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"uri" |
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14 Aug 2007 08:01:53 AM |
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Teleportation |
Imagine you could be teleported to any location on earth. You could
teleport from country to country. For example you could teleport from
Israel to Canada and from Canada to Russia. Would it not be great?
Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from
one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling
through space.
With present techniques, "exact" quantum teleportation is possible
only with photons and atoms.[1] "Inexact" teleportation (where quantum
states are not preserved), is possible by encoding information about
an object, transmitting the information to another place, such as by
radio or an electric signal, and creating a copy of the original
object in the new location. Teleportation has also been proposed to
explain various anomalous phenomena, and the concept has been widely
used in science fiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation
http://www.howstuffworks.com/teleportation.htm
http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/articles/06-10-06
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| User: "qbit" |
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| Title: Re: Teleportation |
14 Aug 2007 08:08:53 AM |
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"uri" <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote
Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from
one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling
through space.
This is another marketing trick of the Einstein charlatans
for selling their crap books.
If, then is teleportation certainly not possible for living objects,
and only very limited possible for 'dead' matter.
Because you cannot know all the subatomic positions at time t.
See Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.
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| User: "Grendel" |
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| Title: Re: Teleportation |
14 Aug 2007 08:47:32 AM |
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On Aug 14, 8:08 am, "qbit" <q...@quantumworldz.com> wrote:
"uri" <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote
Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from
one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling
through space.
This is another marketing trick of the Einstein charlatans
for selling their crap books.
If, then is teleportation certainly not possible for living objects,
and only very limited possible for 'dead' matter.
Because you cannot know all the subatomic positions at time t.
See Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.
What exactly is an 'Einstein charlatan'?
Barring the actual mechanics of actual teleportation, I think the
single biggest hurdle will be with conservation of energy, especially
the kinetic kind.
If you step into a transporter on the equator, with an angular
momentum of ~1041mph (25,000 mile diameter / 24 hours), and emerged in
Alaska at the 60th parallel, that has an angular momentum of
~521mph...you would retain your 'equator' momentum, and go skipping
across the ground to the east at ~520mph. If you were to reverse the
process (enter in Alaska, emerge on Equator) the Earth would be
traveling faster than you and you would go skipping to the West at
~520mph.
Now, the above scenario only applies if you teleport along the same
line of longitude. If you were to teleport from an area to an area
that is 90=B0 longitudely opposed, then you would either fly into the
air or be driven into the ground at ~520mph.
Then of course, if it were ran by the airlines, they'd be able to
loose you luggage much faster by transporting you to Hawaii and
transporting your luggage into orbit.
And we'd have to worry about jokers, who would hack the transporters
to transport you but leave your clothes behind.
Yol Bolsun,
Grendel.
"When you get to the edges of knowledge, be careful where you
step...that's where the ***** is deepest."-Solomon Short.
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| User: "darwinist" |
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| Title: Re: Teleportation |
14 Aug 2007 08:20:59 PM |
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On Aug 14, 11:01 pm, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
Imagine you could be teleported to any location on earth. You could
teleport from country to country. For example you could teleport from
Israel to Canada and from Canada to Russia. Would it not be great?
Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from
one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling
through space.
With present techniques, "exact" quantum teleportation is possible
only with photons and atoms.[1] "Inexact" teleportation (where quantum
states are not preserved), is possible by encoding information about
an object, transmitting the information to another place, such as by
radio or an electric signal, and creating a copy of the original
object in the new location. Teleportation has also been proposed to
explain various anomalous phenomena, and the concept has been widely
used in science fiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportationhttp://www.howstuffworks.com/teleportation.htmhttp://www.autoindustry.co.uk/articles/06-10-06
I think more realistic (in the near future) is simply "hooking in" to
a humanoid robot that's on the other side of the world, controlling
it, and taking its sensory input via the internet and a Virtual
Reality headset and bodysuit.
You could go from one tourist bot to another, effectively teleporting
from one country to another, having control and sensing the
environment.
Not quite as good but more feasible.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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14 Aug 2007 11:02:55 PM |
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On Aug 14, 6:01 am, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
Imagine you could be teleported to any location on earth. You could
teleport from country to country. For example you could teleport from
Israel to Canada and from Canada to Russia. Would it not be great?
Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from
one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling
through space.
If a peice of music is recorded and broadcast from a radio station, is
the information on the CD telported and recreated at the radio
recievers?
With present techniques, "exact" quantum teleportation is possible
only with photons and atoms.[1] "Inexact" teleportation (where quantum
states are not preserved), is possible by encoding information about
an object, transmitting the information to another place, such as by
radio or an electric signal, and creating a copy of the original
object in the new location. Teleportation has also been proposed to
explain various anomalous phenomena, and the concept has been widely
used in science fiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportationhttp://www.howstuffworks.com/teleportation.htmhttp://www.autoindustry.co.uk/articles/06-10-06
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| User: "Scotius Ponti Fickatur" |
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03 Sep 2007 05:25:02 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:01:53 -0700, uri <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote:
Imagine you could be teleported to any location on earth. You could
teleport from country to country. For example you could teleport from
Israel to Canada and from Canada to Russia. Would it not be great?
Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from
one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling
through space.
With present techniques, "exact" quantum teleportation is possible
only with photons and atoms.[1] "Inexact" teleportation (where quantum
states are not preserved), is possible by encoding information about
an object, transmitting the information to another place, such as by
radio or an electric signal, and creating a copy of the original
object in the new location. Teleportation has also been proposed to
explain various anomalous phenomena, and the concept has been widely
used in science fiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation
http://www.howstuffworks.com/teleportation.htm
http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/articles/06-10-06
I think I'd rather be able to fly. Being teleported wouldn't
give you a spectacular view of much of anything.
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| User: "the_blogologist" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:06:06 PM |
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Would your soal be teleported as well?
uri <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote:
Imagine you could be teleported to any location on earth. You could
teleport from country to country. For example you could teleport from
Israel to Canada and from Canada to Russia. Would it not be great?
Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from
one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling
through space.
With present techniques, "exact" quantum teleportation is possible
only with photons and atoms.[1] "Inexact" teleportation (where quantum
states are not preserved), is possible by encoding information about
an object, transmitting the information to another place, such as by
radio or an electric signal, and creating a copy of the original
object in the new location. Teleportation has also been proposed to
explain various anomalous phenomena, and the concept has been widely
used in science fiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation
http://www.howstuffworks.com/teleportation.htm
http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/articles/06-10-06
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| User: "Androcles" |
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14 Aug 2007 08:11:21 PM |
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"the_blogologist" <nobody@nowheres.com> wrote in message
news:1i2uaqa.1yhs7x9zcrdy0N%nobody@nowheres.com...
: Would your soal be teleported as well?
Solely if he kept his shoes on.
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: uri <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote:
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: > Imagine you could be teleported to any location on earth. You could
: > teleport from country to country. For example you could teleport from
: > Israel to Canada and from Canada to Russia. Would it not be great?
: >
: > Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from
: > one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling
: > through space.
: >
: > With present techniques, "exact" quantum teleportation is possible
: > only with photons and atoms.[1] "Inexact" teleportation (where quantum
: > states are not preserved), is possible by encoding information about
: > an object, transmitting the information to another place, such as by
: > radio or an electric signal, and creating a copy of the original
: > object in the new location. Teleportation has also been proposed to
: > explain various anomalous phenomena, and the concept has been widely
: > used in science fiction.
: >
: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation
: > http://www.howstuffworks.com/teleportation.htm
: > http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/articles/06-10-06
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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14 Aug 2007 09:05:26 AM |
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uri wrote:
Imagine you could be teleported to any location on earth.
Violation of conservation of linear and angular momentum. Or, you hit
HARD unless you teleport to the same latitude on the opposite side of
the equator.
You could
teleport from country to country. For example you could teleport from
Israel to Canada and from Canada to Russia. Would it not be great?
Gift-wrap an H-bomb, set its timer to 5 sec, teleport. How great is
that? Ditto smallpox, VX, or a million gallon pig waste lagoon in
Arkansas. Oh Mecca...
Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from
one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling
through space.
[snip crap]
Idiot. "Teleportation" is the remote duplication of quantum state.
Nothing material "transports." Relativistic electron tunneling in
graphene isn't some hallucination of a hypernuclear partical
accelerator, either.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "uri" |
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| Title: Re: Teleportation |
14 Aug 2007 01:29:39 PM |
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Teleportation is currently in the realm of science fiction and
fantasy. There is no known way to move matter from place to place
instantaneously, and there is no prospect of any. Subsequent laws of
physics may render it entirely impossible.
All visible baryonic matter in the cosmos is made of quarks and gluons
which together make the strong nuclear force. But physicists have
evidence that not all matter is visible and baryonic or interacts with
the electromagnetic force. The rest of the matter in the cosmos is
dark matter and dark energy which are probably made of superstrings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theory
http://superstringtheory.com/
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| User: "Rex" |
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03 Sep 2007 05:54:09 PM |
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On Aug 15, 2:29 am, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
Teleportation is currently in the realm of science fiction and
fantasy. There is no known way to move matter from place to place
instantaneously, and there is no prospect of any. Subsequent laws of
physics may render it entirely impossible.
That's not entirely true. There are so called elementals that physics
have not yet discovered. These semi intelligence quantum entities
can piggyback on the objects quantum properties being teleported.
The elementals can carry the relationships of each atom or particle
to the whole as well as constituting them to their fundamental
reality..
for example.. if all information in 3D can be put in the surface of
2D (holographic principle), you can alter the properties of quantum
objects in another way without dealing directly with the concept of
binding energies, endothemic, exothermic reactions ,etc. Now after
the elementals lock to the object, it can surf in spacetime and
teleportating the object in another location. This is commonly
experienced in occult circle and by genuine sorcerers down the
ages. But of course because of its dangers.. they are closely
guarded secrets. But the veil is opening now and we have the
right for it.. although it is our responsibles to prevent Al Qaeda
from using the knowledge to teleport a nuke in Washington D.C.
Rex - ex-sorcerer
All visible baryonic matter in the cosmos is made of quarks and gluons
which together make the strong nuclear force. But physicists have
evidence that not all matter is visible and baryonic or interacts with
the electromagnetic force. The rest of the matter in the cosmos is
dark matter and dark energy which are probably made of superstrings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theoryhttp://superstringtheory.com/
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| User: "Rex" |
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03 Sep 2007 06:06:13 PM |
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On Sep 4, 6:54 am, Rex <relativitexcali...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 15, 2:29 am, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
Teleportation is currently in the realm of science fiction and
fantasy. There is no known way to move matter from place to place
instantaneously, and there is no prospect of any. Subsequent laws of
physics may render it entirely impossible.
That's not entirely true. There are so called elementals that physics
have not yet discovered. These semi intelligence quantum entities
can piggyback on the objects quantum properties being teleported.
The elementals can carry the relationships of each atom or particle
to the whole as well as constituting them to their fundamental
reality..
for example.. if all information in 3D can be put in the surface of
2D (holographic principle), you can alter the properties of quantum
objects in another way without dealing directly with the concept of
binding energies, endothemic, exothermic reactions ,etc. Now after
the elementals lock to the object, it can surf in spacetime and
teleportating the object in another location. This is commonly
experienced in occult circle and by genuine sorcerers down the
ages. But of course because of its dangers.. they are closely
guarded secrets. But the veil is opening now and we have the
right for it.. although it is our responsibles to prevent Al Qaeda
from using the knowledge to teleport a nuke in Washington D.C.
Rex - ex-sorcerer
Btw.. in rare cases, these elementals can go berseck when under
the control of certain people. The result is Poltergeist Activity
where stones and other objects can teleport inside the room and
outside. Try to go to poltergeist areas or infestations and you can
see objects materializing in front of you... not just stones but
dolls and frogs depending on the temperaments of the
elementals and the unconscious tendencies of the focus.
rex
All visible baryonic matter in the cosmos is made of quarks and gluons
which together make the strong nuclear force. But physicists have
evidence that not all matter is visible and baryonic or interacts with
the electromagnetic force. The rest of the matter in the cosmos is
dark matter and dark energy which are probably made of superstrings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theoryhttp://superstringtheo...- Hide quoted text -
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| User: "uri" |
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04 Sep 2007 10:37:48 AM |
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With present techniques, "exact" quantum teleportation is possible
only with photons and atoms. In October 2006, Eugene Polzik and his
team at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen in
Denmark conducted a teleportation experiment involving a microscopic
atomic object containing trillions of atoms. They teleported the
information a distance of half a metre. "For the first time, it
involves teleportation between light and matter, two different
objects."
http://science.meetup.com/32/boards/view/viewthread?thread=2276821
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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14 Aug 2007 03:59:15 PM |
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uri wrote:
Teleportation is currently in the realm of science fiction and
fantasy. There is no known way to move matter from place to place
instantaneously, and there is no prospect of any. Subsequent laws of
physics may render it entirely impossible.
It doesn't work that way, it works the other way. Physics derives
from observation. One does not bet against a conservation law unless
one has an empirically consistent, reducible to practice loophole.
All visible baryonic matter in the cosmos is made of quarks and gluons
which together make the strong nuclear force.
You are babbling. A substantial chunk of universe is photons,
neutrinos, and electrons that are internally structureless and do not
decay.
But physicists have
evidence that not all matter is visible and baryonic or interacts with
the electromagnetic force.
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=652
The Bullet Nebula. So?
The rest of the matter in the cosmos is
dark matter and dark energy which are probably made of superstrings.
***** on the "probably." ***** on "possibly," too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theory
http://superstringtheory.com/
Everything in Wikipedia or on the Web isn't Shinola.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Teleportation |
14 Aug 2007 04:40:42 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:46C217A3.2CB7116B@hate.spam.net...
: uri wrote:
: >
: > Teleportation is currently in the realm of science fiction and
: > fantasy. There is no known way to move matter from place to place
: > instantaneously, and there is no prospect of any. Subsequent laws of
: > physics may render it entirely impossible.
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: It doesn't work that way, it works the other way. Physics derives
: from observation.
*****, physics derives from Einstein said so.
"we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel
from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A. "
0) We establish by definition that YOU are a fuckhead.
1) YOU are a fuckhead.
2) YOU are a fuckhead.
3) YOU are a fuckhead.
4) YOU are a fuckhead.
4) YOU are a fuckhead.
5) YOU are a fuckhead.
6) Got it yet?
7) YOU are a fuckhead.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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14 Aug 2007 06:10:17 PM |
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uri wrote:
Imagine you could be teleported to any location on earth. You could
teleport from country to country. For example you could teleport from
Israel to Canada and from Canada to Russia. Would it not be great?
Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from
one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling
through space.
With present techniques, "exact" quantum teleportation is possible
only with photons and atoms.[1] "Inexact" teleportation (where quantum
states are not preserved), is possible by encoding information about
an object, transmitting the information to another place, such as by
radio or an electric signal, and creating a copy of the original
object in the new location. Teleportation has also been proposed to
explain various anomalous phenomena, and the concept has been widely
used in science fiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation
http://www.howstuffworks.com/teleportation.htm
http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/articles/06-10-06
An Einstein-Rosen bridge might be easier.
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| User: "Ben Rudiak-Gould" |
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14 Aug 2007 08:11:47 AM |
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uri wrote:
Imagine you could be teleported to any location on earth. You could
teleport from country to country. For example you could teleport from
Israel to Canada and from Canada to Russia. Would it not be great?
Only if the members of my extended family that I prefer not to see too often
don't have access too.
With present techniques, "exact" quantum teleportation is possible
only with photons and atoms.[1]
This is just a terminology problem. Quantum teleportation isn't
teleportation in the sense you were talking about above. Think of it this
way: quantum teleportation solves a problem with teleportation that doesn't
even exist in the classical case, namely how to work around the uncertainty
principle. It still leaves all the problems of classical teleportation, such
as how you're actually going to take human beings apart and put them back
together again.
-- Ben
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| User: "Ben Rudiak-Gould" |
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15 Aug 2007 12:05:32 PM |
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I wrote:
quantum teleportation solves a problem with teleportation that
doesn't even exist in the classical case, namely how to work around the
uncertainty principle. It still leaves all the problems of classical
teleportation, such as how you're actually going to take human beings
apart and put them back together again.
I should add that the only advantage you get from the quantum teleportation
protocol, versus just sending the state directly, is that you only need a
classical communication channel rather than a quantum one. But for every
electron state you send this way you need a shared Bell pair, and generating
and storing Bell pairs is enormously more difficult than just using a
quantum channel in the first place. In fact, you need a quantum channel
anyway to distribute the Bell pairs. I can't think of any situation where
you'd actually want to send quantum states by teleportation, even when it's
feasible to do so.
-- Ben
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