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06 Jul 2005 10:49:04 AM |
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The Best Way to Learn Special Relativity |
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
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| User: "Bilge" |
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| Title: Re: The Best Way to Learn Special Relativity |
08 Jul 2005 11:53:23 AM |
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Perspicacious:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
The best way to learn relativity is to get a decent textbook
and avoid snake oil such as you're peddling.
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: The Best Way to Learn Special Relativity |
11 Jul 2005 06:37:29 PM |
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In article <1120664943.795657.122210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Perspicacious <iperspicacious@yahoo.com> wrote:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
A good way to study relativity is to argue with anti-relativity cranks on
sci.physics, stating your assumptions and showing how your conclusions
follow from them, and doing and writing up the math as you go. They won't
appreciate it, but they'll hit the paradoxes and some of the more
confusing areas, and writing it out forces precision.
--
"'No user-serviceable parts inside.' I'll be the judge of that!"
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: The Best Way to Learn Special Relativity |
06 Jul 2005 12:13:11 PM |
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On a sunny day (6 Jul 2005 08:49:04 -0700) it happened "Perspicacious"
<iperspicacious@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1120664943.795657.122210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
Eh, it is simple:
Think like a Jew would 100 years ago.
Then after a while you will understand why Einstein got completely stuck
in the end.
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| User: "James Toupin" |
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| Title: Re: The Best Way to Learn Special Relativity |
06 Jul 2005 09:33:47 PM |
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"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120669978.30bd2dddf72db63a38540cf5d3d2868a@teranews...
On a sunny day (6 Jul 2005 08:49:04 -0700) it happened "Perspicacious"
<iperspicacious@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1120664943.795657.122210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
Eh, it is simple:
Think like a Jew would 100 years ago.
Then after a while you will understand why Einstein got completely stuck
in the end.
Pardon me? "Think like a Jew would"? I can only assume that this is a
completely irrelevant anti-Semitic statement that has no place in this news
group!
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: The Best Way to Learn Special Relativity |
07 Jul 2005 04:01:55 AM |
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On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Jul 2005 02:33:47 GMT) it happened "James Toupin"
<jtoupin@telus.net> wrote in <fw0ze.134553$on1.43804@clgrps13>:
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120669978.30bd2dddf72db63a38540cf5d3d2868a@teranews...
On a sunny day (6 Jul 2005 08:49:04 -0700) it happened "Perspicacious"
<iperspicacious@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1120664943.795657.122210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
Eh, it is simple:
Think like a Jew would 100 years ago.
Then after a while you will understand why Einstein got completely stuck
in the end.
Pardon me? "Think like a Jew would"? I can only assume that this is a
completely irrelevant anti-Semitic statement that has no place in this news
group!
No it is correct, he was a Jew, and he was wrong.
But I *had* to write it that way after reading a pro-semitic article on
NYtimes.com that stated Jews were much more intelligent then anyone else
(other races), and 'proof' was that they held more Nobel prizes.
So that sort of crap thrown at me (as Einstein clearly was stupido^C, that
prize for him was a political gesture) asks for a punch back.
And ANY group who walks around with huge black hats and thinks God told them
not to work on Saturdays -how- COULD they be intelligent.
Not to mention all the other crap, like keeping Palestinians in cages.
And on the subject of Moses... Well, how dumb must the people be to believe
when he came (fell) down that mountain God wrote something...
well I do not know and do not want to know those details, but these days
God would write it in Usenet I am sure, now would you believe that?
No, this whole Einstein stuff was US propaganda, people learn formulas, not
understanding, math is their God, and it does not work with incorrect
equations.
Time travel and warp drives, and more fantasies, you name it, nothing to show
for, no fusion reactor that works, not even a decent interstellar spacecraft.
No gravity waves detected, a 10 year old can see why Michelson Morley's
experiment cannot show aether, etc etc.
When I first heard of that experiment (at that age or there about) I thought:
'That can never detect anything' (light travel times back and forward cancel).
And now to build an extravagant big one to detect gravity waves?
And then of cause you detect nothing.
Jewish intelligence, overflowing, I think it is going to rain to day.
It is a HARD rain that is going to fall.
Nothing to do with anit-semitism, just with the fact that these groups have
an essential gen missing it seems so they see no difference between math
and reality, and invent things like Mond.
So, genetics.
Why cut your *****? Maybe some essential neurons in there in that race...
Actually waht was the subject line again?
hehe
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| User: "Harry" |
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| Title: Re: The Best Way to Learn Special Relativity |
07 Jul 2005 11:27:01 AM |
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"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120726917.9e3a40a7b8093e07cb7e3d979e671a77@teranews...
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Jul 2005 02:33:47 GMT) it happened "James Toupin"
<jtoupin@telus.net> wrote in <fw0ze.134553$on1.43804@clgrps13>:
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120669978.30bd2dddf72db63a38540cf5d3d2868a@teranews...
On a sunny day (6 Jul 2005 08:49:04 -0700) it happened "Perspicacious"
<iperspicacious@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1120664943.795657.122210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
Eh, it is simple:
Think like a Jew would 100 years ago.
Then after a while you will understand why Einstein got completely
stuck
in the end.
Pardon me? "Think like a Jew would"? I can only assume that this is a
completely irrelevant anti-Semitic statement that has no place in this
news
group!
No it is correct, he was a Jew, and he was wrong.
Statistically, a sample of 1 out of 1 is hardly impressive.
I agree with you that he was wrong on some points, and still I think that he
was a genious.
But I *had* to write it that way after reading a pro-semitic article on
NYtimes.com that stated Jews were much more intelligent then anyone else
(other races), and 'proof' was that they held more Nobel prizes.
Well, that's already a larger sample. ;-)
So that sort of crap thrown at me (as Einstein clearly was stupido^C, that
prize for him was a political gesture) asks for a punch back.
And ANY group who walks around with huge black hats and thinks God told
them
not to work on Saturdays -how- COULD they be intelligent.
Please quote Einstein on claiming so. ;-)
Not to mention all the other crap, like keeping Palestinians in cages.
And on the subject of Moses... Well, how dumb must the people be to
believe
when he came (fell) down that mountain God wrote something...
Ever heard of Christians who also believe that? Perhaps most of them are
Arians. ;-)
well I do not know and do not want to know those details, but these days
God would write it in Usenet I am sure, now would you believe that?
No, this whole Einstein stuff was US propaganda, people learn formulas,
not
understanding, math is their God, and it does not work with incorrect
equations.
Time travel and warp drives, and more fantasies, you name it, nothing to
show
for, no fusion reactor that works, not even a decent interstellar
spacecraft.
No gravity waves detected, a 10 year old can see why Michelson Morley's
experiment cannot show aether, etc etc.
When I first heard of that experiment (at that age or there about) I
thought:
'That can never detect anything' (light travel times back and forward
cancel).
Hmm... you could be right but if so, only by sheer luck and for reasons that
you can't even imagine as your argument sucks like the thinking of a 5 yr
old.
And now to build an extravagant big one to detect gravity waves?
And then of cause you detect nothing.
Jewish intelligence, overflowing, I think it is going to rain to day.
It is a HARD rain that is going to fall.
Nothing to do with anit-semitism, just with the fact that these groups
have
an essential gen missing it seems so they see no difference between math
and reality, and invent things like Mond.
Interesting, I thought that that was more of a problem with Americans! :-))
So, genetics.
So, culture.
Why cut your *****? Maybe some essential neurons in there in that race...
Actually waht was the subject line again?
hehe
Hmm, that may be a good idea for you, hehe.
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: The Best Way to Learn Special Relativity |
07 Jul 2005 02:47:00 PM |
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On a sunny day (Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:27:01 +0200) it happened "Harry"
<harald.vanlintel@epfl.ch> wrote in <42cd573a$1@epflnews.epfl.ch>:
No gravity waves detected, a 10 year old can see why Michelson Morley's
experiment cannot show aether, etc etc.
When I first heard of that experiment (at that age or there about) I
thought:
'That can never detect anything' (light travel times back and forward
cancel).
Hmm... you could be right but if so, only by sheer luck and for reasons that
you can't even imagine as your argument sucks like the thinking of a 5 yr
old.
Not exactly, dunno where this all is crossposted, but it was discussed in
...relativity....
The argument is correct, why EiNSteIN did not see that? Well that is proof.
And that haircut... awfull ;-)
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| User: "James Toupin" |
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| Title: Re: The Best Way to Learn Special Relativity |
07 Jul 2005 12:18:43 PM |
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"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1120726917.9e3a40a7b8093e07cb7e3d979e671a77@teranews...
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Jul 2005 02:33:47 GMT) it happened "James Toupin"
<jtoupin@telus.net> wrote in <fw0ze.134553$on1.43804@clgrps13>:
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On a sunny day (6 Jul 2005 08:49:04 -0700) it happened "Perspicacious"
<iperspicacious@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1120664943.795657.122210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote
Eh, it is simple:
Think like a Jew would 100 years ago.
Then after a while you will understand why Einstein got completely stuck
in the end.
"James Toupin wrote
Pardon me? "Think like a Jew would"? I can only assume that this is a
completely irrelevant anti-Semitic statement that has no place in this
news
group!
Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote
No it is correct, he was a Jew, and he was wrong.
Well, partially correct. He was born into the Jewish faith, however he was
not exactly an ardent follower of that faith. As for Einstein being wrong,
that's open for debate.
But I *had* to write it that way after reading a pro-semitic article on
NYtimes.com that stated Jews were much more intelligent then anyone else
(other races), and 'proof' was that they held more Nobel prizes.
Hmmm? Okay, I don't like generalizations of any group. Still, winning more
Nobel prizes is probably a bad example to reinforce your argument of Jewish
inferiority.
So that sort of crap thrown at me (as Einstein clearly was stupido^C, that
prize for him was a political gesture) asks for a punch back.
And ANY group who walks around with huge black hats and thinks God told
them
not to work on Saturdays -how- COULD they be intelligent.
As opposed to say Fundamentalist Evangelical Christians who believe that the
Bible is the unaltered word of God, that God told them not to work on
Sundays, and that unless you accept Jesus (Who was a Jew I might add) as
your personal saviour you will be condemned to eternal damnation?
Not to mention all the other crap, like keeping Palestinians in cages.
And on the subject of Moses... Well, how dumb must the people be to
believe
when he came (fell) down that mountain God wrote something...
well I do not know and do not want to know those details, but these days
God would write it in Usenet I am sure, now would you believe that?
I believe that would be the Ten Commandments... And oddly enough, Christians
and Muslims believe that as well. Lets be an equal opportunity basher when
it comes to religious beliefs.
No, this whole Einstein stuff was US propaganda,
U.S. propaganda? Excuse me, but wasn't Einstein a Swiss patent clerk when he
formulated his theories? And I believe he was living in Germany when he
actually was awarded the Nobel Prize... Wow! Those sneaky Americans...
people learn formulas, not
understanding, math is their God, and it does not work with incorrect
equations.
Time travel and warp drives, and more fantasies, you name it,
Time travel and warp drives are hardly ideas that Einstein would have
embraced. They were never apart of his theory. They have been deduced from
his theory by scientists who have studied his theories. They are the ones
you would have to blame for these "fantasies". And I believe that many of
them were not even Jewish.
nothing to show
for, no fusion reactor that works, not even a decent interstellar
spacecraft.
No gravity waves detected, a 10 year old can see why Michelson Morley's
experiment cannot show aether, etc etc.
So because we have no fusion reactors or interstellar space craft Einstein
(And all other Jews) are stupid? Couldn't a gentile have come to the rescue
and developed some of these things? After all, Einstein was a "Theoretical"
physicist not an engineer.
When I first heard of that experiment (at that age or there about) I
thought:
'That can never detect anything' (light travel times back and forward
cancel).
And now to build an extravagant big one to detect gravity waves?
And then of cause you detect nothing.
Yes. The transit time of light outbound and on the return trip would be
identical and the values would cancel each other out. However, what if you
measured a difference in those transit times? Something would have effected
the beam of light at some point in its journey.
Jewish intelligence, overflowing, I think it is going to rain to day.
It is a HARD rain that is going to fall.
Uh? Meaning what exactly?
Nothing to do with anit-semitism, just with the fact that these groups
have
an essential gen missing it seems so they see no difference between math
and reality, and invent things like Mond.
So, genetics.
Aristotle believed the universe could be described in purely mathematical
terms; as did Euclid, Pythagoras, Galileo, and Newton. Not a Jew in the
bunch.
Why cut your *****? Maybe some essential neurons in there in that race...
Actually waht was the subject line again?
hehe
Why cut your *****? I guess you would have to ask the many cultures around
the world who follow that practice to learn the answer to that one. And lets
not even mention female circumcision.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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06 Jul 2005 02:15:51 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
1) *****.
2) MALWARE SITE.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Perspicacious" |
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06 Jul 2005 03:27:31 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
Uncle idiot wrote:
1) *****.
2) MALWARE SITE.
1=2E Your inability to comprehend and honestly refute a paper written
for high school students is understandable.
2=2E "(mal=B4w=E3r) (n.) Short for MALicious softWARE, software designed
specifically to damage or disrupt a system, such as a virus or a
Trojan horse."
Your malice and bigotry against presentations of special relativity
that expose and overpower traditional confusion is also very clear.
You being so dishonest as to claim that
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity
is a MALWARE SITE only confirms the fact that you are thoroughly
incompetent and totally deranged.
Most search engines list Shubert's paper, "A Derivation of the Lorentz
Transformation from Newton's First Law of Motion and the Homogeneity
of Time", at the very top of their pages for keywords such as
derivation Lorentz transformation or special relativity derivation.
In any event, actual malicious websites are a serious issue. That's
why everyone should use the Firefox browser:
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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06 Jul 2005 11:18:24 AM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
It's best to study SR from a textbook and work the problems!
Take a course at a university near you.
There are at least two recent books on relativity that start more
with concept than the mathematics of relativity--Hartle and Carroll.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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06 Jul 2005 11:20:35 AM |
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Sam Wormley wrote:
Perspicacious wrote:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
It's best to study SR from a textbook and work the problems!
Take a course at a university near you.
There are at least two recent books on relativity that start more
with concept than the mathematics of relativity--Hartle and Carroll.
Are There Any Good Books on Relativity Theory?
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Administrivia/rel_booklist.html
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| User: "Bob Cain" |
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11 Jul 2005 05:06:37 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
There is also a 1905 paper, "On the Electrodynamics of
Moving Bodies" which does a bangup job. You can stop when
you get to the second part on electrodynamics if you wish.
SR's kinematics could hardly be presented more simply or
compellingly.
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
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| User: "Perspicacious" |
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11 Jul 2005 08:17:19 PM |
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Bob,
You must be a physicist. Only a physicist would say that he or she
prefers Einstein's tortured reasoning above generality, simplicity
and elegance.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
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| User: "Bob Cain" |
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12 Jul 2005 02:24:25 AM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
Bob,
You must be a physicist. Only a physicist would say that he or she
prefers Einstein's tortured reasoning above generality, simplicity
and elegance.
A thwarted physicist. At a critical juncture in my
education I decided that computers looked more interesting
and veered off in that direction (what was exciting about
physics in 1964 insofar as what had trickled down to the
undergrad level?), heavy sigh.
Actually, with just an ancient electrical engineering degree
(BSEE at that) I found reading the first part of that paper
a few years ago simple and elegant in the extreme and it was
the first time I felt I really understood the underpinnings.
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
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| User: "" |
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08 Jul 2005 11:19:29 AM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
If you want to learn special relativity, it's sometimes
helpful to begin with familiar concepts and then transition
slowly toward the new ideas.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/
1. Get a Gnutella client (morpheus will do).
2. Download all the ebooks with words "physics", "math", "engineering",
"science" (all standard uni texts can be found ;-)).
3. Make sure to download Feynmans lectures, ALL the volumes.
4. Install google desktop search, configure it to only search your
ebook repository (get a patch on google site).
Now you've got yourself your own little digital library which is better
than *MOST* universities (in physics/math/engineering). Best of all,
you can search gigs of material instantly with google desktop search,
and print whatever you want to read when you want to read it.
If you're like me then you would want to d/l papers from arxiv.org in
whatever you are interested in. The google desktop search really
narrows stuff down and saves you a _great_ deal of time.
Feynmans audiobooks are particularly good (the original ones made by
him recorded in the 60's).
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| User: "George E. Hammond" |
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07 Jul 2005 05:01:33 PM |
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[Hammond]
Without any doubt, the easiest way to learn SR, and the most
effective, is to use the "graphical method" discovered
first by Minkowski in the 1920's as everyone knows, then greatly
advanced by Loedel in the 1940's and later Brehme in the 1960's.
The Loedel diagram (so called "oblique axes diagram") now
appears in almost EVERY corner of SR discussions and everybody
should be fmailiar with it.... it is by far the EASIEST and
CLEAREST way to solve any SR problem..... don't leave
home with out it!
Amazingly, this POWERFUL method is presented in a
LEGENDARY small paperback book (Dover, 0-486-65743-4)
entitled _SPECIAL RELATIVITY_ which is currently available
in almost any good sized bookstore chain for the
AMAZINGLY low price of $6.95 ... what a BARGAIN!!!!
SHADOWITZ A. (1968, reprinted many times)
Special Relativity, Dover
ISBN 0-486-65743-4 200 pp $6.95
A few hours study will turn anyone into a genius when
it comes to SR. Twins paradox, time dilation, space
contraction, simultaneatity problems, pole in the barn
problems, it's ALL diagramatically solved here with
diagrams that allow you to obviously and easily identify,
derive, and apply the correct algebraic equations to
solve ANY SR problem.
Quit beating your head against the wall trying to wade
through textual explanations and obscure language and
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for only $6.95 and a couple hours of enjoyable study!
Why waste more than 2 hours of your life on SR...
think about it!
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