This would allow for pulsing of the magnetic field in a forward direction

thereby creating power.

It would probably take energy to create or move the shield. I doubt one
could win that way.

Well I do not agree.
A disc of shielding material very thin light weight material spinning and
the ports in the disc would allow pulses of magnetic energy through and
cause energy to be generated with pistons or other methods. i/e direct
electricity

Jan Engmann wrote:

Nothing new here.

You can buy switchable magnetic hold-down devices from any good
industrial supply catalog. They've been around and patented for over
60 years.

Shielding a magnetic field has been exhaustively studied, both
theoretically and practically, for over 130 years.

Not a sliver of a chance of making energy this way.

If there was the slightest possibility this could fly, not only would
it have been discovered eons ago, there would be venture capitalists
throwing bucketfuls of shekels at these guys--- As differentiated
from their making sensational and incomplete pleas for publicity.

Not that I really know much about magnetic fields, but isn't the simplest
way (apart from the general thermodynamic argument) to argue why this
should not work the following:

(1) The potential energy of a permanent magnet in a static magnetic field
(which they claim they have) is equal to the scalar product of the
magnetic field and the magnetic moment.
(2) Thus moving a permanent magnet in a static magnetic field through a
loop (which they say they do) always gives a net energy gain of ZERO.
(3) Mechanical friction means that in reality a finite work input is
required to keep the thing going.

If you listen to the phone interview given by the Steorn CEO, it appears
that the shielding is merely a way to construct the optimum STATIC
magnetic field for the device, thus no moving around of the shields while
the device is running.

Their claim is, in effect, that there is something wrong with the known
laws of energy and magnetic fields. That their machine (allegedly) works
is their proof that the laws are wrong. Therefore you can't disprove
their claims that the laws of physics are wrong simply by applying these
very same laws.

Instead, it takes a demonstration. If their machine works as they claim,
some laws of science will have to be rewritten.

Personally, I believe that their machine doesn't work, because if it
did, they could sell the generated power and use the profits to build
even bigger and better generators of the same kind, and then sell even
more energy. They would not have a need for investors. But as far as I
know, they don't sell electrical power, and they do ask for venture
capital.

S.

Jan Engmann wrote:

Nothing new here.

You can buy switchable magnetic hold-down devices from any good
industrial supply catalog. They've been around and patented for over
60 years.

Shielding a magnetic field has been exhaustively studied, both
theoretically and practically, for over 130 years.

Not a sliver of a chance of making energy this way.

If there was the slightest possibility this could fly, not only would
it have been discovered eons ago, there would be venture capitalists
throwing bucketfuls of shekels at these guys--- As differentiated
from their making sensational and incomplete pleas for publicity.

Not that I really know much about magnetic fields, but isn't the simplest
way (apart from the general thermodynamic argument) to argue why this
should not work the following:

(1) The potential energy of a permanent magnet in a static magnetic field
(which they claim they have) is equal to the scalar product of the
magnetic field and the magnetic moment.
(2) Thus moving a permanent magnet in a static magnetic field through a
loop (which they say they do) always gives a net energy gain of ZERO.
(3) Mechanical friction means that in reality a finite work input is
required to keep the thing going.

If you listen to the phone interview given by the Steorn CEO, it appears
that the shielding is merely a way to construct the optimum STATIC
magnetic field for the device, thus no moving around of the shields while
the device is running.

Their claim is, in effect, that there is something wrong with the known
laws of energy and magnetic fields. That their machine (allegedly) works
is their proof that the laws are wrong. Therefore you can't disprove
their claims that the laws of physics are wrong simply by applying these
very same laws.

Instead, it takes a demonstration. If their machine works as they claim,
some laws of science will have to be rewritten.

Personally, I believe that their machine doesn't work, because if it
did, they could sell the generated power and use the profits to build
even bigger and better generators of the same kind, and then sell even
more energy. They would not have a need for investors. But as far as I
know, they don't sell electrical power, and they do ask for venture
capital.

S.

In article <AGwGg.8249$Oh1.4632@news01.roc.ny>, Dan Bloomquist

Greg Hansen wrote:

Waldo Furling wrote:

What do you think of it? They claim they have a magnetic motor that puts
out more energy than it takes to run it, and they are asking for
scientists to test it for them.

I wonder why they don't rent a hall and set up their machine to power a
lightbulb.

The webiste is www.steorn.net.

According to their web site, 1707 scientists so far have expressed
interest in testing their technology.

1707 scientists? That's a lot of scientists. I wonder how many of them
are scientists.

"Our technology has been independently validated by engineers and
scientists - always off the record, always proven to work."

Off the record, huh?

Two clicks and I saw enough. Another capital rip-off. That these
websites exist is testimonial to human stupidity. Nobody does their
homework anymore. I think it is just the right time to start a religion.
Gads, the money I could make...

Heck, yes, for sure. Given the crowds of ignorants, with delusions of
competence and yearnings for content to fill their lives ...

First I need to clarify:

* I have no affiliation with Steorn.
* I am very skeptical of Steorn.
* I do not know anymore about this device than anyone else.

I am a little appalled by the general comments here. Understandably
this is coming from frustration and tired of hear the crying wolf. Yet
IMHO does not justify such comments and behavior.

No intelligent person would ever assume to know everything about the
universe and IMHO it's safe to say humanity will always continue to
discover. So who are we to say there are no unknown sea of energy. Some
may call it ZPE or whatever. Truthfully, present conceived ideas of
such unknown sea of energy is probably distorted and far from any
theory.

We should be patient and understanding. I am the people here are bigger
than the comments stated so far. Sure there are plenty scam artists.
Sure there's plenty of ignorance in the world. Lets not hang a person
or company based on the track record of any industry. Even our legal
system holds by "Innocent until proven guilty"

If BBC can hear out Alan Guth say the following then perhaps we should
at least consider the possibility that at some level there is an
unknown sea of energy:

A well-known TV science show by BBC called "Parallel Universes"
interviewed Alan Guth on M-theory. Quote from Alan Guth:
"I in fact have worked with several other people for some period of
time on the question of whether or not it's in principle possible to
create a new universe in the laboratory. Whether or not it really works
we don't know for sure. It looks like it probably would work. It's
actually safe to create a universe in your basement. It would not
displace the universe around it even though it would grow tremendously.
It would actually create its own space as it grows and in fact in a
very short fraction of a second it would splice itself off completely
from our Universe and evolve as an isolated closed universe growing to
cosmic proportions without displacing any of the territory that we
currently lay claim to."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/parallelunitrans.shtml

This company Steorn has made big claims, and challenges the
conventional science community. They are probably looking for big names
in the science community. Personally I think Steron should publicly
demonstrate the machine in a clear and concise manner displaying all
measuring procedures in extreme detail. Until then I don't think it's
worth the time of any well-known scientist to investigate the Steron
machine. Perhaps your typical university scientist may want to
investigate it, but lets at least refrain from hanging the company.

Paul