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"Don1" |
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12 Dec 2005 08:18:19 AM |
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Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's, or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight (w), of
the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will free fall
there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and is the
ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a), at which
they move, relative to each other.
Don
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| User: "hobart Zklfed" |
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| Title: Re: Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
12 Dec 2005 09:07:04 AM |
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"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1134397099.512545.82690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's, or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight (w), of
the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will free fall
there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and is the
ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a), at which
they move, relative to each other.
Don
How do you measure "matter in a body as measured in orbit" ? is that around
the earth or sun?
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| User: "Don1" |
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| Title: Re: Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
12 Dec 2005 09:38:50 AM |
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hobart Zklfed wrote:
"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1134397099.512545.82690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's, or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight (w), of
the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will free fall
there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and is the
ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a), at which
they move, relative to each other.
Don
How do you measure "matter in a body as measured in orbit" ? is that around
the earth or sun?
Either; they are relative you know.
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| User: "the land surfer" |
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| Title: Re: Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
28 Dec 2005 08:55:20 AM |
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"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in
news:1134401930.671496.98330@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
hobart Zklfed wrote:
"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1134397099.512545.82690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's,
or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight
(w),
of the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will
free
fall there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and
is
the ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a),
at
which they move, relative to each other.
Don
How do you measure "matter in a body as measured in orbit" ? is
that
around the earth or sun?
Either; they are relative you know.
Subject: witchdoctors diary catch up
Newsgroups: bigpond news:alt.tv.charmed,alt.fan.harry-
potter,alt.traditional.witchcraft,alt.witchcraft,alt.sci,01alt.folklo
re.urban
Followup-To: alt.tv.charmed
witchdoctors diary catch up
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engage music
apply drugs
be with ya in a tick
+++
massive attack
'safe from harm'
+++
in that nice zone after orgasm
th testicle pain
goin down
+++
sorry
it's overshare
i know
+++
was a nice one but
+++
"shutup jenny"
+++
i only get to talk till th drugs run out Black
you shut th ***** up
+++
"you still dont wanna talk while we're straight ?"
and let ppl talk to my testicles
and vice versa
i dont think so
+++
i saw melissa
while i was singin in th fortitude valley street
did i mention that online ?
"cant remember"
"cant be fucked to look it up"
never mind
last time i bopped thru th
fortitude valley
i didnt sing a note
just unicycle slides
+++
havent sung there since
may never again
+++
afroman
'she wont let me *****'
+++
she was seventeen when we were together paulie
give er a break
we werent entirley honest with er then
"or now"
cmon man
bein honest with a chick is a waste of time
"weird condition"
yeah but i wrote it all down
+++
deborah coleman
'dont lie to me'
+++
havin a break at dom's party
on th verandah
havin a fag
doin th
reality of rock n roll
is ya end th night with a glorious wank after a final joint and a
good laugh
did ya clock her face paulie ?
"yeah was funny"
didnt paul hester say it first ?
"that his name ?"
wot popped out of memory
"not real reliable then"
i dunno
it sees forward far enough for my tastes
"memory isnt based on time"
+++
had chicks hangin off me
in th street
tellin me
i ***** six women
ya cant beat that
+++
was fuckin any of em
+++
i fell off th horse recently
paid a visit to versace lady
her orgasms
and mine with her
still amazing but
somethin missin
+++
inxs
'i need you tonight'(extended)
+++
not really
i can lick my boy clitty
still get off
+++
"wot set you off ?"
hang on
..
..
..
i'm determined to stay unfuckable
"wont last, never does"
+++
"just makes em wanna see yur party trick"
same rules as before
two chicks in my bed fuckin me
then i show you
+++
last one who
promised somethin to see it
didnt pay
i been a street entertainer
five years
i know how it works
+++
just my care factor is so low
not in th street
ridin a unicycle
after midnight
for th reasons you think i am
+++
headin to a street corner
to sing with a mate
+++
not enough singers in th street
to whet my appetite paulie
rather travel to wombles house
and follow his guitar
he dont hate it anymore
fuckin keyboard player
i'm a kadaitcha man
i sing background
singer of my tribe
doesnt matter if no ***** listens
when i point th bone
and sing
th fuckers still die
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walked in
wombles door
late
for th bbq
everyone else has left
he's got
black fella's
on th tv
watchin
les higgins
i thanked him for his courtesy
made me
BLACK
the lethal kadaitcha man of kuta
feel right at home
a lovely host
+++
powderfinger
'rockin rocks'
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i have many happy memories
i wrote them down
i told some tales
at a couple of different parties
"you oughta write a book"
i have
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laid in th doorway of a nightclub
will i ever tire ?
of saying it
+++
i see a better year
for me
in 2006
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i had a stab at
fixin
many problems
before this xmas
just gone
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budgie
'black velvet stallion'
+++
went offline for a month and
just lived
no diary at home even
well two pages
not bad for a month
sometimes i write eight in a day
i only want
one snippet
a chunk fromt h future to fall out
that i can see
***** you cunts
+++
just five percent of th future
pls
i'm gettin too much
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january 23 or 24
not know why
cant tell ya
and i'll be back offline
you never listen to me
anyway
too scattered
you tryin doin what i do
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cant help ya
once little brother gets back from his beach holiday
two weeks
i'll have a pension check in my hot little hands
and th ***** did abuse me
i have good time with my counsellour session
after new year
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i go into my
after xmas purge this year
much stronger
in body mind and spirit
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ppl keep judgin by five minutes
inspection
i;ve spent
43 years on th job
i still have trouble
understanding me
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oh yeah
i hit th redcliffe skatebowl
xmas eve
afternoon
rode straight in and
straight over th combing
down th wall and
saw many jaws drop
BLACK written down my side
one percenter dirty jeans
no helmet
no safety gear
jumped over th far wall
first time
easy as
first attempt at it
beauitful slide down th wall
nicely caught
got ont op of th fun box
and turned around
and back down
no fall
and not fuckin small
my attitude firmly in place
dont wanna talk to you cunts
you ride girls bikes
or is it me ?
th girls convinced
it takes more pills
to ride th back of a motorcycle
tend to agree
but i am a bit female
+++
you can beat
any fucking problem
+++
if yur talented
ya strike jealousy everywhere
if yur also an empath
it's gunna fuckin hurt ya
wot doesnt kill ya
who gives a ***** about
+++
the offspring
'walla walla'
+++
hey man
did ya
like the
maybe some day
ya meet aman like me
and i drop in my
i got a big ***** line
why shouldnt i be fuckin proud of it
***** our world's gettin strange
it's like a skinny girl
cant be proud she's not a
fat *****
anymore
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fuckin strange world we live in
+++
barbie girl is not anorexic
+++
"alright jennifer stop defending yur sister"
it was er mother
+++
stealers wheel
'stuck in the middle with you'
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i havent forgotten ya nana
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wal proposed to lil sis on xmas day
happy as a pig in *****
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look wal
i said
clayton's got a ***** in im
proves he belongs in th family
look around ya
i dont see anyone
who aint got a ***** in em
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this chick in th street
screamin at one of my black mates singin he's a girl
screamin he aint got a *****
in th street
i bet he does sister
i bet he does
have a ***** in im
i listen to 'is lyrics
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me and barbie girl's old lady
have mellowed
she tellin me
who she's put in hospital
nah babe
i just kill em
makes me wet
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pj harvey
'long snake moan'
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violent femmes
'give me the car'
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th violent femmes were fightin
at waynies party
on december 23
jen's bought herself a
miniture harley
for xmas
told her man
she'd look good on a real hog
specially with her girlfriend on th back
he chucked a wobblie
rather see er on soemthin
japanese i think
not altogether sure
nah man
i see harley
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other lady friend of hers
her dad owns a harley bike shop
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miss you
miss you badly
"jenny"
i stopped her drivin that day
she wasnt capable
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barbie girl is callin me kutaman now too
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i really celebrated this xmas
ruined a coupel for a few ppl
which i felt good about
bout time
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how ya goin car
still waitin on yer reply
goin to little brother this time
wont work
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tenacious d
'tribute'
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have some balls and fuckin read yur xmas messages carsten
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womble
not as stressed
or as paranoid
cousrse i told im a couple tales
of where and how
i smoked drugs
with other buskers
surfers paradise
he at th river bank
little robbie
in th street
but womble
you have got ads man
named adam
you played kings cross alone
nice tale sharing
we had
fuckhead
just liek me
tryin like *****
to get out
of every relationship i get in
even before gettin in
that chick aint asleep
ah well
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you one of five or so ppl
gave me a jumper
in th winter
when i wasnt wearin a shirt
marks you as special ppl
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and first busker that stopped me
come
sing
entertain
all th crowd was pushin me to entertain
you taught me
first
mik wouldnt come oput
wanted to be paid
it's a religion man
and *****
five years singin inth street
my singin voice hasnt suffered
not by a long way
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U2
'when love comes to town'
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little brother bought his son a karakoe machine for xmas
so he'd have a telly
over on th island
me and his son
son first
both asked
can paulei use it
when he not
so he can sing
NO
hmm
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***** he hates me
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dont blame im though
i would too
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jenny's family buyin a karaoke machine
so i can sing
dont worry about it
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jenny's car
she was drivin
broke down in barbie girls driveway
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98% about
it breaks down in my driveway
hmm
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paulei doesnt control jenny
nothing controls jenny
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"although pot makes ya mellow"
"and stops ya fuckin with th weather"
little brother finally copped to
fcukin with th weather
every time kenny
lands a job for em
it pisses down
when they go to do it
"does he listen to himself?"
do i ?
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way i figure it brother
if i'm a kadaitcha man
and lethal
and you know i am
you are one too
even if ya are a white boy
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massive attack
'enertia creeps'
+++
told this one
to a few hereabouts
in three or four generations
we all be
aboriginals
it's where we live
all be dark skinned
evolution
fuckheads
i dont want
john howard to say sorry
all i want him to say is
th oath of allegiance to australia
i am an aboriginal australian
anyone who cant
can ***** as long as i'm concerned
anyone who can
is a real australian
dont tel me yur
asian australian
or anglo australian or
lebansese australian
all i care about is
are you australian
and that's what you better fuckin answer
if th kadaitcha man if kuta
asks where you come from
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rememeber i'm lethal
+++
like i can forget
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incidently
thank you queen elizabeth
i like what th british have done with australia
we lead th world in enough fields
magic is just one more
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i dont want th british monarchy removed
a monarch can do
what no
elected official
can do
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we disagree on one thing jane
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i will ask
when i get th chance
for your country's freedom
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kevin bloody wilson
'sunday morning'
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i promised my little brother
if a meteor
was gunna land in th pacific
a dinosaur killer
i'd give him six months notice
th guy we were talkin to
was a bit spun
cause i was sayin
no-one ever listens to me but
i did warn of th london bombings
seven days before they hit
and i did say
i sick of
predictin mass death
and gave a return date
six months in th future
one day before
aceh tsunami
dont mind me
just think i'm mad
or quaint or
even take me seriously
just dont tell anybody ok
just be a fuckin troll
its only been four years
predicting th future
***** human beings are dumb
+++
bainsey is one of us
got a change in his mouth
genetic
now we just have to find him another freak
to breed with
"dont meddle"
i'm th witchsmeller pursuisant
th bitches cant hide from me
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senior
would never lay
with anything that wasnt a witch
you know that lara
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look at is kids
all lost in it
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and you're carryin one of em
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easy star all stars
'track 4'
+++
isaac
clocked a
green
house or somethin
then a pretty girl with black hair
next suburb
he clocked a
gree
house or somethin
and another pretty girl with black hair
popped up
funny coincidence
didnt wanna see anything in it
if i'd gone out with hayley
pretty goth girl
and been as much in love with her
as you were
you just having returned
from around oz trek
by motorcycle and car and
fuckin everythin else
yeah man
i dont see much in it either
you'll see it
love ya
and her
want both of you
together
"and me"
you stay out of this
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city high
'what would you do'
+++
i think we're an incestuous family
th girls keep grabbin each others tits
it's rubbed off
all th boys are doin it too
everyone still
tryin to figure out jenny/paulie
jenny's sixteen
BLACK is about 25
th numbers dont add up
"melissa"
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hey mlm mlm girl
rock spider said he knew you
+++
wot's my bother ?
it aint th motorcycle club
we both faced em
they let us in
gave us both respect
and i'm sorry i talked about it
BLACK's gotta ***** of a sense of humour
bailed and left me
facin knives and guns and
her old bike club
+++
george
'run'
+++
no way
went upstairs after th old man topped th old lady
to top im
i face this
they were nice to us
+++
when did i go girlie ?
with melissa
+++
brown belt with a black tip
violent
+++
doesnt look violent
far from it
looks delicate
+++
whoooo
just let down
..
..
..
will you tell your professor father i wrote th book
that he bugged th ***** out of me about
+++
had yur arm around a girl
afte rme
yur arm around a
really effeminite guy
ina leather jacket
didnt like my
lesbian
femal bouncer at a country club
me and bobbie used to commentate
when she beat ***** out of th guys
girlfriend
i married er
melissa stopped calling
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ammonia
'drugs'
+++
last cone
was a brief
visit
back online
i'll not subject you
to my testicles talking
online
without a decent buffer
there's lots more happened in th last month and yeah
if i explored last month
which i haven written much about
i;d show you
much of
next month
which hasnt happened yet
for every action
there is an equal and opposite reaction
including
in th psychic world
dont care what you think
care that it works
i proved it for me
i can wait a hundred years
i'll still b here
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wendy mathews
'the day you went away'
+++
too psychic
to trained psychic
to take unawares
pay a heavy porice but
my death
i'll see
in graphic detail
before it happens
and have to live with it
at least six months
what i get for training it
worth it but
impresses th ***** out of my girlfriends
i pull in th drive
why sad beautiful lady ?
wanna wash yur car
looking good matters
cant find th carsponge
i'll just grab th one i bought
on th way here
instead of buyin ya chocolate
if i cook some nice asian food
will you eat it ?
it's good enough to love and live with
it doesnt need
anybody elses
belief
and that's
how you become magic
diarize
be anal about it
and
no secrets
+++
anything is possible
"and th truth shall set you free"
+++
infinitely large universe
i buld with a infintely small particle
world constructed in opposites
reality made from
nothing
reality made out of *****
cant talk about it
straight
doesnt make sense then
go figure
einstein was kinda right
+++
most money spent on
*****
wizard called harry potter
i'm a real potter
make pottery ocarinas
with real magic
penyless
cause it's
real
+++
I AM THE REAL THING
AN OPERANT PSYCHIC HUMAN
AND I AM DANGEROUS
+++
beware
ultrasensitive at large
+++
i jacked down th sensitivity
still lethal but
i dont strike
pre emptively anymore
+++
rickie lee jones
'on saturday afternoons in 1963'
+++
hi mum
+++
genie
uncle genie
tellin stories
about how psychic yur mum was
yeah ok
but mum
was yur blood money curse
dropped th twin trade towers seven days later
and all in server logs
public
i'd rather they didnt fight mum
i want th infinite resources
endless leand
above my head
if they dont kill me
i'll get em
+++
kelis
'milk shake'
+++
course
ya meet me in th flesh
you see
BLACK
nasty
a *****
massive veins
muscles and
no fear
but you talk
to jennifer
most ppl
includin kuta lady
who gave me this song
dont remember th conversation
doesnt add up
in th mind
girls in th street
scream at me to put a top on
i had a jesus beard till yesterday
they thinkin i'm a girl
dancin on my unicycle
so funny
it's all about balance
+++
becoming a zen master is easy
living with it can be fucked
+++
i unicycle in th surf
soon
and just catch some fuckin waves
without a fuckin camera chasin me
"yeah right"
+++
do re mi
'man overboard'(remix)
+++
i speak with you again online diary
when kuta provides
with love and *****
..
..
..
kutaman
lethal kadaitcha man of kuta
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
12 Dec 2005 01:17:15 PM |
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Don1 wrote:
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's, or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight (w), of
the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will free fall
there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and is the
ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a), at which
they move, relative to each other.
Don
And these two quantities will be *exactly* the same.
PD
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| User: "Don1" |
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| Title: Re: Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
12 Dec 2005 01:32:52 PM |
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PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's, or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight (w), of
the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will free fall
there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and is the
ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a), at which
they move, relative to each other.
Don
And these two quantities will be *exactly* the same.
PD
Close enough for most practical purposes. How can we know if they are
"exactly" the same?
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
12 Dec 2005 01:51:06 PM |
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Don1 wrote:
PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's, or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight (w), of
the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will free fall
there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and is the
ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a), at which
they move, relative to each other.
Don
And these two quantities will be *exactly* the same.
PD
Close enough for most practical purposes. How can we know if they are
"exactly" the same?
With very high precision experiments. You might like to peruse the
following for starters, since it is an experiment of your generation.
http://www.kfki.hu/~tudtor/eotvos1/onehund.html
PD
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| User: "Don1" |
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| Title: Re: Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
12 Dec 2005 07:21:58 PM |
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PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's, or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight (w), of
the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will free fall
there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and is the
ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a), at which
they move, relative to each other.
Don
And these two quantities will be *exactly* the same.
PD
Close enough for most practical purposes. How can we know if they are
"exactly" the same?
With very high precision experiments. You might like to peruse the
following for starters, since it is an experiment of your generation.
http://www.kfki.hu/~tudtor/eotvos1/onehund.html
PD
In my 1975 book: "A Rudimentary Reconstruction of (The Foundations of)
Physics", I included a drawing of an evacuated bell jar, under which
this experiment has actually been conducted. The results show that at
short distances there appears to be an influence between dense bodies
of lead and gold; an influence that effects the water between the
northern and southern hemispheres of the rotating Earth, and is called
the coriolis effect.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
12 Dec 2005 08:08:48 PM |
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Don1 wrote:
PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's, or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight (w), of
the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will free fall
there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and is the
ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a), at which
they move, relative to each other.
Don
And these two quantities will be *exactly* the same.
PD
Close enough for most practical purposes. How can we know if they are
"exactly" the same?
With very high precision experiments. You might like to peruse the
following for starters, since it is an experiment of your generation.
http://www.kfki.hu/~tudtor/eotvos1/onehund.html
PD
In my 1975 book: "A Rudimentary Reconstruction of (The Foundations of)
Physics", I included a drawing of an evacuated bell jar, under which
this experiment has actually been conducted. The results show that at
short distances there appears to be an influence between dense bodies
of lead and gold; an influence that effects the water between the
northern and southern hemispheres of the rotating Earth, and is called
the coriolis effect.
Don, yes! We know! When are you going to stop rehashing BASIC classical
physics and move on to something less trivial?
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| User: "glbrad01" |
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| Title: Re: Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
13 Dec 2005 02:36:23 AM |
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"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134439728.654717.153880@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Don1 wrote:
PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's,
or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight
(w), of
the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will free
fall
there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and
is the
ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a), at
which
they move, relative to each other.
Don
And these two quantities will be *exactly* the same.
PD
Close enough for most practical purposes. How can we know if they are
"exactly" the same?
With very high precision experiments. You might like to peruse the
following for starters, since it is an experiment of your generation.
http://www.kfki.hu/~tudtor/eotvos1/onehund.html
PD
In my 1975 book: "A Rudimentary Reconstruction of (The Foundations of)
Physics", I included a drawing of an evacuated bell jar, under which
this experiment has actually been conducted. The results show that at
short distances there appears to be an influence between dense bodies
of lead and gold; an influence that effects the water between the
northern and southern hemispheres of the rotating Earth, and is called
the coriolis effect.
Don, yes! We know! When are you going to stop rehashing BASIC classical
physics and move on to something less trivial?
Try looking at the problem as one troy ounce of gold (Earth: 1g) versus
one troy ounce gold (planet A:1g (=2 Earth g)) versus one troy ounce gold
(planet B: 1g (=10 Earth g)) versus one troy ounce gold (planet X: 1g (=100
Earth g)). Planet Earth is in galaxy Milky Way, while planet B is in galaxy
Andromeda, and planet X is in a galaxy far, far away. Earth standard one
gravity, and other Earth standard measures, are unknown to alien inhabitants
of these other planets. They do not measure in each of their own
gravitational frames -- in each of their own environments -- by Earth
standards saying to themselves and others upon their individual planets
always, "mass of one gold atom, and weight one troy ounce of gold, 'relative
to the Earth'."
Planet A inhabitants do not say the weight of the mass of gold "is TWO
troy ounces upon our planet since its weight is ONE troy ounce upon Earth
far, far away" (and so on planet B and planet X). To them their planet's
(planet A) gravity is 1g, not 2g. The weight of the block of gold is 1
planet A troy ounce. Then the paradoxical problem begins! On Earth the same
block of gold is weight 1 Earth troy ounce. The blocks of gold for all four
planets are identical in atom count if the atoms of gold in each "one troy
ounce" block could be counted. But "relatively speaking" the mass of "one
troy ounce of gold" increases or decreases when placed within each different
increased, or decreased, gravitational field. Or does the atom count in each
one troy ounce block somehow increase or decrease in atom count depending
upon the increase or decrease in contextual (environmental) gravity? The
answer probably should be that mass, not atom count, increases or decreases
as it would in particle accelerators (in this case for the matter of
"decreases" 'particle decelerators' as well).
GLB
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| User: "Sue..." |
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| Title: Re: Terrestrial mass (w/g) vs celestial mass (f/g) |
13 Dec 2005 06:37:07 AM |
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glbrad01 wrote:
"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134439728.654717.153880@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Don1 wrote:
PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
Terrestrial mass is the matter in a body as measured on Earth's,
or
some similar planet's surface, and is the ratio of the weight
(w), of
the mass, divided by the acceleration (g) at which it will free
fall
there.
Celestial mass is the matter in a body as measured in orbit, and
is the
ratio of the net force (f), divided by the acceleration (a), at
which
they move, relative to each other.
Don
And these two quantities will be *exactly* the same.
PD
Close enough for most practical purposes. How can we know if they are
"exactly" the same?
With very high precision experiments. You might like to peruse the
following for starters, since it is an experiment of your generation.
http://www.kfki.hu/~tudtor/eotvos1/onehund.html
PD
In my 1975 book: "A Rudimentary Reconstruction of (The Foundations of)
Physics", I included a drawing of an evacuated bell jar, under which
this experiment has actually been conducted. The results show that at
short distances there appears to be an influence between dense bodies
of lead and gold; an influence that effects the water between the
northern and southern hemispheres of the rotating Earth, and is called
the coriolis effect.
Don, yes! We know! When are you going to stop rehashing BASIC classical
physics and move on to something less trivial?
Try looking at the problem as one troy ounce of gold (Earth: 1g) versus
one troy ounce gold (planet A:1g (=2 Earth g)) versus one troy ounce gold
(planet B: 1g (=10 Earth g)) versus one troy ounce gold (planet X: 1g (=100
Earth g)). Planet Earth is in galaxy Milky Way, while planet B is in galaxy
Andromeda, and planet X is in a galaxy far, far away. Earth standard one
gravity, and other Earth standard measures, are unknown to alien inhabitants
of these other planets. They do not measure in each of their own
gravitational frames -- in each of their own environments -- by Earth
standards saying to themselves and others upon their individual planets
always, "mass of one gold atom, and weight one troy ounce of gold, 'relative
to the Earth'."
Planet A inhabitants do not say the weight of the mass of gold "is TWO
troy ounces upon our planet since its weight is ONE troy ounce upon Earth
far, far away" (and so on planet B and planet X). To them their planet's
(planet A) gravity is 1g, not 2g. The weight of the block of gold is 1
planet A troy ounce. Then the paradoxical problem begins! On Earth the same
block of gold is weight 1 Earth troy ounce. The blocks of gold for all four
planets are identical in atom count if the atoms of gold in each "one troy
ounce" block could be counted. But "relatively speaking" the mass of "one
troy ounce of gold" increases or decreases when placed within each different
increased, or decreased, gravitational field. Or does the atom count in each
one troy ounce block somehow increase or decrease in atom count depending
upon the increase or decrease in contextual (environmental) gravity? The
answer probably should be that mass, not atom count, increases or decreases
as it would in particle accelerators (in this case for the matter of
"decreases" 'particle decelerators' as well).
GLB
Yes..
The problem arise because counting 1.022 MeV charge pairs
will yield different long range 1/r^2 attractive forces depending
on the theory you subscribe to. Neither GR or QM offer a
gravitaional/inertial mechanism so the biochemisty community
with there induced dipole modeling may be light-years ahead
of the the physics community in unifing GR and QM.
http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/docs/autoren2002/gibbon
http://www.cse.clrc.ac.uk/msi/software/DL_POLY/MANUALS/USRMAN2/node65.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integral
Maybe they don't realise it. Weber didn't realise he was
measuring the speed of light on the surface of a conductor.
;-)
Sue...
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