Science > Physics > Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones
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Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in temperature
distribution of the cosmic background radiation are LIGHT CONES
(mathematically said: sphere "cut" cone = spot).
Hannu
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| User: "Androcles" |
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19 Jul 2007 10:32:05 AM |
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"Hannu Poropudas" <haporopu@luukku.com> wrote in message
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: Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in temperature
: distribution of the cosmic background radiation are LIGHT CONES
: (mathematically said: sphere "cut" cone = spot).
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: Hannu
What kind of mathematics is that, then?
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| User: "mathematician" |
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21 Jul 2007 01:01:07 PM |
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On Jul 19, 6:32 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
"Hannu Poropudas" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:1184857843.592744.118480@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
: Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in temperature
: distribution of the cosmic background radiation are LIGHT CONES
: (mathematically said: sphere "cut" cone = spot).
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: Hannu
What kind of mathematics is that, then?
sphere "cut" cone = spot
The "set theory" is in that, but really "cut" = "intersection"
more mathemaically said.
Sphere "intersection" cone = spot
Hannu
Hannu
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| User: "Androcles" |
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21 Jul 2007 02:24:48 PM |
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"mathematician" <haporopu@luukku.com> wrote in message
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: On Jul 19, 6:32 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > "Hannu Poropudas" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
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: > news:1184857843.592744.118480@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
: > : Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in temperature
: > : distribution of the cosmic background radiation are LIGHT CONES
: > : (mathematically said: sphere "cut" cone = spot).
: > :
: > : Hannu
: > What kind of mathematics is that, then?
:
: sphere "cut" cone = spot
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: The "set theory" is in that, but really "cut" = "intersection"
: more mathemaically said.
:
: Sphere "intersection" cone = spot
Oh, I see... Is this what a Hannu spot looks like?
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/spot.jpg
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| User: "mathematician" |
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21 Jul 2007 03:13:43 PM |
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On Jul 21, 10:24 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
"mathematician" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
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: On Jul 19, 6:32 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > "Hannu Poropudas" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
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: >news:1184857843.592744.118480@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
: > : Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in temperature
: > : distribution of the cosmic background radiation are LIGHT CONES
: > : (mathematically said: sphere "cut" cone = spot).
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: > : Hannu
: > What kind of mathematics is that, then?
:
: sphere "cut" cone = spot
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: The "set theory" is in that, but really "cut" = "intersection"
: more mathemaically said.
:
: Sphere "intersection" cone = spot
Oh, I see... Is this what a Hannu spot looks like?
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/spot.jpg
NO, Please take a look (ONLY for the idea of the spot):
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_04.htm
Hannu
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| User: "Androcles" |
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21 Jul 2007 03:38:31 PM |
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"mathematician" <haporopu@luukku.com> wrote in message
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: On Jul 21, 10:24 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > "mathematician" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
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: > news:1185040867.386853.224730@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
: > : On Jul 19, 6:32 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > : > "Hannu Poropudas" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
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: > : >news:1184857843.592744.118480@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
: > : > : Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in temperature
: > : > : distribution of the cosmic background radiation are LIGHT CONES
: > : > : (mathematically said: sphere "cut" cone = spot).
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: > : > : Hannu
: > : > What kind of mathematics is that, then?
: > :
: > : sphere "cut" cone = spot
: > :
: > : The "set theory" is in that, but really "cut" = "intersection"
: > : more mathemaically said.
: > :
: > : Sphere "intersection" cone = spot
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: > Oh, I see... Is this what a Hannu spot looks like?
: > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/spot.jpg
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: NO, Please take a look (ONLY for the idea of the spot):
It IS the intersection of a cone and a sphere, so it must be a spot.
: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_04.htm
Those are all 2D sketches, totally worthless trash.
Oh, wait. UCLA... that explains it.
Just after "Details: Large-Scale Structure and Anisotropy"
it says: "Of course the Universe is not really homogeneous, since it
contains dense regions like galaxies and people. "
Are you one of the dense people?
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| User: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \dlzc" |
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19 Jul 2007 07:34:20 PM |
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Dear Hannu Poropudas:
"Hannu Poropudas" <haporopu@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:1184857843.592744.118480@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in
temperature distribution of the cosmic background
radiation are LIGHT CONES (mathematically said:
sphere "cut" cone = spot).
Those same areas have galaxies that are equivalently red and blue
shifted. So NOT light cones... try instead "net relative
motion".
David A. Smith
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| User: "mathematician" |
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20 Jul 2007 08:24:04 AM |
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On Jul 20, 3:34 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <d...@aol.com>
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Dear Hannu Poropudas:
"Hannu Poropudas" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:1184857843.592744.118480@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in
temperature distribution of the cosmic background
radiation are LIGHT CONES (mathematically said:
sphere "cut" cone = spot).
"cut" = "intersection"
Those same areas have galaxies that are equivalently red and blue
shifted. So NOT light cones... try instead "net relative
motion".
David A. Smith
Inside of "heavens fire periphery" (take a look the picture measured
by the WMAP satellite about it) it is too HOT for your mentioned
galaxies.
Maybe those "static" light cones originates from some sets of
"cores of black-holes" ("core of black-hole"="diamond"= "neutrino
star").
Hannu
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| User: "George Dishman" |
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20 Jul 2007 09:32:06 AM |
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On 20 Jul, 14:24, mathematician <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
On Jul 20, 3:34 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <d...@aol.com>
wrote:
Dear Hannu Poropudas:
"Hannu Poropudas" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:1184857843.592744.118480@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in
temperature distribution of the cosmic background
radiation are LIGHT CONES (mathematically said:
sphere "cut" cone = spot).
"cut" = "intersection"
Those same areas have galaxies that are equivalently red and blue
shifted. So NOT light cones... try instead "net relative
motion".
Inside of "heavens fire periphery" (take a look the picture measured
by the WMAP satellite about it) it is too HOT for your mentioned
galaxies.
Maybe those "static" light cones originates from some sets of
"cores of black-holes" ("core of black-hole"="diamond"= "neutrino
star").
For goodness sake, find out what the words "light cone"
actually mean before writing any more nonsense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_cone
George
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| User: "Hannu Poropudas" |
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20 Jul 2007 11:47:11 AM |
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On Jul 20, 5:32 pm, George Dishman <geo...@briar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 20 Jul, 14:24, mathematician <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
On Jul 20, 3:34 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <d...@aol.com>
wrote:
Dear Hannu Poropudas:
"Hannu Poropudas" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:1184857843.592744.118480@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in
temperature distribution of the cosmic background
radiation are LIGHT CONES (mathematically said:
sphere "cut" cone =3D spot).
"cut" =3D "intersection"
Those same areas have galaxies that are equivalently red and blue
shifted. So NOT light cones... try instead "net relative
motion".
Inside of "heavens fire periphery" (take a look the picture measured
by the WMAP satellite about it) it is too HOT for your mentioned
galaxies.
Maybe those "static" light cones originates from some sets of
"cores of black-holes" ("core of black-hole"=3D"diamond"=3D "neutrino
star").
For goodness sake, find out what the words "light cone"
actually mean before writing any more nonsense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_cone
George
Please take a look yourself Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
about Inflation which gives you an idea what I'am trying to say.
I don't know surely what is origin of those lightcones in WMAP
picture but they are not quantum fluctuation events as is explained
in Ned's page and I don't agree here also the inflation model proposed
in Ned's page (copy of Ned's page here ONLY illustrates the lightcone
concept in GR and that what we as observers in GR see as a sky).
This is not nonsense.
Should you all should stop pointless "***** cranking" with our
present official explanations about WMAP picture ?
Please start investigate what I have said about the matter
due some real physical results could be achieved ?
Hannu
---COPY PARTLY BELOW----
Cosmology Tutorial
Edward L. (Ned) Wright
Astronomy
Office: P&A 3-909
Phone: (310)825-5755
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_04.htm
=A9 1996-2004 Edward L. Wright. Last modified 14 Sep 2004
---COPY PARTLY BELOW (FIGUREs are missing in this copy)----------
Part 4: Inflation; Anisotropy and Inhomogeneity
Inflation predicts a certain statistical pattern in the anisotropy.
The quantum fluctuations normally affect very small regions of space,
but the huge exponential expansion during the inflationary epoch makes
these tiny regions observable.
(-----FIGUREs are missing here----- )
The space-time diagram on the left above shows the future lightcones
of quantum fluctuation events. The top of this diagram is really a
volume which intersects our past lightcone making the sky. The future
lightcones of events become circles on the sky. Events early in the
inflationary epoch make large circles on the sky, as shown in the
bottom map on the right. Later events make smaller circles as shown in
the middle map, but there are more of them so the sky coverage is the
same as before. Even later events make many small circles which again
give the same sky coverage as seen on the top map.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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20 Jul 2007 08:40:56 PM |
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Hannu Poropudas wrote:
Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in temperature
distribution of the cosmic background radiation are LIGHT CONES
(mathematically said: sphere "cut" cone = spot).
Hannu
Forget about light cone--the spotting represent temperature variations is
the scattering of photons.
Some background on the background radiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation
Pay attention to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Primary_anisotropy
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| User: "Hannu Poropudas" |
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20 Jul 2007 10:43:41 PM |
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On Jul 21, 4:40 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Hannu Poropudas wrote:
Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in temperature
distribution of the cosmic background radiation are LIGHT CONES
(mathematically said: sphere "cut" cone = spot).
Hannu
Forget about light cone--the spotting represent temperature variations is
the scattering of photons.
Some background on the background radiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation
Pay attention to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Pr...
NO, Those wikipedia page explanations is lacking totally the point of
view
that inside "heaven's fire periphery" is full of "neutrino stars"
("neutrino star" = "core of black-hole" = "diamond" = "seed of
galaxy", these are
many different names to same object). There are also two different
types of
"neutrino stars". These are maybe groupped someway also to larger
groups.
One big collection of "neutrino stars" so called "great neutrino star"
is in the
center of the space. This must be also taken into account in the
correct model
of the Universe.
Please for GOD's sake try to take these also into account when
creating
the correct model of the Universe.
I have written about old H-M's drawings which are also related
to this question as also to numerous other questions of physics
and cosmology in the USENET since the year 1992.
So please read my writings and take into account also how
my picture of world have changed during these years and also take into
account what I'am as a learner due you could correct possibly existing
my own errors. H-M's drawings and my explanations written on them are
reliable.
Hannu
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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20 Jul 2007 10:53:13 PM |
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Hannu Poropudas wrote:
On Jul 21, 4:40 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Forget about light cone--the spotting represent temperature variations is
the scattering of photons.
Some background on the background radiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation
Pay attention to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Primary_anisotropy
NO, Those wikipedia page explanations is lacking totally the point of
view that inside "heaven's fire periphery" is full of "neutrino stars"
("neutrino star" = "core of black-hole" = "diamond" = "seed of galaxy", these are
many different names to same object). There are also two different types of
"neutrino stars". These are maybe groupped someway also to larger groups.
One big collection of "neutrino stars" so called "great neutrino star" is in the
center of the space. This must be also taken into account in the correct model
of the Universe.
The CMB is from an era in the universe before stars or galaxies had a
chance to form.
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| User: "mathematician" |
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20 Jul 2007 11:00:46 PM |
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On Jul 21, 6:53 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Hannu Poropudas wrote:
On Jul 21, 4:40 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Forget about light cone--the spotting represent temperature variations is
the scattering of photons.
Some background on the background radiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation
Pay attention to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Pr...
NO, Those wikipedia page explanations is lacking totally the point of
view that inside "heaven's fire periphery" is full of "neutrino stars"
("neutrino star" = "core of black-hole" = "diamond" = "seed of galaxy", these are
many different names to same object). There are also two different types of
"neutrino stars". These are maybe groupped someway also to larger groups.
One big collection of "neutrino stars" so called "great neutrino star" is in the
center of the space. This must be also taken into account in the correct model
of the Universe.
The CMB is from an era in the universe before stars or galaxies had a
chance to form.
"Neutrino star" is NO ordinary star. Ordinary stars cannot exist
inside "heaven's
fire periphery" due there is too HOT.
Hannu
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| User: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \dlzc" |
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20 Jul 2007 11:58:21 PM |
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Dear mathematician:
"mathematician" <haporopu@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:1184990446.199594.177160@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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"Neutrino star" is NO ordinary star. Ordinary stars
cannot exist inside "heaven's fire periphery" due
there is too HOT.
The CMBR emission came not so much from a "where", but a "when".
At that time, the anisotropy in the distribution of matter was
evidently not high enough to have very many, or very large
"neutrino stars".
What is more, we cannot resolve objects at the age/distance of
the CMBR. Anything we can resolve at this distance, with today's
instrumentation (such as WMAP which you mentioned) *might* be
able to resolve a supercluster... nothing like you imagine.
If there were "neutrino stars" back then, we may have to wait for
"neutrino imaging"... and longer still for such fine resolution.
For Sam...
there are some 400 hits on google for
"neutrino star" -2007
.... which eliminates Hannu's current fixation from the mix.
A supernova briefly becomes a "neutrino star" just before blowing
its top.
David A. Smith
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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21 Jul 2007 07:39:19 AM |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear mathematician:
"mathematician" <haporopu@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:1184990446.199594.177160@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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"Neutrino star" is NO ordinary star. Ordinary stars
cannot exist inside "heaven's fire periphery" due
there is too HOT.
The CMBR emission came not so much from a "where", but a "when".
At that time, the anisotropy in the distribution of matter was
evidently not high enough to have very many, or very large
"neutrino stars".
What is more, we cannot resolve objects at the age/distance of
the CMBR. Anything we can resolve at this distance, with today's
instrumentation (such as WMAP which you mentioned) *might* be
able to resolve a supercluster... nothing like you imagine.
If there were "neutrino stars" back then, we may have to wait for
"neutrino imaging"... and longer still for such fine resolution.
For Sam...
there are some 400 hits on google for
"neutrino star" -2007
... which eliminates Hannu's current fixation from the mix.
A supernova briefly becomes a "neutrino star" just before blowing
its top.
David A. Smith
Thanks David--I remember SN 1987A well and the captured neutrino's.
I remember a colleague at Iowa State commenting about the supernova
and my response of sisappointment that it was so far away... that
was *before* I had learned of the
11 Anti-Neutrinos detected in the Kamiokande II Detector, Feb 23, 1987
7h 35m 35s UTC (± 1 min) (Start)
8 Anti-Neutrinos detected in the Irvine-Michigan-Brookhaven (IMB)
Detector, Feb 23, 1987 7h 35m 41.37s UT (± 10 ms) (Start) .
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| User: "mathematician" |
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21 Jul 2007 10:57:43 AM |
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On Jul 21, 3:39 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear mathematician:
"mathematician" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:1184990446.199594.177160@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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"Neutrino star" is NO ordinary star. Ordinary stars
cannot exist inside "heaven's fire periphery" due
there is too HOT.
The CMBR emission came not so much from a "where", but a "when".
At that time, the anisotropy in the distribution of matter was
evidently not high enough to have very many, or very large
"neutrino stars".
What is more, we cannot resolve objects at the age/distance of
the CMBR. Anything we can resolve at this distance, with today's
instrumentation (such as WMAP which you mentioned) *might* be
able to resolve a supercluster... nothing like you imagine.
If there were "neutrino stars" back then, we may have to wait for
"neutrino imaging"... and longer still for such fine resolution.
For Sam...
there are some 400 hits on google for
"neutrino star" -2007
... which eliminates Hannu's current fixation from the mix.
A supernova briefly becomes a "neutrino star" just before blowing
its top.
David A. Smith
Thanks David--I remember SN 1987A well and the captured neutrino's.
I remember a colleague at Iowa State commenting about the supernova
and my response of sisappointment that it was so far away... that
was *before* I had learned of the
11 Anti-Neutrinos detected in the Kamiokande II Detector, Feb 23, 1987
7h 35m 35s UTC (=B1 1 min) (Start)
8 Anti-Neutrinos detected in the Irvine-Michigan-Brookhaven (IMB)
Detector, Feb 23, 1987 7h 35m 41.37s UT (=B1 10 ms) (Start) .
I think that you are only wasting your time with above mentioned
references ?
They are possible pointless "***** cranking" in this case if they
don't
take into account old H-M's drawings and also what I have written
about
those old H-M's drawings.
Hannu
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21 Jul 2007 06:37:56 PM |
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mathematician wrote:
Thanks David--I remember SN 1987A well and the captured neutrino's.
I remember a colleague at Iowa State commenting about the supernova
and my response of disappointment that it was so far away... that
was *before* I had learned of the
11 Anti-Neutrinos detected in the Kamiokande II Detector, Feb 23, 1987
7h 35m 35s UTC (± 1 min) (Start)
8 Anti-Neutrinos detected in the Irvine-Michigan-Brookhaven (IMB)
Detector, Feb 23, 1987 7h 35m 41.37s UT (± 10 ms) (Start) .
I think that you are only wasting your time with above mentioned
references ?
What reference are you referring to?
They are possible pointless "***** cranking" in this case if they don't
take into account old H-M's drawings and also what I have written about
those old H-M's drawings.
Hannu
It was noted that a kill file is too good for you, Hannu. You have an
***** hole, so I suppose you have an opinion about kill files. They are
sort of like black holes... In principle you can't see the kill filed
behind the event horizon. Out of sight out of mind.
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| User: "mathematician" |
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21 Jul 2007 10:33:17 PM |
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On Jul 22, 2:37 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
mathematician wrote:
Thanks David--I remember SN 1987A well and the captured neutrino's.
I remember a colleague at Iowa State commenting about the supernova
and my response of disappointment that it was so far away... that
was *before* I had learned of the
11 Anti-Neutrinos detected in the Kamiokande II Detector, Feb 23, =
1987
7h 35m 35s UTC (=B1 1 min) (Start)
8 Anti-Neutrinos detected in the Irvine-Michigan-Brookhaven (IMB)
Detector, Feb 23, 1987 7h 35m 41.37s UT (=B1 10 ms) (Start) .
I think that you are only wasting your time with above mentioned
references ?
What reference are you referring to?
They are possible pointless "***** cranking" in this case if they do=
n't
take into account old H-M's drawings and also what I have written about
those old H-M's drawings.
Hannu
It was noted that a kill file is too good for you, Hannu. You have an
***** hole, so I suppose you have an opinion about kill files. They are
sort of like black holes... In principle you can't see the kill filed
behind the event horizon. Out of sight out of mind.
Your opinions are like REAR END you sit on your own.
Hannu
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| User: "mathematician" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 12:55:08 AM |
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On Jul 21, 7:58 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <d...@aol.com>
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Dear mathematician:
"mathematician" <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:1184990446.199594.177160@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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"Neutrino star" is NO ordinary star. Ordinary stars
cannot exist inside "heaven's fire periphery" due
there is too HOT.
The CMBR emission came not so much from a "where", but a "when".
At that time, the anisotropy in the distribution of matter was
evidently not high enough to have very many, or very large
"neutrino stars".
NO, You have all from DOWN UNDER.
I try to remember again those old H-M's drawings and my
writins about them:
At the beginning there were first these "neutrino stars" and
the "great neutrino star" (GOD crated this and then threw
this "great neutrino star" into the center of space I have
understood that this means a time-dimension structure
of a pseudosphere of finite long) and the
"small companion planet" [="center of coordinative color
electricity signals" (four different colors of
"color electricity flash of lightnings" was drawn in one
old H-M's drawing.
GOD created this "small companion planet" with color
elctricity flash of lighning] this has possible also some
sort of "neutrino structure" (this "small companion planet"
consists possible of "small diamonds") I don't know)
of this "great neutrino star".
Two types of QUARKS (totally FOUR different types
of significant quarks exists) are born due two types of interactions
of these "neutrino stars". "Neutrino star" has a "color elctricity
flame" around it which destroys neutrinos (changes their "color
electricity" to "black color electricity" = "no color electricity").
I'am not sure that have those two remaining quark types
which have no "color electricity scratches" in H-M's one old
drawing origin from the second type of "neutrino star"
(I don't know that is its origin from the "previous phase"
of our oscillating type of Universe ???).
Please take more details from my old writing about H-M's
old drawings.
Hannu
What is more, we cannot resolve objects at the age/distance of
the CMBR. Anything we can resolve at this distance, with today's
instrumentation (such as WMAP which you mentioned) *might* be
able to resolve a supercluster... nothing like you imagine.
If there were "neutrino stars" back then, we may have to wait for
"neutrino imaging"... and longer still for such fine resolution.
For Sam...
there are some 400 hits on google for
"neutrino star" -2007
... which eliminates Hannu's current fixation from the mix.
A supernova briefly becomes a "neutrino star" just before blowing
its top.
David A. Smith
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
20 Jul 2007 11:20:40 PM |
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mathematician wrote:
On Jul 21, 6:53 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Hannu Poropudas wrote:
On Jul 21, 4:40 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Forget about light cone--the spotting represent temperature variations is
the scattering of photons.
Some background on the background radiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation
Pay attention to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Pr...
NO, Those wikipedia page explanations is lacking totally the point of
view that inside "heaven's fire periphery" is full of "neutrino stars"
("neutrino star" = "core of black-hole" = "diamond" = "seed of galaxy", these are
many different names to same object). There are also two different types of
"neutrino stars". These are maybe groupped someway also to larger groups.
One big collection of "neutrino stars" so called "great neutrino star" is in the
center of the space. This must be also taken into account in the correct model
of the Universe.
The CMB is from an era in the universe before stars or galaxies had a
chance to form.
"Neutrino star" is NO ordinary star. Ordinary stars cannot exist
inside "heaven's
fire periphery" due there is too HOT.
Hannu
Sounds cranky.
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| User: "Hannu Poropudas" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 08:47:23 AM |
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On Jul 21, 7:20 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
mathematician wrote:
On Jul 21, 6:53 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Hannu Poropudas wrote:
On Jul 21, 4:40 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Forget about light cone--the spotting represent temperature variations is
the scattering of photons.
Some background on the background radiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation
Pay attention to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Pr...
NO, Those wikipedia page explanations is lacking totally the point of
view that inside "heaven's fire periphery" is full of "neutrino stars"
("neutrino star" = "core of black-hole" = "diamond" = "seed of galaxy", these are
many different names to same object). There are also two different types of
"neutrino stars". These are maybe groupped someway also to larger groups.
One big collection of "neutrino stars" so called "great neutrino star" is in the
center of the space. This must be also taken into account in the correct model
of the Universe.
The CMB is from an era in the universe before stars or galaxies had a
chance to form.
"Neutrino star" is NO ordinary star. Ordinary stars cannot exist
inside "heaven's
fire periphery" due there is too HOT.
Hannu
Sounds cranky.
I think you should give up your position
as a real physicist who tries to find the
ruth from the nature ?
Hannu
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 08:56:49 AM |
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Hannu Poropudas wrote:
I think you should give up your position
as a real physicist who tries to find the
ruth from the nature ?
Hannu
Example please.
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| User: "mathematician" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 10:45:01 AM |
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On Jul 21, 4:56 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Hannu Poropudas wrote:
I think you should give up your position
as a real physicist who tries to find the
ruth from the nature ?
Hannu
Example please.
If you don't have an open mind to try find new
knowlege for physics and if you don't carefully
analyze what is true and what is false then you
do only great harm to physics so you have better
to give up your position as real physicist who
tries to find the truth (what ever it shows to be)
from the nature ?
Hannu
"An opinion is like a rear end that everyone
sits on his own."
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 06:33:42 PM |
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mathematician wrote:
If you don't have an open mind to try find new
knowlege for physics and if you don't carefully
analyze what is true and what is false then you
do only great harm to physics so you have better
to give up your position as real physicist who
tries to find the truth (what ever it shows to be)
from the nature ?
Hannu
"An opinion is like a rear end that everyone
sits on his own."
Hannu, you said, "I think you should give up your position
as a real physicist who tries to find the ruth from the nature"?
Have you an example as to why I should?
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| User: "mathematician" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 12:22:56 AM |
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On Jul 21, 7:20 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
mathematician wrote:
On Jul 21, 6:53 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Hannu Poropudas wrote:
On Jul 21, 4:40 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Forget about light cone--the spotting represent temperature variations is
the scattering of photons.
Some background on the background radiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation
Pay attention to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Pr...
NO, Those wikipedia page explanations is lacking totally the point of
view that inside "heaven's fire periphery" is full of "neutrino stars"
("neutrino star" = "core of black-hole" = "diamond" = "seed of galaxy", these are
many different names to same object). There are also two different types of
"neutrino stars". These are maybe groupped someway also to larger groups.
One big collection of "neutrino stars" so called "great neutrino star" is in the
center of the space. This must be also taken into account in the correct model
of the Universe.
The CMB is from an era in the universe before stars or galaxies had a
chance to form.
"Neutrino star" is NO ordinary star. Ordinary stars cannot exist
inside "heaven's
fire periphery" due there is too HOT.
Hannu
Sounds cranky.
NO,
I put below a short recall about what I remember that
I have written about these old H-M's drawings:
I remember that I have written long time a go
(about old H-M's drawings) that a "neutrino star"
(="8/8 diamond" = "core of black-hole")is formed
from one "radiation periphery" and a detail stucture of
"radiation periphery" is an exotic particle called "space potato"
which is formed from four different types of "wrong" neutrinos
and four different types of "right" neutrinos and a "mirror"
structure between these seven "wrong" neutrinos and seven "right"
neutrinos. This "mirror" structure in "space potato" particle
has three "hour glass forms" which have couples of "small right"
neutrinos in center of it (these "right small" neutrinos are related
to "right" neutrinos and there are also four different types of
them).
I have called these couples of "right small" neutrinos as
"Hanna-Maria Small Photons" due they change "right" neutrinos
to "wrong" neutrinos and "wrong" neutrinos to "right" neutrinos and
here is also question of a NEW interaction (In one old H-M's drawing
there were six different "color electricity color"
"Hanna-Maria Small Photons". They exchange interaction between
these eight color electricity neutrinos (four "right" + four
"wrong")).
"Color electricity colors" are also important in all these previous
matters.
I remember also that around one "neutrino star" there are
hundreds of thousands of "radiation peripheries".
One "radiation periphery" has also two "fastener places"
which makes it possible to exchange mass between different
"radiation peripheries". Time is 100 000 - 300 000 years
between two "radiation peripheries".
Please take a look more details from my old writings
in the USENET.
Hannu
Hannu
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 08:55:58 AM |
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Tell me why I should pay attention to these "old H-M's drawings"? What
are they?
Also I would like some examples of your "neutrino star", RA and Dec
coordinates please.
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 09:17:44 AM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:Ofooi.17091$Xa3.819@attbi_s22...
Tell me why I should pay attention to these "old H-M's drawings"? What
are they?
Also I would like some examples of your "neutrino star", RA and Dec
coordinates please.
Ask Hannu about the giant space potato. Go on, ask him.
Hannu makes up a fantasy physics and cosmology based
upon the crayon drawings of his (then) infant daughter
Hanna-Maria (thus "H-M's drawings").
A killfile is almost too good for him.
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| User: "mathematician" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 10:09:36 AM |
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On Jul 21, 5:17 pm, "Greg Neill" <gneill...@OVEsympatico.ca> wrote:
"Sam Wormley" <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:Ofooi.17091$Xa3.819@attbi_s22...
Tell me why I should pay attention to these "old H-M's drawings"? Wh=
at
are they?
Also I would like some examples of your "neutrino star", RA and Dec
coordinates please.
Ask Hannu about the giant space potato. Go on, ask him.
Hannu makes up a fantasy physics and cosmology based
upon the crayon drawings of his (then) infant daughter
Hanna-Maria (thus "H-M's drawings").
A killfile is almost too good for him.
Go away you troll. I hope God will give you what you deserve.
Hannu
"Hus Sika Mets=E4=E4n. Mit=E4 Sika Mets=E4ss=E4 ..."
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| User: "mathematician" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 10:27:26 AM |
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On Jul 21, 4:55 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Tell me why I should pay attention to these "old H-M's drawings"? What
are they?
Also I would like some examples of your "neutrino star", RA and Dec
coordinates please.
Those H-M's drawings were available in the USENET about 14 years
and I have removed them due H-M asked me to do so when she grew up.
Nearest "neutrino star" is the "core of the black-hole" of
the Milky Way galaxy.
This "neutrino star" is also at the moment in the process of
splittintg
into to two "neutrino stars".
Unfortunately this "neutrino star" is behind the "event horizon" of
the
black-hole in center of the Milky Way galaxy, so it is invisible to us
in principle.
Hannu
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 06:30:50 PM |
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mathematician wrote:
On Jul 21, 4:55 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Tell me why I should pay attention to these "old H-M's drawings"? What
are they?
Also I would like some examples of your "neutrino star", RA and Dec
coordinates please.
Those H-M's drawings were available in the USENET about 14 years
and I have removed them due H-M asked me to do so when she grew up.
Nearest "neutrino star" is the "core of the black-hole" of
the Milky Way galaxy.
This "neutrino star" is also at the moment in the process of
splittintg
into to two "neutrino stars".
Unfortunately this "neutrino star" is behind the "event horizon" of
the
black-hole in center of the Milky Way galaxy, so it is invisible to us
in principle.
Hannu
"Invisible in principle", and? and?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Spots in Cosmic Background Radiation (COBE, WMAP) are Light Cones |
21 Jul 2007 11:48:41 AM |
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On Jul 19, 4:10 pm, Hannu Poropudas <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
Those two different types of spots (cold and hot) in temperature
distribution of the cosmic background radiation are LIGHT CONES
(mathematically said: sphere "cut" cone = spot).
Hannu
OMG you found the CPU!!!!
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