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| User: |
"Pentcho Valev" |
| Date: |
07 Nov 2005 03:15:57 AM |
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The End of Zombie Science II |
Since zombies are going, as always, to confuse everything, here is what
is essential in the story:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17159653-1246,00.html :
"When you find out the speed of light differs, the whole Einstein
theory starts collapsing."
But support for Professor Cahill is growing. The Australian Research
Council gave a $60,000 grant for his research, and the world's largest
particle physics laboratory - CERN in Switzerland - has donated
$100,000 worth of optical fibres.
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Bill Hobba" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 04:46:31 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131354957.433291.71130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Since zombies are going, as always, to confuse everything, here is what
is essential in the story:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17159653-1246,00.html :
"When you find out the speed of light differs, the whole Einstein
theory starts collapsing."
Not in the least. As has been explained time and time again on
sci.physics.relativity SR is not a theory about light. It is entirely
consistent with light having a very small but non zero mass in which case it
is not constant.
Bill
But support for Professor Cahill is growing. The Australian Research
Council gave a $60,000 grant for his research, and the world's largest
particle physics laboratory - CERN in Switzerland - has donated
$100,000 worth of optical fibres.
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 11:34:58 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1131354957.433291.71130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Since zombies are going, as always, to confuse everything, here is what
is essential in the story:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17159653-1246,00.html :
"When you find out the speed of light differs, the whole Einstein
theory starts collapsing."
But support for Professor Cahill is growing. The Australian Research
Council gave a $60,000 grant for his research, and the world's largest
particle physics laboratory - CERN in Switzerland - has donated
$100,000 worth of optical fibres.
:-)
http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cpes/people/cahill_r/Steene.pdf
| "Flinders University theoretical physicist Reg Cahill has
| turned the scientific world on its ear by claiming he has
| found science's Holy Grail - the fabled Theory of
| Everything."
http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cpes/people/cahill_r/
| "Key responsibilities:
| Deputy Head of School
| School Courses and Curricula (Chairman)
| School Space Committee (Chairman)"
http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cpes/people/cahill_r/processphysics.html
| "A new paradigm for the modelling of reality is
| currently being developed called Process Physics.
| In Process Physics we start from the premise that
| the limits to logic, which are implied by Gödel's
| incompleteness theorems, mean that any attempt to
| model reality via a formal system is doomed to failure.
| Instead of formal systems we use a process system,
| which uses the notions of self-referential noise and
| self-organised criticality to create a new type of
| information-theoretic system that is realising both the
| current formal physical modelling of reality but is also
| exhibiting features such as the direction of time, the
| present moment effect and quantum state entanglement
| (including EPR effects, nonlocality and contextuality),
| as well as the more familiar formalisms of Relativity
| and Quantum Mechanics. In particular a theory of
| Quantum Gravity has already emerged.
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| In short, rather than the static 4-dimensional modelling
| of present day (non-process) physics, Process Physics is
| providing a dynamic model where space and matter are
| seen to emerge from a fundamentally random but self-
| organising system. The key insight is that to adequately
| model reality we must move on from the traditional non-
| process syntactical information modelling to a process
| semantic information modelling; such information is
| `internally meaningful'. "
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| User: "AllYou!" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 03:05:47 PM |
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You think stalking me in other NGs is gonna get rid of me in this one, think
again, ***** for brains. I've pretty much ignored your anger, bitterness, and
general small mindedness for nearly a year now, but I post just a couple of
messages here lately and you come and stalk me not only here, but in other NGs?
What's the point of that, Van Moortel? Did I strike a nerve way back then? Was
outing you as the bitter, lowly, immoral, pathetic old man all that hurtful?
Does my mere presence remind you of the fact that you have no life and no claim
to fame and that you've accomplished nothing in your pathetic life? Is that why
you've posted here for so long and devoted yourself to McCarthy-like tactics to
silence those who challenge you? Is it because this is all you have, and to
have it challenged in any way would destroy the only reason you have for
continuing to waste fresh air?
Well, think again, *****. Whatever your motive in going after me for
absolutely no reason could possibly have been, it backfired. I'm not going
anywhere, *****. Deal with it. I'm going to re-devote myself to exposing
you for the empty shell of a person you really are.
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| User: "Sue..." |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 05:56:18 AM |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
Since zombies are going, as always, to confuse everything, here is what
is essential in the story:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17159653-1246,00.html :
"When you find out the speed of light differs, the whole Einstein
theory starts collapsing."
But support for Professor Cahill is growing. The Australian Research
Council gave a $60,000 grant for his research, and the world's largest
particle physics laboratory - CERN in Switzerland - has donated
$100,000 worth of optical fibres.
Pentcho Valev
A more mature Einstein stated ~'it would be enough to really
understand the electron'~
For every 99 students that follows in Einstein's footsteps
there is 1 with sense enough to stand on his shoulders.
Sue...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 06:19:06 AM |
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Relativity is fine for describing what happens in the extreme (extreme
velocities, extreme mass...). In our everyday world of people, and
minds, and neural networks, and the evolution of systems, cybernetics
rules.
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| User: "Sue..." |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 06:21:22 AM |
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wrote:
Relativity is fine for describing what happens in the extreme (extreme
velocities, extreme mass...). In our everyday world of people, and
minds, and neural networks, and the evolution of systems, cybernetics
rules.
Extreme velocites are achived in particle accelerators, not rail cars.
Sue...
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 08:20:25 AM |
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"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1131366082.879374.308620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
donstockba...@hotmail.com wrote:
Relativity is fine for describing what happens in the extreme (extreme
velocities, extreme mass...). In our everyday world of people, and
minds, and neural networks, and the evolution of systems, cybernetics
rules.
Extreme velocites are achived in particle accelerators, not rail cars.
Sue...
Why would anyone want to archive a velocity in a particle accelerator?
Surely libraries and dusty shelves in basements are more suitable?
Androcles.
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| User: "Sue..." |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 08:47:23 AM |
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Androcles wrote:
"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1131366082.879374.308620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
donstockba...@hotmail.com wrote:
Relativity is fine for describing what happens in the extreme (extreme
velocities, extreme mass...). In our everyday world of people, and
minds, and neural networks, and the evolution of systems, cybernetics
rules.
Extreme velocites are achived in particle accelerators, not rail cars.
Sue...
Why would anyone want to archive a velocity in a particle accelerator?
Surely libraries and dusty shelves in basements are more suitable?
Androcles.
When I am giving my Nobel lecture I will be sure to credit you as
my mentor of lexicography...
I am sure you don't want any credit for my insane notions about
electromagnetism.
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/docs/autoren2002/gibbon
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034
:o)
Sue...
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 09:34:30 AM |
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"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1131374843.949653.48110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Androcles wrote:
"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1131366082.879374.308620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
donstockba...@hotmail.com wrote:
Relativity is fine for describing what happens in the extreme (extreme
velocities, extreme mass...). In our everyday world of people, and
minds, and neural networks, and the evolution of systems, cybernetics
rules.
Extreme velocites are achived in particle accelerators, not rail cars.
Sue...
Why would anyone want to archive a velocity in a particle accelerator?
Surely libraries and dusty shelves in basements are more suitable?
Androcles.
When I am giving my Nobel lecture I will be sure to credit you as
my mentor of lexicography...
'ow nise... fank u.
I am sure you don't want any credit for my insane notions about
electromagnetism.
Yep, you are right. Achieve your insane notions on Google archives.
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/docs/autoren2002/gibbon
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034
:o)
Note: Sue said " :o) "
Bozo the clown said it first, Sue is plagiarising without giving credit to
the author.
I would say ":-)" because I have a straight nose, but I don't like the
author
and don't want to give credit. Oops... I said it. I'm gonna do a Sue and
not give credit :-)
I didn't read the funny blue lines starting with http://...
cos they are not anything Sue has said.
Androcles
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| User: "Sue..." |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 09:42:54 AM |
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Androcles wrote:
"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1131374843.949653.48110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Androcles wrote:
"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1131366082.879374.308620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
donstockba...@hotmail.com wrote:
Relativity is fine for describing what happens in the extreme (extreme
velocities, extreme mass...). In our everyday world of people, and
minds, and neural networks, and the evolution of systems, cybernetics
rules.
Extreme velocites are achived in particle accelerators, not rail cars.
Sue...
Why would anyone want to archive a velocity in a particle accelerator?
Surely libraries and dusty shelves in basements are more suitable?
Androcles.
When I am giving my Nobel lecture I will be sure to credit you as
my mentor of lexicography...
'ow nise... fank u.
I am sure you don't want any credit for my insane notions about
electromagnetism.
Yep, you are right. Achieve your insane notions on Google archives.
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/docs/autoren2002/gibbon
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034
:o)
Note: Sue said " :o) "
Bozo the clown said it first, Sue is plagiarising without giving credit to
the author.
I would say ":-)" because I have a straight nose, but I don't like the
author
and don't want to give credit. Oops... I said it. I'm gonna do a Sue and
not give credit :-)
I didn't read the funny blue lines starting with http://...
cos they are not anything Sue has said.
Androcles
Aren't you late for your tamborine tuning tutor ?
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/string.html
Bozo said:
<< :o) >>
http://www.jms101.btinternet.co.uk/basic_sets/bodies/clown/rolleyes.gif
Sue...
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Zombie Science II |
07 Nov 2005 11:18:22 AM |
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"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1131378174.187375.104150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Androcles wrote:
"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1131374843.949653.48110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Androcles wrote:
"Sue..." <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1131366082.879374.308620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
donstockba...@hotmail.com wrote:
Relativity is fine for describing what happens in the extreme
(extreme
velocities, extreme mass...). In our everyday world of people, and
minds, and neural networks, and the evolution of systems,
cybernetics
rules.
Extreme velocites are achived in particle accelerators, not rail
cars.
Sue...
Why would anyone want to archive a velocity in a particle accelerator?
Surely libraries and dusty shelves in basements are more suitable?
Androcles.
When I am giving my Nobel lecture I will be sure to credit you as
my mentor of lexicography...
'ow nise... fank u.
I am sure you don't want any credit for my insane notions about
electromagnetism.
Yep, you are right. Achieve your insane notions on Google archives.
http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/802TEAL3D/teal_tour.htm
http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/docs/autoren2002/gibbon
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204034
:o)
Note: Sue said " :o) "
Bozo the clown said it first, Sue is plagiarising without giving credit
to
the author.
I would say ":-)" because I have a straight nose, but I don't like the
author
and don't want to give credit. Oops... I said it. I'm gonna do a Sue and
not give credit :-)
I didn't read the funny blue lines starting with http://...
cos they are not anything Sue has said.
Androcles
Aren't you late for your tamborine tuning tutor ?
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/string.html
Not really. I'm waiting patiently at home. She'll be around any minute
now with a new set of condo... err... strings for my tamborine.
Bozo said:
<< :o) >>
Much better, fank u.
http://www.jms101.btinternet.co.uk/basic_sets/bodies/clown/rolleyes.gif
Now that one I did read. I added it to my favourites as well. I like her,
her nose looks just like yours, and she's chubby too. Do you think
she waits for the moon to be overhead before weighing herself?
Androcles.
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