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Topic:	Science > Physics
User:	"George"
Date:	19 Aug 2005 08:31:03 AM
Object:	Temprature on Moon Surface

Since Moon does not have atmosphere so an astronaut standing on its
surface would experience very hot under his feet but his nose would be
freezing is that how it goes,
even if the surface is experiencing direct sunlight which heats up the
surface, but it must be loosing pretty fast.
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User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	22 Aug 2005 04:28:57 PM

Dear George, tj Frazir and all other friends of humanity, as well as to
all others as official rusemasters like Sam Wormley and T Wake;

Mean surface temperature (day) 107=B0C
Mean surface temperature (night) -153=B0C
Maximum surface temperature 123=B0C
Minimum surface temperature -233=B0C

Since so much of your MI5/NSA~NASA moon is so cornmeal/portland cement
light-gray to near-white, thus so gosh darn albedo reflective, not to
mention of hosting such a slight depth of static-free dust that's quite
nicely clumping to boot, apparently not even the least bit reactive nor
at all like the official archives chuck full of perfectly nifty Kodak
moments as having been obtained from orbit, along with several of those
frames having perfectly reliable color and reflective/albedo examples
by which to base the true surface color as having been photo-recorded
upon their Kodak film, and since the surface of your moon is supposely
entirely without any atmosphere as per trapping any of the secondary
thermal energy, as then you'll just have to love what them dirty rotten
Russians are going to accomplish right under your extremely dumbfounded
brown noses.
BTW; my basalt/dirt cheap moon physics isn't just about the potential
of terraforming that nasty sucker into being a bit more robotically
available for science and astronomy, as it's also about establishing a
viable Lunar Space Elevator as for otherwise becoming Star-Wars high
ground.
Moon Physics via Russian LSE-CM/ISS and He3 update:
In spite of our best perpetrated cold-war efforts, as to know thy enemy
and to snooker thy humanity, Russia seems to have retained just about
everything else under the sun to work with (certainly having been a
whole lot more rocket-science smarter than we are), so I'd have to
honestly speculate they have whatever it takes for accomplishing a
fusion reactor, or at least they'll soon have it fully established by
the time their first shipments of lunar He3 arrive.
However, as for their getting whatever safely and energy efficiently
to/from the lunar surface needs to first deal with securing the basis
of their establishing a good Lunar Space Elevator, which has been
technically doable within existing laws of physics and well as within
existing technology and of products that unlike spendy nano-tubes are
insead of mostly continuous basalt fiber, thus dirt/rock cheap and
basically off the shelf as being 100% capable of being provided by way
of the moon, via raw basalt processing along with usage of all the pure
solar energy of what's way more than sufficient for the task of
producing such unlimited composite fibers on behalf of creating tethers
without taking another kg worth of Earthly substance nor energy.
This is not a joke, whereas a robotic deployment of applied technology
that's perfectly capable of processing upon the local basalt and
whatever other elements, as processed via solar farm of perhaps 1e6 m2
should be capable of deriving 1e9 j/m2 worth of process heat that's
happening within a near vacuum with only the purity of Argon and a few
other clean and obviously dry gasses to deal with, which should only
improve upon the basalt foundry process while insuring the ultimate
fiber of 4.84 GPa, if not a whole lot better.
Getting folks and of whatever robotic stuff and of exporting products
safely away from the LSE-CM/ISS that's being tether held just slightly
towards Earth gravity isn't 1% of the risk factor nor of is it taking
1% the overall energy/kg as per having to fly-by-rocket such items and
folks directly to/from the lunar surface. A se of counter balance
elevators and electromagnetic breaking actually becomes another energy
generating consideration. Terraforming the moon with itself becomes too
obvious, as from the high-ground of 62,000 km is from where any number
of methods for artificially impacting the moon becomes exceedingly
efficient and safe.
Here's another brief (less wordy) rundown on the LSE-CM/ISS, of which
since others can't seem to be bothered and/or would rather not be
implicated in disclosing the truth and nothing but the truth, thus I've
given my less than ideal math another lose cannon shot in the dark
because, I know as a matter of physics fact that I'm essentially right,
and just because my math hasn't been up to your standards isn't a
disqualification of the truth that's here to behold, it's just proving
that I'm a whole lot more right about so much other that's been related
about our moon, as well as per the ulterior motives and hidden agendas
of so many as having been running us amuck for decades, as every bit as
much as I'd thought possible, and then some.
I'd thought honest folks already knew about the LSE-CM/ISS, whereas
this Lunar Space Elevator as outfitted with a rather sizable (1e6 m3)
ISS abode within, as being situated roughly 62,000 km off the highly
reactive lunar deck (perhaps +/- a few thousand km) depends upon how
the tethers are having to tensioned, along with the deployed dipole
element and the CCM aspects as providing methods of interactively
keeping the CM/ISS gravity-well usage situation within the relative
safety and energy efficiency of approprately taking advantage of the
EM-L2/ME-L1 sweet-spot, though perhaps having to reside a sufficient
distance towards mother Earth is the most likely solution that could
have the CM/ISS residing as much as 66,000 km off the lunar deck.
(E)------>EM-L2=3D322,400 km>------><CM/ISS><--<ME-L1=3D62,000 km<--(M)
Beside gravity issues, there's a slight but quite usable factor of
Centrifugal or Apparent Force of revolution as based upon a period of
27.3217 days.
Whereas 655.728 hrs/revolution =3D 2.3606e6 seconds/revolution
Circumference @1r of 1738 km =3D 10.9202e6 meters
Surface (1r)velocity =3D 10.9202e6/2.3606e6 =3D 4.626 m/s (roughly 1% of
Earth)
1r =3D (10.92e6 m)=3D 4.626 m/s
2r =3D (21.84e6 m)=3D 9.252 m/s
4r =3D 18.504 m/s
8r =3D 37.008 m/s
16r =3D 74.016 m/s
32r =3D 148.032 m/s
ME-L1+ @35.673r (62,000 km) =3D 389.5575e6 meters circumference =3D 165.025
m/s
Actually, if that 62,000 km CM/ISS position were taken from the lunar
surface becomes an average of roughly 2.2 km towards Earth, thus if
anything there's a slight Earthly pull upon the CM/ISS, although since
everything is supposedly interactive and adjustable, there's absolutely
anything you'd care to create in terms of tether tension. However, for
my basic calculations and of limited math is where I've come up with
the following data that can obviously be computer modeled to any point
of being 3D and as much interactive worthy of absolutes as necessary.
Speeding up the computer model by 1e6:1 should be quite entertaining at
2=2E36 seconds per revolution, or 2.55 seconds/Synodic period.
Centripetal force calculation of the CM/ISS as 50,000 t at 62,000 km
traveling at 165 m/s
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf
The centrifugal or Apparent force of the LSE-CM at 50,000 tonnes =3D 2239
kg
2239 kg worth of centrifugal or apparent force applied onto the tether
is rather obviously in of itself insufficient for tensioning the
primary tethers as anchored into the moon, thus placing the CM/ISS a
bit further away from the moon is option No.1 (@50,000t each 0.001G =3D
50 tonnes), increasing the overall mass of the CM/ISS to 100,000 t or
even 500,000 t becomes option No.2, and/or of having deployed a fairly
substantial tether dipole element as headed directly towards mother
Earth, as perhaps reaching that element to within 50,000 km (closer if
you'd dare since there's a +/- 22,000 km variable to deal with that can
also be made fully interactive so as to regulate the platform distance)
and of that dipole element having the substantial termination pod or
platform of hosting a dozen or so of those nifty star-wars 100 GW laser
cannons, whereas perhaps this item affording yet another sizable ISS
abode and DoD star-wars outpost worth 5,800t becomes worth 100 t of
tether pull, whereas 58,000t is still doable at creating something less
than 1,000t of apparent average gravity force while situated at the
range of 50,000 km, that plus having to accommodate 272,500 km worth of
a robust composite tether weighing in at perhaps 1 kg/m is 272,500
tonnes. However, because of it's average distance of 161,200 km from
Earth shouldn't represent more than 272,500/605 =3D 500 tonnes of
apparent force. Thus a given design 500 tonnes + 1000 tonnes =3D 1500
tonnes extra primary tether tensioning as pulling upon the CM/ISS
towards Earth.
BTW; this LSE is not imposing any significant threat to the rescssion
and/or orbit of our moon, whereas I'd been previously informed or
perhap intentionally misinformed by others having been fooling with my
head as to believe that roughly 5 terajoules of tidal and velocity
sustaining energy is responsible for sustaining the current velocity
and recession of 38 mm/year. Obviously this amount seems in error if
we're talking about the entire moon being worth 7.35e22 kg, and of
moving that sucker away at the velocity of 38 mm/year.
Thus how about the apparent velocity of .038/31.536e6 =3D 1.205e-9 m/s
7=2E35e22 * 1.205e-9 =3D 88.5675e12 joules without having included for
whatever Vt/slug drag coeficient which should place that moon recession
and maintaince of velocity at something better than 100 terajoules.
Even dividing that energy equally between Earth and the moon =3D 50
terajoules.
Another confusing method for my dyslexic brain but otherwise suggested
by the likes of an online "ENERGY UNIT CONVERSION CALCULATOR" of
work/energy calculation as based upon the kgf.m/s of a 7.35e22 kg moon
that's moving itself off supposedly via tital energy by 0.038 m/year
seems to have come up with 868.53 TJ. Thus either way we're looking at
way more than whatever influence an LSE and tether dipole element can
apply. In other related words of my limited wisdom; if you wanted to
terraform a given hot and nastly planet with that of an icy proto-moon,
such as ours being perhaps worth 4000 km upon arrivial, whereas such
godly or whatever astrophsics happenstance of such items going bump in
the night, it seems that ours (meaning on behalf of terraforming mother
Earth) is about as good as it gets, plus having left us with a nifty
hulk of a de-iced moon that's just hanging aound for us village idiots
to do something with.
Another energy related thought; each 1000t of tether force/m/s =3D
9=2E80665 MJ
Even though there's an average transition of +/- 17.34 m/s (thus +/-
170 MJ/1000t) associated within every 29.5 days, that's obviously a
give and take situation that month by month should nullify.
As purely another suggestion; the primary tethers might be at least
twice the mass as per the dipole element, thus 62,000 km =3D 124,000
tonnes worth of basalt/silica composite tethers that isn't hardly worth
anything because of the 1/6th gravity of the moon to start off with,
then being an average distance 31,000 km represents a gravity force
reduction of 318:1, thereby 124,000/6/318 =3D 65 tonnes of tether mass
pulling down upon the 50,000t CM/ISS. Thus perhaps it'll be a good
notion of making the primary tethers four fold tougher than the dipole
element (better safe than sorry).
It's certainly a bit more complicated than all of that, being that I
have an available nearby CCM(counter-counter mass) element placed as an
interactive(vertically moving) moonward pulling compensation element,
that plus whatever the final CM/ISS mass, and/or of it's linear
placement and of the tether dipole element are entirely adjustable in
terms of their overall mass and of their linear placements, so that
there'd be no possible situation that couldn't be fully R&D engineered
to suit and/or robotically accommodated while on the fly. The only part
of the plan that'll require being regulated or floating at nearly the
exact ME-L1/EM-L2(zero gravity) is of the massive counter-rotating
energy storage flywheels, whereas them massive and powerful energy
storage suckers should not affect tether tensioning either way unless
this active energy storage element were utilized as to replace the
interactive CCM component.
As usual, I'll have to keep working this one over a bit in order to
update into a few of my previously established external pages as having
been pertaining to the Lunar Space Elevator. Any feedback as viable
contributions and whatever math corrections will certainly be
appreciated and given the fullest of credits for your efforts, which
obviously excludes 99.9% of such all-knowing USENET folks that are
simply far too cloak and dagger brown-nosed to give an incest cloned
borg's worth of a tinkers damn about any of this, or of anything other
that'll honestly benefit humanity, or otherwise they wouldn't dare
contribute squat (other than MOS of their dog-wagging flak) out of
lethal fears as per their Skull and Bones nondisclosure enforcements by
those MEN-in-BLACK that took care of JFK and of that whistle-blowing
NASA safety engineer and of his entire family to boot.
Actually, I believe the MI5/NSA Whistleblowing Code is a code of
nondisclosure/silence, or else.
~
Life on Venus, Township w/Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
"In war there are no rules" - Brad Guth
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User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	22 Aug 2005 04:34:35 PM

"Brad Guth" <ieisbradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124746137.248654.70600@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Dear George, tj Frazir and all other friends of humanity, as well as to
all others as official rusemasters like Sam Wormley and T Wake;
I am flattered I get a proper mention in your "posts" now. Thanks.
Few quick ones for you - do you honestly believe what you write? You must
spend hours constructing these posts.......
You do realise MI5 doesn't exist don't you? That is a name made up by the
press. You will have a bit more credibility if you refer to them by their
proper name = "Security Service."
However given the, erm, tone, of your posts I am not sure you mind too much
about accuracy or credibility. For example "MI5" (Security Service) is a
"homeland" agency - if you think "Incest Cloned Borgs" are trying to do
things outside the UK you may mean the Secret Intelligence Service ("MI6" if
you choose to use your incorrect nomenclature).
By the way, what does "Incest Cloned Borgs" actually mean?
.

User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	22 Aug 2005 05:18:05 PM

T Wake;

Few quick ones for you - do you honestly believe what you write? You must
spend hours constructing these posts.......

YES and NO.
As we know, MI5 has been upgraded/replaced with the likes of MI6, much
like our FBI/CIA/NSA is supposedly DHS, thus it's perfectly OK to cause
so much collateral damage and carnage of the innocent.
Unlike yourself, I'm not the least bit all-knowing (I even make my fair
share of mistakes), whereas incest cloned borgs like yourself can
decode whatever comes along, if need be taken out of context and/or
having evidence exclusion applied whenever and wherever need be in
order to suit your Skull and Bones ulterior motives and hidden agendas.

By the way, what does "Incest Cloned Borgs" actually mean?

It usually means having to do with the intellectual mindset of whatever
the mainstream status quo is insisting be the case. However, in your
instance it's perhaps equally if not a bit more so biologically based
than not, whereas a good indicator is how brown of a nose you've got to
work with, that and the flavor of your intellectual blood-sucking
flatulence goes without saying.
Obviously, as the incest cloned borg that you are, you're not about to
contribute squat as to the Russian LSE-CM/ISS and He3 update as
pertaining to their fusion reactors, are you?
~
Life on Venus, a Township, Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
"In war there are no rules" - Brad Guth
.

User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	22 Aug 2005 06:05:55 PM

"Brad Guth" <ieisbradguth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124749085.647959.210480@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

T Wake;

Few quick ones for you - do you honestly believe what you write? You must
spend hours constructing these posts.......

YES and NO.

Ok. You must type fast then.

As we know, MI5 has been upgraded/replaced with the likes of MI6, much
like our FBI/CIA/NSA is supposedly DHS, thus it's perfectly OK to cause
so much collateral damage and carnage of the innocent.

What you call MI6 was actually the first department formed. And it hasn't
replaced the Security Service. But thats OK, you dont really worry too much
about being correct do you? Thats why you and tj Frazir get on so well....

Unlike yourself, I'm not the least bit all-knowing (I even make my fair
share of mistakes), whereas incest cloned borgs like yourself can
decode whatever comes along, if need be taken out of context and/or
having evidence exclusion applied whenever and wherever need be in
order to suit your Skull and Bones ulterior motives and hidden agendas.

I dont know if this is a compliment or an insult.

By the way, what does "Incest Cloned Borgs" actually mean?

Do you use a random word generator?

Obviously, as the incest cloned borg that you are, you're not about to
contribute squat as to the Russian LSE-CM/ISS and He3 update as
pertaining to their fusion reactors, are you?

Nope.
.

User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	22 Aug 2005 10:11:49 PM

T Wake
Apparently within your conditional laws of physics and soft brown-nosed
science is where having a bone dry and thus crystal clear atmosphere of
mostly argon, plus a good chance of a layer of radon upon the surface,
that should actually create quite an insulative but otherwise 100%
transparent lens, isn't supposed to make the dark basalt as surrounded
by such a thick dust covered 11~12% albedo worth of the moon any hotter
than 123=B0C. The same must apply as for why those unfiltered
EVA/moonsuit walking Kodak moments failed to record any of the
secondary/recoil photons, and why the Sirius star system went totally
WMD stealth exactly like Venus.
Apparently such evidence exclusions is what lets you sleep, even though
so much collateral damage and carnage of the innocent proceeds
according to your plan of action, just like our mutually perpetrated
cold-wars have taken away trillions and damn near accomplished WW-III
in the process.
END random word generator
~
Life on Venus, Township w/Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
"In war there are no rules" - Brad Guth
.

User: "Nick"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	21 Aug 2005 08:17:14 PM

George wrote:

If the sun was shining on the astronauts nose it would
be quite warm. I think you're right about the ground.
.

User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	21 Aug 2005 09:53:07 PM

Basalt is what nasa landed in.
calcium coral from guam !!
1970 it was a basalt moon.
1997 its a titanium 22 % iron 8 % moon.
1970 nasa moon had no atmosphere.
1997 its 4 gasses argon.
mr15016.gif
Address:http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/cchoice/moonrocks/images/mr15016.gif
Changed:7:32 PM on Sunday, November 23, 2003
This basalt has 5 % iron identical to aruba .
Where did it come from ?
1970 dont match 1997 at all.
1997 is a titanium orion oxide BLACK .
The basalt flows are titanium flows.
DARK BLUE is the color of the moon.
not orange not white.
Nasa keeps quite about it.

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User: "George"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	23 Aug 2005 01:15:12 AM

George wrote:

this thread is much like a "Chinese whisper"
.

User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	21 Sep 2005 08:07:01 PM

George,
Nuking our moon via a sub-frozen CO2 dirty-bomb worth of Ra-226/Rn-222
isn't quite the same thing as commonly thought of here upon Earth.
Radium-226 which creates Rn-222 could be easily delivered to our moon
using conventional SBRs. Otherwise frozen Rn-222 sequestered within
frozen CO2 may have to accomplish the task if folks can't take a hint
as to what's otherwise possible.
B1ackwater offers this moon related topic;
NASA Back to Moon by 2018 - But WHY ?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/browse_frm/thread/bfe561b9=
824b9f1a/ecfa8369f334ec56?hl=3Den#ecfa8369f334ec56
This is an extremely nice topic and as such it imposes a damn good set
of rational questions and alternatives, especially important since
we're nearly bankrupt. However, since "NASA formally unveils lunar
exploration architecture", then perhaps we village idiots can seriously
discuss those potentially lethal physical impacts, thermal issues,
radioactive, reactive and atmospheric environment about our moon that
really summarily sucks worse off than our resident warlord(GW Bush),
especially by day unless you're one hell of a robot that at most
couldn't cost us 1% that of any manned expedition, and not 0.1% if
there's no return ticket to ride.
It seems the status quo is entirely mindset into their usual
taboo/nondisclosure yet somehow that's perfectly fine and dandy for the
likes of wizard "David Knisely", whereas otherwise life involving the
regular laws of physics and hard-science that's the least bit outside
the box is where pesky morals or so much as having a stitch of remorse
sucks because;
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/tree/browse_frm/thread/312=
c0ee1964db812/85e2050d1b0c9a78?rnum=3D11&hl=3Den&q=3Dbrad+guth&_done=3D%2Fg=
roup%2Fsci.astro.amateur%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F312c0ee1964db812%2F8ee6a5d=
795a6cc43%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Dbrad+guth%26rnum%3D7%26hl%3Den%26#doc_abc3dca90e=
b703fc

There are some posters out there
who feel the need to formulate
their own elaborate theories
about the heavens and their fate.

And otherwise lord/rusemaster David Knisely having contributed yet
another very nicely worded mainstream status quo rant, which is exactly
why such all-knowing folks as Knisely are not all that likely going to
contribute an honest need-to-know squat upon this next related
sub-topic as to the lunar atmosphere and subsequent environment.
The temperature or rather the temperature extremes found on moon
surface is what I believe can become moderated to suit, at least on
behalf of greatly improving the odds on behalf of robotics that can be
robust and thus engineered so as to not care about their local thermal
or radioactive background dosage environment nor of whatever's incoming
that's producing all of that truly nasty secondary/recoil worth of
hard-X-rays. However, with having such a crystal clear layer of Radon
plus another extended layer of Argon should create quit a well
insulated surface baking environment that's capable of getting a damn
site hotter than the sort of hell reported by our cloak and dagger
MI6/NSA~NASA Apollo spooks.
In spite of all the brown-nosed minions of their mainstream status quo
that thinks and/or keeps insisting at we village idiots should only
think that we've already done that and been there, thus why all of
their need-to-know and/or taboo/nondisclosure that sucks and blows at
the same time, which only seems rather out of proper form, especially
when it appears that building/terraforming an artificial lunar
atmosphere for robotics has been doable without our ever risking so
much as one TBI white hair upon another astronaut:
Not that I'm insisting this as the one and only alternative, however
for further sportmanship reasons I'm thinking that the likes of Radon
gas should become liquid at night and, otherwise expand out to perhaps
an atmospheric depth of a km by day. Topped off by mostly argon that
might reach as far as 50 km by day and something less than 10 km by
nighttime/earthshine.
According to Mike Williams;
"The strength of the surface gravity (1.623 m/s/s) isn't the critical
factor. What's more significant is the escape velocity (Moon 2.38km/s,
Titan 2.65km/s)."
"The heavier gas sticks around but the useful gas escapes. The various
types of molecules settle down to having the same average kinetic
energy,
but that means that the lighter molecules move faster than the heavier
ones. They move just as fast, in fact, as if the heavier molecules were
not present."
"There's a piece of JavaScript on this page
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/kintem.html#c4>
that will calculate the average molecular speed given the molecular
mass
and temperature. N2 molecules (m=3D28) on Titan (T=3D-197C) average 260m/s
which is about a tenth of the escape velocity. CO2 molecules (m=3D28) on
the Moon (daytime T=3D107C) average 464m/s which is about a fifth of the
escape velocity. That might sound OK, but not all molecules travel at
the average velocity, some travel faster and leak away. The Earth isn't
able to hold on to hydrogen molecules, and they average about a fifth
of
Earth's escape velocity."
"Radon atoms would travel at an average of 206m/s on the Moon, which
suggests that you could build an atmosphere of pure Radon."
Density of dry ice: anywhere from 1.2 to 1.6 kg/dm=B3 depends upon
compactness (avg 1.5 g/cm3)
Frozen solid form at -78.5=B0 C
Sublimes at anything much hoter than -78=B0C
In a snowball form of compactness upon the moon it may represent less
than 1 g/cm3.
Radon, Rn-222 atomic number: 86
Atomic mass: [222] gmol-1(no stable nuclide)
Isotope: 222Rn (222.017570)
Specific gravity of the liquid state is 4.4 g/cm3 at -62=B0C, and SG of
the solid state becomes 4 g/cm3, thus 4 tonnes/m3 if frozen solid and
especially frozen solid if that Rn were sequestered by the likes of
frozen CO2 at 1.5 g/mm3.
Radium-226 which creates Rn-222
Symbol: Ra
Atomic number: 88
Atomic weight: [226]
A cubic meter of each substance, be it CO2, Radium-226 or even
Radon-222 that which by most accounts is exactly what Earth needs to
get rid of anyway, may represent a composite sphere of 5.5~6 tonnes,
and even that's not going to actually be all that large of diameter of
what's encased within dry-ice that can be easily directed at impacting
(not orbiting) the moon. From the zero-G vantage point of such being
easily and thus efficiently accelerated from the nullification zone of
roughly 60,000 km away from the moon's surface might offer 3600
seconds, in that there's an unobstructed path of least resistance
that'll obviously benefit greatly from the final 1.623 m/s/s worth of
gravity assist, whereas this task should not require all that much
added thrust energy if any for getting the final velocity up to good
speed of final impact becoming worth 30 km/s (9 fold better KE bang/kg
than DEEP IMPACT). Although, what's in the path of stopping us from
achieving a roundabout head-on impact of 60+km/s?.
Impacting our moon with 6 tonnes worth of most any substance that's
arriving at 30 km/s should represent more than enouth KE for producing
6e6 tonnes of vaporised lunar basalt.
Our moon has been classified as already fairly radioactive by several
fold greater than Earth, thus another clue that our moon is actually
that of an ET icy proto-moon as having arrived instead of being ejected
out of Earth, that plus having the much lesser density makes a whole
lot more sense than any spendy computer model that's keeping the likes
of a Pope and other terrestrial or bust sorts of religions as happy
campers about their being the one and only intelligent life in the
entire universe, even thosgh that notion is a bit more depressing than
our having the likes of GW Bush as our resident warlord.
Of course, my lunar terraforming notions of artificially bombing the
holy crap out of our moon with the likes of large blocks or spheres of
dry-ice having frozen Rn within, besides creating whatever horrific
meteor like impacts worth of vaporising lunar basalt into capably
releasing a ratio of 1e6:1 worth of O2, the very nature of the
delivered CO2 might subsequently revert to just good old elements of
co/o2 or perhaps react into just C and O2, whereas the Radon element
should have vanished within a few days unless we'd replaced and/or
supplemented that lunar bombing of frozen Rn with the likes of
including Ra226 which might even react quite nicely with the already
available He3 into making a nifty long-term supply of creating Rn.
After the Ra226 is sufficiently depleted, say in 6400 years it should
be at 1/16th of it's initial potency, and by then having established a
good amount of terraformed atmosphere as becoming the case since the
amount of continual Radon-222 would have extensively moderated the
hot/cold of the lunar day/night differential to something quite
manageable for the likes of holding onto O2, whereas by then there
shouldn't be hardly any significant local radioactive threat for naked
humans that could be safely accommodated for 60 earthshine days upon
the surface of our moon, that which a reasonably engineered moonsuit
couldn't manage, or at least sufficient as for accommodating the likes
of whomever we don't want living here on Earth (I have a growing list
of whom those folks should be, roughly the bulk of the upper 0.1% of
humanity that have been pillaging and raping mother Earth while
continually snookering the lower 99.9% of humanity, and I do believe
there should be plenty of available space on and/or within the moon for
accommodating each and every one of those 15e6 folks in spite of all
the deployed Ra226 that upon average shouldn't have modified the
already background radioactive terrain by more than 10%).
According to the above "Molecular Speed Calculation" of Argon-40, even
if the elevated average altitude represented at worst 100=B0C (373K)
would give Argon the maximum RMS velocity of 482.4 m/s which obviously
should stick around. Even that of O2-32 only jumps to an RMS velocity
of 539 m/s which should also stay put at least up until a truly nasty
solar wind of 1200~2400 km/s excavates such lighter mass elements away.
So, you tell me why artificially bombing our moon, and especially with
the sorts of nasty stuff that Earth is getting more and more desperate
to get rid of isn't such a good idea.

So stick to just the cold hard facts
and do not engage these fools.
As time goes on, they should then fade
and prove that knowledge rules!

- D. Knisely
Obviously this nifty rant closing was speaking on behalf of warning us
about himself, as for our not bothering to engage such mainstream
rusemasters because, doing so will only bring us MOS LLPOF infomercials
and thus wasting human talents, resources of expertise and energy as
well as sustaining collateral damage and continued carnage of the
innocent.
BTW; just because certain folks fade is more than likely because theve
become too smart to waste valuable time and resources upon the lost
cause of humanity that's ruled by and thereby performing as brown-nosed
minions to the upper most 0.1%, of which the likes of lord D. Knisely
is apparently even somewhat above that.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
.

User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	26 Sep 2005 07:56:41 PM

This is for the benefit of George and to all others of this "Temprature
on Moon Surface" topic,
Besides the raw solar influx aspects of 1.4 kw/m2 scorching
continuously upon the moon for nearly a month at a time, thus getting
whatever's dark and nasty extremely hot. How about for the all around
sporting heck of it all, lets say we jump off the mainstream status quo
good ship LOLLIPOP in order to discuss our going back to our moon for
the very first time, so as to get an honest to God grasp upon whatever
the lunar atmosphere is actually all about. Of course, I'm speaking
robotically since it's usually so downright hot, reactive and nasty or
otherwise just damn cold and nasty upon our moon, not to mention that
robotics are certainly a whole lot cheaper than clumping moon-dirt and
obviously so much safer as compared to human efforts and, since we're
talking of accomplishing a one way robotic ticket to ride and hardly of
any R&D required, as such they're damn fast at getting the job done.
Rather gosh darn pathetically odd that there was never one usenet
contribution or even a sub-topic generated as to this perfectly nifty
NYT published consideration;
Moon's thin atmosphere extends farther than thought
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/browse_frm/thread/59366d395809215b/ac201e82b060a176?lnk=st&q=lunar+atmosphere&rnum=9&hl=en#ac201e82b060a176
FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES:
Moon's thin atmosphere extends farther than thought
(c) 1995 Copyright Nando.net
(c) 1995 N.Y. Times News Service
Now researchers at Boston University, who two years ago determined
that the rarefied gas bubble surrounding the Moon extended 5,000 miles
high, say new studies show that the lunar atmosphere reaches out twice
as far.
The astronomers, Dr. Michael Mendillo and Dr. Jeffrey Baumgardner of
the Center for Space Physics at Boston University, said that during
the eclipse the Moon was totally in Earth's shadow, blocking the
bright moonlight that obscures observations of gases in the lunar
atmosphere. Under these conditions, the astronomers were able to
detect the faint glow of sodium gas, which serves as a marker for
other gases in the lunar atmosphere.
"We were surprised to find that this glow extended to over nine times
the radius of the Moon, to a height of about 14,000 kilometers, or
9,000 miles above the Moon's surface," Mendillo said.
The researchers say their observations have enabled them to rule out
some theories on the origin of the lunar atmosphere. They believe that
the most likely explanation is the evaporation of atoms from the lunar
surface when it is struck by light particles called photons coming
from sunlight. Sodium and other elements escape the surface through
erosion caused by the bombardment of photons.
The astronomers earlier ruled out a suggestion that the lunar
atmosphere was formed by the constant bombardment of the surface by
micrometeorites. If the micrometeorite theory was true, they said, the
atmosphere would be evenly distributed instead of being irregular in
shape, as their measurements indicate.
Another theory holds that solar wind -- charged particles streaming
from the Sun -- kicks up surface atoms as it lashes the lunar surface.
But the researchers said this theory now appeared to be eliminated
because Earth's magnetic field traps solar wind and shields the lunar
surface during the full-moon phase, when their observations show the
tenuous lunar atmosphere fully extended above the surface.
-
If the regular lunar atmosphere extends out as far as having been
reported, then obviously doing the math of what was at the time of Nov.
1993 as detectable at 14,000 km off the lunar deck as being perhaps 100
atoms/cm3 worth of sodium, whereas that certainly represents quit a bit
of what's compiled upon the deck, especially since sodium is certainly
one of the lighter elements of mass that's associated within the mostly
basalt lunar surface that's having been continually giving berth to
such sodium gas. Obviously the meteor impacts that contributed a great
deal of further insult to injury were subsequently generating massive
amounts of additional sodium atmosphere, thereby having co-generated
the other vaporised raw elements, such as good old O2 that which
wouldn't have been so easily excavated away by the typical hot and
nasty gauntlet of solar winds.
According to Mike Williams;
"The strength of the surface gravity (1.623 m/s/s) isn't the critical
factor. What's more significant is the escape velocity (Moon 2.38km/s,
Titan 2.65km/s)."
"The heavier gas sticks around but the useful gas escapes. The various
types of molecules settle down to having the same average kinetic
energy, but that means that the lighter molecules move faster than the
heavier ones. They move just as fast, in fact, as if the heavier
molecules were not present."
"There's a piece of JavaScript on this page
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/kintem.html#c4>
that will calculate the average molecular speed given the molecular
mass and temperature. N2 molecules (m=28) on Titan (T=-197C) average
260m/s which is about a tenth of the escape velocity. CO2 molecules
(m=28) on the Moon (daytime T=107C) average 464m/s which is about a
fifth of the escape velocity. That might sound OK, but not all
molecules travel at the average velocity, some travel faster and leak
away. The Earth isn't able to hold on to hydrogen molecules, and they
average about a fifth of Earth's escape velocity."
"Radon atoms would travel at an average of 206m/s on the Moon, which
suggests that you could build an atmosphere of pure Radon."
Of course, for building and sustaining that sort of a radon atmosphere,
for that to happen the moon might require having a good amount of
Radium(Ra-226) as for generating the Rn-222 gas, although a good amount
of raw solar influx and thus secondary/recoil reactions might otherwise
accomplish this same task, that plus the matter of fact that our moon
is considerably more radiaoactive than Earth should go to waste.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
.

User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	27 Sep 2005 01:05:32 PM

This update is for the benefit of George and to all others of this
"Temprature on Moon Surface" topic.
Perhaps before we common folk and the likes of "tj Frazir" can fully
appreciate "What's actually HOT and NASTY about Venus", instead we may
need to regress a few decades in order to appreciate what's actually
HOT and NASTY about our Moon?
Besides the raw solar influx aspects of 1.4 kw/m2 scorching
continuously upon most any given portion of the moon for nearly a month
at a time, thus getting whatever's dark and nasty extremely hot and not
to mention damn reactive as all get out. How about for the all around
sporting heck of it all, lets say we jump off the mainstream status quo
good ship LOLLIPOP that's entirely owned and operated by our
NASA/Apollo rusemasters, in order to discuss our going back to our moon
for the very first time, so as to get an honest to God grasp upon
whatever the lunar atmosphere is actually all about. Of course, I'm
speaking robotically since it's usually so downright hot, reactive and
physically nasty or otherwise just damn cold and nasty upon our moon,
not to mention that robotics are certainly a whole lot cheaper than
clumping moon-dirt and obviously so much safer as compared to human
efforts and, since we're talking of accomplishing this as a one way
robotic ticket to ride and there shouldn't hardly be any R&D required,
as such robots are going to be damn fast at getting the job done, and
without any need of their having banked bone marrow standing by.
Seems rather gosh darn pathetically odd that there was never one usenet
contribution or even a sub-topic generated thought as to this perfectly
nifty NYT published consideration;
Moon's thin atmosphere extends farther than thought
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/browse_frm/thread/59366d395809215b/ac201e82b060a176?lnk=st&q=lunar+atmosphere&rnum=9&hl=en#ac201e82b060a176
FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES:
Moon's thin atmosphere extends farther than thought
(c) 1995 Copyright Nando.net
(c) 1995 N.Y. Times News Service
Now researchers at Boston University, who two years ago determined
that the rarefied gas bubble surrounding the Moon extended 5,000 miles
high, say new studies show that the lunar atmosphere reaches out twice
as far.
The astronomers, Dr. Michael Mendillo and Dr. Jeffrey Baumgardner of
the Center for Space Physics at Boston University, said that during
the eclipse the Moon was totally in Earth's shadow, blocking the
bright moonlight that obscures observations of gases in the lunar
atmosphere. Under these conditions, the astronomers were able to
detect the faint glow of sodium gas, which serves as a marker for
other gases in the lunar atmosphere.
"We were surprised to find that this glow extended to over nine times
the radius of the Moon, to a height of about 14,000 kilometers, or
9,000 miles above the Moon's surface," Mendillo said.
The researchers say their observations have enabled them to rule out
some theories on the origin of the lunar atmosphere. They believe that
the most likely explanation is the evaporation of atoms from the lunar
surface when it is struck by light particles called photons coming
from sunlight. Sodium and other elements escape the surface through
erosion caused by the bombardment of photons.
The astronomers earlier ruled out a suggestion that the lunar
atmosphere was formed by the constant bombardment of the surface by
micrometeorites. If the micrometeorite theory was true, they said, the
atmosphere would be evenly distributed instead of being irregular in
shape, as their measurements indicate.
Another theory holds that solar wind -- charged particles streaming
from the Sun -- kicks up surface atoms as it lashes the lunar surface.
But the researchers said this theory now appeared to be eliminated
because Earth's magnetic field traps solar wind and shields the lunar
surface during the full-moon phase, when their observations show the
tenuous lunar atmosphere fully extended above the surface.
-
If the regular lunar atmosphere extends out as far as having been
reported, then obviously doing the math of what was at the time of Nov.
1993 as having been detectable at 8r (14,000 km) off the lunar deck as
representing perhaps 100 atoms/cm3 worth of sodium, whereas that amount
certainly represents quit a bit of what's compiled upon the deck
(12.8e6/cm3 or 12.8e9/m3), especially since sodium is most certainly
one of the lighter elements of available mass that's associated within
the mostly basalt lunar surface that's having been continually giving
berth to such sodium gas. Obviously from meteor impacts that
contributed a great deal of further insult to injury were subsequently
generating massive amounts of additional sodium atmosphere, thereby
having co-generated other elements such as good old O2 of which the
molecular speed of hot O2 simply wouldn't have been so easily excavated
away by the typical hot and nasty gauntlet of solar winds (100~300
km/s).
Upon being under siege my a nasty gauntlet of micro and not so micro
meteorites might easily suggest having multiplied the atmospheric
population of sodium by as great as a billion fold, making the near
surface sodium density worth 6.4e15/m3 plus the other heavier elements
as equally having been released becoming near worthy of creating 0.028
bar.
This image and information as to Leonids impacting the Moon imposes
further notions as to what the intensity of such impacts created with
respect to the visible aspects of sodium.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast26oct_1.htm
Without a surface deployed probe taking various direct measurements, as
such we can't possibly begin to imagine what that surface environment
situation would have looked and felt like up close and personal. Of
course I've tried several times to suggest we need this sort of raw
data and, lo and behold each and every time the mainstream status quo
of need-to-know and otherwise taboo/nondisclosure flak was
insurmountable.
Besides the O2 that most certainly had to have been made available,
there's also Argon, Xenon, possibly a touch of CO2 plus other extremely
heavy elements, including the likes of existing Rn-222(radon) that's
around most of the time as having been naturally created by the
available Ra-226(radium) and via secondary/recoil reactions as having
been solar and cosmic contributed. Therefore, our moon is not nearly as
devoid of an atmosphere as we'd thought. As for deploying the modern
day micro probes of perhaps as little as one kg becomes quite doable,
with somewhat larger deployments accomplished as each of these highly
affordable efforts produces a better understanding of what other
methods can be achieved within such a thin but otherwise available
atmosphere that's actually fairly respectable considering the 1/6th
gravity factor.
According to Mike Williams;
"The strength of the surface gravity (1.623 m/s/s) isn't the critical
factor. What's more significant is the escape velocity (Moon 2.38km/s,
Titan 2.65km/s)."
"The heavier gas sticks around but the useful gas escapes. The various
types of molecules settle down to having the same average kinetic
energy, but that means that the lighter molecules move faster than the
heavier ones. They move just as fast, in fact, as if the heavier
molecules were not present."
"There's a piece of JavaScript on this page
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/kintem.html#c4>
that will calculate the average molecular speed given the molecular
mass and temperature. N2 molecules (m=28) on Titan (T=-197C) average
260m/s which is about a tenth of the escape velocity. CO2 molecules
(m=28) on the Moon (daytime T=107C) average 464m/s which is about a
fifth of the escape velocity. That might sound OK, but not all
molecules travel at the average velocity, some travel faster and leak
away. The Earth isn't able to hold on to hydrogen molecules, and they
average about a fifth of Earth's escape velocity."
"Radon atoms would travel at an average of 206m/s on the Moon, which
suggests that you could build an atmosphere of pure Radon."
Of course, for building and sustaining that sort of a radon atmosphere,
as for that to happen the moon requires having a good amount of
background cash of radioactive elements including Radium(Ra-226) as for
generating the Rn-222 gas, although a good amount of raw solar influx
and thus secondary/recoil reactions might otherwise accomplish this
same task, that plus the matter of accepted fact that our moon has been
identified as being considerably more radioactive than Earth shouldn't
have gone to waste.
Fortunately for us humans terraforming our moon into being livable (at
least within), radium half life is 1600 years and thus the radon
generated shouldn't be around forever. In fact, if our icy proto-moon
wasn't so gosh darn newish, as such most of the radioactive raw
elements simply would have faded away by now, that is for other than
what's continually solar and cosmic contributed and supposedly
responsible for creating the sequestered He3, of which someone
eventually needs to go there and process for obtaining that nifty
substance before Earth runs itself entirely out of fossil/geological
based energy and we turn ourselves into another Mars.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
.

User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	26 Oct 2005 04:31:37 PM

LRn (Liquid Rn222) is one of those use-it or lose-it lunar elements.
If the lunar surface were covered by a highly insulative worth of a few
meters depth of Radon(Rn222) that's crystal clear while hot. How
exactly extra hot and subsequently nasty would the 11~12% dark as well
as reactive lunar surface get?
Just above the layer of daytime Radon(Rn222) gas would have to be the
argon, and above that would be the sodium atmosphere that's well
documented as going past 14,000 km. Thus adding just those two
relatively clear elements on top of the already highly insulative
Radon(Rn222) that's crystal clear seems to be offering a nearly a
perfect surround of an insulative atmosphere which should allow the
bulk of solar spectrum influx in, getting the basalt and otherwise
carbon/soot and thus extremely dark and thick dust covered surface
fairly hot until lunar nighttime when the Radon eventually returns to a
sub-frozen liquid (LRn) form which eventually should glow a bit orange
as it sinks into the depths of such extremely low surface-tension dust.
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
.

User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	21 Sep 2005 03:36:00 PM

George,
The "Temprature/Temperature on Moon Surface" I believe can be moderated
to suit, at least on behalf of robotics that can be robust and thus
engineered so as to not care about their local radioactive background
dosage nor of whatever's incoming that's producing all of that truly
nasty secondary/recoil worth of hard-X-rays. However, with such a
crystal clear layer of Radon plus another layer of Argon should create
quit a well insulated environment that's capable of getting a damn site
hotter than the sort of hell reported by our cloak and dagger
MI6/NSA~NASA Apollo spooks.
In spite of all the brown-nosed minions of their mainstream status quo
that thinks and/or keeps insisting at we village idiots should only
think that we've already done that and been there, thus why all of
their need-to-know and/or taboo/nondisclosure that sucks and blows at
the same time, which only seems rather out of proper form, especially
when it appears that building/terraforming an artificial lunar
atmosphere for robotics has been doable without our ever risking so
much as one TBI white hair upon another astronaut:
Not that I'm insisting this as the one and only alternative, however
for further sportmanship reasons I'm thinking that the likes of Radon
gas should become liquid at night and, otherwise expand out to perhaps
an atmospheric depth of a km by day. Topped off by mostly argon that
might reach as far as 50 km by day and something less than 10 km by
nighttime/earthshine.
According to Mike Williams;
"The strength of the surface gravity (1.623 m/s/s) isn't the critical
factor. What's more significant is the escape velocity (Moon 2.38km/s,
Titan 2.65km/s)."
"The heavier gas sticks around but the useful gas escapes. The various
types of molecules settle down to having the same average kinetic
energy,
but that means that the lighter molecules move faster than the heavier
ones. They move just as fast, in fact, as if the heavier molecules were
not present."
"There's a piece of JavaScript on this page
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/kintem.html#c4>
that will calculate the average molecular speed given the molecular
mass
and temperature. N2 molecules (m=3D28) on Titan (T=3D-197C) average 260m/s
which is about a tenth of the escape velocity. CO2 molecules (m=3D28) on
the Moon (daytime T=3D107C) average 464m/s which is about a fifth of the
escape velocity. That might sound OK, but not all molecules travel at
the average velocity, some travel faster and leak away. The Earth isn't
able to hold on to hydrogen molecules, and they average about a fifth
of
Earth's escape velocity."
"Radon atoms would travel at an average of 206m/s on the Moon, which
suggests that you could build an atmosphere of pure Radon."
Density of dry ice: anywhere from 1.2 to 1.6 kg/dm=B3 depends upon
compactness (avg 1.5 g/cm3)
Frozen solid form at -78.5=B0 C
Sublimes at anything much hoter than -78=B0C
In a snowball form of compactness upon the moon it may represent less
than 1 g/cm3.
Radon, Rn atomic number: 86
Atomic mass: [222] gmol-1(no stable nuclide)
Isotope: 222Rn (222.017570)
Specific gravity of the liquid state is 4.4 g/cm3 at -62=B0C, and SG of
the solid state becomes 4 g/cm3, thus 4 tonnes/m3 if frozen solid and
especially frozen solid if that Rn were sequestered by the likes of
frozen CO2 at 1.5 g/mm3.
A cubic meter of each substance, that which Earth needs to get rid of
anyway, represents a composite sphere of 5.5~5.9 tonnes, and that's not
actually all that large of diameter of what can be easily directed at
impacting (not orbiting) the moon. From the zero-G vantage point of
such being accelerated from the nullification zone of roughly 60,000 km
away from the moon gives an hour, in that there's an unobstructed path
of least resistance that'll also benefit from the 1.623 m/s/s worth of
gravity, whereas this should not require all that much added thrust
energy for getting the final velocity up to good speed of final impact
becoming worth at least 30 km/s (9 fold better KE bang/kg than DEEP
IMPACT), although what's stopping us from achieving 60+km/s?.
Our moon is already fairly radioactive by several fold greater than
Earth, thus another clue that our moon is actually that of an icy
proto-moon as having arrived instead of being ejected out of Earth,
that plus the much having lesser density makes a whole lot more sense
than any spendy computer model that's keeping the likes of a Pope and
other terrestrial or but religions as happy campers.
Of course, my lunar terraforming notions of artificially bombing the
holy crap out of our moon with the likes of large blocks or spheres of
dry-ice having frozen Rn within, besides creating whatever horrific
meteor like impacts worth of vaporising lunar basalt into capably
releasing a ratio of 1e6:1 worth of O2, the very nature of the
delivered CO2 might subsequently revert to just good old elements of
co/o2 or perhaps react into just C and O2, whereas the Radon element
should have vanished within a few days unless we'd replaced and/or
supplemented that lunar bombing of frozen Rn with the likes of
including Ra226 which might even react quite nicely with the already
available He3 into making a nifty long-term supply of creating Rn.
After the Ra226 is sufficiently depleted, say in 6400 years it should
be at 1/16th of it's initial potency, and by then having established a
good amount of terraformed atmosphere as becoming the case since the
amount of continual Radon-222 would have extensively moderated the
hot/cold of the lunar day/night differential to something quite
manageable for the likes of holding onto O2, whereas by then there
shouldn't be hardly any significant local radioactive threat for naked
humans that could be safely accommodated for 60 earthshine days upon
the surface of our moon, that which a reasonably engineered moonsuit
couldn't manage, or at least sufficient as for accommodating the likes
of whomever we don't want living here on Earth (I have a growing list
of whom those folks should be, roughly the bulk of the upper 0.1% of
humanity that have been pillaging and raping mother Earth while
continually snookering the lower 99.9% of humanity, and I do believe
there should be plenty of available space on and/or within the moon for
accommodating each and every one of those 15e6 folks in spite of all
the deployed Ra226 that upon average shouldn't have modified the
already background radioactive terrain by more than 10%).
According to the above "Molecular Speed Calculation" of Argon-40, even
if the elevated average altitude represented at worst 100=B0C (373K)
would give Argon the maximum RMS velocity of 482.4 m/s which obviously
should stick around. Even that of O2-32 only jumps to an RMS velocity
of 539 m/s which should also stay put at least up until a truly nasty
solar wind of 1200~2400 km/s excavates such lighter mass elements away.
So, you tell me why artificially bombing our moon, and especially with
the sorts of nasty stuff that Earth is getting more and more desperate
to get rid of isn't such a good idea.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
.

User: "Sam Wormley"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	19 Aug 2005 09:04:22 AM

George wrote:

Since Moon does not have atmosphere so an astronaut standing on its
surface would experience very hot under his feet but his nose would be
freezing is that how it goes, even if the surface is experiencing direct
sunlight which heats up the surface, but it must be loosing pretty fast.

Mean surface temperature (day) 107�C
Mean surface temperature (night) -153�C
Maximum surface temperature 123�C
Minimum surface temperature -233�C
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User: ""
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	19 Aug 2005 09:12:49 AM

Why not just direct him to our new God, Google???????
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User: "George"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	19 Aug 2005 09:32:06 AM

wrote:

Why not just direct him to our new God, Google???????

and why not you stop replying
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User: "The Ghost In The Machine"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	20 Aug 2005 01:00:13 AM

In sci.physics,

>
wrote
on 19 Aug 2005 07:12:49 -0700
<1124460769.384451.89800@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

Why not just direct him to our new God, Google???????

You mean like
moon.google.com
and zoom all the way in? :-)
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User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	20 Aug 2005 10:20:57 AM

The moon does have argon at 0.5 psi.
Thats an aptmosphere but we cant see it.
Nasa didnt go there. They landed on a basalt calcium coral they dug out
of the sea near guam .. The moon is titanium iron oxide .
The moon is not white. The moon is bright blue.
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User: "The Ghost In The Machine"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	20 Aug 2005 10:00:05 PM

In sci.physics, tj Frazir
<GravityPhysics@webtv.net>
wrote
on Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:20:57 -0400
<28045-43074A59-111@storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net>:

The moon does have argon at 0.5 psi.

Considering that the atmosphere is about 3 * 10^-10 Pascal
or 4.35 * 10^-14 psi, I for one find that rather unlikely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon

Thats an aptmosphere but we cant see it.

Easy enough to get a rough measure by using occultation.
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User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	21 Aug 2005 09:04:46 AM

1/2 a psi is on the moon.
It dont matter if its .001 psi ,,thats a gas with mass and
compressible.
HOW the ***** did nasa land in calcium coral
from guam ? The moon is dark blue titanium iron oxide. Nothing near
the white calcium coral crap they thought it was.

There is a good reason Nasa stays clear of the moon ,,they dont want to
prove they faked it.
They landed in a gas !!! They landed on a blue moon. they brought back
titanium .
they would have if they had gone to the moon.
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User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	21 Aug 2005 09:39:24 AM

"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5592-430889FE-719@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...

gibberish

You are a retard.
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User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	21 Aug 2005 07:36:01 PM

tj Frazir,
I'm not exactly certain about the "dark blue titanium iron oxide", as
the Kodak moments having been obtained from orbit show a somewhat dark
(nearly coal like) golden/reddish brown substance, and that's offered
along with having a perfectly good number of artificial color
references within the same frame.
~
Life on Venus, a Township, Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
"In war there are no rules" - Brad Guth
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User: "Sam Wormley"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	21 Aug 2005 08:12:06 PM

Brad Guth wrote:

tj Frazir,
I'm not exactly certain about the "dark blue titanium iron oxide", as
the Kodak moments having been obtained from orbit show a somewhat dark
(nearly coal like) golden/reddish brown substance, and that's offered
along with having a perfectly good number of artificial color
references within the same frame.
~

Life on Venus, a Township, Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
"In war there are no rules" - Brad Guth

Hey Guth--Thanks for registering at crank dot net.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22guth++%22+site%3Awww.crank.net
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User: "TokaMundo"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	20 Aug 2005 04:38:20 PM

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:20:57 -0400,

(tj
Frazir) Gave us:

You're a fucking retard, as usual, Dopety Physics.
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User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	22 Aug 2005 04:57:52 PM

tj Frazir,
I'm not exactly convinced the moon is quite as humany perceived as for
being all that bright bluish as you've suggested.
There are actually better examples (some of which so happen to include
the orb of Earth) but, please take notice of the available color images
as those obtained from orbit (roughly 100+km above the moon) as
depicting a somewhat golden dark amount of a brownish or reddish iron
and titanium tint as to the otherwise expected 11~12% average (dark
basalt to nearly coal like) albedo hew of what the natural lunar
surface color has to offer, as having been viewed under the same raw
solar influx as illuminating mother Earth. Notice that it's reflecting
as quite a dark substance that otherwise matches the mostly B&W images
of corrected color density as having been provided by team KECK or
Hubble, and by those of most any other satellite obtained images of
corrected color that followed the Apollo sting/ruse of the century.
BTW; none of these following archives proves diddly squat that our TBI
proof crews ever so much as orbited the moon in person.
Look-see especially of those frames including the Apollo CM and of it's
reentry module as for such offering a perfectly good color and
intensity balance or spectrum reference that's pretty damn hard to
ignore.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS17-145-22254
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?122
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?14
Of what else our spooks could have managed were the "Chapel Bell" sorts
of S-Band-->Microwave transponder deployment(s) as placed into the
EM-L2/ME-L1 sweet spot of the mutual though somewhat interactive
gravity-well/nullification zone, thereby establishing the necessary
signal point-source of origination and thereby more than contributing
ample delay considering that some if not most of the data originated
from Earth or at least near Earth to start with.
~
Life on Venus, a Township, Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
"In war there are no rules" - Brad Guth
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User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	22 Aug 2005 08:33:17 PM

nice link .
22 % titanium 8 % iron 2 % basalt.

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User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	21 Sep 2005 01:52:25 AM

tj Frazir,
Now please inform us village idiots all about the layer of radon gas
that's nicely surrounding our radioactive and otherwise highly reactive
moon, as in how thick by day and how otherwise thick by nithttime.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
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User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	23 Sep 2005 12:12:20 PM

tj Frazir,
Energy Levels of Singly Ionized Radon ( Rn II )
http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/Handbook/Tables/radontable6.htm
No energy levels data are available for singly ionized Radon ( Rn II )
However, ionized radon plasma could otherwise become our the next best
form of powerful ion thrusters.
Although the radon thrust itself could be invisible, it's greater
density as a gas, liquid or frozen substance seems rather interesting
since radon is something that's not exactly all that hard to come by
yet as far as I can tell Earth could do without the likes of radon.
One method of artificially creating radon is with radium which isn't
exactly all that available upon Earth but, perhaps upon our moon could
represent megatonnes of radium (Ra-226). Thus the Rn-222/ion plasma
thrusters of the moon based operations could represent the very best
alternative since solar/PV cell energy should be more than adequate for
ionizing radon into a substantial plasma flow.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
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User: "Brad Guth"
Title: Re: Temprature on Moon Surface	25 Sep 2005 03:39:08 PM

tj Frazir,
How Hot The Moon may be somewhat related as to why it should also have
more than it's fair share of RADIUM(Ra-226) to spare.
It seems that our being topic/author bashed and/or banished by all the
pro-NASA/Apollo and thus anti-ET and therefore anti-God freaks has it's
silver lining, in that I don't have to deal so much with all of their
mainstream spermology flak simply because I'm sufficiently right and
they simply can't stand the thought.
This time it's become the notion of Radium-->Radon as utilized for ion
plasma thrusters that has raised the Guth bar of what's
taboo/nondisclosure another notch or two.
Take to mentioning the likes of our icy proto-moon along with whatever
terminology of RADIUM or even RADON is almost as mainstream flak worthy
of slamming doors as per discussing the topic of those horrific SODIUM
atmospheric storms that became a good portion of the 900,000 km comet
like trail having been CCD and narow spectrum optical filter enhanced
images of such being solar wind extracted away from the moon. Of
course, discussing anything that's photon or even physically related to
whatever's of secondary/recoil or vaporising of anything upon our moon
is entirely taboo/nondisclosure, just like the need-to-know natural
colors and otherwise deep albedo of our moon isn't to be taken into
topic consideration.
Silly me, and here I'd thought this next topic/story was actually going
to become another highly interesting notion of yet another perfectly
worthy concept that's anything but all that original. Though obviously
"Uncle Al's" superior stardrive beats my radium/radondrive via radon
plasma-ion thrusters all to hell, and then some.
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.philosophy.humanism/browse_frm/thread/a47=
40ef840094820/1191e16695fda8e8?hl=3Den#1191e16695fda8e8
"Voyage to the stars" by Leonard David,
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.philosophy.humanism/browse_frm/thread/2aa=
1dc4f5d3ab04b/b873b6cb7472d3ea?lnk=3Dst&q=3Dion+thruster&rnum=3D8&hl=3Den#b=
873b6cb7472d3ea
Since we don't seem to have the latest do-everything stardrive from the
likes of wizard "Uncle Al" at our disposal but, we do seem to have ion
thrusters that need a viable resource of plasma gas, as such this is
certainly not by my way of village idiot thinking such an entirely bad
notion "To send a spacecraft where none has gone before is a dream
assignment for any space scientist and engineer", or at least to send
off a probe with a sufficient cash of our best digital smut as stowed
onboard in order to make those damn ETs take a closer look-see at what
in the Sam Hell went so terribly wrong back upon Earth, that's
otherwise been orbited and subsequently terraformed with salty ice and
the DNA/RNA within by such an icy proto-moon.
However, in order to accomplish this extended/everlasting task of
getting whatever craft or probe to the next available star system, I
believe of what's to be needed most of all is a great deal of speed and
thus a great deal of continuously applied thrust, along with obviously
the necessary element of fuel and capable plasma generating energy
that's required, at least until that probe is passing the nullification
point of no return, such as the mutual gravity-well that's situated
between our solar system and that of the Sirius star system at roughly
3=2E5 fold our solar system mass might prove most gravity attractive.
That's why I'd suggested, perhaps there's yet another perfectly good
reason as to first "go back to the moon", or at least get there for the
first time, as for obtaining a large amount of Radium(Ra-226) so that
subsequently a large ion worthy amount of Radon(Rn-222) gas becomes the
medium by which the plasma thrust delivers the maximum kinetic energy
and velocity/kj.
Ionized radon plasma could and perhaps should become our the next best
form of powerful ion thrusters.
Although the radon thrust itself should be WMD invisible, it's greater
density as a gas, liquid or possibly frozen substance seems rather
interesting since radon is something that's not exactly all that hard
to come by, yet as far as I can tell, it seems that Earth and we humans
upon it could do quite nicely without the likes of radon.
One method of artificially creating an on-demand supply of radon while
on the fly is with having a sufficient cash of radium which supposedly
isn't exactly all that available upon Earth but, perhaps upon our moon
could represent megatonnes of Radium(Ra-226). Thereby the Radon(Rn-222)
ions as plasma thrusters of what a moon base of mostly robotic
operations could represent might become our very best alternative,
especially since by then solar/PV cell energy conversion/m2 at better
than 75% should become more than adequate for the available starshine
to be ionizing the likes of Radon into a substantial plasma flow. As
for getting whatever back up into lunar orbit shouldn't be all that
testy, and of course so much easier yet with the LSE-CM/ISS
accomplishing the simple and energy efficient elevator to/from task of
getting whatever tonnage of products and/or folks from the lunar
surface into the ME-L1/EM-L2 gravity free trade zone.
Of course a Plutonium energy cell for deriving the necessary kj/t of
probe might be supplemented along with having a 10,000 m2 PV collector
or possibly a tether dipole method of extracting energy from space, or
these days a sophisticated deep-space probe as performing as a one-way
massage packet transponder could become as little as 100 kg, whereas
the only message need be: SOS Earth(3rd rock from the sun) SOS
Earth(3rd rock from the sun) SOS, and so forth. If ETs can't manage to
extrapolate our position from following a portion of our radon ion
trail, then they're probably not worth their salt and shouldn't bother
coming to our rescue.
I'm thinking 222/131 =3D 1.71 fold thrust improvement (if not the square
of that amount being 2.89) over using Xenon and, a greater than 800
fold improvement in thrust duration due to utilizing a sufficient cash
of Ra-226 on behalf of producing the Rn-222 on the fly, thus a good
1360:1 overall mission improvement (that's not even taking the added
thrust velocity into account), which seems perfectly nifty for a
interstellar probe that could be making 10% light speed once getting
itself gravity pulled towards the next available star system. Meaning
that we could use the likes of Sirius as a terrific velocity booster
for sending that speedy probe far beyond.
Radium (Ra-226) offers a half life of 1600 years (I believe that's got
to represent lots of radon gas generation potential)
http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/ra.html
http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/xe.html
http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/rn.html
Our Colorful Moon :
http://www.rc-astro.com/img/moon_colors_2005-04-18.jpg
All images and site content are Copyright =A92002-2005 by Russell
Croman.
=A9 2005 Russell Croman, www.rc-astro.com
http://www.rc-astro.com/contact.htm
The colors in the Moon image are real, in a sense, Croman explained.
"To bring out the differences between the various regions, the color
saturation has been greatly enhanced," he explained. "The hues are
correct."
"Differences in color on the lunar surface indicate different ages and
types of materials. Croman offers prints of this and other space
images."
Giving this image of his a 50% boost in contrast is certainly worth
doing, as that'll get the albedo a bit closer to reality. There are
actually many official color images of the moon as having been obtained
from orbit that are considerably darker and yet indicating as to a good
amount of deeply rich colors while fully solar illuminated. Thus
there's no viable excuse for the nearly white-out zones of colorless
lunar terrain that went on and on for as far as their UNFILTERED Kodak
moments could record.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO