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User: "Pentcho Valev"
Date: 08 Feb 2006 12:39:53 AM
Object: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity
Albert Einstein, 1905:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ :
"From this there ensues the following peculiar consequence. If at the
points A and B of K there are stationary clocks which, viewed in the
stationary system, are synchronous; and if the clock at A is moved with
the velocity v along the line AB to B, then on its arrival at B the two
clocks no longer synchronize, but the clock moved from A to B lags
behind the other which has remained at B by tv^2/2c^2 (up to magnitudes
of fourth and higher order), t being the time occupied in the journey
from A to B.
It is at once apparent that this result still holds good if the clock
moves from A to B in any polygonal line, and also when the points A and
B coincide."
Let there be, initially, many synchronous stationary clocks scattered
on the polygonal line (or the original line AB). Then they get moved
along the polygonal line, simultaneously and with constant speed v,
some in one direction, others in the other. According to Einstein's
theory, any moving clock lags behind stationary clocks by tv^2/2c^2.
Therefore, judging from the stationary system, as moving clocks pass
one another, their readings coincide (on their meeting, moving clocks
prove equally slow with respect to a nearby stationary clock).
On the other hand, according to Einstein's theory, as moving clocks
pass one another, their readings cannot coincide. Judging from their
own inertial systems, moving clocks lag behind with respect to one
another as described on p. 7 in
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch10.pdf
The only solution to the problem involves abandoning Einstein's false
principle of constancy of the speed of light (the c principle) and
returning to Newton's true principle of variability of the speed of
light (the c+v principle).
Pentcho Valev
.

User: ""

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 08 Feb 2006 02:01:48 AM
1 = 2
.
User: "Helmut Wabnig"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 08 Feb 2006 02:18:19 AM
On 8 Feb 2006 00:01:48 -0800,
wrote:

1 = 2

Too much for Pentcho
w.
.


User: "Lloyd Parker"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 08 Feb 2006 04:13:06 AM
In article <1139380793.511969.156600@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:

Albert Einstein, 1905:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ :

"From this there ensues the following peculiar consequence. If at the
points A and B of K there are stationary clocks which, viewed in the
stationary system, are synchronous; and if the clock at A is moved with
the velocity v along the line AB to B, then on its arrival at B the two
clocks no longer synchronize, but the clock moved from A to B lags
behind the other which has remained at B by tv^2/2c^2 (up to magnitudes
of fourth and higher order), t being the time occupied in the journey
from A to B.
It is at once apparent that this result still holds good if the clock
moves from A to B in any polygonal line, and also when the points A and
B coincide."

Let there be, initially, many synchronous stationary clocks scattered
on the polygonal line (or the original line AB). Then they get moved
along the polygonal line, simultaneously and with constant speed v,
some in one direction, others in the other. According to Einstein's
theory, any moving clock lags behind stationary clocks by tv^2/2c^2.
Therefore, judging from the stationary system, as moving clocks pass
one another, their readings coincide (on their meeting, moving clocks
prove equally slow with respect to a nearby stationary clock).

On the other hand, according to Einstein's theory, as moving clocks
pass one another, their readings cannot coincide. Judging from their
own inertial systems, moving clocks lag behind with respect to one
another as described on p. 7 in

http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch10.pdf

The only solution to the problem involves abandoning Einstein's false

Only you see to think there's a problem.

principle of constancy of the speed of light (the c principle) and
returning to Newton's true principle of variability of the speed of
light (the c+v principle).

Pentcho Valev

.
User: "Wilson"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 19 Feb 2006 06:06:04 PM
On Wed, 08 Feb 06 10:13:06 GMT,
(Lloyd Parker) wrote:

In article <1139380793.511969.156600@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:

Albert Einstein, 1905:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ :

"From this there ensues the following peculiar consequence. If at the
points A and B of K there are stationary clocks which, viewed in the
stationary system, are synchronous; and if the clock at A is moved with
the velocity v along the line AB to B, then on its arrival at B the two
clocks no longer synchronize, but the clock moved from A to B lags
behind the other which has remained at B by tv^2/2c^2 (up to magnitudes
of fourth and higher order), t being the time occupied in the journey
from A to B.
It is at once apparent that this result still holds good if the clock
moves from A to B in any polygonal line, and also when the points A and
B coincide."

Let there be, initially, many synchronous stationary clocks scattered
on the polygonal line (or the original line AB). Then they get moved
along the polygonal line, simultaneously and with constant speed v,
some in one direction, others in the other. According to Einstein's
theory, any moving clock lags behind stationary clocks by tv^2/2c^2.
Therefore, judging from the stationary system, as moving clocks pass
one another, their readings coincide (on their meeting, moving clocks
prove equally slow with respect to a nearby stationary clock).

On the other hand, according to Einstein's theory, as moving clocks
pass one another, their readings cannot coincide. Judging from their
own inertial systems, moving clocks lag behind with respect to one
another as described on p. 7 in

http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch10.pdf

The only solution to the problem involves abandoning Einstein's false


Only you see to think there's a problem.

Plenty of people know there is a big problem.
Einstein's version of relativity is plain BULL!!!!


principle of constancy of the speed of light (the c principle) and
returning to Newton's true principle of variability of the speed of
light (the c+v principle).

Pentcho Valev

HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
.
User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 19 Feb 2006 06:19:16 PM
Henri Wilson wrote:


Plenty of people know there is a big problem.
Einstein's version of relativity is plain BULL!!!!

Henri Wilson doesn't even understand relativity. There has
never been a prediction of SR or GTR that was contradicted
by an observation. Who is posting bull?
.
User: "Wilson"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 23 Feb 2006 03:37:41 PM
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:19:16 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:


Plenty of people know there is a big problem.
Einstein's version of relativity is plain BULL!!!!


Henri Wilson doesn't even understand relativity. There has
never been a prediction of SR or GTR that was contradicted
by an observation. Who is posting bull?

there has never been an observation that is directly related to relativity.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
.
User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 23 Feb 2006 04:21:27 PM
Henri Wilson wrote:

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:19:16 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:


Henri Wilson wrote:


Plenty of people know there is a big problem.
Einstein's version of relativity is plain BULL!!!!


Henri Wilson doesn't even understand relativity. There has
never been a prediction of SR or GTR that was contradicted
by an observation. Who is posting bull?



there has never been an observation that is directly related to relativity.


You deny 100 years of observations?
.

User: "Paul B. Andersen"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 24 Feb 2006 09:16:49 AM
Henri Wilson wrote:

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:19:16 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:


Henri Wilson wrote:


Plenty of people know there is a big problem.
Einstein's version of relativity is plain BULL!!!!


Henri Wilson doesn't even understand relativity. There has
never been a prediction of SR or GTR that was contradicted
by an observation. Who is posting bull?



there has never been an observation that is directly related to relativity.

A fatal argument!
Well done, Henri.
Paul
.
User: "Solvay"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 25 Feb 2006 11:55:13 PM
The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?
.
User: "Hexenmeister"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 26 Feb 2006 06:24:29 AM
"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?

How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Synchronize/Synchronize.htm
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?
Androcles.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 26 Feb 2006 06:28:20 AM
And like NASA never makes a mistake, Scheistenmaster?
.
User: "Hexenmeister"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 26 Feb 2006 08:00:54 AM
<donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140956900.704868.320300@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...

And like NASA never makes a mistake, Scheistenmaster?

And like Einstein never made a mistake, Scheißekopf?
Stay in your cosy classroom, talk doesn't kill. NASA's mistakes do.
That's why they are more careful than you'll ever be, Bumsenesprit.
Androcles.
.


User: "Lloyd Parker"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 27 Feb 2006 03:41:20 AM
In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?

Who says they don't?

http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Synchronize/Synchronize.htm
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?
Androcles.


.
User: "Hexenmeister"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 27 Feb 2006 04:39:03 PM
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
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In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm
Androcles.


http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Synchronize/Synchronize.htm
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?
Androcles.


.
User: "Spaceman"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 27 Feb 2006 04:46:00 PM
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote in message
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
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In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm

Androcles.

That silly place called NASA, they are ignoring all the relativity
time changes..
They use "absolute" time like science is supposed to do..
How silly of them.
:)
.
User: "Hexenmeister"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 27 Feb 2006 06:03:59 PM
"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote in message
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
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In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm

Androcles.


That silly place called NASA, they are ignoring all the relativity
time changes..
They use "absolute" time like science is supposed to do..
How silly of them.
:)

Yeah, cunts like Lloyd Parker should write to them and straighten them out.
What the ***** is "emory.edu" anyway?
http://www.emory.edu/research.cfm
"Emory receives more research funding than any other university in Georgia,
including more than $350 million in fiscal year 2004, of which $320 million
was in the health sciences."
Obviously the funding went down in 2005, but it sure looks as if Lloyd
Parker
is there as a guinea pig for the students to practice psychiatry on, no way
would he get into a physics and mathematics school with his attitude.
Perhaps he's on a ping-pong scholarship. Georgia is a backwater state,
second only to Louisiana. Heck, the hillbillies of Tennessee and West
Virginia are smarter than Georgians.
Androcles.

.
User: "Lloyd Parker"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 02:58:37 AM
In article <PrMMf.69800$DM.22497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote in message
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
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In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm

Androcles.


That silly place called NASA, they are ignoring all the relativity
time changes..
They use "absolute" time like science is supposed to do..
How silly of them.
:)

Yeah, cunts like Lloyd Parker should write to them and straighten them out.
What the ***** is "emory.edu" anyway?
http://www.emory.edu/research.cfm
"Emory receives more research funding than any other university in Georgia,
including more than $350 million in fiscal year 2004, of which $320 million
was in the health sciences."
Obviously the funding went down in 2005, but it sure looks as if Lloyd
Parker
is there as a guinea pig for the students to practice psychiatry on, no way
would he get into a physics and mathematics school with his attitude.
Perhaps he's on a ping-pong scholarship. Georgia is a backwater state,
second only to Louisiana. Heck, the hillbillies of Tennessee and West
Virginia are smarter than Georgians.
Androcles.




Yeah, sure. Those that can't even teach, hide behind a childish nickname
and ***** and moan on usenet. You do realize, everybody is laughing at you.
.
User: "Hexenmeister"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 10:35:58 AM
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
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In article <PrMMf.69800$DM.22497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote in message
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
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In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm

Androcles.


That silly place called NASA, they are ignoring all the relativity
time changes..
They use "absolute" time like science is supposed to do..
How silly of them.
:)

Yeah, cunts like Lloyd Parker should write to them and straighten them
out.
What the ***** is "emory.edu" anyway?
http://www.emory.edu/research.cfm
"Emory receives more research funding than any other university in
Georgia,
including more than $350 million in fiscal year 2004, of which $320
million
was in the health sciences."
Obviously the funding went down in 2005, but it sure looks as if Lloyd
Parker
is there as a guinea pig for the students to practice psychiatry on, no
way
would he get into a physics and mathematics school with his attitude.
Perhaps he's on a ping-pong scholarship. Georgia is a backwater state,
second only to Louisiana. Heck, the hillbillies of Tennessee and West
Virginia are smarter than Georgians.
Androcles.




Yeah, sure. Those that can't even teach, hide behind a childish nickname
and ***** and moan on usenet.

You have that wrong, it is "Those that can, do. Those that cannot, teach".
And of course there is a hierarchy of teachers, the best are at Sussex,
Oxford, Cambridge, MIT, Harvard and Yale, the worst are in Georgia.

You do realize, everybody is laughing at you.

Good. I'm a better entertainer than you, then, they are weeping with
pity for you. Do you enjoy having needles stuck into you at Emory
school for nursemaids?
Have a real problem, find something wrong with this spreadsheet and
correct it before a med student puts a needle or a boot in your arse.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Doppler/Doppler.htm
Androcles.
.




User: "Randy Poe"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 27 Feb 2006 08:39:40 PM
Hexenmeister wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dtv32s$et7$2@leto.cc.emory.edu...

In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm

Oops, wrong again.
Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.
- Randy
.
User: "Spaceman"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 27 Feb 2006 09:01:54 PM
"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hexenmeister wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
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In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm


Oops, wrong again.

Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.

Randy needs to open his eyes and block off the
relativity figments occuring in his head..
The website states....
Coordinated Universal Time :
The worldwide scientific standard of timekeeping.
It is based upon carefully maintained atomic clocks
and is highly stable. The addition or subtraction of leap
seconds, as necessary, at two opportunities every year
adjusts UTC for irregularities in Earth's rotation.
Where the heck does that say GPS in it except for your
warped relativity mind.
No GPS clocks are involved at all and how you came up
with such ***** is amazingly ignorant.
Wake up some century Randy,
If you use "non periodic" clocks in reality,
You will crash spaceships into objects.
Such is the reason NASA does not use GPS clocks
at all and they use Earth based clocks only.
If you use Earth based absolute time,
You know where objects in space will be no matter
the speed.
Sheesh!
--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman
.
User: "Randy Poe"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 08:33:58 AM
Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hexenmeister wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dtv32s$et7$2@leto.cc.emory.edu...

In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm


Oops, wrong again.

Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.


Randy needs to open his eyes and block off the
relativity figments occuring in his head..
The website states....

Coordinated Universal Time :
The worldwide scientific standard of timekeeping.
It is based upon carefully maintained atomic clocks
and is highly stable. The addition or subtraction of leap
seconds, as necessary, at two opportunities every year
adjusts UTC for irregularities in Earth's rotation.

Where the heck does that say GPS in it except for your
warped relativity mind.

What is this "Coordinated Universal Time"? What are these
"carefully maintained atomic clocks"? Let's search on
"Coordinated Universal Time" and find out:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/UT.html
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/gpstt.html

No GPS clocks are involved at all and how you came up
with such ***** is amazingly ignorant.

UTC comes from the US Navy Timekeeping Service. They
use GPS to do it.
- Randy
.
User: "Spaceman"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 08:56:07 AM
"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hexenmeister wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
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In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
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The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks
experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm


Oops, wrong again.

Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.


Randy needs to open his eyes and block off the
relativity figments occuring in his head..
The website states....

Coordinated Universal Time :
The worldwide scientific standard of timekeeping.
It is based upon carefully maintained atomic clocks
and is highly stable. The addition or subtraction of leap
seconds, as necessary, at two opportunities every year
adjusts UTC for irregularities in Earth's rotation.

Where the heck does that say GPS in it except for your
warped relativity mind.


What is this "Coordinated Universal Time"? What are these
"carefully maintained atomic clocks"? Let's search on
"Coordinated Universal Time" and find out:

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/UT.html
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/gpstt.html

No GPS clocks are involved at all and how you came up
with such ***** is amazingly ignorant.


UTC comes from the US Navy Timekeeping Service. They
use GPS to do it.

Wow, you truly are brainwashed,
They use ground based labs, and if you want to grab such
time off a ground based lab you need to be close to get the
radio signal or you can grab it off the GPS but the whole point
is GPS removes the "time rate changes" of their own clocks.
Get a clue some century Randy.
It is still absolute time, not "relative time".
Sheesh!
LOL
.
User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 09:17:37 AM
Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141137238.858542.271340@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...

Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141094380.648655.154420@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Hexenmeister wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dtv32s$et7$2@leto.cc.emory.edu...

In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:

"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks
experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?


http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm


Oops, wrong again.

Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.


Randy needs to open his eyes and block off the
relativity figments occuring in his head..
The website states....

Coordinated Universal Time :
The worldwide scientific standard of timekeeping.
It is based upon carefully maintained atomic clocks
and is highly stable. The addition or subtraction of leap
seconds, as necessary, at two opportunities every year
adjusts UTC for irregularities in Earth's rotation.

Where the heck does that say GPS in it except for your
warped relativity mind.


What is this "Coordinated Universal Time"? What are these
"carefully maintained atomic clocks"? Let's search on
"Coordinated Universal Time" and find out:

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/UT.html
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/gpstt.html


No GPS clocks are involved at all and how you came up
with such ***** is amazingly ignorant.


UTC comes from the US Navy Timekeeping Service. They
use GPS to do it.



Wow, you truly are brainwashed,
They use ground based labs, and if you want to grab such
time off a ground based lab you need to be close to get the
radio signal or you can grab it off the GPS but the whole point
is GPS removes the "time rate changes" of their own clocks.
Get a clue some century Randy.
It is still absolute time, not "relative time".
Sheesh!
LOL


Hey Driscoll--Here is a bit of timely education for you!
UTC GPS TAI TT (TDT)
----+---------+-----------------+--------------------------+-----
| | | ET 1984.0
|<--33s Leap Seconds------->|<-----32.184S fixed------>|
| | | |
|<--14s-->|<----19s-------->| |
| fixed |
| |
|
---+------- DeltaT = 32.184 s + (TAI-UTC) - (UT1-UTC) -----+-----
UT1 (UT) 64.882 s 33 s +0.302s TT (TDT)
UTC is variable with respect to UT1 and is kept within ±0.9s
with leap seconds.
The differences between GPS Time and International Atomic Time (TAI) and
Terrestrial Time (TT), also know as Terrestrial Dynaminal Time (TDT), are
constant at at the level of some tens of nanoseconds while the difference
between GPS Time and UTC changes in increments of seconds, each time a
leap second is added to UTC time scale.
A summary of the international standard date and time notation
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html
Navy -- The Official Source of Time for the Department of Defense (DoD)
and the Global Positioning System (GPS), and a Standard of Time for the
United States
USNO GPS Time Transfer
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/gpstt.html
The time (UTC) is relative time... relative to the Earth's
rotation primarily. GPS has become the primary means of
time dissemination around the world.
See" http://edu-observatory.org/gps/time.html
.
User: "Spaceman"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 09:41:55 AM
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:lQZMf.793859$x96.37267@attbi_s72...

Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141137238.858542.271340@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...

Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141094380.648655.154420@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Hexenmeister wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dtv32s$et7$2@leto.cc.emory.edu...

In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:

"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?


http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm


Oops, wrong again.

Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.


Randy needs to open his eyes and block off the
relativity figments occuring in his head..
The website states....

Coordinated Universal Time :
The worldwide scientific standard of timekeeping.
It is based upon carefully maintained atomic clocks
and is highly stable. The addition or subtraction of leap
seconds, as necessary, at two opportunities every year
adjusts UTC for irregularities in Earth's rotation.

Where the heck does that say GPS in it except for your
warped relativity mind.


What is this "Coordinated Universal Time"? What are these
"carefully maintained atomic clocks"? Let's search on
"Coordinated Universal Time" and find out:

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/UT.html
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/gpstt.html


No GPS clocks are involved at all and how you came up
with such ***** is amazingly ignorant.


UTC comes from the US Navy Timekeeping Service. They
use GPS to do it.



Wow, you truly are brainwashed,
They use ground based labs, and if you want to grab such
time off a ground based lab you need to be close to get the
radio signal or you can grab it off the GPS but the whole point
is GPS removes the "time rate changes" of their own clocks.
Get a clue some century Randy.
It is still absolute time, not "relative time".
Sheesh!
LOL



Hey Driscoll--Here is a bit of timely education for you!


UTC GPS TAI TT (TDT)
----+---------+-----------------+--------------------------+-----
| | | ET 1984.0
|<--33s Leap Seconds------->|<-----32.184S fixed------>|
| | | |
|<--14s-->|<----19s-------->| |
| fixed |
| |
|
---+------- DeltaT = 32.184 s + (TAI-UTC) - (UT1-UTC) -----+-----
UT1 (UT) 64.882 s 33 s +0.302s TT (TDT)


UTC is variable with respect to UT1 and is kept within ±0.9s
with leap seconds.

The differences between GPS Time and International Atomic Time (TAI) and
Terrestrial Time (TT), also know as Terrestrial Dynaminal Time (TDT),
are
constant at at the level of some tens of nanoseconds while the
difference
between GPS Time and UTC changes in increments of seconds, each time a
leap second is added to UTC time scale.

A summary of the international standard date and time notation
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html

Navy -- The Official Source of Time for the Department of Defense (DoD)
and the Global Positioning System (GPS), and a Standard of Time for the
United States

USNO GPS Time Transfer
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/gpstt.html

The time (UTC) is relative time... relative to the Earth's
rotation primarily. GPS has become the primary means of
time dissemination around the world.

See" http://edu-observatory.org/gps/time.html

ROFLOL
You truly are totally brainwashed.
Still don't get what "sync" means, nor what clocks are "synced" to
what clocks.
LOL
.




User: "Randy Poe"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 08:40:58 AM
Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141094380.648655.154420@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Hexenmeister wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dtv32s$et7$2@leto.cc.emory.edu...

In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm


Oops, wrong again.

Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.


Randy needs to open his eyes and block off the
relativity figments occuring in his head..
The website states....

Coordinated Universal Time :
The worldwide scientific standard of timekeeping.
It is based upon carefully maintained atomic clocks
and is highly stable. The addition or subtraction of leap
seconds, as necessary, at two opportunities every year
adjusts UTC for irregularities in Earth's rotation.

Where the heck does that say GPS in it except for your
warped relativity mind.
No GPS clocks are involved at all and how you came up
with such ***** is amazingly ignorant.

Some more links for you showing how GPS is "not involved
at all in coordinating time".
http://www.tf.nist.gov/timefreq/time/commonviewgps.htm
http://www.tf.nist.gov/timefreq/time/carrierphase.htm
http://igscb.jpl.nasa.gov/projects/tim_trans.html
http://tinyurl.com/qkyo9
(That last one is the Australian master clock service. The
GPS info is buried halfway down the page: "PRECISE TIME
AND FREQUENCY DISSEMINATION: Dissemination of precise
time and frequency from NMI is provided primarily by means of
time transfer via the Global Positioning System (GPS) and 'sync'
pulses in television transmissions. These time transfer methods
varies in accuracy and geographical coverage.")
- Randy
.
User: "Spaceman"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 08:58:20 AM
"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141137658.199994.9400@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...

(That last one is the Australian master clock service. The
GPS info is buried halfway down the page: "PRECISE TIME
AND FREQUENCY DISSEMINATION: Dissemination of precise
time and frequency from NMI is provided primarily by means of
time transfer via the Global Positioning System (GPS) and 'sync'
pulses in television transmissions. These time transfer methods
varies in accuracy and geographical coverage.")

Do you understand what the sync means in the above statement?
It sounds like you don't.
The sync is the part that removes the clocks malfunctions from the
motion they are experiencing.
Absolute time is what they are syncing the clocks for.
Sheesh! again.
.


User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 09:03:13 AM
Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141094380.648655.154420@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Hexenmeister wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dtv32s$et7$2@leto.cc.emory.edu...

In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:

"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?


http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm


Oops, wrong again.

Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.



Randy needs to open his eyes and block off the
relativity figments occuring in his head..
The website states....

Coordinated Universal Time :
The worldwide scientific standard of timekeeping.
It is based upon carefully maintained atomic clocks
and is highly stable. The addition or subtraction of leap
seconds, as necessary, at two opportunities every year
adjusts UTC for irregularities in Earth's rotation.

Where the heck does that say GPS in it except for your
warped relativity mind.
No GPS clocks are involved at all and how you came up
with such ***** is amazingly ignorant.
Wake up some century Randy,
If you use "non periodic" clocks in reality,
You will crash spaceships into objects.
Such is the reason NASA does not use GPS clocks
at all and they use Earth based clocks only.
If you use Earth based absolute time,
You know where objects in space will be no matter
the speed.
Sheesh!

--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman


Hey Driscoll--I've got the resource for you.
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/time.html
Now you won't have to post out of ignorance!
.
User: "Spaceman"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 09:15:30 AM
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:RCZMf.793847$x96.84502@attbi_s72...

Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141094380.648655.154420@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Hexenmeister wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dtv32s$et7$2@leto.cc.emory.edu...

In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:

"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?


http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm


Oops, wrong again.

Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.



Randy needs to open his eyes and block off the
relativity figments occuring in his head..
The website states....

Coordinated Universal Time :
The worldwide scientific standard of timekeeping.
It is based upon carefully maintained atomic clocks
and is highly stable. The addition or subtraction of leap
seconds, as necessary, at two opportunities every year
adjusts UTC for irregularities in Earth's rotation.

Where the heck does that say GPS in it except for your
warped relativity mind.
No GPS clocks are involved at all and how you came up
with such ***** is amazingly ignorant.
Wake up some century Randy,
If you use "non periodic" clocks in reality,
You will crash spaceships into objects.
Such is the reason NASA does not use GPS clocks
at all and they use Earth based clocks only.
If you use Earth based absolute time,
You know where objects in space will be no matter
the speed.
Sheesh!

--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman



Hey Driscoll--I've got the resource for you.
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/time.html

Now you won't have to post out of ignorance!

Hey Sam,
Why do they syncronize the clocks ?
Hint:) To get the absolute time needed for absolute coordinates
DUH!
Maybe you should stop posting your ignorance.
.
User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 10:07:59 AM
Spaceman wrote:

"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:RCZMf.793847$x96.84502@attbi_s72...

Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141094380.648655.154420@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Hexenmeister wrote:


"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dtv32s$et7$2@leto.cc.emory.edu...


In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?


http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm


Oops, wrong again.

Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.



Randy needs to open his eyes and block off the
relativity figments occuring in his head..
The website states....

Coordinated Universal Time :
The worldwide scientific standard of timekeeping.
It is based upon carefully maintained atomic clocks
and is highly stable. The addition or subtraction of leap
seconds, as necessary, at two opportunities every year
adjusts UTC for irregularities in Earth's rotation.

Where the heck does that say GPS in it except for your
warped relativity mind.
No GPS clocks are involved at all and how you came up
with such ***** is amazingly ignorant.
Wake up some century Randy,
If you use "non periodic" clocks in reality,
You will crash spaceships into objects.
Such is the reason NASA does not use GPS clocks
at all and they use Earth based clocks only.
If you use Earth based absolute time,
You know where objects in space will be no matter
the speed.
Sheesh!

--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman



Hey Driscoll--I've got the resource for you.
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/time.html

Now you won't have to post out of ignorance!



Hey Sam,
Why do they syncronize the clocks ?
Hint:) To get the absolute time needed for absolute coordinates
DUH!
Maybe you should stop posting your ignorance.


Hurts, doesn't it, Driscoll!
.
User: "Spaceman"

Title: Re: The Fundamental Absurdity of the Theory of Relativity 28 Feb 2006 10:09:26 AM
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:zz_Mf.801676$_o.439132@attbi_s71...

Spaceman wrote:

"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:RCZMf.793847$x96.84502@attbi_s72...

Spaceman wrote:

"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141094380.648655.154420@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Hexenmeister wrote:


"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dtv32s$et7$2@leto.cc.emory.edu...


In article <16hMf.61936$DM.35497@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey> wrote:


"Solvay" <g7@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1140933313.546952.121340@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


The mu-meson decay-rate experiment and the atomic-clocks experiment
by
Haefele and Keating seem completely convincing.
What is your alternative explanation for these empirical findings?



How come they don't completely convince the folks at NASA-JPL?


Who says they don't?


http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm


Oops, wrong again.

Coordinated Universal Time, the first time listed on that website,
is the synchronized time kept by the world's atomic clocks which
uses relativistically-corrected GPS satellites as a critical part
of the time-keeping system.



Randy needs to open his eyes and block off the
relativity figments occuring in his head..
The website states....

Coordinated Universal Time :
The worldwide scientific standard of timekeeping.
It is based upon carefully maintained atomic clocks
and is highly stable. The addition or subtraction of leap
seconds, as necessary, at two opportunities every year
adjusts UTC for irregularities in Earth's rotation.

Where the heck does that say GPS in it except for your
warped relativity mind.
No GPS clocks are involved at all and how you came up
with such ***** is amazingly ignorant.
Wake up some century Randy,
If you use "non periodic" clocks in reality,
You will crash spaceships into objects.
Such is the reason NASA does not use GPS clocks
at all and they use Earth based clocks only.
If you use Earth based absolute time,
You know where objects in space will be no matter
the speed.
Sheesh!

--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman



Hey Driscoll--I've got the resource for you.
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/time.html

Now you won't have to post out of ignorance!



Hey Sam,
Why do they syncronize the clocks ?
Hint:) To get the absolute time needed for absolute coordinates
DUH!
Maybe you should stop posting your ignorance.



Hurts, doesn't it, Driscoll!

It only hurts you Sam, and it is not nice of you
to steal Uncle Al's line.
:)
.
















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