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10 Dec 2004 01:38:05 PM |
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The Definition of A World-Line |
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in the stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
The rate of passage of clock time (and thus the accumulation of clock time)
is dependent on the world-line of the clock and thus the absolute motion of
the clock. The higher is the state of absolute motion of the clock the
slower is its clock rate and thus the slower is the accumulation of clock
time. The SRians call this time dilation.
The physical length of a rod is not affected by its world-line and thus it's
not affected by the state of absolute motion of the rod. However, the light
path length of a rod is affected by the state of absolute motion of the rod.
The higher is the state of absolute motion of the rod the longer is the
light path length (the length light must travel to traverse the length of
the rod). The SRians call this length contraction.
The above definition for a world-line explains why the speed of light is a
constant math ratio as follows:
By definition the speed of light in the rest frame of the aether is as
follows:
Light path length of rod (299,792,458m)/the absolute time content for a
clock second co-moivng with the rod.
Detailed explannation of this new definition:
The speed of light in the rest frame of the ether is determined as follows:
Light path length in the ether frame=gamma*299,792,458m.
This is reduced to--(299,792,458m)-- because gamma is equal to one in the
ether frame.
The absolute time content for a clock second in the ether frame
=gamma*1 ether frame clock second.
This is reduced to--(1 ether frame clock second)--because gamma is equal to
one in the ether frame.
Therefore the speed of light in the ether frame is:
299,792,458m/1 ether frame clock second
The speed of light in any frame moving in the stationary ether is determined
as follows:
The light path length of rod in the moving frame=gamma*299,792,458m
The absolute itme content for a moving clock second
=gamma*1 ether frame clock second
Therefore the speed of light in any moving frame in the stationary ether is
as follows:
gamma*299,792,458m/gamma*1 ether frame clock second.
This is reduce to a constant math ratio of:: 299,792,458m/1 ether frame
clock second
Ken Seto
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ROTFLOL....Wormy is a runt of the SR experts. He is in a state of panick.
Definition for a runt of the SR experts:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend
beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who
disagrees with SR.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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10 Dec 2004 05:54:17 PM |
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"kenseto" <kenseto@erinet.com> wrote in message news:xWmud.59733$MG3.24595@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in the stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
Seto, try to finally face it: YOU ARE A BIG IDIOT.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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13 Dec 2004 02:38:15 PM |
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In article <xWmud.59733$MG3.24595@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
kenseto <kenseto@erinet.com> wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in the stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
A world line is a trajectory tipped sideways. And not even LET claims
that the observer's frame is the aether frame.
--
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is
poetry, imagination." -- Max Planck
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| User: "Paul Cardinale" |
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13 Dec 2004 08:49:29 AM |
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To get an idea of what's actually occurring in the kenseto's puny
little mind, delete all words with three or more syllables and all
words that involve physics (e.g. length, clock). Those are the words
that the kenseto loves to use but is incapable of comprehending.
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| User: "kenseto" |
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13 Dec 2004 11:44:50 AM |
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"Paul Cardinale" <pcardinale@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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To get an idea of what's actually occurring in the kenseto's puny
little mind, delete all words with three or more syllables and all
words that involve physics (e.g. length, clock). Those are the words
that the kenseto loves to use but is incapable of comprehending.
ROTFLOL....Cardinale is a runt of the SR experts. He failed the Mar Lander
mission by not converting the English units into cgs units.
Definition for a runt of the SR experts:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend beyond what
he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who disagrees with
SR.
Ken Seto
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: A Spot Reader for SR (was Re: The Definition of A World-Line) |
13 Dec 2004 11:01:25 AM |
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In sci.physics, Paul Cardinale
<pcardinale@volcanomail.com>
wrote
on 13 Dec 2004 06:49:29 -0800
<1102949369.492289.170910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
To get an idea of what's actually occurring in the kenseto's puny
little mind, delete all words with three or more syllables and all
words that involve physics (e.g. length, clock). Those are the words
that the kenseto loves to use but is incapable of comprehending.
See Clock 1.
See Clock 2.
Tick, clocks, tick.
Side by side.
See clocks out of sync.
Need to fix.
Tweak, guy, tweak.
See clocks now in sync.
Tick, clocks, tick.
See the rocket.
Woo, red and green.
See Forklift Man.
Lift, clock 2, lift.
See Forklift go into rocket.
Thud.
See Forklift go out of rocket.
Hmm, where's clock 2?
Oh, there it is.
See hatch close.
Boom.
See workers back off.
Get safe, guys!
5...4...3...2...1...
See rocket blast off.
Beautiful.
See first stage fall.
Splash.
See second stage fall.
Burn stage 3, burn.
See final burn.
Coast, rocket, coast.
See RTMS in the URU [*] start operation.
All systems go.
Watch clock 2 on RVSM.
Tick clock...uh, are we seeing a major TAME
of about 4.46 * 10^-10 s/s?
Hmmm.
:-)
(Somehow, I doubt this will become a Popup Learner's Book
anytime soon...mostly because NASA would insist on the
acronyms.)
[*] Receiver Transmitter Measurement System.
Unmanned Rocket Unit.
Remote Viewing System Monitor.
Time Anomalous Measurement Event.
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Definition of A World-Line |
10 Dec 2004 04:16:04 PM |
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kenseto wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians
#1 "SRian" is a strawman you made up to pursue your nonsense.
#2 Worldlines have nothing to do with Relativity. You have
worldlines in Newtonian Physics too. Even in Aristotle's
Physics. It applies to anything anywhere where there is
space and time.
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| User: "kenseto" |
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13 Dec 2004 12:40:58 PM |
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<whopkins@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians
#1 "SRian" is a strawman you made up to pursue your nonsense.
#2 Worldlines have nothing to do with Relativity. You have
worldlines in Newtonian Physics too. Even in Aristotle's
Physics. It applies to anything anywhere where there is
space and time.
So worldline is just a term physicists use to represent the state of
absolute motion of an object.:-)
Ken Seto
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10 Dec 2004 05:27:48 PM |
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kenseto wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in the
stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
Your claim is meaningless as is, because in SR there is no frame that
is ever chosen to be the "frame of absolute rest." SR doesn't even need
such a frame conceptually. And even though in LET such a frame is
needed conceptually, it is never actually chosen either, ironically
enough. Both SR and LET get away with not proclaiming the actual "frame
of absolute rest" because the Lorentz transfomration makes it
superfluous, empirically speaking, in both cases.
Patrick
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| User: "kenseto" |
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13 Dec 2004 12:46:25 PM |
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<reany@asu.edu> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in the
stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
Your claim is meaningless as is, because in SR there is no frame that
is ever chosen to be the "frame of absolute rest."
True but that's the resaon why SR is incomplete.
SR doesn't even need
such a frame conceptually.
Yes it does. SR assumes that all frames are at rest in the aether. That's
the reason why SR insist that the observer sees all clocks moving wrt to him
run slow and all rods moving wrt him are contracted.
And even though in LET such a frame is
needed conceptually, it is never actually chosen either, ironically
enough. Both SR and LET get away with not proclaiming the actual "frame
of absolute rest" because the Lorentz transfomration makes it
superfluous, empirically speaking, in both cases.
Wrong both SR and LET claims that the observer's frame is the aether frame.
Ken Seto
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| User: "jahn" |
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13 Dec 2004 01:03:55 PM |
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"kenseto" <kenseto@erinet.com> wrote in message news:5slvd.35949$CG4.16932@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
<reany@asu.edu> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in the
stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
Your claim is meaningless as is, because in SR there is no frame that
is ever chosen to be the "frame of absolute rest."
True but that's the resaon why SR is incomplete.
SR doesn't even need
such a frame conceptually.
Yes it does. SR assumes that all frames are at rest in the aether. That's
the reason why SR insist that the observer sees all clocks moving wrt to him
run slow and all rods moving wrt him are contracted.
And even though in LET such a frame is
needed conceptually, it is never actually chosen either, ironically
enough. Both SR and LET get away with not proclaiming the actual "frame
of absolute rest" because the Lorentz transfomration makes it
superfluous, empirically speaking, in both cases.
Wrong both SR and LET claims that the observer's frame is the aether frame.
Indeed. In SR, the aether wind is the only basis
given for the slowing of a light-clock and
and Maxwell's ether based equations are
supported rather than scrutinzed as possibly
contributing to the PoR/SoL conumdrum.
Sue...
Ken Seto
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13 Dec 2004 05:27:58 PM |
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kenseto wrote:
<reany@asu.edu> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in the
stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
Your claim is meaningless as is, because in SR there is no frame
that
is ever chosen to be the "frame of absolute rest."
True but that's the resaon why SR is incomplete.
incomplete to what end?
SR doesn't even need
such a frame conceptually.
Yes it does. SR assumes that all frames are at rest in the aether.
That's
the reason why SR insist that the observer sees all clocks moving wrt
to him
run slow and all rods moving wrt him are contracted.
And even though in LET such a frame is
needed conceptually, it is never actually chosen either, ironically
enough. Both SR and LET get away with not proclaiming the actual
"frame
of absolute rest" because the Lorentz transfomration makes it
superfluous, empirically speaking, in both cases.
Wrong both SR and LET claims that the observer's frame is the aether
frame.
Ken Seto
That's the most ludicous claim I've seen here in a long time.
Patrick
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14 Dec 2004 08:23:55 AM |
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<reany@asu.edu> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
<reany@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:1102721268.165367.312850@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
kenseto wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in the
stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
Your claim is meaningless as is, because in SR there is no frame
that
is ever chosen to be the "frame of absolute rest."
True but that's the resaon why SR is incomplete.
incomplete to what end?
Incomplete because SR assumes that the observer is at rest in the aether
frame and thus he sees all clocks moving wrt him run slow and all rods
moving wrt him are contracted. In real life, the observer is not at rest in
the aether and therefore some clocks will run slow and some clocks will run
fast compared to his clock. Also some rods will appear to be contracted and
some will appear to be expanded.
SR doesn't even need
such a frame conceptually.
Yes it does. SR assumes that all frames are at rest in the aether.
That's
the reason why SR insist that the observer sees all clocks moving wrt
to him
run slow and all rods moving wrt him are contracted.
And even though in LET such a frame is
needed conceptually, it is never actually chosen either, ironically
enough. Both SR and LET get away with not proclaiming the actual
"frame
of absolute rest" because the Lorentz transfomration makes it
superfluous, empirically speaking, in both cases.
Wrong both SR and LET claims that the observer's frame is the aether
frame.
Ken Seto
That's the most ludicous claim I've seen here in a long time.
That's because of your naive understanding of real physics.
Ken Seto
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| User: "" |
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15 Dec 2004 08:31:38 AM |
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kenseto wrote:
<reany@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:1102980478.040876.78900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
kenseto wrote:
<reany@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:1102721268.165367.312850@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
kenseto wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in
the
stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
Your claim is meaningless as is, because in SR there is no
frame
that
is ever chosen to be the "frame of absolute rest."
True but that's the resaon why SR is incomplete.
incomplete to what end?
Incomplete because SR assumes that the observer is at rest in the
aether
frame and thus he sees all clocks moving wrt him run slow and all
rods
moving wrt him are contracted. In real life, the observer is not at
rest in
the aether and therefore some clocks will run slow and some clocks
will run
fast compared to his clock. Also some rods will appear to be
contracted and
some will appear to be expanded.
There is no such thing as "real life." In SR, every inertial observer
gets to claim that he or she is "at rest," but not "at absoute rest in
some damn ether."
To get to claim to be "at rest" means exactly this: to be able to affix
a coordinate system to you local piece of semi-rigid matter (frame) and
then assign positions, times, and velocities of objects relative to
your coordinate system. SR gives EVERY such inertial frame the equal
right to do that same thing! And in spite of the great liberty that ST
gives the inertial observer in the setting up of coordinate systems,
these spaciotemporal coordinates assigned thusly do transform
egalitarianly by the Lorentz transformation equations.
SR doesn't even need
such a frame conceptually.
Yes it does. SR assumes that all frames are at rest in the
aether.
That's
the reason why SR insist that the observer sees all clocks moving
wrt
to him
run slow and all rods moving wrt him are contracted.
And even though in LET such a frame is
needed conceptually, it is never actually chosen either,
ironically
enough. Both SR and LET get away with not proclaiming the
actual
"frame
of absolute rest" because the Lorentz transfomration makes it
superfluous, empirically speaking, in both cases.
Wrong both SR and LET claims that the observer's frame is the
aether
frame.
Ken Seto
That's the most ludicous claim I've seen here in a long time.
That's because of your naive understanding of real physics.
Ken Seto
There is no such thing as "real physics."
Patrick
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16 Dec 2004 09:47:19 AM |
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<reany@asu.edu> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
<reany@asu.edu> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
<reany@asu.edu> wrote in message
news:1102721268.165367.312850@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
kenseto wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in
the
stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
Your claim is meaningless as is, because in SR there is no
frame
that
is ever chosen to be the "frame of absolute rest."
True but that's the resaon why SR is incomplete.
incomplete to what end?
Incomplete because SR assumes that the observer is at rest in the
aether
frame and thus he sees all clocks moving wrt him run slow and all
rods
moving wrt him are contracted. In real life, the observer is not at
rest in
the aether and therefore some clocks will run slow and some clocks
will run
fast compared to his clock. Also some rods will appear to be
contracted and
some will appear to be expanded.
There is no such thing as "real life." In SR, every inertial observer
gets to claim that he or she is "at rest," but not "at absoute rest in
some damn ether."
When he or she claim to be at rest and then claim that he sees all clcoks
moving realtive to him runs slow and that all rods moving wrt to him are
contracted then he is claiming that he at rest in the aether frame. So your
assertion that there is no damn aether is just a desperated attempt to hide
the fact that SR is a disguided aether theory.
To get to claim to be "at rest" means exactly this: to be able to affix
a coordinate system to you local piece of semi-rigid matter (frame) and
then assign positions, times, and velocities of objects relative to
your coordinate system.
But your coordinate system is moving in the aether.
SR gives EVERY such inertial frame the equal
right to do that same thing!
Yeah but SR also assumes that an observer is at absoilute rest and that's
why his sees all clocks moving wrt to him are running slow.
And in spite of the great liberty that ST
gives the inertial observer in the setting up of coordinate systems,
these spaciotemporal coordinates assigned thusly do transform
egalitarianly by the Lorentz transformation equations.
So what? The LT is incomplete. It excludes the possibilty that some clocks
moving wrt the observer is running fast compared to the observer's clcok..
Ken Seto
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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13 Dec 2004 12:46:27 PM |
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kenseto wrote:
The Definition of A World-Line:
A World-Line is invented by the SRians to represent a path in the stationary
aether traced out by the absolute motion of an object.
No, that is not correct. It is a locus of event-points in a Minkowski
space which represent physically possible events.
I like to think of Minkowski Space (a hyperbolic 4-d geometry) as a
filing cabinet for possible physical events.
Bob Kolker
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