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"Q-on" |
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23 Feb 2005 07:17:34 PM |
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The Coming Physics Revolution |
From the time of J.J. Thomson discovery of the electrons,
Rutherford finding of the protons, Chadwick derivations
of the neutrons, and the buildup of their consequent
relationships by Bohr, Pauli, Einstein, deBroglie,
Schrodinger, etc. to the present. They are basing it on
the physical properties of it all and especially the
electromagnetic side of it (electrons, electric
field, photons, electromagnetic fields, etc.)which
majority of our instruments can see as well as our eyes.
It is because we think our physical senses are all there
is to it and especially our eyes which receive photons
and interact with electromagnetic wave in the visible
range. We think electromagnetic force is the only major
one in the atom (as well as the other 3). Hence we
focus our understanding on the electromagnetic force
because it is what we can see and what most of our
instruments can detect beside acoustic wave. Of course
we also derived the strong and weak forces
(courtesy of Yukawa and Fermi) and gravity (courtesy
of Newton). But electromagnetic force is the major
force in our lives because we used it to interact
with the world. The strong and weak being just confined
to the nucleus and the gravity a boring monoforce (dealt
with by General Relativity). As the years go by. They are
intermixed producing QCD, QED, QFT, etc.
Since almost all our instruments can only detect
electromagnetic force (as well as acoustic). What if
there are other forces that don't register with
our instruments and also don't register on our physical
senses. Does that mean they don't exist? No.
There are other forces that interact with human. The
detection of them required shifting to another level
of awareness because they can only be perceived using
non-physical means. In due time, instruments can be
constructed to detect them too.
The findings of those who can perceive them says all
matter has an extra energy field.. an intelligent field
in the atom interactive with our mind that may be related
to Bohm implicate order or the coupling in between them.
So aside from the main forces and particles in the
atoms. There are others that exist parallel to them.
Alert readers may say the mind is just a property of the
brain. But come to think of it. The extra energy field
quality of the atoms in the brain produces the mind in a collective
sense hence interacting with all atoms which
also has these undiscovered properites. Think deeply.
The new physics involves the study of this non-physical
dynamics. From the study. We can even find out that
the strong and weak forces may just be illusions and
there are other ways the atoms properties can be explained
without them. By the study of the new physics. We can
even find out that Gravity is not what we think it is
and that it relates to other forces in some ways finally
producing the elusive TOE.
I feel we are like in the beginning of the 20th century
in 1905 when Quantum Mechanics is just in the starting
phase that will take decades to be perfected. Likewise
we are also living at a time when we are just starting
to enter into this new physics phase that may take
decades to be perfected. We don't know when it will
be perfected. But when it does. Humanity enters the
Golden Age when the impact of it can be felt in every
part of life and propel us to heights we never know
existed.
Q-on
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| User: "ring_theory" |
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28 Feb 2005 11:35:31 AM |
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I beg to differ the next revolution in physics will come thru "Discovery by
invention". 1 invention is going to open up the world of physics. However i
don't think that current physics is going to be disproved. if anything the
"invention" will confirm many theories and laws to be fact.
The invention will conform to the laws and utilize them in it's function. It
will comply with all the laws of conservation of energy. It will be a closed
system.
It will be unity, the true representation of unity. It will be the perfect
waveform.
It will defeat gravity, space, and time. The invention will be energy in
it's purest form Kinetic. It will be perpetual. it will end the energy
crisis. It will be very basic in it's function. It will have only one moving
part. It will be a superconductor and a transformer. It will be bearingless,
frictionless and utilize magnetic attraction and repulsion to maintain it's
function.
The inventor will be a nobody in the world of physics.
Ring
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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28 Feb 2005 11:50:48 AM |
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ring_theory wrote:
I beg to differ the next revolution in physics will come thru "Discovery by
invention". 1 invention is going to open up the world of physics. However i
don't think that current physics is going to be disproved. if anything the
"invention" will confirm many theories and laws to be fact.
The invention will conform to the laws and utilize them in it's function. It
will comply with all the laws of conservation of energy. It will be a closed
system.
It will be unity, the true representation of unity. It will be the perfect
waveform.
It will defeat gravity, space, and time. The invention will be energy in
it's purest form Kinetic. It will be perpetual. it will end the energy
crisis. It will be very basic in it's function. It will have only one moving
part. It will be a superconductor and a transformer. It will be bearingless,
frictionless and utilize magnetic attraction and repulsion to maintain it's
function.
The inventor will be a nobody in the world of physics.
If you are correct, this invention will be the worst disaster to
befall mankind since the black death.
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John Popelish
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| User: "ring_theory" |
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| Title: Re: The Coming Physics Revolution |
28 Feb 2005 12:50:20 PM |
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"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
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ring_theory wrote:
I beg to differ the next revolution in physics will come thru "Discovery
by
invention". 1 invention is going to open up the world of physics.
However i
don't think that current physics is going to be disproved. if anything
the
"invention" will confirm many theories and laws to be fact.
The invention will conform to the laws and utilize them in it's
function. It
will comply with all the laws of conservation of energy. It will be a
closed
system.
It will be unity, the true representation of unity. It will be the
perfect
waveform.
It will defeat gravity, space, and time. The invention will be energy in
it's purest form Kinetic. It will be perpetual. it will end the energy
crisis. It will be very basic in it's function. It will have only one
moving
part. It will be a superconductor and a transformer. It will be
bearingless,
frictionless and utilize magnetic attraction and repulsion to maintain
it's
function.
The inventor will be a nobody in the world of physics.
If you are correct, this invention will be the worst disaster to
befall mankind since the black death.
--
John Popelish
I don't think so, the device is only capable of what it is intended. Safe
guards are in effect through design.
Please explain.
Ring
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28 Feb 2005 09:02:30 PM |
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"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:
If you are correct, this invention will be the worst disaster to
befall mankind since the black death.
I don't think so, the device is only capable of what it is intended.
Safe
guards are in effect through design.
Please explain.
Imagine a free, unlimited supply of dynamite for everyone.
It is not exactly the same as free energy,
but close enough to be instructive.
--
John Popelish
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| User: "ring_theory" |
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01 Mar 2005 01:08:24 AM |
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<jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:1109646150.689226.71940@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:
If you are correct, this invention will be the worst disaster to
befall mankind since the black death.
I don't think so, the device is only capable of what it is intended.
Safe
guards are in effect through design.
Please explain.
Imagine a free, unlimited supply of dynamite for everyone.
It is not exactly the same as free energy,
but close enough to be instructive.
--
John Popelish
You see I've had to overcome reengineering the wheel so to speak.
I'm fully aware of what this is capable of and smart enough to take
safeguards. I agree that this could be instructive for mankind and I want it
to be. But on the other hand I want to retain my rights and royalties to it.
Hey the only one looking out for me is me. I don't have unlimited funding,
High tech test equipment, and a team of scientists. So I have to do it like
all the other inventors did. No funding, Low tech, and well yours truly.
I used to say, "I never had money, I don't have money, and I never will have
money." Now I say, "I never had money, I don't have money, and I want to get
filthy rich." Can you blame a guy? However I wouldn't put money above
safety. This is nearly 20 years in the works and have designed the
production models to be low volt low rpm for the sole pourpose of producing
enough power to simply power a laptop or small appliances. It would be no
more dangerous than a 30,000 rpm 12volt motor. I designed it with safety in
mind. I'd rather die a poor man than to know that something I designed
killed someone.
Ring
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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01 Mar 2005 04:20:53 AM |
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ring_theory wrote:
<jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
Imagine a free, unlimited supply of dynamite for everyone.
It is not exactly the same as free energy,
but close enough to be instructive.
You see I've had to overcome reengineering the wheel so to speak.
I'm fully aware of what this is capable of and smart enough to take
safeguards. I agree that this could be instructive for mankind and I want it
to be. But on the other hand I want to retain my rights and royalties to it.
Hey the only one looking out for me is me. I don't have unlimited funding,
High tech test equipment, and a team of scientists. So I have to do it like
all the other inventors did. No funding, Low tech, and well yours truly.
I used to say, "I never had money, I don't have money, and I never will have
money." Now I say, "I never had money, I don't have money, and I want to get
filthy rich." Can you blame a guy? However I wouldn't put money above
safety. This is nearly 20 years in the works and have designed the
production models to be low volt low rpm for the sole pourpose of producing
enough power to simply power a laptop or small appliances. It would be no
more dangerous than a 30,000 rpm 12volt motor. I designed it with safety in
mind. I'd rather die a poor man than to know that something I designed
killed someone.
You miss my point, completely.
I don't care a bit about your implementation of this "invention".
If it actually works and you have devised a mechanism that produces
even a milliwatt of free power,
others will scale it up to insane proportions, and it will,
likely, be responsible for our extinction.
My only solace happens to be my very near certainty that you are
mistaken.
But if the universe is capable of supplying free energy
by a means that silly monkeys can manage,
we are doomed.
--
John Popelish
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| User: "ring_theory" |
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01 Mar 2005 11:38:49 AM |
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"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:42244205.5D02E739@rica.net...
ring_theory wrote:
<jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
Imagine a free, unlimited supply of dynamite for everyone.
It is not exactly the same as free energy,
but close enough to be instructive.
You see I've had to overcome reengineering the wheel so to speak.
I'm fully aware of what this is capable of and smart enough to take
safeguards. I agree that this could be instructive for mankind and I
want it
to be. But on the other hand I want to retain my rights and royalties to
it.
Hey the only one looking out for me is me. I don't have unlimited
funding,
High tech test equipment, and a team of scientists. So I have to do it
like
all the other inventors did. No funding, Low tech, and well yours truly.
I used to say, "I never had money, I don't have money, and I never will
have
money." Now I say, "I never had money, I don't have money, and I want to
get
filthy rich." Can you blame a guy? However I wouldn't put money above
safety. This is nearly 20 years in the works and have designed the
production models to be low volt low rpm for the sole pourpose of
producing
enough power to simply power a laptop or small appliances. It would be
no
more dangerous than a 30,000 rpm 12volt motor. I designed it with
safety in
mind. I'd rather die a poor man than to know that something I designed
killed someone.
You miss my point, completely.
I don't care a bit about your implementation of this "invention".
If it actually works and you have devised a mechanism that produces
even a milliwatt of free power,
others will scale it up to insane proportions, and it will,
likely, be responsible for our extinction.
My only solace happens to be my very near certainty that you are
mistaken.
But if the universe is capable of supplying free energy
by a means that silly monkeys can manage,
we are doomed.
--
John Popelish
No, I didn't miss your point. Like were not doomed allready.
The benifits for mankind are endless if responcibly handled and the proper
safeguards are taken. As for "silly monkeys" attempting to get at the
technology. It would result in the device shelling and by the time they got
into the encasement it would be useless scrap.
If by some miracle that someone would wish to scale it up to the point where
it would be volitile to the extent where it could actually threaten mankind
to extinction, it would be an undertaking that would have to involve the
intire scientific society and the devices size would have to be as big as
the US.
There is one area of concerne and that's "time" I don't think the "silly
monkeys" are ready for that. However the technology required to achieve
control of it won't be disclosed till I think mankind is ready for it. "the
true test of awesome power is the ability to NOT use it." I'm a firm
believer of that.
Ring
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| User: "tadchem" |
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01 Mar 2005 12:25:01 PM |
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ring_theory wrote:
<snip>
"the
true test of awesome power is the ability to NOT use it." I'm a
firm
believer of that.
If your enemies believe you will never use your power, then you have
none.
Power is only 'awesome' if you can convince your enemies you just
*might* use it against them.
I have heard that 'they' are working on a microwave beam that can set
off explosives remotely, even in stored ammunition. That could make
for a terrible 'accident.'
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "ring_theory" |
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02 Mar 2005 01:20:33 AM |
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"tadchem" <thomas.davidson@dla.mil> wrote in message
news:1109701501.953483.265510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
ring_theory wrote:
<snip>
"the
true test of awesome power is the ability to NOT use it." I'm a
firm
believer of that.
If your enemies believe you will never use your power, then you have
none.
Power is only 'awesome' if you can convince your enemies you just
*might* use it against them.
Bah! What enemies? You think this is a superweapon?
What brings you to that conclusion?
I have heard that 'they' are working on a microwave beam that can set
off explosives remotely, even in stored ammunition. That could make
for a terrible 'accident.'
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
That's nice, I'll be sure to stay away from stored ammo. But do keep me
informed in case 'they' start cooking cows at a barbecue.
However, I feel there is something carr about your post.
Hmmm thanks for reminding me to put a Microwave Leakage Detector on my wish
list of test equipment.
Ring
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| User: "ring_theory" |
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23 Feb 2005 11:33:03 PM |
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If mankind thinks that physics are going to conform to his thinking than he
is sadly mistaken.
Understanding that would be a revolution for physics. lol
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| User: "Q-on" |
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23 Feb 2005 11:57:33 PM |
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ring_theory wrote:
If mankind thinks that physics are going to conform to his thinking
than he
is sadly mistaken.
Understanding that would be a revolution for physics. lol
The revolution has already been started by the following
people:
1. William Tiller Ph.D Physics
2. Thomas Bearden Ph.D Physics
3. Paul La Violette Ph.D. Physics
4. Jack Sarfatti Ph.D. Physics
5. Fred Alan Wolf Ph.D. Physics
and 30 other more.
Unfortunately. Because the mainstream doesn't want
to help. They are all by themselves. Worse. They
don't want to help one another because of
competition from each other. As a result. Each
of them has a different theory. Only the mainstream
physics participation can put chaos into order and
move humanity forward with one united new physics
with experimental and technical support.
In my case. I still don't know which model is the
right one. I only have the experience about the
mind interactive nature of matter, etc. In other
words. I have the experience, but no theoretical
model to follow because I'm not sure which is
the right one.. yet.
Mainstream physics doesn't want to help. Each of
the new physics theoreticist are in competition.
And my struggle to understand it is getting
more frustrating day by day since I don't have
any Ph.D. like the above to arrive the principles
of the new physics myself.
If I'm so ***** with it all. I'll just go
and grab Randi's 1M prize and then sit in the
resort of the Bermuda islands watching TV about
scientists racing to understand the physics of qi.
Yes. This seems to be the only option left for me
now.
I'm willing to pay $100,000 to anyone who can
convince US immigration to let me visit the US
to challenge and grab Randi one million after
proving to him that qi and bioetheric body
exist and paranormal is real and worthy of
mainstream scientific scrutiny and derivations
of new physics principles.
Q-on
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| User: "" |
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24 Feb 2005 04:36:00 AM |
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the do it knucklehead, what are you writing for? get an invitation from
Randi and I am sure you will get you damn visa. if your application is
rejected, try again. get moving already dimwit and stop you qi
non-sense until you have shown Randi. dig that, troll?
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| User: "Q-on" |
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24 Feb 2005 06:40:35 AM |
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the do it knucklehead, what are you writing for? get an invitation
from
Randi and I am sure you will get you damn visa. if your application
is
rejected, try again. get moving already dimwit and stop you qi
non-sense until you have shown Randi. dig that, troll?
U.S. Immigration can't be negotiated unless you are
government official with special order. They don't
accept promisory words easily because majority of
filipinos who went to US didn't come back and became
illegal immigrants hunted by U.S. Customs. Besides why
would Randi write them when he'd suspect I just want
to go there and an become illegal immigrant. There are
no local groups affiliated with Randi in Phils so can't
do any preliminary tests here.
Anyway. In case I can't make it to U.S. I'm
willing to relinquish my million dollars. For
centuries, greed, selfishness, etc. have lurked in
the minds of men and slowed down the progress of the
human race. I've been thinking a lot yesterday and
today. If I can't make it. It's ok if you or Bjoern
get my millions (Besides, I'd only get $300,000 at
most because it has to be divided with my team).
Here's the test you can do. Pyramid structure
focus concentrated qi at the center and emitting it
upwards. Pranic healers can easily detect the energy.
So get a pranic healer or learn yourself, demonstrate
this to Randi with him putting pyramids below your
hands hidden 100 times. You can get it right 100
times or more and you can grab the millions. There
are other tests we have in mind and I'm willing to
share it to anyone. I realized that it doesn't matter
if I or others won the prize (especially considering
the U.S. embassy in Phils has super strict visa
screening that I've failed before). What is important
is qi physics become mainstream science. In times
like this. Sacrifice of personal gain is in order
in behalf of human race, progress and the future.
Q-on
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| User: "" |
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24 Feb 2005 07:22:51 AM |
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Q-on wrote:
bryant_j_j@yahoo.com wrote:
the do it knucklehead, what are you writing for? get an invitation
from
Randi and I am sure you will get you damn visa. if your application
is
rejected, try again. get moving already dimwit and stop you qi
non-sense until you have shown Randi. dig that, troll?
U.S. Immigration can't be negotiated unless you are
government official with special order. They don't
accept promisory words easily because majority of
filipinos who went to US didn't come back and became
illegal immigrants hunted by U.S. Customs. Besides why
would Randi write them when he'd suspect I just want
to go there and an become illegal immigrant. There are
no local groups affiliated with Randi in Phils so can't
do any preliminary tests here.
shut up, stop and your non-sense and pathetic holier-than-thou attitude
you money-scamming fraud.
Anyway. In case I can't make it to U.S. I'm
willing to relinquish my million dollars. For
centuries, greed, selfishness, etc. have lurked in
the minds of men and slowed down the progress of the
human race. I've been thinking a lot yesterday and
today. If I can't make it. It's ok if you or Bjoern
get my millions (Besides, I'd only get $300,000 at
most because it has to be divided with my team).
Here's the test you can do. Pyramid structure
focus concentrated qi at the center and emitting it
upwards. Pranic healers can easily detect the energy.
So get a pranic healer or learn yourself, demonstrate
this to Randi with him putting pyramids below your
hands hidden 100 times. You can get it right 100
times or more and you can grab the millions. There
are other tests we have in mind and I'm willing to
share it to anyone. I realized that it doesn't matter
if I or others won the prize (especially considering
the U.S. embassy in Phils has super strict visa
screening that I've failed before). What is important
is qi physics become mainstream science. In times
like this. Sacrifice of personal gain is in order
in behalf of human race, progress and the future.
Q-on
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| User: "Q-on" |
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24 Feb 2005 09:36:54 AM |
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wrote:
shut up, stop and your non-sense and pathetic holier-than-thou
attitude
you money-scamming fraud.
believe what you want, whatever will make you happy.
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| User: "" |
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24 Feb 2005 08:00:40 PM |
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this is what a believe and what makes me happy: you are a
money-scamming fraud who claims to be able to heal people but has
nothing to show for it.
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| User: "Q-on" |
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24 Feb 2005 08:38:39 PM |
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wrote:
this is what a believe and what makes me happy: you are a
money-scamming fraud who claims to be able to heal people but has
nothing to show for it.
First. I have never gotten money from anyone for any
healing.
Second. I only want to understand the physics of qi for
my own health. When I get mad. My qi gets dirty and its
spread all over my body. I want a machine where I can
enter and it can clean me automatically and stuff like
that.
Third. This qi healing is nothing special. All people
can heal themselves. When you exercise, dirty qi is
removed from your body. So all doing Tai chi, etc.
are automatically healing themselves. If you want to
treat a special part such as wounds. That's when you
have to work manually by scooping the dirty qi and
throw it to salt water and emitting clean qi into
it to make immunological mediated healing optimum.
It's ok if you continue your somewhat nasty skeptical
attitude. I love it really because I am a hard data man
and I deal with exacting accurate and precise mechanism
and details and that's what I want to understand in
qi dynamics and its scientific principles.
Meantime. I'll focus on QM and QED by studying Feynmann
Lectures so I can challenge anyone esp Bjoern using
their language.
Thanks for all your criticism dude.It makes me more
determined to understand the physics of qi.
Q-on
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| User: "Dr. Photon" |
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28 Feb 2005 04:40:52 AM |
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"Q-on" <physicsofchi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<1109299119.549010.70310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>...
bryant_j_j@yahoo.com wrote:
this is what a believe and what makes me happy: you are a
money-scamming fraud who claims to be able to heal people but has
nothing to show for it.
First. I have never gotten money from anyone for any
healing.
Second. I only want to understand the physics of qi for
my own health. When I get mad. My qi gets dirty and its
spread all over my body.
Sounds like adrenalin to me.
I want a machine where I can
enter and it can clean me automatically and stuff like
that.
Sounds like you should develop an adrenalin antidote.
[snip]
Meantime. I'll focus on QM and QED by studying Feynmann
Lectures so I can challenge anyone esp Bjoern using
their language.
Make sure to include Prigogine. Then study some biology.
Thanks for all your criticism dude.It makes me more
determined to understand the physics of qi.
Q-on
BR
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| User: "" |
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24 Feb 2005 11:26:48 PM |
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Q-on wrote:
bryant_j_j@yahoo.com wrote:
It's ok if you continue your somewhat nasty skeptical
attitude.
yes they have to be nasty because you keep quacking.
I love it really because I am a hard data man
ooooo, really Q-on? give me some data which prove the existence
of qi. don't have any do you? so much for "hard data"....
Meantime. I'll focus on QM and QED by studying Feynmann
Lectures so I can challenge anyone esp Bjoern using
their language.
that's about the sanest thing you have ever said. stick to that and
let see just how much you can learn from that.
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| User: "S. Alex" |
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01 Mar 2005 08:00:44 AM |
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You'd better ask an acupuncturist qi.
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| User: "newedana" |
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23 Feb 2005 11:55:04 PM |
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Physics Revolution seems to have already occurred, but in a different
way:
".................. However, man gradually turned out to be like an
animal in viewing the nature ever since the first discovery of atomic
structure by Rutherford, and the electron by Irish physicist G. J.
Stoney and British physicist J. J. Thomson et al around 1897. They
stated that the electron was nothing else than a mass particle building
atoms of all the material system, in respect that its motion obeying
projectile mechanics. The philosophical implication of their thoughts
was profound. ...................... These ideologies say that reliable
knowledge never comes from a shadowy work of human brain, but from real
things touchable, visible and audible with their sensory organs, since
human being is nothing else than a kind of animal species evolved from
single-cell life happen to be emerged on the earth, according to
Charles Darwin's evolutional doctrine. ....................."
" ..................... Under this philosophical background, there
emerged two basic physical theories in the beginning of last century.
One was the quantum mechanical theory initiated by Max Plank, and the
other was [a set of] two theories of relativity, proposed by Albert
Einstein. .................. Both are allegedly particle physics based
on the philosophy of materialism or positivism. In order to describe
the nature with their logic of particle physics, energy and light that
are essentially continuous entities in character had to be subdivided
into unit particles. These particles were called quanta and photon, the
smallest ultimate energy and light particles, indivisible further into
much smaller units. However, this postulation was immediately against
the natural law. .................."
Dr. Hansik Yoon stated in the preface of his book, "Natural Science
Founded on A New Atomic Model". You may read the whole preface from
http://www.yoonsatom.net
You may read his whole book, if you visit the library of University of
Chicago.
http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/crerar/newbooks/nb0105.html
Dr. Hansik Yoon continued. "............... It was the same idea as
that the numerical gap between 1 and 2 could be filled with the
smallest ultimate decimals of infinite numbers. It is a trick to
persuade people to believe improbable things or events as real. If we
use this trick, for example, we can readily prove that [the length of]
two sides of a triangle is equal to the third one.
...................... However, obviously this is no more a triangle."
"............... Continuous entities are theoretically impossible to
subdivide into final subunits, since they are divisible endlessly, and
subdivided final products have the same as their initia1 character.
Energy and light are such entities. Atoms or bio-cells are exceptions,
because they are impossible to be subdivided into much smaller unit
particles without sacrificing their initial atomic or cellular
characters. ........................"
"............... For example, the quantum oscillator, the latest atomic
model, was built based on this idea of particle physics. The kinetic
energy of orbital electron orbiting in three dimensional space forming
an electron cloud cannot balance out theoretically with its potential
energy. .................. Nevertheless, these two energies of orbital
electron are unreasonably balanced in the Shrodinger's wave equation.
It conflicts with a plain truth of physical law. .....................
So the orbital electron of the quantum oscillator cannot perform a real
oscillation, but only an imaginary oscillation in the mathematical
equation. ...................................."
Dr. Hansik Yoon also stated in the preface of his book that
"............... The magnetism induced by this tiny persistent current
ring that has allegedly the Meissoner's diamagnetism effect against
external magnetism governs all the physicochemical phenomena occurring
in material world. It is not the electric attraction force believed
from the 17th century up to now. ................................."
You may read the whole preface of Dr. Yoon's book from
http://www.yoonsatom.net
Or you may read his whole book, if you visit the library of University
of Chicago. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/crerar/newbooks/nb0105.html
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28 Feb 2005 04:46:04 AM |
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"newedana" <simplesong1004@hanmail.net> wrote in message news:<1109224504.752629.154860@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
Physics Revolution seems to have already occurred, but in a different
way:
[snip]
Does Yoon's atomic model agree with following two experiments:
4d orbitals
http://cbed.mse.uiuc.edu/images/cu2o.gif
N2 bonding orbital (half way down at)
http://cibernautes.com/didaclopez/944/2670/
figure caption I think approximately translates as
" One of the images obtained by the group of Villeneuve, which shows
the molecular orbital around the exterior of molecular N2, which
includes an amplitude region that encompasses both atoms and which is
uniquely determined. The images obtained coincide with the theoretical
models of the molecular orbital of diatomic nitrogen."
QM got them right.
BR
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| User: "Q-on" |
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24 Feb 2005 10:02:54 AM |
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newedana wrote:
You may read the whole preface of Dr. Yoon's book from
http://www.yoonsatom.net
Or you may read his whole book, if you visit the library of
University
of Chicago. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/crerar/newbooks/nb0105.html
I contacted yoonatom.net. He is selling me the book for $179
and that's for 308 pages. Expensive!
I can't be offered discount though if I can prove it to him it
would be for educational institution or for review.
I wonder if qi research center can be considered educational
institution. I'm just interested in his "vital force"
explanations. Our cells really need "vital force" to create
the living matrix at all and make us what we are. Without
qi, living things won't exist. All humans, animals or plants
need qi as if ATP metabolic process can only occur with it.
Q-on
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| User: "Mark Palenik" |
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27 Feb 2005 04:00:37 PM |
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"Q-on" <physicsofchi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1109260974.587201.162920@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
newedana wrote:
You may read the whole preface of Dr. Yoon's book from
http://www.yoonsatom.net
Or you may read his whole book, if you visit the library of
University
of Chicago. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/crerar/newbooks/nb0105.html
I contacted yoonatom.net. He is selling me the book for $179
and that's for 308 pages. Expensive!
Someone obviously never went to college. That's textbooks for ya'.
I can't be offered discount though if I can prove it to him it
would be for educational institution or for review.
I wonder if qi research center can be considered educational
institution.
No.
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| User: "" |
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27 Feb 2005 06:11:04 PM |
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Mark Palenik wrote:
"Q-on" <physicsofchi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I contacted yoonatom.net. He is selling me the book for $179
and that's for 308 pages. Expensive!
Someone obviously never went to college. That's textbooks for ya'.
and Yoon's book can hardly be called a 'real' textbook. it's crank
science.
I wonder if qi research center can be considered educational
institution.
No.
definitely not.
cheers.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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23 Feb 2005 07:40:23 PM |
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Q-on wrote:
[snip crap]
The new physics involves the study of this non-physical
dynamics.
[snip rest of crap]
Q-on
Bugger-off.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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23 Feb 2005 10:38:01 PM |
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Psychotic ineducable boring spammer (Alan Schwartz),
the royal fuckwit, "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:421CA8D5.202258D0@hate.spam.net...
Why are you having so much trouble with basic algebra?
Let L_1 = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the stationary frame.
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
What a right royal stooopid *****.
See the peeing puppy moortel, he'll not be glad to add
you to his list of truly IMMORTAL fumbles. I will, though.
Androcles
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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24 Feb 2005 09:48:31 AM |
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Androcles wrote:
[snip crap]
Androcles
<http://www.google.com/search?q=Androcles+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/EnergyConservation.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/HopeThatHelps.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PrizeYours.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/CoverUp.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GDefence.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/OneDim.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Gullible.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/RelativityCancer.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Androrgasm.html>
Androcyst is a spewing psychotic idiot troll.
Why are you having so much trouble with basic algebra?
Let L = distance between Sam and Joe, as measured in the stationary
frame.
Let L' = distance between Sam and Joe, as measured in the moving
frame.
Let v = speed of Sam and Joe, as measured in the stationary frame
(with Joe in front of Sam).
Let L_1 = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the stationary frame.
Let L_1' = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the moving frame.
Let T_1 = time light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as measured in
the stationary frame.
Let T_1' = time light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as measured
in the moving frame.
Let L_2 = distance light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as
measured in the stationary frame.
Let L_2' = distance light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as
measured in the moving frame.
Let T_2 = time light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as measured in
the stationary frame.
Let T_2' = time light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as measured
in the moving frame.
What people are saying to you is that
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
2) L_1/T_1 = c
3) L_1' = L'
4) L_1'/T_1' = c
5) L_2 = cL/(c+v)
6) L_2/T_2 = c
7) L_2' = L'
8) L_2'/T_2' = c
So
L_1 is *not* equal to L_2
L_1 is *not* equal to L
L_1 is *not* equal to L'
L_1 is *not* equal to L_1'
L_2 is *not* equal to L
L_2 is *not* equal to L'
L_2 is *not* equal to L_2'
T_1 is *not* equal to T_2
T_1 is *not* equal to L/c
T_1 is *not* equal to L'/c
T_1 is *not* equal to T_1'
T_2 is *not* equal to L/c
T_2 is *not* equal to L'/c
T_2 is *not* equal to T_2'
On the other hand,
L_1' is equal to L_2'
L_1' is equal to L'
L_2' is equal to L'
T_1' is equal to T_2'
T_1' is equal to L'/c
T_2' is equal to L'/c
Is there yet another way for you to misunderstand?
Einstein:
½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] =
tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
Taking a = x, b = t + x'/(c-v), the functional equation above becomes:
tau(0,0,0,b-a/(c-v)) + tau(0,0,0,b+a/(c+v)) = 2 tau(a,0,0,b).
Defining the function F(k) = 2 tau(0,0,0,k), it then follows that
tau(a,0,0,b) = F(b-a/(c-v)) + F(b+a/(c+v)).
Conversely, taking a = 0 in the equation above, it follows that
tau(0,0,0,b) = F(b) + F(b) = 2F(b).
Therefore, the general solution to the functional equation above is:
tau(a,0,0,b) = F(b-a/(c-v)) + F(b+a/(c+v))
where F is otherwise arbitrary.
(Further restrictions cited in the paper then narrow down the function
F(x); this also shows that the assumption in the paper of
differentiability is entirely superfluous. The derivation above
proceeds without any assumption about tau being differentiable or even
continuous.)
Thus, going back to Einstein's notation with x' = x - vt, it follows
that
tau(x-vt,0,0,t) = F((ct-x)/(c-v)) + F((ct+x)/(c-v))
which shows that the natural coordinates that enter into play are ct-x
and ct+x.
In terms of these the Lorentz transformation simplifies substantially:
ct-x -> sqrt((c+v)/(c-v)) (ct-x)
ct+x -> sqrt((c-v)/(c+v)) (ct+x)
involving, respectively, a blue shift and red shift factor and
directly representing the Relativistic Doppler effect.
If two Lorentz transformation are done along the x axis at velocities
v1 and v2 respectively, then the factors would multiple:
sqrt((c+v1)/(c-v1)) sqrt((c+v2)/(c-v2))
which reduces to a Lorentz transform with a velocity v given by:
sqrt((c+v)/(c-v)) = sqrt((c+v1)/(c-v1)) sqrt((c+v2)/(c-v2))
Solving this for v, you get:
v = (v1 + v2)/(1 + v1 v2/c^2)
So the velocity addition rule becomes the addition rule for the
"rapidity":
u = c/2 ln((c+v)/(c-v))
with
u = u1 + u2.
Rapidity and velocity are virtually identical. For a vessel going at
v= 3km/second,
|v - u| ~~ 6 microns/second.
Therefore, velocities (redefined as rapidities) add as usual in
Relativity, as well as in Newtonian physics.
Hey idiot Androcles,
<http://www.google.com/search?q=Androcles+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be>
reposting the same idiot drool that has been so thoroughly, utterly
publicly discredited by those who can do math (e.g., Randy Poe, in
disgustingly punctilious counterpoint) merely demonstrates what an
intractible idiot you are.
Empirical physical reality casts the only votes that count. Your
idiot spew is falsified by trivial empirical observation. You are a
psychotic ineducable idiot.
Where are your citations, idiot Androcles? Where are your literature
references, idiot Androcles? Where is your empirical observational
support, idiot Androcles? You drown in explicit empirical
falsfification, idiot Androcles. Your ignorance, incompetence, and
psychosis are not of interest to the world at large. Quite the
contrary. You are not even an interesting laughingstock.
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html>
Hafele-Keating experiment. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
Nature 425 374 (2003)
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/>
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture16.pdf>
Relativity in the GPS system. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity. You are fucked,
idiot Androcles.
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries. You are fucked, idiot
Androcles.
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html>
Mathematics of gravitation. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/toe.html
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/maths/spctime.htm
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/Fields2.pdf>
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
Idiot Androcles is a eunuch in a brothel, a capon in a henhouse, a
steer amidst cows; a stot, a gelding, a gelt, a havier, a gib, a
lapin, a seg, a hog, a wether... a butt-fucked psychotic idiot spewing
in a science newsgroup.
Androcyst and logs:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LogsHuh.html
Androcyst and vectors:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/IdiotVectors.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/AndroVec.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/VectorLength.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/VectorSpaces.html
Androcyst and limits:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NegativeInfinity.html
Androcyst and equations:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Pythagoras2.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SetSolve2.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Persuasive.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/AndroDistri.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Pythagoras.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/ToothlessBite.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Competent.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/UseTrans.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Sheesh.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SetSolve.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/DivZero.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Think.html
Androcyst and square roots:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/STILL.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/CanSpecify.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Nearly.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Quadratic.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GrowUp.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Tautology.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Material.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GIVEN.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PythagoRescue.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SqrtRev.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NegSqrt.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SqrtAnswers.html
Androcyst and exclusive ors:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Gibberish.html
Androcyst and partial differential equations:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff2.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff3.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: The Coming Physics Revolution |
24 Feb 2005 10:07:53 AM |
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Psychotic ineducable boring spammer (Alan Schwartz),
the royal fuckwit, "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:421CA8D5.202258D0@hate.spam.net...
Why are you having so much trouble with basic algebra?
Let L_1 = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the stationary frame.
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
What a right royal stooopid *****.
See the peeing puppy moortel, he'll not be glad to add
you to his list of truly IMMORTAL fumbles. I will, though.
Androcles
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: The Coming Physics Revolution |
24 Feb 2005 11:45:03 AM |
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Androcles wrote:
Psychotic ineducable boring spammer (Alan Schwartz),
the royal fuckwit, "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:421CA8D5.202258D0@hate.spam.net...
Why are you having so much trouble with basic algebra?
Let L_1 = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the stationary frame.
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
What a right royal stooopid *****.
See the peeing puppy moortel, he'll not be glad to add
you to his list of truly IMMORTAL fumbles. I will, though.
Androcles
I remind Androcles of his own track record.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Androcles+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be
indicating that he has much to learn about classical physics and is
not in a position to criticize.
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