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"arene.cashwents" |
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03 Nov 2006 09:13:39 AM |
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The Bible Code proven false? |
Has anyone found a theory explaining how they are finding past events
in the form of number strings which translate to Hebrew characters?
The hebrew alphabet is number based and the so=called Bible Code uses
Hebrew words which produce number strings.
Does it follow that any long string of numbers with any sort of logical
arrangement (such as would be understandable text) would produce
"looked for" results? If it were a random string of characters and
they were finding stuff, I would be scared, but the Bible text, though
a little confusing and contradictory, is hardly random characters.
I would really like some input on this. It's bugging me and I know
there's a simple, logical explanation.
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| User: "The Thing" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible Code proven false? |
04 Nov 2006 11:19:36 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:13:39 -0800, arene.cashwents wrote:
Has anyone found a theory explaining how they are finding past events
in the form of number strings which translate to Hebrew characters?
The hebrew alphabet is number based and the so=called Bible Code uses
Hebrew words which produce number strings.
Does it follow that any long string of numbers with any sort of logical
arrangement (such as would be understandable text) would produce
"looked for" results? If it were a random string of characters and
they were finding stuff, I would be scared, but the Bible text, though
a little confusing and contradictory, is hardly random characters.
I would really like some input on this. It's bugging me and I know
there's a simple, logical explanation.
Yes, the equation is very simple
Bible = Religion = Stupid
Find more effective ways of spending your time.
Regards
The
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible Code proven false? |
05 Nov 2006 06:47:47 AM |
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The Thing wrote:
Yes, the equation is very simple
Bible = Religion = Stupid
Find more effective ways of spending your time.
"Religion is the best thing in the world ... for people who don't have
anything better." - Thaddeus Stout
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "Ben Rudiak-Gould" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible Code proven false? |
03 Nov 2006 02:50:37 PM |
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arene.cashwents wrote:
Does it follow that any long string of numbers with any sort of logical
arrangement (such as would be understandable text) would produce
"looked for" results?
Yes. See this site:
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html
-- Ben
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible Code proven false? |
04 Nov 2006 08:35:49 AM |
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arene.cashwents wrote:
Has anyone found a theory explaining how they are finding past events
in the form of number strings which translate to Hebrew characters?
People are capable of selective perception. It is a very strong
survival trait.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_perception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
It allows is to rapidly identify things in the environment which we are
looking for. My mother was a proofreader, and was able to spot in a
fraction of a second any grammatic or typographical error which had
eluded the writer's eyes for several re-readings. - because she had
*trained* herself to spot errors.
Couple this with the 'fuzzy logic' built into the neurological design,
which enables us to reach conclusions based upon incomplete or
imperfect information (sometimes erroneously) and you have people
misinterpreting data and accidental 'patterns' are percieved as
intentional ones. When this multi-component mechanism goes
out-of-tune, paranoia arises.
The hebrew alphabet is number based and the so=called Bible Code uses
Hebrew words which produce number strings.
Not quite true. It would be more correct to say that the Hebrew
numbers are alphabet-based. The 'number strings' produced in Hebrew
numerology are only positive integers and are not unique - the numbers
represented by individual letters are simply added to obtain a sum. A
brief study of the folklore that has arisen around the legendary
'Number of the Beast' should quickly demonstrate this, and the perils
of the resulting ambiguity.
Does it follow that any long string of numbers with any sort of logical
arrangement (such as would be understandable text) would produce
"looked for" results?
Yes. See
http://www.super-computing.org/pi-decimal_current.html
Look down about 3/4ths of the way to the section starting "Some of
interesting digits sequences for decimal digits" You will see for
example that the sequence "012345678790" appears 9 times within the
first 1,200,000,000,000 digits of pi.
If it were a random string of characters and
they were finding stuff, I would be scared, but the Bible text, though
a little confusing and contradictory, is hardly random characters.
Because letter frequencies are not random but idiosyncratic in any
language (a fact once put to extensive use by cryptographers), strings
of letters *selected from text in a language*
are far *more* likely to generate real words in that language when
randomly strung together than strings of letters selected randomly from
the language's alphabet.
I would really like some input on this. It's bugging me and I know
there's a simple, logical explanation.
Yes. The proponents of the Bible Code and other such claptrap are
ignorant of statistics and of cryptography, but their more
sophisticated understanding of psychology is not sufficient to reveal
to them their own blind spots. They do not see how much they have
channeled their own vision, or how their own invalid assumptions about
'random' events have biased their perceptions.
Imagine an array of nine Hebrew letters (on a 3x3 grid if you like).
One could select two of these letters in 72 different ways (9x8=72).
Of these 72 digrams, a very large portion could be real words.
If one takes three randomly selected letters from a Hebrew text, in any
pre-defined order, the odds are pretty good that a real Hebrew word may
result. Starting with an array of hundreds of Hebrew letters one could
actually form far more words than there are letters. With hundreds of
words to work with, it would not be difficult to find two or more that
seemed to be related to a specific pre-defined context. Of course the
larger the starting text (like the whole of the Torah) the more likely
that one could find letters in more extended patterns that would make
larger single words.
Throw in some loose translation/retranslation and you have a great
tools for 'divination' or 'prophecy.'
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "Igor" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible Code proven false? |
03 Nov 2006 10:52:53 AM |
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arene.cashwents wrote:
Has anyone found a theory explaining how they are finding past events
in the form of number strings which translate to Hebrew characters?
The hebrew alphabet is number based and the so=called Bible Code uses
Hebrew words which produce number strings.
Does it follow that any long string of numbers with any sort of logical
arrangement (such as would be understandable text) would produce
"looked for" results? If it were a random string of characters and
they were finding stuff, I would be scared, but the Bible text, though
a little confusing and contradictory, is hardly random characters.
I would really like some input on this. It's bugging me and I know
there's a simple, logical explanation.
Well, the fact that it can be done with Moby ***** and other classic
literary works might be a good tip off.
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