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11 Dec 2004 05:43:25 PM |
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The American Logical Society |
The pursuit of physics is in the main divided into two camps. There are
those who place the greatest reliance on mathematics - and those who
place it on logic.
The mathematician will pursue where mathematics will take him and then
interpret the results as best he can into physical reality. The problem
is the characteristics that make him a good mathematician, also make
him a poor logician. And by logician, is meant dealing with the
physical world.
On the other hand, the logician is by comparison a poor mathematician.
And so is restricted in his endeavors.
Production is at its best in the sparse area where both mathematics and
logic are working on an equal basis, where the flights of mathematics
and the calling of pure mathematics are restrained by logic.
Unfortunately, of late, this area has not been able to restrain the
mathematicians enough to save the main thrust of the discipline of
theoretical physics. It has become lopsided in favor of mathematics.
Many good physicists have voiced this concern one way or another but
they stood as individuals and their voices were drowned out by
mathematicians while those cowed by the strength of mathematics stood
silent.
When challenged by logicians for their outlandish conclusions,
mathematicians challenge their critics to argue the mathematics of the
thesis - knowing the average physicist, the logician, is at a
disadvantage.
The logician should not argue the mathematics but should rely on the
strength of logic - on the grasp of reality - on the confirmation
of empiricism, and he should refuse to accept the dictates of fantasy
produced by mathematicians who give us a universe of a hundred
dimensions and parallel universes.
The result of the abdication to mathematicians is that modern physics
entertains such things as warped space (empty space that's not
empty), tachyons, time dilation, gluons, gravitons, space-time as an
entity rather than a charting system, time reversal, event horizons,
worm holes - and we are told what transpired in the universe 23
nanoseconds after the big bang. We have sub particle parts of
fractional charge that have characteristics of we know not what so they
are given the names of "color", "top", "bottom", etc.
"x" is acceptable in algebra but not as an end result in physics
research.
It is time for logicians to stand up and be counted - for logicians
to increase their number and take back physics.
Let us hereby form an association known as The American Logical
Society of Physics.
Joining is easy. Just say out loud three times, " I am a Logician, I
am a logician, I am a logician" - and you are then a member.
Our credo is to stand fast against the fantasies produced by faulty
interpretations of erudite mathematics, to let the mathematicians talk
to themselves and to not accept their offerings until their work meets
certain criteria of reality, experiment and empiricism.
Vertner Vergon
p.s.
After becoming member, you may want to register by sending your name
and email address to
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| User: "Bill Hobba" |
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| Title: Re: The American Logical Society |
11 Dec 2004 06:03:26 PM |
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<vergon_enterprises@highstream.net> wrote in message
news:1102808605.761332.6300@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
The pursuit of physics is in the main divided into two camps. There are
those who place the greatest reliance on mathematics - and those who
place it on logic.
Since mathematics is closely related to logic - indeed formal logic is a
branch of mathematics - such a claim is absurd.
Rest of rubbish is same vein mercifully snipped.
Bill
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| User: "" |
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11 Dec 2004 08:08:52 PM |
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The pursuit of physics is in the main divided into two camps. >There
are
those who place the greatest reliance on mathematics - and those who
place it on logic.
Since mathematics is closely related to logic - indeed formal logic is
a
branch of mathematics - such a claim is absurd.
Rest of rubbish is same vein mercifully snipped.
Bill
VEGON:
If you are too short brained to see the difference, that is your
problem.
As to mercy, the only thing merciful would be your demise.
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| User: "Bill Hobba" |
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| Title: Re: The American Logical Society |
11 Dec 2004 11:15:08 PM |
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<vergon_enterprises@highstream.net> wrote in message
news:1102817332.544749.174280@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The pursuit of physics is in the main divided into two camps. >There
are
those who place the greatest reliance on mathematics - and those who
place it on logic.
Since mathematics is closely related to logic - indeed formal logic is
a
branch of mathematics - such a claim is absurd.
Rest of rubbish is same vein mercifully snipped.
Bill
VEGON:
If you are too short brained to see the difference, that is your
problem.
As to mercy, the only thing merciful would be your demise.
If you are too short brained to see the connection that is also your
problem.
Bill
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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12 Dec 2004 02:08:50 PM |
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<vergon_enterprises@highstream.net> wrote in message news:1102808605.761332.6300@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
The pursuit of physics is in the main divided into two camps. There are
those who place the greatest reliance on mathematics - and those who
place it on logic.
Which immediately establishes your complete ignorance
of logic and mathematics, without even mentioning physics.
[snip ignorance induced waste of time]
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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11 Dec 2004 08:39:59 PM |
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wrote:
The pursuit of physics is in the main divided into two camps. There are
those who place the greatest reliance on mathematics - and those who
place it on logic.
You are an idiot. Euler's equation: e^[i(pi)=-1 God is a geometer.
[snip ignorant crap]
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The American Logical Society |
11 Dec 2004 07:23:36 PM |
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xxein: But from which concept do you derive a logic to apply?
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| User: "" |
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11 Dec 2004 08:12:32 PM |
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Dec 11, 5:23 pm show options
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
From:
Date: 11 Dec 2004 17:23:36 -0800
Local: Sat, Dec 11 2004 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: The American Logical Society
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xxein: But from which concept do you derive a logic to apply?
VERGON:
Logic is not derived from concepts.
You'll have to make your question clearer.
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| User: "" |
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16 Dec 2004 09:29:30 PM |
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xxein: Then, on what do you base your logic? A fantasy?
Without a concept, there is no understanding of anything. There would
be nothing to appy a logic to.
BUT, when you arrive at the correct concept (the reality), the logic
is an imbediment.
So, in that sense, logic should not be derived from mere concept ---
but it does depend on correct concept, and because concept is all we
have, how do we know if it is the real logic?
Where does logic come from and show your work.
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| User: "" |
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11 Dec 2004 08:13:34 PM |
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Dec 11, 5:23 pm show options
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
From:
Date: 11 Dec 2004 17:23:36 -0800
Local: Sat, Dec 11 2004 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: The American Logical Society
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xxein: But from which concept do you derive a logic to apply?
VERGON:
Logic is not derived from concepts.
You'll have to make your question clearer.
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| User: "" |
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20 Dec 2004 09:55:19 PM |
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xxein: Our understanding of it is... How do you understand
differently?
I could say that logic is the universal manifestation of all its parts,
but do you understand the universal manifestation of all its parts? If
not, you have no logic other than a PARTIAL understanding of them. And
then you conceptualize to try to make a complete logic.
Do you think you conceptualize well?
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