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Terri Wept |
Terri Wept?
Hello,
Actually she more than "wept"; she screamed. She
screamed so loudly the cops came running into her
room to see what was the matter:
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Subject: TERRI SCHIAVO CRIED WHEN TOLD
SHE WAS GOING TO DIE!
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NURSE: "TERRI SCHIAVO CRIED WHEN TOLD
SHE WAS GOING TO DIE"
A nurse named Cheryl Ford who serves as
spokesperson for Schindlers' -- parents of Terri
Schiavo -- claimed today that when Schindler
attorney Barbara Weller told Terri they were going
to remove her feeding tube, "Terri began to cry and
tried to say 'I want to live..' Attorney Weller said she
had a difficult time calming Terri down."
Can it be true that the Schiavo woman actually tried
to speak? There are those who have testified that she
has uttered a number of words and phrases through
the years and with therapy would be able to speak
sentences. These are initial reports to Spirit Daily.
But we get it from Weller and a confirmation,
through an intermediary, from the Schlindler family;
Ford has called for volunteers to surround the
hospice.
Weller reportedly told the woman, "Terri, if you
would just say, 'I want to live' -- all of this will be
over."
According to pro-life activist Randall Terry, who
recounted the scene to radio host Sean Hannity,
Schiavo tried desperately to repeat Weller's words.
"'I waaaaannt . . .' Schiavo allegedly said, in a
prolonged yell that had police stationed nearby
running into her hospice room.
"She just started yelling, 'I waaaannt, I waaaannt,'"
Terry said, according to Weller's account.
At that point police ejected Weller, he said.
__________________________________________
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And then they finally came to kill me, and nobody
was left to speak for me because I too was silent
when I should of spoken out about the murder of one
that turned into the murder of the many which turned
into the murder of all that don't have Satan as lord.
Revelation 12:17 (NRSV)
17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and
went off to make war on the rest of her children,
those who keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
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25 Mar 2005 09:27:26 PM |
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"Harry" <paminifarm3@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Terri Wept?
Hello,
Actually she more than "wept"; she screamed. She
screamed so loudly the cops came running into her
room to see what was the matter:
Those who want to keep Mrs. Schiavo's body alive (her mind was gone as of 15
years ago), are just so far out-of-touch with reality now, not only in that it isn't
going to
happen, and how mercilessly cruel they are by wanting to do so, that no matter how
*serious* they might think they are being when the post things like the above, I
*REALLY* have just have to consider them as trolls now.
Here's a spiritual matter to consider:
If one believes in a soul, then Terri's soul left her body when her brain died 15 years
ago, all that is being kept "alive" is an empty shell that has nothing left in her. --
Or if her soul is still in her body, even though her mind is gone, then keeping her alive
in such a horrible physically state must be a form of hell for her soul.
Despite what her parents are saying, she can never recover. Her brain is physically
destroy. It can never be returned to what it once was; it is medically impossible. So
what do her parents and all those supporting them really want?
-- Franklin Hummel in Boston, Massachusetts
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| User: "Guy Gordon" |
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25 Mar 2005 09:58:24 PM |
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"Harry" <paminifarm3@netscape.net> wrote:
Tell the truth now -- are you just making this stuff up?
'Cause it's hilarious!
Keep up the good work.
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| User: "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" |
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25 Mar 2005 05:29:08 PM |
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NURSE: "TERRI SCHIAVO CRIED WHEN TOLD
SHE WAS GOING TO DIE"
A nurse named Cheryl Ford who serves as
spokesperson for Schindlers' -- parents of Terri
Schiavo -- claimed today that when Schindler
attorney Barbara Weller told Terri they were going
to remove her feeding tube, "Terri began to cry and
tried to say 'I want to live..' Attorney Weller said she
had a difficult time calming Terri down." <<
COMMENT:
"Indeed, I have finally realized," mumbled Terri, "that Sartre's
conception of 'the other' is more than de Beauvoir Femanine, but also
encompasses the philosophical Otherness of the chronically
brain-damaged. Therefore, though I hunger and thirst in both the
physical and existential sense, I yet must continue to refuse to eat
or drink, in order to establish solidity with those who have no voice
to voice their Otherness. And also, with the merely stupid, such as
congresspersons...."
More later, as it enters our facilitated-communications awareness.
SBH
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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25 Mar 2005 05:33:07 PM |
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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
NURSE: "TERRI SCHIAVO CRIED WHEN TOLD
SHE WAS GOING TO DIE"
A nurse named Cheryl Ford who serves as
spokesperson for Schindlers' -- parents of Terri
Schiavo -- claimed today that when Schindler
attorney Barbara Weller told Terri they were going
to remove her feeding tube, "Terri began to cry and
tried to say 'I want to live..' Attorney Weller said she
had a difficult time calming Terri down." <<
This is *****. If such could be ascertained this entire affair would
be over in a Miami Minute. Doctors have been examining the poor women
(or what is left of her for years). Here cerebral cortex is gone. Fluid
is in its place. She cannot talk because the portion of the brain the
regulates speech is gonzo.
As Dr. McCoy would say: She's a turnip, Jim.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Paul Hovnanian P.E." |
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25 Mar 2005 09:32:05 PM |
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"robert j. kolker" wrote:
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
NURSE: "TERRI SCHIAVO CRIED WHEN TOLD
SHE WAS GOING TO DIE"
A nurse named Cheryl Ford who serves as
spokesperson for Schindlers' -- parents of Terri
Schiavo -- claimed today that when Schindler
attorney Barbara Weller told Terri they were going
to remove her feeding tube, "Terri began to cry and
tried to say 'I want to live..' Attorney Weller said she
had a difficult time calming Terri down." <<
This is *****. If such could be ascertained this entire affair would
be over in a Miami Minute. Doctors have been examining the poor women
(or what is left of her for years). Here cerebral cortex is gone. Fluid
is in its place. She cannot talk because the portion of the brain the
regulates speech is gonzo.
As Dr. McCoy would say: She's a turnip, Jim.
More like, "Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor, not a farmer."
--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com
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Don't hate yourself in the morning -- sleep till noon.
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25 Mar 2005 09:11:14 PM |
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Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
More like, "Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor, not a farmer."
Excellent. I wish I had said that.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Nick" |
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25 Mar 2005 08:52:28 PM |
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Why would Schindler's attorney be telling her they are going to remove
her feeding tube if they are talking to a vegatable?
It doesn't make any sense. Why would they even do that
unless she could understand?
It's all a lie. She knows they are killing her.
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| User: "Philip Holman" |
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26 Mar 2005 12:52:28 PM |
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"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111805548.518492.82280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Why would Schindler's attorney be telling her they are going to remove
her feeding tube if they are talking to a vegatable?
It doesn't make any sense. Why would they even do that
unless she could understand?
Look up Requerimiento and ask how many understood what was being read.
Understanding motives is key to making perfect sense in both cases.
Phil H
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| User: "Quantum Mirror" |
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27 Mar 2005 09:28:45 AM |
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It's all a lie. She knows they are killing her
How do you know? You are the liar, if not show the evidence for your
statement!
Only the feverent belief of your church can keep your god alive. Your
religion and Terry are just alike. Both brain dead and being kept alive
involuntarily.
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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25 Mar 2005 09:12:41 PM |
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Nick wrote:
It's all a lie. She knows they are killing her.
And the brain scan which shows her cerebral cortex is gonzo is just a
fake? Right?
Bob Kolker
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26 Mar 2005 10:32:30 AM |
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On 25 Mar 2005 18:52:28 -0800, "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why would Schindler's attorney be telling her they are going to remove
her feeding tube if they are talking to a vegatable?
?? Don't know much about lawyers, do you?
-- Roy L
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| User: "Tecumsech Sequoia" |
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25 Mar 2005 10:59:02 PM |
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Even if you accept her parent's point of view, why would they deny Terri the
right to be with God and instead subject her to a terrible life in which she
can not communicate, follow people around the room with her eyes, control
bodily functions, eat, read, do anything?
T
"Harry" <paminifarm3@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Terri Wept?
Hello,
Actually she more than "wept"; she screamed. She
screamed so loudly the cops came running into her
room to see what was the matter:
From: (martus)
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Subject: TERRI SCHIAVO CRIED WHEN TOLD
SHE WAS GOING TO DIE!
Date: 19 Mar 2005 18:09:18 -0800
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NURSE: "TERRI SCHIAVO CRIED WHEN TOLD
SHE WAS GOING TO DIE"
A nurse named Cheryl Ford who serves as
spokesperson for Schindlers' -- parents of Terri
Schiavo -- claimed today that when Schindler
attorney Barbara Weller told Terri they were going
to remove her feeding tube, "Terri began to cry and
tried to say 'I want to live..' Attorney Weller said she
had a difficult time calming Terri down."
Can it be true that the Schiavo woman actually tried
to speak? There are those who have testified that she
has uttered a number of words and phrases through
the years and with therapy would be able to speak
sentences. These are initial reports to Spirit Daily.
But we get it from Weller and a confirmation,
through an intermediary, from the Schlindler family;
Ford has called for volunteers to surround the
hospice.
Weller reportedly told the woman, "Terri, if you
would just say, 'I want to live' -- all of this will be
over."
According to pro-life activist Randall Terry, who
recounted the scene to radio host Sean Hannity,
Schiavo tried desperately to repeat Weller's words.
"'I waaaaannt . . .' Schiavo allegedly said, in a
prolonged yell that had police stationed nearby
running into her hospice room.
"She just started yelling, 'I waaaannt, I waaaannt,'"
Terry said, according to Weller's account.
At that point police ejected Weller, he said.
__________________________________________
_____________________________________
And then they finally came to kill me, and nobody
was left to speak for me because I too was silent
when I should of spoken out about the murder of one
that turned into the murder of the many which turned
into the murder of all that don't have Satan as lord.
Revelation 12:17 (NRSV)
17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and
went off to make war on the rest of her children,
those who keep the commandments of God and hold
the testimony of Jesus.
End
times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963
PALESTINE LIVES (pictures):
http://paminifarm9.tripod.com/palestine/palpics.html
Jew bar code begins with 729
Jesus' - uh - hope for Jews- John 8:44
Jesus said- Donot Feed the Trolls: Math.7:6
Divest From Israel Campaign
http://www.divest-from-israel-campaign.org/
"God forbid that I should lose the life eternal,
for this carnal and short life." Mrs. Priest
http://paminifarm.com
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| User: "Nick" |
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26 Mar 2005 01:25:55 AM |
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Universal Law: cannot terminate life.
God isn't with Terri now?
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| User: "Tecumsech Sequoia" |
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26 Mar 2005 04:05:50 AM |
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"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Universal Law: cannot terminate life.
God isn't with Terri now?
Under that argument one must sustain life under any and all circumstances -
including those who are on life support, like Terri, who have expressed a wish
to not be that way, like Terri.
She is not experiencing the joy of being with Christ in heaven.
T
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| User: "Nick" |
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26 Mar 2005 10:45:45 PM |
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You get a taste of heaven on earth and Christ
is in her anyways.
Universal Law:Cannot terminate life
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| User: "Tecumsech Sequoia" |
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26 Mar 2005 11:24:25 PM |
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"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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You get a taste of heaven on earth and Christ
is in her anyways.
Universal Law:Cannot terminate life
1. Why is this a Universal Law?
2. Would you terminate the life of someone who can not live without the help
of machines and who has requested in writing to be removed the equiptment
under those circumstances?
T
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| User: "Nick" |
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26 Mar 2005 11:31:46 PM |
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Its your problem if you don't recognise
this universal law. I am just pointing it out
to you. Do you like it?
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| User: "Tecumsech Sequoia" |
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26 Mar 2005 11:46:48 PM |
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"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111901506.114741.314530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Its your problem if you don't recognise
this universal law. I am just pointing it out
to you. Do you like it?
Because you say something is true does not make it so.
And you have not answered the question which would help determine whether it
is true or not:
2. Would you terminate the life of someone who can not live without the help
of machines and who has requested in writing to be removed the equiptment
under those circumstances?
What is your answer? Why are you unable to answer the question?
T
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| User: "Socialists are Miserable Thieves" |
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13 May 2005 09:58:49 PM |
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On 26 Mar 2005 21:31:46 -0800, "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
Its your problem if you don't recognise
this universal law.
There is no such Universal Law, genius. If you don't believe me, watch
the news and see how many people get killed every day, you retard!
--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
gang rule." -- Ayn Rand
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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27 Mar 2005 07:10:13 AM |
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Tecumsech Sequoia wrote:
2. Would you terminate the life of someone who can not live without the help
of machines and who has requested in writing to be removed the equiptment
under those circumstances?
Terri Schiave was not on a ventillator or a defribillator. She was being
fed directly into her stomach as she cannot swallow. She has not been
able to swallow for nearly 15 years, so severe was the damage to her brain.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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27 Mar 2005 02:49:07 PM |
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"robert j. kolker" wrote:
Tecumsech Sequoia wrote:
2. Would you terminate the life of someone who can not live without the help
of machines and who has requested in writing to be removed the equiptment
under those circumstances?
Terri Schiave was not on a ventillator or a defribillator. She was being
fed directly into her stomach as she cannot swallow. She has not been
able to swallow for nearly 15 years, so severe was the damage to her brain.
Then where does the spit in her mouth go? In the video I've seen, she
doesn't look like a cow with foot and mouth disease.
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"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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27 Mar 2005 03:06:53 PM |
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Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
Then where does the spit in her mouth go? In the video I've seen, she
doesn't look like a cow with foot and mouth disease.
Aspirated frequently. If she could swallow should would not need to be
hydrated through a tube.
Bob Kolker
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27 Mar 2005 03:34:52 PM |
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"robert j. kolker" wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
Then where does the spit in her mouth go? In the video I've seen, she
doesn't look like a cow with foot and mouth disease.
Aspirated frequently. If she could swallow should would not need to be
hydrated through a tube.
I'm not disputing that gavage is the most efficient way to provide food
and hydration to this woman just I wonder if it is the only way. If she
can be kept alive, for example, with regular squirts from a Nalgene
water bottle, is withholding that withholding life support in a manner
all that different from not giving a nipple or a milk bottle to a
new-born?
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"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
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27 Mar 2005 03:48:18 PM |
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Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
I'm not disputing that gavage is the most efficient way to provide food
and hydration to this woman just I wonder if it is the only way. If she
can be kept alive, for example, with regular squirts from a Nalgene
water bottle, is withholding that withholding life support in a manner
all that different from not giving a nipple or a milk bottle to a
new-born?
She cannot swallow.
Bob Kolker
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27 Mar 2005 05:52:57 PM |
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"robert j. kolker" wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
I'm not disputing that gavage is the most efficient way to provide food
and hydration to this woman just I wonder if it is the only way. If she
can be kept alive, for example, with regular squirts from a Nalgene
water bottle, is withholding that withholding life support in a manner
all that different from not giving a nipple or a milk bottle to a
new-born?
She cannot swallow.
Where does her spit go?
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"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
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27 Mar 2005 06:13:29 PM |
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Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
Where does her spit go?
Aspirated. All part of the hospice care.
Bob Kolker
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27 Mar 2005 06:21:34 PM |
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In sci.physics robert j. kolker <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
I'm not disputing that gavage is the most efficient way to provide food
and hydration to this woman just I wonder if it is the only way. If she
can be kept alive, for example, with regular squirts from a Nalgene
water bottle, is withholding that withholding life support in a manner
all that different from not giving a nipple or a milk bottle to a
new-born?
She cannot swallow.
Bob Kolker
Not totally true since the autonomic reflex mechanisims still work.
Swallowing your saliva while you sleep is an autonomic reflex; drinking
even from a bottle would require awareness which she no longer has.
--
Jim Pennino
Remove -spam-sux to reply.
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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27 Mar 2005 07:00:22 PM |
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wrote:
In sci.physics robert j. kolker <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
I'm not disputing that gavage is the most efficient way to provide food
and hydration to this woman just I wonder if it is the only way. If she
can be kept alive, for example, with regular squirts from a Nalgene
water bottle, is withholding that withholding life support in a manner
all that different from not giving a nipple or a milk bottle to a
new-born?
She cannot swallow.
Bob Kolker
Not totally true since the autonomic reflex mechanisims still work.
Swallowing your saliva while you sleep is an autonomic reflex; drinking
even from a bottle would require awareness which she no longer has.
So have we got to the bottom of this? Does she swallow liquids that are
in her mouth? Would she swallow her own spit? Would she swallow water
given from a squirt bottle? I'm getting at the fact that we aren't
talking her about keeping someone alive by extraordinary means, but
rather by a means that should be considered bare minimum.
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"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
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27 Mar 2005 08:13:22 PM |
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In sci.physics "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <stderr@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics robert j. kolker <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
I'm not disputing that gavage is the most efficient way to provide food
and hydration to this woman just I wonder if it is the only way. If she
can be kept alive, for example, with regular squirts from a Nalgene
water bottle, is withholding that withholding life support in a manner
all that different from not giving a nipple or a milk bottle to a
new-born?
She cannot swallow.
Bob Kolker
Not totally true since the autonomic reflex mechanisims still work.
Swallowing your saliva while you sleep is an autonomic reflex; drinking
even from a bottle would require awareness which she no longer has.
So have we got to the bottom of this? Does she swallow liquids that are
in her mouth? Would she swallow her own spit? Would she swallow water
given from a squirt bottle? I'm getting at the fact that we aren't
talking her about keeping someone alive by extraordinary means, but
rather by a means that should be considered bare minimum.
If the swallowing reflex worked well, people wouldn't drool in their
sleep.
So which would be "extraordinary means", a person constantly sitting
beside her squirting small quantities of fluid in her mouth and checking
that the fluids are swallowed properly and don't either choke her or
drown her, or sticking in a tube?
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Jim Pennino
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In sci.physics "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <stderr@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk.com> wrote:
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In sci.physics robert j. kolker <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
I'm not disputing that gavage is the most efficient way to provide food
and hydration to this woman just I wonder if it is the only way. If she
can be kept alive, for example, with regular squirts from a Nalgene
water bottle, is withholding that withholding life support in a manner
all that different from not giving a nipple or a milk bottle to a
new-born?
She cannot swallow.
Bob Kolker
Not totally true since the autonomic reflex mechanisims still work.
Swallowing your saliva while you sleep is an autonomic reflex; drinking
even from a bottle would require awareness which she no longer has.
So have we got to the bottom of this? Does she swallow liquids that are
in her mouth? Would she swallow her own spit? Would she swallow water
given from a squirt bottle? I'm getting at the fact that we aren't
talking her about keeping someone alive by extraordinary means, but
rather by a means that should be considered bare minimum.
If the swallowing reflex worked well, people wouldn't drool in their
sleep.
So you drool in your sleep? That's something I didn't need to know.
So which would be "extraordinary means", a person constantly sitting
beside her squirting small quantities of fluid in her mouth and checking
that the fluids are swallowed properly and don't either choke her or
drown her, or sticking in a tube?
Obviously the gavage is easier, but the point is what minimum
technological effort might be required. That's what I'm getting at.
While I knew that partisan political considerations have taken over
around here, there are serious issues involved in this case.
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"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
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