before the madness could be taken any further.
If they actually would have managed to make it work in secret since
then, it would be very hard to miss once actually put to use from
orbit -becuase there would actually be a nuclear weapon going off!
Now go away.
Ralph
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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26 Apr 2007 11:20:00 PM |
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On Apr 26, 4:19 am, Ralph_S <ralph.savelsb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
Yes or no?
There probably are, but I think you should be doing a little reading
on directed energy weapons and I don't mean the ones in Star Trek.
When thinking of lasers, in order to get a sufficiently large ammount
of energy through the earth's atmosphere from orbit (if at all
possible, thermal blooming might actually prevent it) you're going to
need a truly massive power supply up in orbit as well. The heat from a
10kg ball of Plutonium wouldn't do.
what, like.. the /sun/?
Particle beams (firing anything other than photons) are simply no use
for what you suggest has happened whatsoever, since there's not a
snowflake's chance in hell of one penetrating the atmosphere.
meteors, c=F2smic rays, neutr=F2ns, dark matter, doof
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| User: "Ralph_S" |
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27 Apr 2007 03:24:37 AM |
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Autymn D. C. wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:19 am, Ralph_S <ralph.savelsb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
Yes or no?
There probably are, but I think you should be doing a little reading
on directed energy weapons and I don't mean the ones in Star Trek.
When thinking of lasers, in order to get a sufficiently large ammount
of energy through the earth's atmosphere from orbit (if at all
possible, thermal blooming might actually prevent it) you're going to
need a truly massive power supply up in orbit as well. The heat from a
10kg ball of Plutonium wouldn't do.
what, like.. the /sun/?
Don't be daft. The sun is a little more than a 10kg ball of
plutonium.
Particle beams (firing anything other than photons) are simply no use
for what you suggest has happened whatsoever, since there's not a
snowflake's chance in hell of one penetrating the atmosphere.
meteors, c=F2smic rays, neutr=F2ns, dark matter, doof
I was referring to particle beams in a weapons sense. I didn't mean
that there are no particles that can penetrate the atmosphere.
Particle beams in the weapons sense would involve atomic particles.
They were only considered for use outside of the atmosphere, because
the atmosphere would absorb them.
The suggstion in the message that I responded to was that the WTC was
destroyed by a space based directed energy weapon, which is utter BS
for at leaste these two reasons:
1) there's no way to get enough power -at least not without having
either a fairly large nuclear powerplant in orbit (currently not
feasable) or without an actual nuclear weapons detonation.
2) even if you were to have a large ammount of power, a particle beam
would be pretty much useless, since it wouldn't penetrate the
atmosphere.
If there's anything there that you don't agree with, let me know.
Otherwise I've spent more than enough words on this topic.
Ralph
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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28 Apr 2007 01:28:28 AM |
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On Apr 27, 1:24 am, Ralph_S <ralph.savelsb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Autymn D. C. wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:19 am, Ralph_S <ralph.savelsb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
Yes or no?
There probably are, but I think you should be doing a little reading
on directed energy weapons and I don't mean the ones in Star Trek.
When thinking of lasers, in order to get a sufficiently large ammount
of energy through the earth's atmosphere from orbit (if at all
possible, thermal blooming might actually prevent it) you're going to
need a truly massive power supply up in orbit as well. The heat from a
10kg ball of Plutonium wouldn't do.
what, like.. the /sun/?
Don't be daft. The sun is a little more than a 10kg ball of
plutonium.
But it's already there.
Particle beams (firing anything other than photons) are simply no use
for what you suggest has happened whatsoever, since there's not a
snowflake's chance in hell of one penetrating the atmosphere.
meteors, c=F2smic rays, neutr=F2ns, dark matter, doof
I was referring to particle beams in a weapons sense. I didn't mean
that there are no particles that can penetrate the atmosphere.
Particle beams in the weapons sense would involve atomic particles.
They were only considered for use outside of the atmosphere, because
the atmosphere would absorb them.
Some of those make atoms.
The suggstion in the message that I responded to was that the WTC was
destroyed by a space based directed energy weapon, which is utter BS
for at leaste these two reasons:
1) there's no way to get enough power -at least not without having
either a fairly large nuclear powerplant in orbit (currently not
feasable) or without an actual nuclear weapons detonation.
But it's /already/ up there!
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| User: "Ralph_S" |
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| Title: Re: space-based directed-energy weapons |
28 Apr 2007 02:56:32 AM |
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Autymn D. C. wrote:
On Apr 27, 1:24 am, Ralph_S <ralph.savelsb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Autymn D. C. wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:19 am, Ralph_S <ralph.savelsb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Are there currently devices in earth orbit
that contain highly enriched nuclear material
exceeding ten kilogrammes?
Yes or no?
There probably are, but I think you should be doing a little reading
on directed energy weapons and I don't mean the ones in Star Trek.
When thinking of lasers, in order to get a sufficiently large ammou=
nt
of energy through the earth's atmosphere from orbit (if at all
possible, thermal blooming might actually prevent it) you're going =
to
need a truly massive power supply up in orbit as well. The heat fro=
m a
10kg ball of Plutonium wouldn't do.
what, like.. the /sun/?
Don't be daft. The sun is a little more than a 10kg ball of
plutonium.
But it's already there.
Particle beams (firing anything other than photons) are simply no u=
se
for what you suggest has happened whatsoever, since there's not a
snowflake's chance in hell of one penetrating the atmosphere.
meteors, c=F2smic rays, neutr=F2ns, dark matter, doof
I was referring to particle beams in a weapons sense. I didn't mean
that there are no particles that can penetrate the atmosphere.
Particle beams in the weapons sense would involve atomic particles.
They were only considered for use outside of the atmosphere, because
the atmosphere would absorb them.
Some of those make atoms.
Make atoms? Sure, a meteor is composed of atoms. I doubt a neutron
beam would penetrate much. A dark matter beam? Will my tin-foil hat
protect me from that ;-) ?
The suggstion in the message that I responded to was that the WTC was
destroyed by a space based directed energy weapon, which is utter BS
for at leaste these two reasons:
1) there's no way to get enough power -at least not without having
either a fairly large nuclear powerplant in orbit (currently not
feasable) or without an actual nuclear weapons detonation.
But it's /already/ up there!
All right. Let's here it then, how would you use the sun to power a
orbital beam weapon to destroy the WTC? Do you think that is plausible
or even feasible? I certainly don't.
Mind you, the suggestion in the original message was that whatever was
allegedly used is already up there and nobody's noticed before -apart,
of course, from the conspiracy theorists.
Ralph
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| User: "Schrecken" |
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26 Apr 2007 11:13:04 PM |
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It seems to me that if such a thing was true, someone surely would
have noticed - I can't think of any instance where something is in the
path of a truly high powered laser (even one with an invisible
wavelength) that it wouldn't be noticeable. Metal would begin to glow
and melt, flammables would burn, etc....and if it was allegedly done
after the towers were struck, I dare say that no laser could penetrate
all that smoke and dust....
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| User: "Pat B." |
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25 Apr 2007 07:12:15 PM |
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On Apr 23, 5:57 pm, wrote:
Re: US (and Russian) space-based directed-energy weapons.
Putin recently said: "Star wars is no longer a fantasy - it is a
reality."http://www.securityconference.de/konferenzen/rede.php?sprache=en&id=179
I trust you have heard about the astonishing 'exploding cars' during
the collapse
of the World Trade Center:
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-insid...
and the "melted cars" http://www.google.com/search?q=wtc+%22melted+cars
Any comments would be appreciated
My speculations are here:http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-electron-laser-toast...http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/01/estonia-particle-weapon-p...
TIn Foil Hats $5.00 ea respond if interested.
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| User: "BogusID" |
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26 Apr 2007 10:49:38 AM |
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"Pat B." <laserman@bendcable.com> wrote in message
news:1177546335.459204.192220@r35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 23, 5:57 pm, wrote:
Re: US (and Russian) space-based directed-energy weapons.
Putin recently said: "Star wars is no longer a fantasy - it is a
reality."http://www.securityconference.de/konferenzen/rede.php?sprache=en&id=179
I trust you have heard about the astonishing 'exploding cars' during
the collapse
of the World Trade Center:
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-insid...
and the "melted cars" http://www.google.com/search?q=wtc+%22melted+cars
Any comments would be appreciated
My speculations are
here:http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-electron-laser-toast...http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/01/estonia-particle-weapon-p...
TIn Foil Hats $5.00 ea respond if interested.
Yes, get yours today!
<http://zapatopi.net/afdb/>
Leave it to someone at MIT to do an empirical study on the primary
designs...
<http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/>
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| User: "Pat B." |
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| Title: Re: space-based directed-energy weapons |
26 Apr 2007 02:50:54 PM |
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On Apr 26, 8:49 am, "BogusID" <Bogu...@YesItIs.com> wrote:
"Pat B." <laser...@bendcable.com> wrote in message
news:1177546335.459204.192220@r35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 23, 5:57 pm, wrote:
Re: US (and Russian) space-based directed-energy weapons.
Putin recently said: "Star wars is no longer a fantasy - it is a
reality."http://www.securityconference.de/konferenzen/rede.php?sprache=en&id=179
I trust you have heard about the astonishing 'exploding cars' during
the collapse
of the World Trade Center:
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-insid...
and the "melted cars" http://www.google.com/search?q=wtc+%22melted+cars
Any comments would be appreciated
My speculations are
here:http://u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-electron-laser-toast......
TIn Foil Hats $5.00 ea respond if interested.
Yes, get yours today!
<http://zapatopi.net/afdb/>
Leave it to someone at MIT to do an empirical study on the primary
designs...
<http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/>
ROTFLMAO!!!
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