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User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj"
Date: 03 Aug 2004 06:27:38 PM
Object: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG
Hawking resolves black hole riddle
Rediff
July 15, 2004
After nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole
destroys everything that falls into it, Stephen Hawking
is saying he was wrong.
In an announcement that has sent waves of excitement
through the rarefied world of astrophysics, Prof Stephen
Hawking claims to have solved one of the greatest
mysteries of black holes, reports the Telegraph, London.
The new theory, which solves a major paradox about the
most mysterious objects in the universe, has generated a
flurry of excitement among his Cambridge colleagues, the
Telegraph said.
'Black holes are regions of space where the gravitational
force is so strong that nothing, not even light, can
escape. Once thought to be purely destructive forces,
they are now thought to play a crucial role in galaxy
formation. Cosmologists believe that there are many types
of black hole, ranging from mini holes with the mass of a
small mountain to super-massive holes that lie at the
centre of galaxies,' it said.
Their gravitational force is so powerful that everything
is sucked inside. It was traditionally thought that once
matter and light pass a black hole's "event horizon",
then it can never escape.
'In 1975, Prof Hawking made his most important
contribution to cosmology by proposing that black holes
emit tiny amounts of radiation - known as "Hawking
radiation". Eventually, all black holes will evaporate.
He also claimed that his radiation contained no
"information" about the matter sucked into the black
hole,' said the article.
Once the black hole evaporates, all information about the
black hole is lost. But under the laws of quantum
mechanics describing the behaviour of the universe at the
scale of individual particles, such information cannot
simply disappear, the Telegraph said.
'For 30 years Prof Hawking tried to get around the
paradox by suggesting that the rules of quantum physics
were different inside black holes - a solution that many
colleagues were unhappy with,' the article said.
Now, it seems that Hawking has an answer to the conundrum
and the physics community is abuzz with the news. Hawking
requested at the last minute that he be allowed to
present his findings at the 17th International Conference
on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin, Ireland
on Wednesday, said the New Scientist.
"He sent a note saying 'I have solved the black hole
information paradox and I want to talk about it'," New
Scientist quotes Curt Cutler, a physicist at the Albert
Einstein Institute in Golm, Germany, who is chairing the
conference's scientific committee, as saying.
"I haven't seen a preprint [of the paper]. To be quite
honest, I went on Hawking's reputation."
Comment:
[ Subject: Vedant Philosophy
[
[ Finally there will be a day when the scientists will
[ resonate with the philosophy of Vedant. We can only
[ come close to solving mysteries of the universe on the
[ physical plane, but will always remain incomplete
[ without the spiritual plane. The great Rishis in India
[ solved the very question of existence itself. But the
[ human mind has plenty of limitations and these ideas
[ will never be comprehendible unless we transcend these
[ limitations.
[ For the time being, the Unified Field Theory (similar
[ to "Brahman" of "Advait Vedant") remains only a
[ dream.
[
[ Posted by Omkar on 16-JUL-04
More at:
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User: "SWB"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 03 Aug 2004 08:11:35 PM
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
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Hawking resolves black hole riddle

NO REFERENCES
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User: "Evgenij Barsukov"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 04 Aug 2004 09:19:39 AM
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

Hawking resolves black hole riddle

I dont understand what "mistake" are you talking about??
His briliant theory that allowed to calculate the entropy
of black holes (correspondingly their radiation and temperature)
was not mistaken, it was just incomplete (as it did not include
solution of information paradox). Now he _completes_ his theory
by adding to it the solution of information paradox! Where the heck
do you see her a "mistake", "admition" or that like?? I see here
a great scientist completing his life's work.
Btw. all theories are incomplete by definition as human knowledge
fundamentaly can not be complete. If incompletness of any theory
is a "mistake" than all theories are mistaken.
Regards,
Evgenij
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User: "John Sefton"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 04 Aug 2004 10:38:07 AM
Hawking was wrong.
Now he has another story, and he'll
be wrong again.
And meanwhile everyone hangs on his every word.
Black Holes, so-called, are simply galactic
nuclei. They are a region of space which is
spinning so fast that nothing can traverse
it without being spun into matter and
ejected out as new star stuff. Old star stuff
falls in, new star stuff is spun out. It's a cycle
which continually renews the galaxy. End of story.
Hawking is on the wrong track and has been since
day 1. Not his fault- he's another sheep.
John
Galaxy Model for the Atom

http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/ptanimation.GIF

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User: "Kenneth Doyle"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 05 Aug 2004 12:56:01 AM
John Sefton <john@petcom.com> wrote in news:411102DF.6090906@petcom.com:

Hawking was wrong.
Now he has another story, and he'll
be wrong again.

Yeah, how dispicable of him. Fancy allowing yourself to be educated by
constant study and research; what an arsehole. Doesn't he realise that
ignorance is perfect?

And meanwhile everyone hangs on his every word.

Speak for yourself. If you expect every word he says to be gospel truth,
then that's your problem.
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User: "Bharatom"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 03 Aug 2004 10:30:55 PM
Very soon he will admit there is GOD too. This is what happens to all human
beings. But he deserves to be commented for his truthfulness to admit the
mistakes or false notions he had. He is a true Sanatani Hindu.
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:QDV4r47gKKs2@Bc655J4rhaUjsR...

Hawking resolves black hole riddle

Rediff
July 15, 2004

After nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole
destroys everything that falls into it, Stephen Hawking
is saying he was wrong.

In an announcement that has sent waves of excitement
through the rarefied world of astrophysics, Prof Stephen
Hawking claims to have solved one of the greatest
mysteries of black holes, reports the Telegraph, London.

The new theory, which solves a major paradox about the
most mysterious objects in the universe, has generated a
flurry of excitement among his Cambridge colleagues, the
Telegraph said.

'Black holes are regions of space where the gravitational
force is so strong that nothing, not even light, can
escape. Once thought to be purely destructive forces,
they are now thought to play a crucial role in galaxy
formation. Cosmologists believe that there are many types
of black hole, ranging from mini holes with the mass of a
small mountain to super-massive holes that lie at the
centre of galaxies,' it said.

Their gravitational force is so powerful that everything
is sucked inside. It was traditionally thought that once
matter and light pass a black hole's "event horizon",
then it can never escape.

'In 1975, Prof Hawking made his most important
contribution to cosmology by proposing that black holes
emit tiny amounts of radiation - known as "Hawking
radiation". Eventually, all black holes will evaporate.
He also claimed that his radiation contained no
"information" about the matter sucked into the black
hole,' said the article.

Once the black hole evaporates, all information about the
black hole is lost. But under the laws of quantum
mechanics describing the behaviour of the universe at the
scale of individual particles, such information cannot
simply disappear, the Telegraph said.

'For 30 years Prof Hawking tried to get around the
paradox by suggesting that the rules of quantum physics
were different inside black holes - a solution that many
colleagues were unhappy with,' the article said.

Now, it seems that Hawking has an answer to the conundrum
and the physics community is abuzz with the news. Hawking
requested at the last minute that he be allowed to
present his findings at the 17th International Conference
on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin, Ireland
on Wednesday, said the New Scientist.

"He sent a note saying 'I have solved the black hole
information paradox and I want to talk about it'," New
Scientist quotes Curt Cutler, a physicist at the Albert
Einstein Institute in Golm, Germany, who is chairing the
conference's scientific committee, as saying.

"I haven't seen a preprint [of the paper]. To be quite
honest, I went on Hawking's reputation."

Comment:

[ Subject: Vedant Philosophy
[
[ Finally there will be a day when the scientists will
[ resonate with the philosophy of Vedant. We can only
[ come close to solving mysteries of the universe on the
[ physical plane, but will always remain incomplete
[ without the spiritual plane. The great Rishis in India
[ solved the very question of existence itself. But the
[ human mind has plenty of limitations and these ideas
[ will never be comprehendible unless we transcend these
[ limitations.
[ For the time being, the Unified Field Theory (similar
[ to "Brahman" of "Advait Vedant") remains only a
[ dream.
[
[ Posted by Omkar on 16-JUL-04
More at:
http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/15hawking.htm

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Hindu Holocaust Museum
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Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org

The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not so send peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his
father, and the daughter against her mother, and the
daughter in law against her mother in law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own
household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.

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User: "Pyriform"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 04 Aug 2004 08:29:10 PM
Bharatom wrote:

Very soon he will admit there is GOD too. This is what happens to all
human beings.

Only very stupid ones.

But he deserves to be commented for his truthfulness to
admit the mistakes or false notions he had.

You did not understand the original problem. You did not even know that
there *was* a problem, until Hawking claimed to have solved it. You are
an ignorant, God-bothering fuckwit.
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User: "Bharatom"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 04 Aug 2004 11:19:17 PM
Little knowledge is dangerous. But it is even more dangerous to assume that
others do not understand what you claim to know.
"Pyriform" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:41118d67$0$6446$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...

Bharatom wrote:

Very soon he will admit there is GOD too. This is what happens to all
human beings.


Only very stupid ones.

But he deserves to be commented for his truthfulness to
admit the mistakes or false notions he had.


You did not understand the original problem. You did not even know that
there *was* a problem, until Hawking claimed to have solved it. You are
an ignorant, God-bothering fuckwit.



.
User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 04 Aug 2004 11:41:51 PM
Not only do I understand, but also know that.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
In article <2ndqr3F100bflU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Bharatom" <bharatom@yahoo.com> posted:

Little knowledge is dangerous. But it is even more dangerous to assume that
others do not understand what you claim to know.

"Pyriform" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:41118d67$0$6446$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...

Bharatom wrote:

Very soon he will admit there is GOD too. This is what happens to all
human beings.


Only very stupid ones.

But he deserves to be commented for his truthfulness to
admit the mistakes or false notions he had.


You did not understand the original problem. You did not even know that
there *was* a problem, until Hawking claimed to have solved it. You are
an ignorant, God-bothering fuckwit.





.



User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 04 Aug 2004 12:19:25 AM
He was close to being totally exposed for his faulty conclusions.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
In article <2nb3l3FusubqU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Bharatom" <bharatom@yahoo.com> posted:

Very soon he will admit there is GOD too. This is what happens to all human
beings. But he deserves to be commented for his truthfulness to admit the
mistakes or false notions he had. He is a true Sanatani Hindu.



Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

Hawking resolves black hole riddle

Rediff
July 15, 2004

After nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole
destroys everything that falls into it, Stephen Hawking
is saying he was wrong.

In an announcement that has sent waves of excitement
through the rarefied world of astrophysics, Prof Stephen
Hawking claims to have solved one of the greatest
mysteries of black holes, reports the Telegraph, London.

The new theory, which solves a major paradox about the
most mysterious objects in the universe, has generated a
flurry of excitement among his Cambridge colleagues, the
Telegraph said.

'Black holes are regions of space where the gravitational
force is so strong that nothing, not even light, can
escape. Once thought to be purely destructive forces,
they are now thought to play a crucial role in galaxy
formation. Cosmologists believe that there are many types
of black hole, ranging from mini holes with the mass of a
small mountain to super-massive holes that lie at the
centre of galaxies,' it said.

Their gravitational force is so powerful that everything
is sucked inside. It was traditionally thought that once
matter and light pass a black hole's "event horizon",
then it can never escape.

'In 1975, Prof Hawking made his most important
contribution to cosmology by proposing that black holes
emit tiny amounts of radiation - known as "Hawking
radiation". Eventually, all black holes will evaporate.
He also claimed that his radiation contained no
"information" about the matter sucked into the black
hole,' said the article.

Once the black hole evaporates, all information about the
black hole is lost. But under the laws of quantum
mechanics describing the behaviour of the universe at the
scale of individual particles, such information cannot
simply disappear, the Telegraph said.

'For 30 years Prof Hawking tried to get around the
paradox by suggesting that the rules of quantum physics
were different inside black holes - a solution that many
colleagues were unhappy with,' the article said.

Now, it seems that Hawking has an answer to the conundrum
and the physics community is abuzz with the news. Hawking
requested at the last minute that he be allowed to
present his findings at the 17th International Conference
on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin, Ireland
on Wednesday, said the New Scientist.

"He sent a note saying 'I have solved the black hole
information paradox and I want to talk about it'," New
Scientist quotes Curt Cutler, a physicist at the Albert
Einstein Institute in Golm, Germany, who is chairing the
conference's scientific committee, as saying.

"I haven't seen a preprint [of the paper]. To be quite
honest, I went on Hawking's reputation."

Comment:

[ Subject: Vedant Philosophy
[
[ Finally there will be a day when the scientists will
[ resonate with the philosophy of Vedant. We can only
[ come close to solving mysteries of the universe on the
[ physical plane, but will always remain incomplete
[ without the spiritual plane. The great Rishis in India
[ solved the very question of existence itself. But the
[ human mind has plenty of limitations and these ideas
[ will never be comprehendible unless we transcend these
[ limitations.
[ For the time being, the Unified Field Theory (similar
[ to "Brahman" of "Advait Vedant") remains only a
[ dream.
[
[ Posted by Omkar on 16-JUL-04
More at:
http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/15hawking.htm

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust

Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org

The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate

The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not so send peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his
father, and the daughter against her mother, and the
daughter in law against her mother in law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own
household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.

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User: "Darkwing Duck \The Duck, The Myth, The Legend"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 04 Aug 2004 09:32:48 AM
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:PHc2X55krQN0@bb924r6qfaIgXH...

He was close to being totally exposed for his faulty conclusions.

Hardly.
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User: "pund kamath"

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 04 Aug 2004 07:37:16 AM
(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote in message news:<PHc2X55krQN0@bb924r6qfaIgXH>...

He was close to being totally exposed for his faulty conclusions.

Jai Maharaj ..

If only he had pursued Jyotishshastra, he could have a bit
respectability to this trade.
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User: ""

Title: Re: STEPHEN HAWKING ADMITS HE WAS WRONG 04 Aug 2004 08:01:39 AM
Jay, why do you answer yourself in this manner? Isn't this is what is
called a "sock puppet" in net lingo? Are you so terrribkly desperate to
find someone anyone to agrre that you will invent an alter ego as a last
ditch effort? Real Indians avoind you like the plague, maybe try swedish
names instead.
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