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"Ralph Sansbury" |
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10 Apr 2004 01:21:27 PM |
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Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
The Excel spreadsheets
here(http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/Doppler) ,
show Doppler evidence that light speed delay from distant spacecraft
supposedly hours away is less than a minute and not the speed of light
times the distance to the spacecraft. The position of the craft at
every minute since launch is determined from Newtonian forces of the
sun and the planets on the craft and from the initial and later
rocket thrusts.
The last column of the sun14 spreadsheet here shows the radiation
received each minute on Oct 7 1987 from 21:15 to 22:45 at Madrid.(see
footnote 1) The preceding column shows the predicted Doppler shifted
transmitted radiation if the radiation was transmitted and received in
a few seconds. In all cases but one or two where the transmitter at
the receiving site was not on, these values are much closer to the
received radiation than the column preceding that one which shows the
predicted shift if the radiation was transmitted 11.5 hours before
from the transmission site, LA in this example, according to the
conventional speed of light delay assumption.
The reason for these different predictions is the different earth
spin motions and slightly different earth orbital motions at the
different times of transmission and reception according to the two
different assumptions. George Dishman convinced me that the high
accuracy of the phase locked loops and other electronic-mathematical
techniques used in obtaining the received carrier radiation might
provide a second valid test.of my hypothesis versus the conventional
light time delay hypothesis(see web page for first test which showed
the receiver had to be exposed to the emitter during the time of
emission).
The spreadsheet shows the equations used and the following links
and notes show how to replicate my analysis with the available data.
The data on Pioneer 10 has been archived by John Anderson who showed
with this data the small systematic and still unexplained anomalous
acceleration of Pioneer 10 toward the sun.
footnote 1 According to p8 of the Anderson link below, <<the
current transmitter signal from the exciter is multiplied by 240/221
and a bias of 1MHz is added to the Doppler.>> That is 96 times
240/221 times the tr/ex frequency which is item 116 in the tracking
records minus the Doppler cumulative count difference calculated from
items 31 and 32 in the tracking record plus 10^6 which is item 20 in
the tracking record.
Ralph Sansbury
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| User: "Kees Roos" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 11:38:45 PM |
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"Ralph Sansbury" <r9ns@bestweb.net> schreef in bericht
news:e988316b.0404101021.2ca8bf58@posting.google.com...
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
The Excel spreadsheets
here(http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/Doppler) ,
show Doppler evidence that light speed delay from distant spacecraft
supposedly hours away is less than a minute and not the speed of light
times the distance to the spacecraft.
Actually that's not lightspeed delay either. You have to divide the distance
by lightspeed to calculate the delay.
[snip]
Ralph Sansbury
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Regards, Kees Roos
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| User: "Paul B. Andersen" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
13 Apr 2004 09:14:29 AM |
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"Ralph Sansbury" <r9ns@bestweb.net> skrev i melding news:e988316b.0404101021.2ca8bf58@posting.google.com...
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
The Excel spreadsheets
here(http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/Doppler) ,
show Doppler evidence that light speed delay from distant spacecraft
supposedly hours away is less than a minute and not the speed of light
times the distance to the spacecraft. The position of the craft at
every minute since launch is determined from Newtonian forces of the
sun and the planets on the craft and from the initial and later
rocket thrusts.
The last column of the sun14 spreadsheet here shows the radiation
received each minute on Oct 7 1987 from 21:15 to 22:45 at Madrid.(see
footnote 1) The preceding column shows the predicted Doppler shifted
transmitted radiation if the radiation was transmitted and received in
a few seconds. In all cases but one or two where the transmitter at
the receiving site was not on, these values are much closer to the
received radiation than the column preceding that one which shows the
predicted shift if the radiation was transmitted 11.5 hours before
from the transmission site, LA in this example, according to the
conventional speed of light delay assumption.
The reason for these different predictions is the different earth
spin motions and slightly different earth orbital motions at the
different times of transmission and reception according to the two
different assumptions. George Dishman convinced me that the high
accuracy of the phase locked loops and other electronic-mathematical
techniques used in obtaining the received carrier radiation might
provide a second valid test.of my hypothesis versus the conventional
light time delay hypothesis(see web page for first test which showed
the receiver had to be exposed to the emitter during the time of
emission).
The spreadsheet shows the equations used and the following links
and notes show how to replicate my analysis with the available data.
The data on Pioneer 10 has been archived by John Anderson who showed
with this data the small systematic and still unexplained anomalous
acceleration of Pioneer 10 toward the sun.
footnote 1 According to p8 of the Anderson link below, <<the
current transmitter signal from the exciter is multiplied by 240/221
and a bias of 1MHz is added to the Doppler.>> That is 96 times
240/221 times the tr/ex frequency which is item 116 in the tracking
records minus the Doppler cumulative count difference calculated from
items 31 and 32 in the tracking record plus 10^6 which is item 20 in
the tracking record.
Ralph Sansbury
There should be no delay in the change in Doppler shift due
to the spin and orbital motion of the Earth.
When YOU accelerate, the Doppler shift YOU observe
will change immediately.
Paul
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
11 Apr 2004 05:28:24 AM |
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"Ralph Sansbury" <r9ns@bestweb.net> wrote in message
news:e988316b.0404101021.2ca8bf58@posting.google.com...
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
The Excel spreadsheets
here(http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/Doppler) ,
show Doppler evidence that light speed delay from distant spacecraft
supposedly hours away is less than a minute and not the speed of
light
times the distance to the spacecraft.
If the rest of your note is as thickly studded with crap as the line
above, it will not be worth reading, except to point out that you are
still as much of an arse as you have so consistently been in the past.
Franz
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| User: "Stephen H. Westin" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
13 Apr 2004 09:01:42 AM |
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(Ralph Sansbury) writes:
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
The Excel spreadsheets
here(http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/Doppler) ,
show Doppler evidence that light speed delay from distant spacecraft
supposedly hours away is less than a minute and not the speed of light
times the distance to the spacecraft. The position of the craft at
every minute since launch is determined from Newtonian forces of the
sun and the planets on the craft and from the initial and later
rocket thrusts.
The last column of the sun14 spreadsheet here shows the radiation
received each minute on Oct 7 1987 from 21:15 to 22:45 at Madrid.(see
footnote 1)
But Ralph, doesn't the computer system get confused about which
antenna was receiving? That's what you told us before. Then you can't
really be sure that the signal was received at Madrid, can you?
Really, Ralph, I think there is some sort of treatment that can help
you. Please try and find it.
<snip>
--
-Stephen H. Westin
Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not
represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.
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| User: "xxein" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 06:20:27 PM |
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(Ralph Sansbury) wrote in message news:<e988316b.0404101021.2ca8bf58@posting.google.com>...
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
The Excel spreadsheets
here(http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/Doppler) ,
show Doppler evidence that light speed delay from distant spacecraft
supposedly hours away is less than a minute and not the speed of light
times the distance to the spacecraft. The position of the craft at
every minute since launch is determined from Newtonian forces of the
sun and the planets on the craft and from the initial and later
rocket thrusts.
The last column of the sun14 spreadsheet here shows the radiation
received each minute on Oct 7 1987 from 21:15 to 22:45 at Madrid.(see
footnote 1) The preceding column shows the predicted Doppler shifted
transmitted radiation if the radiation was transmitted and received in
a few seconds. In all cases but one or two where the transmitter at
the receiving site was not on, these values are much closer to the
received radiation than the column preceding that one which shows the
predicted shift if the radiation was transmitted 11.5 hours before
from the transmission site, LA in this example, according to the
conventional speed of light delay assumption.
The reason for these different predictions is the different earth
spin motions and slightly different earth orbital motions at the
different times of transmission and reception according to the two
different assumptions. George Dishman convinced me that the high
accuracy of the phase locked loops and other electronic-mathematical
techniques used in obtaining the received carrier radiation might
provide a second valid test.of my hypothesis versus the conventional
light time delay hypothesis(see web page for first test which showed
the receiver had to be exposed to the emitter during the time of
emission).
The spreadsheet shows the equations used and the following links
and notes show how to replicate my analysis with the available data.
The data on Pioneer 10 has been archived by John Anderson who showed
with this data the small systematic and still unexplained anomalous
acceleration of Pioneer 10 toward the sun.
footnote 1 According to p8 of the Anderson link below, <<the
current transmitter signal from the exciter is multiplied by 240/221
and a bias of 1MHz is added to the Doppler.>> That is 96 times
240/221 times the tr/ex frequency which is item 116 in the tracking
records minus the Doppler cumulative count difference calculated from
items 31 and 32 in the tracking record plus 10^6 which is item 20 in
the tracking record.
Ralph Sansbury
xxein: You are more than f****ing nuts.
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| User: "Bob May" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 08:27:52 PM |
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Hi Ralphie IFS, Are you still trying to figure out how much an atom can
store in the way of info at one time?
Face it, light takes time to go somewhere! It goes fast, but it still takes
time.
--
Bob May
Losing weight is easy! If you ever want to lose weight, eat and drink less.
Works every time it is tried!
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| User: "Ian Stirling" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 03:28:19 PM |
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In sci.optics Ralph Sansbury <r9ns@bestweb.net> wrote:
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
Hmm, I thought you might have passed away.
Another hope dashed.
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| User: "xxein" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 09:21:17 PM |
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Ian Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<DNYdc.29001$h44.4124876@stones.force9.net>...
In sci.optics Ralph Sansbury <r9ns@bestweb.net> wrote:
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
Hmm, I thought you might have passed away.
Another hope dashed.
xxein: I must have shot and missed. My fault.
But seriously, folks...
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 07:00:14 PM |
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In sci.physics, Ralph Sansbury
<r9ns@bestweb.net>
wrote
on 10 Apr 2004 11:21:27 -0700
<e988316b.0404101021.2ca8bf58@posting.google.com>:
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
The Excel spreadsheets
here(http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/Doppler) ,
show Doppler evidence that light speed delay from distant spacecraft
supposedly hours away is less than a minute and not the speed of light
times the distance to the spacecraft.
Actually, it's less than that -- subjective; a light ray crosses
the Universe in an instant. Of course, we see it from a slightly
different vantage point, and for us we see it taking billions
of years.
Erm, did you forget an "index.htm" or "index.html" file?
I'm seeing a C++ program, a Microsoft Word dcument (not
exactly standard, that), and an Excel spreadsheet.
The program is not all that readable, and
is littered with magic numbers and Microsoft-specific paths.
[rest snipped]
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 02:12:00 PM |
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Ralph Sansbury wrote:
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
The Excel spreadsheets
here(http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/Doppler) ,
show Doppler evidence that light speed delay from distant spacecraft
supposedly hours away is less than a minute and not the speed of light
times the distance to the spacecraft.
[snip]
HEY STOOOPID!
1) Lunar laser ranging.
2) Mars buggies.
3) Voyager spacecraft.
4) Jupiter mission
5) Saturn mission
6) Hipparcos
7) Live Media conversations bounced off a geosat.
8) Use a tickey-tock watch with a second hand
If empirical reality says you are a braying jackass, you are an
empirical braying jackass.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 05:20:59 PM |
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HEY STOOOPID!
1) Lunar laser ranging.
2) Mars buggies.
3) Voyager spacecraft.
4) Jupiter mission
5) Saturn mission
6) Hipparcos
7) Live Media conversations bounced off a geosat.
8) Use a tickey-tock watch with a second hand
If empirical reality says you are a braying jackass, you are
an
empirical braying jackass, you are stooopid *****, Schwartz!
Androcles
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| User: "Louis Boyd" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 02:28:11 PM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Ralph Sansbury wrote:
DOPPLER TEST OF LIGHT SPEED DELAY FROM DISTANT SPACECRAFT
The Excel spreadsheets
here(http://www.bestweb.net/~sansbury/Doppler) ,
show Doppler evidence that light speed delay from distant spacecraft
supposedly hours away is less than a minute and not the speed of light
times the distance to the spacecraft.
[snip]
HEY STOOOPID!
1) Lunar laser ranging.
2) Mars buggies.
3) Voyager spacecraft.
4) Jupiter mission
5) Saturn mission
6) Hipparcos
7) Live Media conversations bounced off a geosat.
8) Use a tickey-tock watch with a second hand
If empirical reality says you are a braying jackass, you are an
empirical braying jackass.
Stop insulting male donkeys!
--
Lou Boyd
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 05:21:51 PM |
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Dont waste you time on the flaming idiot.
Androcles
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Spacecraft Doppler test of light speed delay |
10 Apr 2004 04:23:42 PM |
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Ralph Sansbury wrote:
The data on Pioneer 10 has been archived by John Anderson who showed
with this data the small systematic and still unexplained anomalous
acceleration of Pioneer 10 toward the sun.
Folks should read at the papers
http://www.google.com/search?q=pioneer+10+site%3AarXiv.org
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