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Topic:	Science > Physics
User:	"Tom Potter"
Date:	30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM
Object:	The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.

As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
========================
"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
=============
As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant.	20 Apr 2007 10:18:05 PM

Google Image Result for
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/images/content/107472main_Acadia_Forest.jpg
Address:http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/images/content/107472main_Acadia_Forest.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/earthandsun/nps_data.html&start=22&h=344&w=521&sz=129&tbnid=WSF5Jewc8fs-4M:&tbnh=86&tbnw=131&hl=en&um=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmaine%2Bforest%26start%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DISO-8859-1%26sa%3DN
$770 ton pulp pix price soft white .
The 14 inch poles are 30 feet 600 bucks.
1/2 mil biulds a 20,000 on mill machanical pulp.
just log it out and pick 1 good log for evry 2 acres and pay it off and
pocket 5 mil.
The second year just pocket the 20 mil .
donate $ 250,000 to the summer camp on your spider lake . so a bunch of
brats can run amuck on your lake and in your forest.
DUNNS will hand ya cash fo evry log take a pic sample ,,count the logs
you would cut .
OR just pulp out 7000 tons.
14000 ton ,,soak it in the lake till the bark falls off or just pull
7000 2 ton logs out of the lake.
OH NOOOOO>>>>>>>>
sat pic,,my pc tree counter shows maples ..
20,000 maples .
old red maples..
$ 3 bf cut $ 2 bf logs.

$ 3000 a log.
let me check my zoom stump counter
Ill count evry tree on 30,000 acres.
2000 acres is lakes.
500,000 trees with 19 or bigger stumps.
120,000 poles. 12 inch
20,000 red maples.
2000 red maples can be cut.
50,000 logs spruce can be cut.
4 ton per red maple 8000 ton $ 1200 ton.
$8 mil in maples.

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User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant.	20 Apr 2007 10:48:59 PM

maple log Manufacturer, Buyer, Supplier, Importer, Exporter,
Manufacturers, Buyers, Suppliers, Importers & Exporters - ECPlaza
Address:http://www.ecplaza.net/search/1s1nf20sell/maple_log.html
Google ( maple logs trade leads )
$ 13 million bucks for 30,000 acres .
Count evry tree worth a ***** .
see if 1 % of the stand will buy it.
If it will then post it in the trade leads and search trade leads for
buyers untill you own that 30,000 acres and have 5 mil in your pocket.

You said " you dont have 15 million bucks " wake ... Thats because
your not trying .
a weeks work planning to buy 30,000 acres so what !
Its just 13 million ...make 20 then and 15 mil aint so much .
You count and see what 7000 ton pulp will do.
thats 14 kt of ***** as long as its barkless.
YOU should BUY it show it to buyers and after they buy pulp go get 14000
ton of driftwood off washington shores and make it even esyer.
Then pocket the profit on 2000 maples off the 30,000 acres.
Thats about 35 square miles of woods dude.
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User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant.	20 Apr 2007 03:56:34 PM

Buy the 30,000 acres for 13 million .
go4 World Business - Search Results
Address:http://go4worldbusiness.com/search/buyers/searchresults.asp?Srchst=
r=3Dlogs&phrase=3DALL&domain=3DALL&cid=3D&filterby=3DBYR&orderby=3D&pgno=3D=
2
shure YOU dont have 15 million..
How many tons of pine is 15 MILLION ?
How many loads of logs worth 15 mil can ya sell in 1 day ?
30,000 tons of logs is 1 log per acre 1 ton each.
30,000 ton logs is worth 20 mllion if under market prices.
you should buy 30,000 acres and pay it off and have 5 mil cash and
the forest at the end of the year.
LandVest : Allagash Timberlands - 30,226=B1 Acres: Detail
Address:http://www.landvest.com/property.detail.php?property_record_id=3D7=
930&page=3D1
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User: "Mitchell Jones"
Title: Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant.	24 Apr 2007 12:00:54 AM

In article <10384-46292902-413@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net>,

(tj Frazir) wrote:

Buy the 30,000 acres for 13 million .

go4 World Business - Search Results
Address:http://go4worldbusiness.com/search/buyers/searchresults.asp?Srchstr=lo
gs&phrase=ALL&domain=ALL&cid=&filterby=BYR&orderby=&pgno=2

shure YOU dont have 15 million..
How many tons of pine is 15 MILLION ?

How many loads of logs worth 15 mil can ya sell in 1 day ?

30,000 tons of logs is 1 log per acre 1 ton each.

30,000 ton logs is worth 20 mllion if under market prices.

***{If you take one log per acre, you will have to build a network of
roads that gives you access to every acre on the place, and it will cost
you more to get the timber than you can sell it for. That's why logging
companies do clear cutting. You build a short road to a big stand of
timber, and take it all. But, of course, if you try to do that, the
environmental whackos will bury you in litigation, and cost you more
than it would cost to build a road to every acre. And while you are
fighting them in the courts and regulatory agencies, the overhead on the
place will be costing you a cool $1.3 million per year. Only a big
timber company with lots of experience and an army of lawyers on
retainer would touch a deal like that with a ten foot pole. It is,
however, a pretty piece of property, and I appreciate your posting the
link. --MJ}***

you should buy 30,000 acres and pay it off and have 5 mil cash and
the forest at the end of the year.

LandVest : Allagash Timberlands - 30,226� Acres: Detail
Address:http://www.landvest.com/property.detail.php?property_record_id=7930&pa
ge=1

*****************************************************************
If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility
that you are in my killfile. --MJ
.

User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant.	24 Apr 2007 01:57:07 PM

1 tree per acre is 30,000 trees.
not 1 tree from evry acre .
maybe 20,000 of the 350,000 maples.
and 15,000 of the 1.2 million piles.

Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant.

Group: sci.physics Date: Tue, Apr 24, 2007, 12:00am (EDT-1) From:
mjones@21cenlogic.com (Mitchell=A0Jones)
In article <10384-46292902-413@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net>,
GravityPhysics@webtv.net (tj Frazir) wrote:
Buy the 30,000 acres for 13 million .
go4 World Business - Search Results
Address:http://go4worldbusiness.com/search/buyers/searchresults.asp?Srchst=
r=3Dlo
gs&phrase=3DALL&domain=3DALL&cid=3D&filterby=3DBYR&orderby=3D&pgno=3D2
shure YOU dont have 15 million..
How many tons of pine is 15 MILLION ?
How many loads of logs worth 15 mil can ya sell in 1 day ?
30,000 tons of logs is 1 log per acre 1 ton each.
30,000 ton logs is worth 20 mllion if under market prices.
***{If you take one log per acre, you will have to build a network of
roads that gives you access to every acre on the place, and it will cost
you more to get the timber than you can sell it for. That's why logging
companies do clear cutting. You build a short road to a big stand of
timber, and take it all. But, of course, if you try to do that, the
environmental whackos will bury you in litigation, and cost you more
than it would cost to build a road to every acre. And while you are
fighting them in the courts and regulatory agencies, the overhead on the
place will be costing you a cool $1.3 million per year. Only a big
timber company with lots of experience and an army of lawyers on
retainer would touch a deal like that with a ten foot pole. It is,
however, a pretty piece of property, and I appreciate your posting the
link. --MJ}***
you should buy 30,000 acres and pay it off and have 5 mil cash and the
forest at the end of the year.
LandVest : Allagash Timberlands - 30,226=B1 Acres: Detail
Address:http://www.landvest.com/property.detail.php?property_record_id=3D7=
930&pa
ge=3D1
**********************************************
If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility that you are in
my killfile. --MJ
.

User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant.	20 Apr 2007 04:09:43 PM

mirror_lake_big.jpg
Address:http://www.granitegear.com/trauma/2006/updates/images/mirror_lake_big.jpg
Changed:8:19 AM on Thursday, November 23, 2006
30,000 acres
7000 ton pulp buys it.
Thats 20,000 ton of logs off the lake bottom if you never touch the
forest.
telephone poles 1 ton each.
500 bucks each..

nice lakes ..
Spider lake jig
.

User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant.	20 Apr 2007 11:07:57 PM

Timber, Timber Products & Plank - Timber, Timber Products & Plank
buyers,Timber, Timber Products & Plank importers,Timber, Timber Products
& Plank buyer & importer
Address:http://www.trade-india.com/TradeLeads/buy/Construction_and_Real_Estate/Timber_Timber_Products_and_Plank
quote on maple from india is $ 1300 ton with or without bark.
$ 1000 ton maple log offer 20,000 ton.
4 ton logs 5000 logs..
160 acres of maples.
the big red spot on the mountain hardwood ring is 2000 aces of maples.
red ones
I could sell the maples and pay it off right now with maples. WELL as
soon as I count them ..
or you WAKE do it..
why dont you buy the forest wake ?

.

User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?="
Title: T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest.	21 Apr 2007 01:05:55 AM

Isn't it obvious, Dr. Tao ? T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest.
Besides, he's too busy imagining encounters with Abramovich.
.

User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest.	21 Apr 2007 12:28:03 PM

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_20_9_@Cotse.NET...

Isn't it obvious, Dr. Tao ? T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest.

You are damn right she wont. But she is dead so I am not sure she has much
say any more. Maybe you or Frazir can communicate with her and find out for
me?

Besides, he's too busy imagining encounters with Abramovich.

The irony in this is amazing. Frazir posts reams of drivel which he pretty
much makes up on the spot. Day in, day out, he posts things which are proven
to be totally made up. Yet, despite all this, you bend over backwards to
reinterpret what he has to say and try to justify it.
Whenever *anyone* else makes a claim (notable exceptions are WebTV using
Kooks...) you instantly ridicule them, no matter how mundane the claim, and
demand all manners of proof.
What does this say to you?
If Frazir was a close friend of Abramovich he could, easily, tell you the
name of the company I work for. No one's secrecy would be compromised, not
even mine really. The fact he hasn't, and dropped off posting /again/ after
my meeting when I challenged him, the fact he vanishes each time he
blindsides you with a fake promise and the fact his nonsense is even self
contradictory, seems to be irrelevant to you...
Why is this?
(sorry if that question is too hard for you, feel free to come up with some
witty attempt at an insult in the subject line and then ignore it all)
.

User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?="
Title: Dr. Tao's not the only one doing it.	21 Apr 2007 06:58:26 PM

If you knew what Dr. Tao ( T.J. ) does, if you had his history,
you could earn gigadollars per year, working part-time, at sea.
He's not the only one doing it. What do you think Abramovich does ?
Dr. Tao doesn't owe me a dime, T_Wake.
and, like most rich people, he doesn't feed the " pigeons ".
Abramovich should be told about the way you promote suicide.
You're a bomb ready to go off.
.

User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: Dr. Tao's not the only one doing it.	21 Apr 2007 07:20:26 PM

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_21_1_@Cotse.NET...

If you knew what Dr. Tao ( T.J. ) does, if you had his history,
you could earn gigadollars per year, working part-time, at sea.

What you mean to say here is that I too could live nicely ensconced inside
my own little fantasy world like Frazir.
Have you /ever/ stopped to wonder why you are the *only* person on this
newsgroup who believes what Frazir says? Do you ever wonder why *everyone*
else thinks he is a lying bag of *****?

He's not the only one doing it. What do you think Abramovich does ?

Well for a start, he really has money. Do *you* think Abramovich spends his
life sailing around the seas collecting driftwood for resale in some insane
version of a pyramid scheme?

Dr. Tao doesn't owe me a dime, T_Wake.

Who said he did?

and, like most rich people, he doesn't feed the " pigeons ".

Fraizr is not rich. Once you realise that you may be able to make progress
in society.

Abramovich should be told about the way you promote suicide.
You're a bomb ready to go off.

Frazir can tell him the next time they meet up, can't he...
I notice your newsreader seems to have led you to misread the post you tried
to reply to, and as predicted you skirted round all the questions and
comments. Just in case you are having difficulty reading, I have reposted it
here for you. I await your answers.
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
news:9v6dnd_EorM31LfbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@pipex.net...

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_20_9_@Cotse.NET...

Isn't it obvious, Dr. Tao ? T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest.

You are damn right she wont. But she is dead so I am not sure she has much
say any more. Maybe you or Frazir can communicate with her and find out
for
me?

Besides, he's too busy imagining encounters with Abramovich.

The irony in this is amazing. Frazir posts reams of drivel which he pretty
much makes up on the spot. Day in, day out, he posts things which are
proven
to be totally made up. Yet, despite all this, you bend over backwards to
reinterpret what he has to say and try to justify it.

Whenever *anyone* else makes a claim (notable exceptions are WebTV using
Kooks...) you instantly ridicule them, no matter how mundane the claim,
and
demand all manners of proof.

What does this say to you?

If Frazir was a close friend of Abramovich he could, easily, tell you the
name of the company I work for. No one's secrecy would be compromised, not
even mine really. The fact he hasn't, and dropped off posting /again/
after
my meeting when I challenged him, the fact he vanishes each time he
blindsides you with a fake promise and the fact his nonsense is even self
contradictory, seems to be irrelevant to you...

Why is this?

(sorry if that question is too hard for you, feel free to come up with
some
witty attempt at an insult in the subject line and then ignore it all)

User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Dr. Tao's not the only one doing it.	21 Apr 2007 10:27:41 PM

30,000 acres of forest in maine $ 13 million.
20,000 maples just on 1 hillside .
300 acres .
the paper maker didnt take maples.
They got 1 % ..left evrything else.
evry year you can take 1 % .

But You should take evry one of those maples
and make 30 million once.
it will grow back befor your kids want to cut it down.
cut pines evry year.
25000 of them evry year.
plant 26000 evry year.
5 years youd make 100 mllion.
5 years doing what your doing is a rut.
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User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Dr. Tao's not the only one doing it.	21 Apr 2007 10:56:04 PM

Google Image Result for http://www.allagashguide.com/images/Astream.jpg
Address:http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.allagashguide.com/images/Astream.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.allagashguide.com/mart.htm&start=2&h=264&w=360&sz=20&tbnid=n0IsZdeanff6SM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=121&hl=en&um=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchurchill%2Blake%2Bmaine%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DISO-8859-1
you'd own churchill lake and there's a pic of your stream .
notice the trees.
spruce and maples and oaks and wallnuts.
True not many people have the mega forest shipping bug and dont buy
forest.
BUT so what !
Some peope do .
Not many people know what to do.
I told ya what to do.
1 , price the buyer and invetory the forest.
2 ,,work on the budget ..
buy it .
with the buyers money.

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User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?="
Title: If you put 6 kilodollars in my checking account, Dr. Tao.	22 Apr 2007 05:00:01 AM

If you put 6 kilodollars in my checking account, Dr. Tao,
I'll start on this project of yours, to wit:
1. The sale of the hardwoods.
2. The purchase of 30 kiloacres in Maine using the buyer's money.
3. Harvesting, shipping it.
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User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: If you put 6 kilodollars in my checking account, Dr. Tao.	22 Apr 2007 06:27:03 AM

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_22_2_@Cotse.NET...

If you put 6 kilodollars in my checking account, Dr. Tao,

Seriously, do you think Frazir has US$6 of his own, let alone 6k?

I'll start on this project of yours, to wit:
1. The sale of the hardwoods.
2. The purchase of 30 kiloacres in Maine using the buyer's money.
3. Harvesting, shipping it.

User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: If you put 6 kilodollars in my checking account, Dr. Tao.	22 Apr 2007 07:47:42 PM

30,000 acres.
1.2 million spruce .
350,000 maples.
Show the pic of the end of the lake with 250,000 red maples in the view
to the buyer.
sell 10,000 maples for 13 mllion.
then sell 10,000 maples for 15 million.
And sell 20,000 ton pulp at $500 ton for 10 millionmore bucks.
38 million bucks year one.
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User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?="
Title: Not cool.	22 Apr 2007 08:26:37 PM

You beg me to gear-up and learn your business, Dr. Tao,
but you won't send me one thin dime... Not cool.
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User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: Not cool.	23 Apr 2007 01:11:16 PM

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_22_11_@Cotse.NET...

You beg me to gear-up and learn your business, Dr. Tao,
but you won't send me one thin dime... Not cool.

Mainly, this is because he doesn't have one spare.
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User: "Phineas T Puddleduck"
Title: Re: Not cool.	23 Apr 2007 03:39:52 PM

In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_22_11_@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff�Relf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

You beg me to gear-up and learn your business, Dr. Tao,
but you won't send me one thin dime... Not cool.

I thought money didn't interest you, Mr Retiring.
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
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User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: Not cool.	22 Apr 2007 09:33:41 PM

why would I give ya money then trade for you when you can trade your
self
add 50 cent pound to dry milk and sel 10,000 ton to irac.
thats a hot trade lead.

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User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?="
Title: It's putting your money where your mouth is, Dr. Tao.	22 Apr 2007 10:42:18 PM

You fuckin' beg me day and night to fuckin' gear-up
and learn your fuckin' business, Dr. Tao.
I gave you a deal.
I'll start as soon as you deposit 6 kilodollars in my account.
That's chicken feed, even by my standards... a few months expenses.
It's " putting your money where your mouth is ",
not " feeding the pigeons ".
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User: "tj Frazir"
Title: Re: It's Now you care about money	23 Apr 2007 06:22:51 AM

NOW you care about money ?
When jeff can sqeeze by ...in a boarding room MONEY is not worth any
effort at all. Money is just crap and jeff is a programming moron not a
dude that must work a week and bust any *****.
IF you wount stand on your own two feet and trade then stand fast and
starve .
Its too much work ,,a week hard work for a few million aint worth jeffs
fucking time.
Jeff wants ME to hire him and pay him a mil.
He dont want to do the work and thinks he can con a billionaire .
I just wish I could remove the MORON and let NEAD work a week and get
it fucking done .
Evry time REALITY hits jeff HE neads money ..
but most of the time Hes a programmer and dont care about money .
That fucking live for today fucked up ***** will have you standing
on a cliff at midnight ,,go ahead and step off you wount hit TODAY and
you dont care about tomarrow.
1 , trade ,,you got 1 week to do 1 trade ,,
2... dont trade and let the clock run out.
I WILL LET YOU DIE IN THE STREET .
You bette trade lke your lfe depends on it.
You have all the tools to trade.
WANTED 10,000 dry powder milk IRAC usa fed bid..
do that trade NO ONE will turn it down..
shop for 10,000 ton dry milk and add 50 cent pound and then email the
buyer and the trade bank.
10,000 ton dy milk $ 1 pound then profit..
add a buck and bid on it.
They will take it.
thats easy fuckin money dude.
10 mil made so fuckin easy you better buy the forest or GOT MILK ?
.

User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: It's Now you care about money	23 Apr 2007 01:12:36 PM

"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29330-462C970B-772@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net...

NOW you care about money ?

When jeff can sqeeze by ...in a boarding room MONEY is not worth any
effort at all. Money is just crap and jeff is a programming moron not a
dude that must work a week and bust any *****.

IF you wount stand on your own two feet and trade then stand fast and
starve .

Its too much work ,,a week hard work for a few million aint worth jeffs
fucking time.
Jeff wants ME to hire him and pay him a mil.
He dont want to do the work and thinks he can con a billionaire .
I just wish I could remove the MORON and let NEAD work a week and get
it fucking done .

Evry time REALITY hits jeff HE neads money ..
but most of the time Hes a programmer and dont care about money .

That fucking live for today fucked up ***** will have you standing
on a cliff at midnight ,,go ahead and step off you wount hit TODAY and
you dont care about tomarrow.

1 , trade ,,you got 1 week to do 1 trade ,,
2... dont trade and let the clock run out.

I WILL LET YOU DIE IN THE STREET .
You bette trade lke your lfe depends on it.
You have all the tools to trade.

WANTED 10,000 dry powder milk IRAC usa fed bid..
do that trade NO ONE will turn it down..
shop for 10,000 ton dry milk and add 50 cent pound and then email the
buyer and the trade bank.

10,000 ton dy milk $ 1 pound then profit..
add a buck and bid on it.
They will take it.
thats easy fuckin money dude.

10 mil made so fuckin easy you better buy the forest or GOT MILK ?

Gibberish.
Frazir, just admit you don't have a single dollar to your name.
.

User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?="
Title: You saw the deal Dr. Tao, you passed, that's it.	23 Apr 2007 07:16:38 AM

You saw the deal Dr. Tao, you passed, that's it.
Obviously, you think I'm a pigeon, a target.
6 kilobucks is nothing, even to a guy like me;
yet, for that, I was ( past tense ) willing to gear-up
and learn your system... no longer.
.

User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?="
Title: T_Wake and his fellow " kooks ".	22 Apr 2007 02:08:32 AM

That fact that you, T_Wake, and your fellow " kooks "
don't understand Dr. Tao doesn't surprise me,
you don't understand anyone here, including yourself.
.

User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: T_Wake and his fellow " kooks ".	22 Apr 2007 06:33:51 AM

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_22@Cotse.NET...

That fact that you, T_Wake, and your fellow " kooks "
don't understand Dr. Tao doesn't surprise me,
you don't understand anyone here, including yourself.

Jeff, I see you are still having reading comprehension problems. The post
you ignored (news:U8GdnaH9oKbMN7fbnZ2dnUVZ8s6gnZ2d@pipex.net) read as
follows:
If the questions are too hard for you, just say and I will try to make it
easier for you. I appreciate you have a hard time keeping up with adult
conversation.
** PREVIOUS POST **
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
news:U8GdnaH9oKbMN7fbnZ2dnUVZ8s6gnZ2d@pipex.net...

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_21_1_@Cotse.NET...

If you knew what Dr. Tao ( T.J. ) does, if you had his history,
you could earn gigadollars per year, working part-time, at sea.

What you mean to say here is that I too could live nicely ensconced inside
my own little fantasy world like Frazir.

Have you /ever/ stopped to wonder why you are the *only* person on this
newsgroup who believes what Frazir says? Do you ever wonder why *everyone*
else thinks he is a lying bag of *****?

He's not the only one doing it. What do you think Abramovich does ?

Well for a start, he really has money. Do *you* think Abramovich spends
his
life sailing around the seas collecting driftwood for resale in some
insane
version of a pyramid scheme?

Dr. Tao doesn't owe me a dime, T_Wake.

Who said he did?

and, like most rich people, he doesn't feed the " pigeons ".

Fraizr is not rich. Once you realise that you may be able to make progress
in society.

Abramovich should be told about the way you promote suicide.
You're a bomb ready to go off.

Frazir can tell him the next time they meet up, can't he...

I notice your newsreader seems to have led you to misread the post you
tried
to reply to, and as predicted you skirted round all the questions and
comments. Just in case you are having difficulty reading, I have reposted
it
here for you. I await your answers.

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
news:9v6dnd_EorM31LfbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@pipex.net...

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_20_9_@Cotse.NET...

Isn't it obvious, Dr. Tao ? T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest.

You are damn right she wont. But she is dead so I am not sure she has
much
say any more. Maybe you or Frazir can communicate with her and find out
for
me?

Besides, he's too busy imagining encounters with Abramovich.

The irony in this is amazing. Frazir posts reams of drivel which he
pretty
much makes up on the spot. Day in, day out, he posts things which are
proven
to be totally made up. Yet, despite all this, you bend over backwards to
reinterpret what he has to say and try to justify it.

Whenever *anyone* else makes a claim (notable exceptions are WebTV using
Kooks...) you instantly ridicule them, no matter how mundane the claim,
and
demand all manners of proof.

What does this say to you?

If Frazir was a close friend of Abramovich he could, easily, tell you the
name of the company I work for. No one's secrecy would be compromised,
not
even mine really. The fact he hasn't, and dropped off posting /again/
after
my meeting when I challenged him, the fact he vanishes each time he
blindsides you with a fake promise and the fact his nonsense is even self
contradictory, seems to be irrelevant to you...

Why is this?

(sorry if that question is too hard for you, feel free to come up with
some
witty attempt at an insult in the subject line and then ignore it all)

** END PREVIOUS POST**
Are you really unable to answer any of the questions?
.

User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?="
Title: T_Wake can't formulate decent questions.	22 Apr 2007 03:38:21 PM

You can't read, therefore you can't understand,
and you can't formulate decent questions, T_Wake.
If you weren't such a total stalker,
I wouldn't ever bother with your posts.
.

User: "T Wake"
Title: Re: T_Wake can't formulate decent questions.	22 Apr 2007 04:04:29 PM

"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_22_4_@Cotse.NET...

You can't read, therefore you can't understand,
and you can't formulate decent questions, T_Wake.

Seriously Jeff, if they are too hard for you just let me know what you have
a problem with and I can try to help you.

If you weren't such a total stalker,
I wouldn't ever bother with your posts.

You are aware on how poor the logic is there, aren't you? (Was that question
too hard?)
As your newsreader seems to still struggle when it comes to letting you read
posts, I have repeated the bit you seem to be avoiding: (*)
** PREVIOUS POST **
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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