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Science > Physics |
| User: |
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| Date: |
09 Sep 2006 12:08:07 AM |
| Object: |
Support Steven Jones |
Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid
leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the
Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
Phone: (801)422-2521.
Please be clear and polite!
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
09 Sep 2006 01:11:11 PM |
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<normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| "Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
| news:toyMg.15803$89.8576@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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| > <schoenfeld.one@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1157778487.064690.199060@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| > | Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid
| > | leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
| > | movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the
| > | Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
| > |
| > | Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
| > | Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
| > | Phone: (801)422-2521.
| > |
| > | Please be clear and polite!
| >
| > I'm not going to support any fuckwit Mormon. Kick the arsehole out!
| > Email will be sent to that effect.
| >
| > Androcles
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| Do you know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon? I don't think it's a reqirement
| to be on the BYU faculty.
I'd put money on it, but no matter, he's a "physics professor" = fuckwit,
and Brigham Young was a Mormon follower of Joe Smith, self-professed
"finder" of the book of Mormon left by the lost tribes of Israel that flew a
plane into the WTC.
That's why the ***** is involved in blaming someone else.
Freedom of religion is guaranteed under the US Constitution, but only
a stupid fuckin' Latter Day Saint would voluntarily teach at Brigham
Young.
Pity the Constitution didn't guarantee freedom *from* religion.
Fuckin Yanks are crazy anyway, they have a republic and are
begging for a god to be monarch and dictate to them.
Androcles
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| User: "Denning" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
11 Sep 2006 02:06:10 PM |
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"Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote:
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| Do you know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon? I don't think it's a
| reqirement to be on the BYU faculty.
I'd put money on it, but no matter, he's a "physics professor" = fuckwit,
and Brigham Young was a Mormon follower of Joe Smith, self-professed
"finder" of the book of Mormon left by the lost tribes of Israel that
flew a plane into the WTC.
That's why the ***** is involved in blaming someone else.
Freedom of religion is guaranteed under the US Constitution, but only
a stupid fuckin' Latter Day Saint would voluntarily teach at Brigham
Young.
Pity the Constitution didn't guarantee freedom *from* religion.
Fuckin Yanks are crazy anyway, they have a republic and are
begging for a god to be monarch and dictate to them.
What a wonderful kook post! A classic! Please keep them coming - perhaps a
book of them sometime soon? Thanks.
Marcus
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
11 Sep 2006 04:00:22 PM |
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"Marcus Denning" <marcusdenning@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| "Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote:
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| > |
| > | Do you know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon? I don't think it's a
| > | reqirement to be on the BYU faculty.
| >
| > I'd put money on it, but no matter, he's a "physics professor" =
fuckwit,
| > and Brigham Young was a Mormon follower of Joe Smith, self-professed
| > "finder" of the book of Mormon left by the lost tribes of Israel that
| > flew a plane into the WTC.
| > That's why the ***** is involved in blaming someone else.
| > Freedom of religion is guaranteed under the US Constitution, but only
| > a stupid fuckin' Latter Day Saint would voluntarily teach at Brigham
| > Young.
| > Pity the Constitution didn't guarantee freedom *from* religion.
| > Fuckin Yanks are crazy anyway, they have a republic and are
| > begging for a god to be monarch and dictate to them.
|
| What a wonderful kook post! A classic! Please keep them coming - perhaps
a
| book of them sometime soon? Thanks.
|
| Marcus
Sure.
"Why Physicists are Phuckheads"
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/Rocket.htm
Got it now, kook?
Androcles
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| User: "Bob Cain" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
12 Sep 2006 02:49:42 AM |
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Marcus Denning wrote:
What a wonderful kook post! A classic! Please keep them coming - perhaps a
book of them sometime soon? Thanks.
Whatever his nym is today, he is a heckler, not a kook. Kook's
believe something foolish. What's his name thinks it foolish to
believe anything at all so he merely heckles those that do, be it kook
or expert. As such he's merely an irrelevant source of hostile noise.
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."
A. Einstein
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
12 Sep 2006 01:38:12 AM |
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Sorcerer wrote:
<normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| "Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
| news:toyMg.15803$89.8576@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| >
| > <schoenfeld.one@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1157778487.064690.199060@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| > | Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid
| > | leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
| > | movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the
| > | Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
| > |
| > | Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
| > | Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
| > | Phone: (801)422-2521.
| > |
| > | Please be clear and polite!
| >
| > I'm not going to support any fuckwit Mormon. Kick the arsehole out!
| > Email will be sent to that effect.
| >
| > Androcles
|
| Do you know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon? I don't think it's a reqirement
| to be on the BYU faculty.
I'd put money on it, but no matter, he's a "physics professor" = fuckwit,
and Brigham Young was a Mormon follower of Joe Smith, self-professed
"finder" of the book of Mormon left by the lost tribes of Israel that flew a
plane into the WTC.
That's why the ***** is involved in blaming someone else.
Freedom of religion is guaranteed under the US Constitution, but only
a stupid fuckin' Latter Day Saint would voluntarily teach at Brigham
Young.
Pity the Constitution didn't guarantee freedom *from* religion.
Fuckin Yanks are crazy anyway, they have a republic and are
begging for a god to be monarch and dictate to them.
Why, because BYU designs all the glass on the
skyscrapers? That's because Jones knows a hell
of a lot more about F-18 wind shields that retards
like Bush, Exxon, and the Moron Navy does.
Androcles
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
12 Sep 2006 05:40:36 AM |
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<zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1158043092.413226.140180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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| Sorcerer wrote:
| > <normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote in message
| > news:y6edndlgIrD9Z5_YnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com...
| > |
| > | "Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
| > | news:toyMg.15803$89.8576@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| > | >
| > | > <schoenfeld.one@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1157778487.064690.199060@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| > | > | Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on
paid
| > | > | leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
| > | > | movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating
the
| > | > | Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
| > | > |
| > | > | Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
| > | > | Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
| > | > | Phone: (801)422-2521.
| > | > |
| > | > | Please be clear and polite!
| > | >
| > | > I'm not going to support any fuckwit Mormon. Kick the arsehole out!
| > | > Email will be sent to that effect.
| > | >
| > | > Androcles
| > |
| > | Do you know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon? I don't think it's a
reqirement
| > | to be on the BYU faculty.
| >
| > I'd put money on it, but no matter, he's a "physics professor" =
fuckwit,
| > and Brigham Young was a Mormon follower of Joe Smith, self-professed
| > "finder" of the book of Mormon left by the lost tribes of Israel that
flew a
| > plane into the WTC.
| > That's why the ***** is involved in blaming someone else.
| > Freedom of religion is guaranteed under the US Constitution, but only
| > a stupid fuckin' Latter Day Saint would voluntarily teach at Brigham
| > Young.
| > Pity the Constitution didn't guarantee freedom *from* religion.
| > Fuckin Yanks are crazy anyway, they have a republic and are
| > begging for a god to be monarch and dictate to them.
|
| Why, because BYU designs all the glass on the
| skyscrapers? That's because Jones knows a hell
| of a lot more about F-18 wind shields that retards
| like Bush, Exxon, and the Moron Navy does.
Heck, even I know more about AV8-B and B-747 windshields tha(n)
retards like Bush, Exxon, and the Moron Navy does.
AV8-B windshields are flat and act as mirrors for the HUD,
http://tinyurl.com/r3eyq
B-747 windshields are curved lenses and are a pain in the arse on flight
simulators, all have to withstand bird strike.
That's just what the world needs, a building glass maker as a physics
professor, the Romans were making laminated glass 2000 fuckin' years
ago, retard.
http://www.roman-glass.com/home.html
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/rgls/ho_91.1.1402.htm
What was your irrelevant point again?
Androcles
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
13 Sep 2006 05:07:35 AM |
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Sorcerer wrote:
<zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1158043092.413226.140180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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| Sorcerer wrote:
| > <normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote in message
| > news:y6edndlgIrD9Z5_YnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com...
| > |
| > | "Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
| > | news:toyMg.15803$89.8576@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| > | >
| > | > <schoenfeld.one@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:1157778487.064690.199060@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| > | > | Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on
paid
| > | > | leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
| > | > | movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating
the
| > | > | Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
| > | > |
| > | > | Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
| > | > | Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
| > | > | Phone: (801)422-2521.
| > | > |
| > | > | Please be clear and polite!
| > | >
| > | > I'm not going to support any fuckwit Mormon. Kick the arsehole out!
| > | > Email will be sent to that effect.
| > | >
| > | > Androcles
| > |
| > | Do you know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon? I don't think it's a
reqirement
| > | to be on the BYU faculty.
| >
| > I'd put money on it, but no matter, he's a "physics professor" =
fuckwit,
| > and Brigham Young was a Mormon follower of Joe Smith, self-professed
| > "finder" of the book of Mormon left by the lost tribes of Israel that
flew a
| > plane into the WTC.
| > That's why the ***** is involved in blaming someone else.
| > Freedom of religion is guaranteed under the US Constitution, but only
| > a stupid fuckin' Latter Day Saint would voluntarily teach at Brigham
| > Young.
| > Pity the Constitution didn't guarantee freedom *from* religion.
| > Fuckin Yanks are crazy anyway, they have a republic and are
| > begging for a god to be monarch and dictate to them.
|
| Why, because BYU designs all the glass on the
| skyscrapers? That's because Jones knows a hell
| of a lot more about F-18 wind shields that retards
| like Bush, Exxon, and the Moron Navy does.
Heck, even I know more about AV8-B and B-747 windshields tha(n)
retards like Bush, Exxon, and the Moron Navy does.
AV8-B windshields are flat and act as mirrors for the HUD,
That's all good, but it's F-18s and tickets to New York Yankees
Games,
not 747s and AV8s, that Massad and Iran buy..
http://tinyurl.com/r3eyq
B-747 windshields are curved lenses and are a pain in the arse on flight
simulators, all have to withstand bird strike.
That's just what the world needs, a building glass maker as a physics
professor, the Romans were making laminated glass 2000 fuckin' years
ago, retard.
http://www.roman-glass.com/home.html
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/rgls/ho_91.1.1402.htm
What was your irrelevant point again?
Androcles
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
13 Sep 2006 07:04:30 AM |
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<zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message
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| Sorcerer wrote:
| > <zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message
| > news:1158043092.413226.140180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| > |
| > | Sorcerer wrote:
| > | > <normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote in message
| > | > news:y6edndlgIrD9Z5_YnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com...
| > | > |
| > | > | "Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
| > | > | news:toyMg.15803$89.8576@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > <schoenfeld.one@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:1157778487.064690.199060@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| > | > | > | Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones
on
| > paid
| > | > | > | leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11
truth
| > | > | > | movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of
orchestrating
| > the
| > | > | > | Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
| > | > | > | Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
| > | > | > | Phone: (801)422-2521.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Please be clear and polite!
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I'm not going to support any fuckwit Mormon. Kick the arsehole
out!
| > | > | > Email will be sent to that effect.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Androcles
| > | > |
| > | > | Do you know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon? I don't think it's a
| > reqirement
| > | > | to be on the BYU faculty.
| > | >
| > | > I'd put money on it, but no matter, he's a "physics professor" =
| > fuckwit,
| > | > and Brigham Young was a Mormon follower of Joe Smith, self-professed
| > | > "finder" of the book of Mormon left by the lost tribes of Israel
that
| > flew a
| > | > plane into the WTC.
| > | > That's why the ***** is involved in blaming someone else.
| > | > Freedom of religion is guaranteed under the US Constitution, but
only
| > | > a stupid fuckin' Latter Day Saint would voluntarily teach at Brigham
| > | > Young.
| > | > Pity the Constitution didn't guarantee freedom *from* religion.
| > | > Fuckin Yanks are crazy anyway, they have a republic and are
| > | > begging for a god to be monarch and dictate to them.
| > |
| > | Why, because BYU designs all the glass on the
| > | skyscrapers? That's because Jones knows a hell
| > | of a lot more about F-18 wind shields that retards
| > | like Bush, Exxon, and the Moron Navy does.
| >
| > Heck, even I know more about AV8-B and B-747 windshields tha(n)
| > retards like Bush, Exxon, and the Moron Navy does.
| > AV8-B windshields are flat and act as mirrors for the HUD,
|
| That's all good, but it's F-18s and tickets to New York Yankees
| Games,
| not 747s and AV8s, that Massad and Iran buy..
|
It's AV8-B Harriers the tough guy US Marines buys from Britain,
and the rest of the world plays World Cup Soccer which the USA
has never won so they sulk with their own padded and helmeted
softy games. "Can I have time out, ref? I ran 100 yards and I'm
out of puff". Fat bastards ought to get fit, four hours to play a
90 minute game, and as for New York Yankees rounders...
well, that's a little girly game in Britain.
|
| >
| > http://tinyurl.com/r3eyq
| >
| > B-747 windshields are curved lenses and are a pain in the arse on
flight
| > simulators, all have to withstand bird strike.
| >
| > That's just what the world needs, a building glass maker as a physics
| > professor, the Romans were making laminated glass 2000 fuckin' years
| > ago, retard.
| > http://www.roman-glass.com/home.html
| > http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/rgls/ho_91.1.1402.htm
| >
| > What was your irrelevant point again?
| > Androcles
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| User: "Vandar" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
09 Sep 2006 04:32:47 PM |
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wrote:
"Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
news:toyMg.15803$89.8576@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
<schoenfeld.one@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157778487.064690.199060@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid
| leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
| movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the
| Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
|
| Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
| Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
| Phone: (801)422-2521.
|
| Please be clear and polite!
I'm not going to support any fuckwit Mormon. Kick the arsehole out!
Email will be sent to that effect.
Androcles
Do you know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon? I don't think it's a reqirement
to be on the BYU faculty.
He is.
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
09 Sep 2006 06:33:15 PM |
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Do you know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon? I don't think it's a reqirement
to be on the BYU faculty.
There is only one 'm' in 'moron,' anyway. Probably a typo...
More importantly, he is demonstrably *not* a good scientist =
'incompetent." Competence is generally not a requirement for
tenure-track positions.
Jones is assuming a vast conspiracy of civil servants and government
contractors (not the most inteligent, disciplined, and motivated crowd
I could name) when the full accounting for the facts does not require
such.
He is attributing the ability to keep a huge elaborate plan secret when
this administration can't even keep little secrets about its email, its
phones, its spies, its interrogation rooms, etc. The State Departmant
may as well have the media bcc'd on all its memos.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "RonB" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
09 Sep 2006 08:00:22 PM |
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"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in news:1157844795.871293.209020
@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Jones is assuming a vast conspiracy of civil servants and government
contractors (not the most inteligent, disciplined, and motivated crowd
I could name) when the full accounting for the facts does not require
such.
Well, I've been looking at the video of the collapse of WTC 7 (for the
first time). Can *you* explain why this building collapsed in the way it
did? FEMA couldn't.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
10 Sep 2006 10:14:44 AM |
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RonB wrote:
"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in news:1157844795.871293.209020
@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Jones is assuming a vast conspiracy of civil servants and government
contractors (not the most inteligent, disciplined, and motivated crowd
I could name) when the full accounting for the facts does not require
such.
Well, I've been looking at the video of the collapse of WTC 7 (for the
first time). Can *you* explain why this building collapsed in the way it
did? FEMA couldn't.
I am a physical/inorganic/analytical chemist. I measure things.
Structual demolition engineering is no more within my field of
expertise than it is in that of Steven Jones. The limit of his
expertise as a physics teacher and former cold fusion researcher would
be to announce that "down" is the direction gravity pulls things.
I also happen to have a significant amount of life experience dealing
with people who have mental health problems. It is on the basis if
this experience I feel qualified in recognizing paranoia when it
manifests.
If you want to know why the building collapsed in the manner it did,
ask a structural demolition engineer (a simple architectural engineer
or civil engineer would not be quite qualified to understand and
explain the processes by which large buildings can and do collapse).
If you want to know what really happened on the video, have a
professional image analyst explain it to you. [I did notice that the
WTC7 video I saw does not incorporate a date/time stamp with fractional
second accuracy, nor does it explicitly show *all* of the collapse as
the lower portion of the building is occulted. The data necessary to
time the collapse to +/- 0.01 second is not available in this video.]
If you want to bait someone into a discussion so you can parade your
own delusions under the guise of expertise, you will have to seek
someone else.
*plonk*
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
09 Sep 2006 11:06:32 PM |
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RonB wrote:
"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in news:1157844795.871293.209020
@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Jones is assuming a vast conspiracy of civil servants and government
contractors (not the most inteligent, disciplined, and motivated crowd
I could name) when the full accounting for the facts does not require
such.
Well, I've been looking at the video of the collapse of WTC 7 (for the
first time). Can *you* explain why this building collapsed in the way it
did? FEMA couldn't.
They cannot account for it at all.
The reason they cannot account for it is because WTC 7 collapsed in 6
seconds, the same amount of time an apple dropped from the roof of WTC
7 takes to reach the ground.
PROPOSITION 1:
It took a total of 6 seconds for the roof of WTC 7 to reach the
ground:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329
Collapse start time: 17 seconds
Collapse end time: 23 seconds
Total collapse time: 23-17 = 6 seconds
PROPOSITION 2:
A freefall from a height equal to the roof of WTC 7 would take 6
seconds:
Displacement = initial velocity * total time + 1/2 * acceleration *
total time^2
or
s = ut + 1/2at^2
where
s = 174 m (height of building)
u = 0 m/s (building was stationary prior to collapse)
a = 9.8 m/s^2 (since gravitational field strengh averages at a
constant)
Thus,
174 = 0 t + 1/2 9.8 t^2
Solving for t
t = sqrt( 2 * 174 / 9.8)
= 5.9590
~ 6 seconds
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
09 Sep 2006 09:34:32 PM |
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RonB wrote:
"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in news:1157844795.871293.209020
@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Jones is assuming a vast conspiracy of civil servants and government
contractors (not the most inteligent, disciplined, and motivated crowd
I could name) when the full accounting for the facts does not require
such.
Well, I've been looking at the video of the collapse of WTC 7 (for the
first time). Can *you* explain why this building collapsed in the way it
did? FEMA couldn't.
See the analysis:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NCSTAR1ExecutiveSummary.pdf
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1Draft.pdf
http://wtc.nist.gov/
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| User: "Bob Cain" |
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11 Sep 2006 12:14:05 AM |
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RonB wrote:
Well, I've been looking at the video of the collapse of WTC 7 (for the
first time). Can *you* explain why this building collapsed in the way it
did? FEMA couldn't.
Can *you* explain how it _should_ have collapsed and why?
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."
A. Einstein
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
12 Sep 2006 03:18:40 AM |
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tadchem wrote:
normanstrong@comcast.net wrote:
Do you know that Prof. Jones is a Mormon? I don't think it's a reqirement
to be on the BYU faculty.
There is only one 'm' in 'moron,' anyway. Probably a typo...
More importantly, he is demonstrably *not* a good scientist =
'incompetent." Competence is generally not a requirement for
tenure-track positions.
Jones is assuming a vast conspiracy of civil servants and government
contractors (not the most inteligent, disciplined, and motivated crowd
I could name) when the full accounting for the facts does not require
such.
Well, Jones like all the other physics cranks,
and Berkerly, made their first, final, and fatal mistake,
when they made the pathetic Google assumption
that a moron company like Microsoft has something
to do with Skyscrapers.
He is attributing the ability to keep a huge elaborate plan secret when
this administration can't even keep little secrets about its email, its
phones, its spies, its interrogation rooms, etc. The State Departmant
may as well have the media bcc'd on all its memos.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "John Schutkeker" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
14 Sep 2006 01:29:13 PM |
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wrote in news:1157778487.064690.199060
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid
leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the
Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
Phone: (801)422-2521.
Please be clear and polite!
Don't be ridiculous. A fool can see that Jones has stepped in it. He
called the tune, and to those who believe in the omnipotence of cause
and effect, now he must pay the piper. The guy seems to be a magnet for
crank science, because he was strongly associated with the cold fusion
fiasco, back in '89, as you already knew.
However, I thought that tenure protected professors from such attacks.
If they place him on permanent leave, will he continue to draw a full
paycheck until retirement?
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| User: "Orval Fairbairn" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
14 Sep 2006 06:17:00 PM |
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In article <Xns983E9360C7911lkajehoriuasldfjknak@207.115.17.102>,
John Schutkeker <jschutkeker@sbcglobal.net.nospam> wrote:
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote in news:1157778487.064690.199060
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid
leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the
Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
Phone: (801)422-2521.
Please be clear and polite!
Don't be ridiculous. A fool can see that Jones has stepped in it. He
called the tune, and to those who believe in the omnipotence of cause
and effect, now he must pay the piper. The guy seems to be a magnet for
crank science, because he was strongly associated with the cold fusion
fiasco, back in '89, as you already knew.
However, I thought that tenure protected professors from such attacks.
If they place him on permanent leave, will he continue to draw a full
paycheck until retirement?
They are going to create a new "Department of Psychoceramics" for him to
chair. Prof. "Uncle Fester" Fetzer will come out of retirement and join
him.
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
09 Sep 2006 11:12:54 AM |
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wrote:
Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid
leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the
Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
Phone: (801)422-2521.
Please be clear and polite!
Steven Jones ignores the Principle of Parsimony in postulating a
government conspiracy and cover-up:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_J._Hanlon
He vastly overestimates the competence of the government in keeping
secrets.
As long as he is on *PAID* leave, he needs nothing from me.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "jcon" |
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12 Sep 2006 07:19:37 AM |
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tadchem wrote:
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid
leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the
Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
Phone: (801)422-2521.
Please be clear and polite!
Steven Jones ignores the Principle of Parsimony in postulating a
government conspiracy and cover-up:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_J._Hanlon
He vastly overestimates the competence of the government in keeping
secrets.
I have lots of friends who gravitate to conspiracy theories, and
whenever
this one comes up, my first response is "Don't you think a government
capable of putting together such an ingenious deception in just
a few months and keeping it secret for this long could manage
the much simpler task of PLANTING SOME F&%&ING WND'S
IN IRAQ!".
This argument seems to work better than any based on
engineering or physics.
-jc
As long as he is on *PAID* leave, he needs nothing from me.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "shevek" |
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| Title: Re: Support Steven Jones |
12 Sep 2006 11:49:15 AM |
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jcon wrote:
tadchem wrote:
schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid
leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the 9/11 truth
movement that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the
Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.
Support Steven Jones by contacting the BYU physics department:
Email: physics_office AT byu.edu
Phone: (801)422-2521.
Please be clear and polite!
Steven Jones ignores the Principle of Parsimony in postulating a
government conspiracy and cover-up:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_J._Hanlon
He vastly overestimates the competence of the government in keeping
secrets.
I have lots of friends who gravitate to conspiracy theories, and
whenever
this one comes up, my first response is "Don't you think a government
capable of putting together such an ingenious deception in just
a few months and keeping it secret for this long could manage
the much simpler task of PLANTING SOME F&%&ING WND'S
IN IRAQ!".
This argument seems to work better than any based on
engineering or physics.
Nice one!
Seems there were different parties involved. Would you believe it,
multiple entitities.. inside the government?
Here's another crazy conspiracy theory for your friends:
The craziest of all conspiracy theories
Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event
there will usually be at least one ,often several wild conspiracy
theories which spring up around it. "The CIA killed Hendrix" " The Pope
had John Lennon murdered ", "Hitler was half Werewolf", "Space aliens
replaced Nixon with a clone" etc,etc. The bigger the event, the more
ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate
in relation to it. So its hardly surprising that the events of Sept 11
2001 have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And
as always, there is - sadly - a small but gullible percentage of the
population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or
rational analysis.
One of the wilder stories circulating about Sept 11, and one that has
attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs is
that it was carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by
an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other
than that they "hate our freedoms."
Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of
this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of
delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage
across the internet and the media to the extent that a number of
otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell.
Normally I don't even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the
effect that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little
rational analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as
all such silly conspiracy theories.
These crackpots even contend that the extremist Bush regime was caught
unawares by the attacks, had no hand in organizing them, and actually
would have stopped them if it had been able.
Blindly ignoring the stand down of the US air-force, the insider
trading on airline stocks - linked to the CIA, the complicit behavior
of Bush on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the
WTC, the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other
documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the
conspiracy theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about 19 Arab
hijackers somehow managing to commandeer 4 planes simultaneously and
fly them around US airspace for nearly 2 hours ,crashing them into
important buildings, without the US intelligence services having any
idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do.
The huge difficulties with such a stupid story force them to invent
even more preposturous stories to distract from its core silliness, and
thus the tale has escalated into a mythic fantasy of truly gargantuan
proportions.
It's difficult to apply rational analysis to such unmitigated
stupidity, but that is the task which I take on in this article.
However, it should be noted that one of the curious characteristics of
conspiracy theorists is that they effortlessly change their so called
evidence in response to each aspect which is debunked. As soon as one
delusion is unmasked, they simply invent another to replace it, and
deny that the first ever existed. Eventually, when they have turned
full circle through this endlessly changing fantasy fog , they then
re-invent the original delusion and deny that you ever debunked it,
thus beginning the circle once more. This technique is known as "the
fruit loop" and saves the conspiracy theorist from ever having to see
any of their ideas through to their (ill)logical conclusions.
According to the practitioners of the fruit loop, 19 Arabs took over
the 4 planes by subduing the passengers and crew through the use of
guns,knives,box cutters and gas, and then used electronic guidance
systems which they had smuggled on board to fly the planes to their
targets.
The suspension of disbelief required for this outrageous concoction is
only for the hard core conspiracy theorist. For a start, they
conveniently skip over the awkward fact that there weren't any Arabs on
the planes. If there were, one must speculate that they somehow got on
board without being filmed by any of the security cameras and without
being registered on the passenger lists. But the curly question of how
they are supposed to have got on board is all too mundane for the
exciting world of the conspiracy theorist. With vague mumblings that
they must have been using false ID ( but never specifying which IDs
they are alleged to have used, or how these were traced to their real
identities), they quickly bypass this problem, to relate exciting and
sinister tales about how some of the fictitious fiends were actually
searched before boarding because they looked suspicious. However, as
inevitably happens with any web of lies, this simply paints them into
an even more difficult
corner. How are they supposed to have got on board with all that stuff
if they were searched ? And if they used gas in a confined space, they
would have been affected themselves unless they also had masks in their
luggage.
"Excuse me sir, why do you have a boxcutter, a gun, a container of gas,
a gas mask and an electronic guidance unit in your luggage?"
"A present for your grandmother? Very well sir, on you get."
"Very strange", thinks the security officer. "That's the fourth Arabic
man without an Arabic name who just got on board with a knife, gun or
boxcutter and gas mask. And why does that security camera keep flicking
off every time one these characters shows up? Must be one of those days
I guess..."
Asking any of these basic questions to a conspiracy theorist is likely
to cause a sudden leap to the claim that we know that they were on
board because they left a credit card trail for the tickets they had
purchased and cars they had rented. So if they used credit cards that
identified them, how does that reconcile with the claim that they used
false IDs to get on to the plane? But by this time ,the fruit loop is
in full swing, as the conspiracy theorist tries to stay one jump ahead
of this annoying and awkward rational analysis.They will allege that
the hijackers' passports were found at the crash scenes. "So there!"
they exalt triumphantly, their fanatical faces lighting up with that
deranged look of one who has just a revelation of questionable sanity.
Hmm? So they got on board with false IDs but took their real passports
with them? However, by this time the fruit loop has been completely
circumnavigated,and the conspiracy theorist exclaims impatiently, "Who
said anything about false IDs? We know what seats they were sitting in!
Their presence is well documented!" And so the whole loop starts again.
"Well, why aren't they on the passenger lists?"
"You numbskull! They assumed the identities of other passengers!" And
so on...
Finally, out of sheer fascination with this circular method of creative
delusion , the rational sceptic will allow them to get away with this
loop, in order to move on to the next question, and see what further
delights await us in the unraveling of this marvelously stupid story.
"Uh, how come their passports survived fiery crashes that completely
incinerated the planes and all the passengers? " The answer of course
is that its just one of those strange co-incidences, those little
quirks of fate that do happen from time to time. You know, like the
same person winning the lottery four weeks in a row. The odds are
astronomical, but these things do happen...
This is another favourite deductive method of the conspiracy theorist.
The "improbability drive" , in which they decide upon a conclusion
without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and then continually
speculate a series of wildly improbable events and unbelievable
co-incidences to support it, shrugging off the implausibility of each
event with the vague assertion that sometimes the impossible happens
(just about all the time in their world). There is a principle called
"Occam's razor" which suggests that in the absence of evidence to the
contrary, the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct.
Conspiracy theorists hate Occam's razor.
Having for the sake of amusement, allowed them to get away with with
the silly story of the 19 invisible Arabs, we move on to the question
of how they are supposed to have taken over the planes.
Hijacking a plane is not an easy thing to do. Hijacking it without the
pilot being able to alert ground control is near impossible. The pilot
has only to punch in a four digit code to alert ground control to a
hijacking. Unconcerned with the awkward question of plausibility, the
conspiracy buffs maintain that on that Sept 11, the invisible hijackers
took over the plane by the rather crude method of threatening people
with boxcutters and knives, and spraying gas (after they had attached
their masks, obviously), but somehow took control of the plane without
the crew first getting a chance to punch in the hijacking code. Not
just on one plane, but on all four. At this point in the tale, the
conspiracy theorist is again forced to call upon the services of the
improbability drive.
So now that our incredibly lucky hijackers have taken control of the
planes, all four pilots fly them with breath taking skill and certainty
to their fiery end, all four pilots unflinching in their steely resolve
for a swift meeting with Allah. Apart from their psychotic hatred of
"our freedoms" , it was their fanatical devotion to Islam which enabled
them to summon up the iron will to do this. Which is strange, because
according to another piece of hearsay peddled by the conspiracy buffs,
these guys actually went out drinking and womanizing the night before
their great martyrdom, even leaving their Korans in the bar -really
impeccable Islamic behavior - and then got up at 5am the next morning
to pull off the greatest covert operation in history. This also
requires us to believe that they were even clear headed enough to learn
how to fly the huge planes by reading flight manuals in Arabic in the
car on the way to the airport. We know this because they supposedly
left the
flight manuals there for us to find.
It gets better. Their practical training had allegedly been limited to
Cessnas and flight simulators, but this was no barrier to the
unflinching certainty with which they took over the planes and
skillfully guided them to their doom. If they are supposed to have done
their flight training with these tools, which would be available just
about anywhere in the world, its not clear why they would have decided
to risk blowing their cover to US intelligence services by doing the
training in Florida, rather than somewhere in the Middle East, but such
reasoning is foreign to the foggy world of the conspiracy theorist ,
too trapped in the constant rotation of the mental fruit loop to make
their unsubstantiated fabrications seem even semi-believable.
Having triumphantly established a circular delusion in support of the
mythical Arabs, the conspiracy theorist now confronts the difficult
question of why there's nothing left of the planes. Anybody who has
seen the endlessly replayed footage of the second plane going into the
WTC will realize that the plane was packed with explosives. Planes do
not and cannot blow up into nothing in that manner when they crash.
Did the mythical Arabs also haul a huge heap of explosives on board,
and mange to deploy them in such a manner that they went off in the
exact instant of the crash, completely vapourizing the plane? This is a
little difficult even for the conspiracy theorist, who at this point
decides that its easier to invent new laws of physics in order to keep
the delusion rolling along.
There weren't any explosives. It wasn't an inside job. The plane blew
up into nothing from its exploding fuel load! Remarkable! Sluggishly
combustible jet fuel which is basically kerosine,and which burns at a
maximum temperature of around 800 C has suddenly taken on the qualities
of a ferociously explosive demolition agent, vapourizing 65 tons of
aircraft into a puff of smoke. Never mind that a plane of that size
contains around 15 tons of steel and titanium, of which even the
melting points are about double that of the maximum combustion
temperature of kerosine - let alone the boiling point - which is what
would be required to vapourize a plane. And then there's about 50 tons
of aluminium to be accounted for. In excess of 15lbs of metal for each
gallon of kerosine.
For the conspiracy theorist, such inconvenient facts are vaguely
dismissed as "mumbo jumbo". This convenient little phrase is their
answer to just about anything factual or logical. Like a conjurer
pulling a rabbit out of a hat, they suddenly become fanatically
insistent about the devastating explosive qualities of kerosine,
something hitherto completely unknown to science, but just discovered
by them, this very minute. Blissfully ignoring the fact that never
before or since in aviation history has a plane vapourized into nothing
from an exploding fuel load, the conspiracy theorist relies upon
Hollywood images, where the effects are are always larger than life,
and certainly larger than the intellects of these cretins.
"Its a well known fact that planes blow up into nothing on impact."
they state with pompous certainty. "Watch any Bruce Willis movie."
"Care to provide any documented examples? If it's a well known fact,
then presumably this well known fact springs from some kind of
documentation - other than Bruce Willis movies ?"
At this point the mad but cunning eyes of the conspiracy theorist will
narrow as they sense the corner that they have backed themselves into,
and plan their escape by means of another stunning backflip.
"Ah, but planes have never crashed into buildings before, so there's no
way of telling." they counter with a sly grin.
Well, actually planes have crashed into buildings before and since, and
not vapourized into nothing.
"But not big planes, with that much fuel ", they shriek in hysterical
denial.
Or that much metal to vapourize.
"Yes but not hijacked planes!"
"Are you suggesting that whether the crash is deliberate or accidental
affects the combustion qualities of the fuel?"
"Now you're just being silly".
Although collisions with buildings are rare, planes frequently crash
into mountains, streets, other aircraft, nosedive into the ground,or
have bombs planted aboard them, and don't vapourize into nothing.
What's so special about a tower that's mostly glass? But by now, the
conspiracy theorist has once again sailed happily around the fruit
loop. "Its a well documented fact that planes explode into nothing on
impact."
Effortlessly weaving back and forth between the position that its a
"well known fact" and that "its never happened before, so we have
nothing to compare it to", the conspiracy theorist has now convinced
themselves ( if not too many other people) that the WTC plane was not
loaded with explosives, and that the instant vapourization of the plane
in a massive fireball was the same as any other plane crash you might
care to mention. Round and round the fruit. loop...
But the hurdles which confront the conspiracy theorist are many, and
they are now forced to implement even more creative uses for the newly
discovered shockingly destructive qualities of kerosine. They have to
explain how the Arabs also engineered the elegant veritcal collapse of
both the WTC towers, and for this awkward fact the easiest counter is
to simply deny that it was a controlled demolition, and claim that the
buildings collapsed from fire caused by the burning kerosine.
For this, its necessary to sweep aside the second law of thermodynamics
and propose kerosine which is not only impossibly destructive, but also
recycles itself for a second burning in violation of the law of
degradation of energy. You see, it not only consumed itself in a sudden
catastrophic fireball , vapourizing a 65 ton plane into nothing, but
then came back for a second go, burning at 2000C for another hour at
the impact point, melting the skyscraper's steel like butter. And while
it was doing all this it also poured down the elevator shafts, starting
fires all through the building. When I was at school there was a little
thing called the entropy law which suggests that a given portion of
fuel can only burn once, something which is readily observable in the
real world, even for those who didn't make it to junior high school
science. But this is no problem for the conspiracy theorist. Gleefully,
they claim that a few thousand gallons of kerosine is enough to
:completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft
:have enough left over to burn ferociously enough for over an hour at
the impact point to melt steel ( melting point about double the maximum
combustion temperature of the fuel )
:still have enough left over to pour down the elevator shafts and start
similarly destructive fires all through the building.
This kerosine really is remarkable stuff! How chilling to realize that
those kerosine heaters we had in the house when I was a kid were deadly
bombs, just waiting to go off. One false move and the entire street
might have been vapourized. And never again will I take kerosine lamps
out camping. One moment you're there innocently holding the lamp - the
next - kapow! Vapourized into nothing along with with the rest of the
camp site, and still leaving enough of the deadly stuff to start a
massive forest fire.
These whackos are actually claiming that the raging inferno allegedly
created by the miraculously recycling, and impossibly hot burning
kerosine melted or at least softened the steel supports of the
skyscraper. Oblivious to the fact that the smoke coming from the WTC
was black, which indicates an oxygen starved fire -therefore, not
particularly hot, they trumpet an alleged temperature in the building
of 2000 C , without a shred of evidence to support this curious
suspension of the laws of physics.
Not content with this ludicrous garbage, they then contend that as the
steel frames softened, they came straight down instead of buckling and
twisting and falling sideways.
Since they're already re-engineered the combustion qualities of jet
fuel, violated the second law of thermodynamics, and re-defined the
structural properties of steel, why let a little thing like the laws of
gravity get in the way?
The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling
object, dropped from that height, meaning that its physically
impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors
smashing through the lower floors. But according to the conspiracy
theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the
morning of Sept 11. It appears that the evil psychic power of those
dreadful Arabs knew no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were
able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the tower at a
speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been
meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures originally
designed to resist many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the
impact of a Boeing passenger jet straying off course.
Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at
school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why.
"Muslim terrorists stole my notes, sir"
"No miss, the kerosine heater blew up and vapourized everything in the
street, except for my passport."
"You see sir, the schoolbus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my
homework because they hate our freedoms."
Or perhaps they misunderstood the term "creative science" and
mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their
science homework.
The ferocious heat generated by this ghastly kerosine was, according to
the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims
can't be identified. DNA is destroyed by heat. (Although 2000 C isn't
really required, 100C will generally do the job.) This is quite
remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of
DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city.
That's right! If you are killed by an Arab terrorist in NY, your DNA
will be destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an
Arab terrorist in Washington DC, your DNA will be so robust that it can
survive temperatures which completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft.
You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile
which hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the
hijacked planes. And to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a
propaganda statement from the Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims
that all but one of the people aboard the plane were identified from
the site by DNA testing, even though nothing remains of the plane. The
plane was vapourized by the fuel tank explosion maintain these space
loonies, but the people inside it were all but one identified by DNA
testing.
So there we have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon
which city you're in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story
you're trying to sell at any particular time.
This concoction about one of the hijacked planes hitting the Pentagon
really is a howler. For those not familiar with the layout of the
Pentagon, it consists of 5 rings of building, each with a space
inbetween. Each ring of building is about 30 to 35 ft deep, with a
similar amount of open space between it and the next ring. The object
which penetrated the Pentagon went in at about a 45 degree angle,
punching a neat circular hole of about a 12 ft diameter through three
rings ( six walls).A little later a section of wall about 65 ft wide
collapsed in the outer ring. Since the plane which the conspiracy
theorists claim to be responsible for the impact had a wing span of 125
ft and a length of 155 ft, and there was no wreckage of the plane,
either inside or outside the building, and the lawns outside were still
smooth and green enough to play golf on, this crazy delusion is clearly
physically impossible.
But hey, we've already disregarded the combustion qualities of jet
fuel, the normal properties of common building materials, the
properties of DNA, the laws of gravity and the second law of
thermodynamics, so what the hell - why not throw in a little spatial
impossibility as well ? I would have thought that the observation that
a solid object cannot pass through another solid object without leaving
a hole at least as big as itself is reasonably sound science. But to
the conspiracy theorist, this is "mumbo jumbo". It conflicts with the
delusion that they're hooked on, so it "must be wrong" although trying
to get them to explain exactly how it could be wrong is a futile
endeavour.
Conspiracy theorists fly into a curious panic whenever the Pentagon
missile is mentioned.They nervously maintain that the plane was
vapourized by it's exploding fuel load and point to the WTC crash as
evidence of this behavior. (That's a wonderful fruit loop.) Like an
insect which has just been sprayed, running back and forth in its last
mad death throes, they first argue that the reason the hole is so small
is that the plane never entered the wall, having blown up outside, and
then suddenly backflip to explain the 250 ft deep missile hole by
saying that the plane disappeared all the way into the building, and
then blew up inside the building (even though the building shows no
sign of such damage). As for what happened to the wings - here's where
they get really creative. The wings snapped off and folded into the
fuselage which then carried them into the building, which then closed
up behind the plane like a piece of meat.
When it suits them, they'll also claim that the plane slid in on its
belly, (ignoring the undamaged lawn) while at the same time citing
alleged witnesses to the plane diving steeply into the building from an
"irrecoverable angle." How they reconcile these two scenarios as being
compatible is truly a study in stupidity.
Once they get desperate enough, you can be sure that the UFO conspiracy
stuff will make an appearance. The Arabs are in league with the
Martians. Space aliens snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and
fixed most of the hole in the wall, just to confuse people. They gave
the Arabs invisibility pills to help get them onto the planes. Little
green men were seen talking to Bin Laden a few weeks prior to the
attacks.
As the nation gears up to impeach the traitor Bush, and stop his
perpetual oil war, it's not helpful to have these idiots distracting
from the process by spreading silly conspiracy theories about mythical
Arabs, stories which do nothing but play into the hands of the
extremist Bush regime.
At a less serious time, we might tolerate such crackpots with amused
detachment, but they need to understand that the treachery that was
perpetrated on Sept 11, and the subsequent war crimes committed in
"retaliation" are far too serious for us to allow such frivolous self
indulgence to go unchallenged.
Those who are truly addicted to conspiracy delusions should find a more
appropriate outlet for their paranoia.
Its time to stop loony conspiracy theories about Sept 11.
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schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
Please be clear and polite!
One conspiracy nut asks to support another conspiracy nut. More news at
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