Science > Physics > The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.
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"Tom Potter" |
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30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM |
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The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
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"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
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As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp/
http://tdp1001.googlepages.com/home
http://no-turtles.com
http://www.frappr.com/tompotter
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://spaces.msn.com/tdp1001
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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09 Apr 2007 02:49:06 PM |
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<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:01 am, "Peter Muehlbauer" <spamt...@frankenexpress.de>
wrote:
"John "C"" <honestj...@centurytel.net> wrote
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-48CBF9.17233409042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_9_...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffSRelf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
He talks to his lawyers about my situation and tells me what they
said.
He loves, loves, Loves huge ships, mega-trades, Wal-Mart,
the Export/Import Banks of the U.S. and Japan, etc. It just adds up.
To someone with no social skills, perhaps. To most people, he's a little
kid.
You just wish that you were human, don't ya, Deco sock-puppet?
Hey you wacko.
Can't you stop crossposting please?
Noone wants to read your crap and your personal bickering.- Hide quoted text
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You actually like Art Deco, or is it just his lips and private parts
that you like?
So Brad, it looks like you are brushing up on your gay lames now.
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen
"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen
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| User: "" |
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09 Apr 2007 06:52:51 PM |
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On Apr 9, 1:49 pm, Art Deco <e...@caballista.org> wrote:
<bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:01 am, "Peter Muehlbauer" <spamt...@frankenexpress.de>
wrote:
"John "C"" <honestj...@centurytel.net> wrote
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-48CBF9.17233409042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_9_...@Cotse.NET>,
JeffSRelf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
He talks to his lawyers about my situation and tells me what they
said.
He loves, loves, Loves huge ships, mega-trades, Wal-Mart,
the Export/Import Banks of the U.S. and Japan, etc. It just adds up.
To someone with no social skills, perhaps. To most people, he's a little
kid.
You just wish that you were human, don't ya, Deco sock-puppet?
Hey you wacko.
Can't you stop crossposting please?
Noone wants to read your crap and your personal bickering.- Hide quoted text
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You actually like Art Deco, or is it just his lips and private parts
that you like?
So Brad, it looks like you are brushing up on your gay lames now.
Cyber-terrorism is not allowed. It is crimes against humanity. You can
output all the famous dumb Google laugh of supremacy, one that
'enjoys' putting loosers to their Mercy.
Nobody should be put to another's Mercy.
Running a group that most would not be members to and using it
for discriminative labeling as fascists did to jews violates the
deepest
human rights.
You can say you have freedom of speech but history proves it
otherwise.
Criminal supremacy meets history, humanity has it's memories
of horrible crimes and confiscations.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: T.J. just adds up. |
09 Apr 2007 09:01:10 PM |
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None of you will get in the trade leads EC21 or india trade leads or any
trade leads and the import export bank pages and prove me wrong.
NONE of you can dispute my handing of any trade or my hunting ability.
In fact Im fucking brilliant and your a stupid fucks.
You use the buyers money or the banks money morons so why you all not
rich ?
You all too stupid to do 1 fucking trade ?
You might work 40 hours a week for 35 grand year but you wount 1/2 *****
off a week for 20 million =BF=BF
Whats up with that =BF
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| User: "T Wake" |
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10 Apr 2007 10:52:56 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24830-461AEFE6-519@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net...
NONE of you can dispute my handing of any trade or my hunting ability.
In fact Im fucking brilliant and your a stupid fucks.
Well, I can falsify that right now.
I dispute your handling of trades and your hunting ability and the fact your
are brilliant.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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10 Apr 2007 12:44:52 PM |
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Ill walk inn and buy the factory .
You walk in and aply for a job.
Ill find a bigger order and offer contracts on trade lead offers and
use the contract to pay for the factory .
Ill take the trade lead nd hunt for a factory not find a factory and
hunt for a order.
Ill find a bigger playwood order and walk in and buy the factory with
the contracts down payment.
Yup,,,ill sell anything befor I buy anything.
What do you fuckwads know about science ?
Buying factory when your a poor idiot sounds imposble because this
factory wont let you in the front door to aply for no job.
Buy it and they all kiss your ***** .
You buy it and never ever see it again.
Jeff could buy any tower in seattle.
Dont fear it do it.
14 billion bucks dont keep me awake.
If I was poor id not sleep very well.
Ill make 100 million bucks ,,have lunch and take a nap. Get up and go
***** all afternoon.
it takes me an hour to buy 100,000 tons.
I takes me an hour to sell 100,000 tons.
I make 50 million bucks an hour.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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10 Apr 2007 12:59:10 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24334-461BCD14-671@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net...
Ill walk inn and buy the factory .
But you dont, this is the thing. You have no money. You have an excellent
fantasy life, I'll admit, but the cold hard reality must be upsetting for
you.
You walk in and aply for a job.
Ill find a bigger order and offer contracts on trade lead offers and
use the contract to pay for the factory .
Ill take the trade lead nd hunt for a factory not find a factory and
hunt for a order.
Ill find a bigger playwood order and walk in and buy the factory with
the contracts down payment.
Yup,,,ill sell anything befor I buy anything.
What do you fuckwads know about science ?
More than you _ever_ will. Even Jeff knows more science than you do.
Buying factory when your a poor idiot sounds imposble because this
factory wont let you in the front door to aply for no job.
Buy it and they all kiss your ***** .
You buy it and never ever see it again.
Jeff could buy any tower in seattle.
Dont fear it do it.
14 billion bucks dont keep me awake.
If I was poor id not sleep very well.
Ill make 100 million bucks ,,have lunch and take a nap. Get up and go
***** all afternoon.
it takes me an hour to buy 100,000 tons.
I takes me an hour to sell 100,000 tons.
I make 50 million bucks an hour.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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10 Apr 2007 12:33:04 PM |
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wake disputes
1.. trade leads ?
2 .. the market prices ?
# 3 ,,selling befor I buy ?
4 , looking up buyers ,,checking thier offers ,,and hunting down a
seller where the price lets you make 50 cents pound ??
5 , using the trade bank money ??
What part could you dispute ?
not 1 bit of it.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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10 Apr 2007 12:55:44 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24334-461BCA50-661@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net...
wake disputes
1.. trade leads ?
2 .. the market prices ?
# 3 ,,selling befor I buy ?
4 , looking up buyers ,,checking thier offers ,,and hunting down a
seller where the price lets you make 50 cents pound ??
5 , using the trade bank money ??
What part could you dispute ?
not 1 bit of it.
All of it. You are talking crap, as usual.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: God bless T.J. |
10 Apr 2007 09:44:01 PM |
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Hi T_Wake and T.J., " Only T_Wake is smart ! ", says T_Wake.
T_Wake is 10 times the kook that he imagines everyone else to be.
You'd take out a loan to buy a house... Right, T_Wake ?
Why wouldn't you do the same to buy a 200 kiloton ship ?
Why wouldn't you buy where it's cheap and sell to big, Big business ?
T.J. says it's easy, and it is... for him.
If T.J. can reduce the price of fresh tomatoes from
U.S.D. 3.99 per one pound container to 65 cents...
while, at the same time, reversing the flow of illegal immagrants...
God bless him.
T.J. builds hydroelectric damns, superfarms, ports and railroads...
while I scratch my balls... Who's the better man ?
But I'm not T.J., I don't have his history.
T.J. owns the forests, grows the trees, makes the pulp,
matches buyers and sellers and ships the paper.
Me ? I'm lucky if I can help a professor produce printouts.
I love being poor, I can't be too poor.
If I got evicted I could move in with family in the area or in Utah,
but I'd rather live on the streets.
Programming computers and the internet are my drugs,
they are the things that are killing me the fastest.
30 hour days are nothing for programmers like me.
If I was homeless, I'd be doing less of that... I'd be healthier !
I'm totally sober, always have been, so that's not an issue.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: God bless T.J. |
12 Apr 2007 01:58:34 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_16_@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake and T.J., " Only T_Wake is smart ! ", says T_Wake.
Really? When I have said that? A link to the post with it in would be great.
Thanks.
T_Wake is 10 times the kook that he imagines everyone else to be.
I am sure I am. As I dont imagine everyone else to be a kook, it must also
mean I am not a kook. Ten times zero is still zero. Even you can work that
out.
You'd take out a loan to buy a house... Right, T_Wake ?
I wouldn't. Why?
Why wouldn't you do the same to buy a 200 kiloton ship ?
If I wanted the ship and could afford the payments I may.
You might want to re-read the post you are replying to.
Why wouldn't you buy where it's cheap and sell to big, Big business ?
T.J. says it's easy, and it is... for him.
It isn't. TJ has never done it.
If T.J. can reduce the price of fresh tomatoes from
U.S.D. 3.99 per one pound container to 65 cents...
while, at the same time, reversing the flow of illegal immagrants...
God bless him.
*If* he could. He can't.
T.J. builds hydroelectric damns, superfarms, ports and railroads...
No he doesn't.
while I scratch my balls... Who's the better man ?
At least your claim is believable. Although I am not convinced you have
balls.
But I'm not T.J., I don't have his history.
It is easy to get TJs history. Just make it all up.
T.J. owns the forests, grows the trees, makes the pulp,
matches buyers and sellers and ships the paper.
Oh no he doesnt.
Me ? I'm lucky if I can help a professor produce printouts.
I love being poor, I can't be too poor.
If I got evicted I could move in with family in the area or in Utah,
but I'd rather live on the streets.
Programming computers and the internet are my drugs,
they are the things that are killing me the fastest.
30 hour days are nothing for programmers like me.
If I was homeless, I'd be doing less of that... I'd be healthier !
I'm totally sober, always have been, so that's not an issue.
Maybe you should make yourself homeless...
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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12 Apr 2007 03:19:58 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, People like us... you, T.J. and me...
We can't be too modest, too poor or too thin.
" Why don't you go homeless now ? ", you asked me,
for the same reason I'm overweight... I love money too much.
I love computers too much. I wanna program till I puke.
Can you spend your life in the remote regions of the world,
buying where it's cheapest and selling where it's highest ?
Probably not... but not everyone's a 'tard like you.
Can you buy huge ship loads of fresh tomatoes from remote Mexico,
paying 10 cents a pound, and ship them to big, Big business in America,
where people like me have to pay 3.99 a pound ?
Probably not... but not everyone's a 'tard like you.
Can you build ships, engines, dams, railroads, superfarms,
oil wells, etc. ? Why even ask ?
you're convinced that everyone's 'tard like you.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 03:54:25 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_12_2_@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake, People like us... you, T.J. and me...
We can't be too modest, too poor or too thin.
Well, this is an interesting insight into your tortured world.
You have defined your own set of critera for "success" and set it in such a
manner you can never acheive it.
I (almost) feel sorry for you.
" Why don't you go homeless now ? ", you asked me,
for the same reason I'm overweight... I love money too much.
I love computers too much. I wanna program till I puke.
Can you spend your life in the remote regions of the world,
buying where it's cheapest and selling where it's highest ?
Probably not... but not everyone's a 'tard like you.
Can you buy huge ship loads of fresh tomatoes from remote Mexico,
paying 10 cents a pound, and ship them to big, Big business in America,
where people like me have to pay 3.99 a pound ?
Probably not... but not everyone's a 'tard like you.
Can you build ships, engines, dams, railroads, superfarms,
oil wells, etc. ? Why even ask ?
you're convinced that everyone's 'tard like you.
I don't know what I find more amusing. Your childish attempts at insults,
your stupidity or the blind gullibility which makes you lap up everything
Frazir says.
Maybe it is all three.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: God bless T.J. |
10 Apr 2007 10:31:33 PM |
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Dont take a house loan.
Thats 30 years of stupid.
Take a trade loan ,,sell befor you buy and know how much youll make befo
you trade and do it with the banks money .
they got 187 billion waiting on anyone includes you.
Import tomatoes not spicks.
5 cent pound labor garentee fair trade .
Thats more money the the cal farm pays .
mexico can outproduce cal .
5 % usa price tomattes coffee jeens shirts shoes beef
sell mexico woodchips .
170 buck ton woodchip drift wood for insulation.
celulouse from beached wood.
mexico neads 100,000 ton loads .
ocopucco is better then seattle .
8 % live cost 12 % biulding cost 5 % factory price.
You cant barrow 80 % of jeens ,,from any bank but you can get 10 % maybe
15 % loan against inventory so you cant barrow an inventory made in usa
but you can barrow 10 % of shelf price in usa and buy inventory in
mexico brazil trinidad..
latina group cafta nafta pactra
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| User: "Art Deco" |
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| Title: Re: God bless T.J. |
11 Apr 2007 11:18:27 AM |
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JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi T_Wake and T.J., " Only T_Wake is smart ! ", says T_Wake.
T_Wake is 10 times the kook that he imagines everyone else to be.
So Jeff, when will you learn to quote and attribute a post correctly?
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen
"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Art_Deco will never quote properly, much less paraphrase. |
11 Apr 2007 02:51:25 PM |
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Hi Art_Deco, You asked yourself,
" When will you learn to quote and attribute a post correctly ? ".
The smart money says " never ".
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 02:05:15 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_11_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Art_Deco, You asked me,
" When will you learn to quote and attribute a post correctly ? ".
The smart money says " never ".
I corrected your typo.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: Art_Deco will never quote properly, much less paraphrase. |
11 Apr 2007 03:02:58 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_11_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Art_Deco, You asked yourself,
" When will you learn to quote and attribute a post correctly ? ".
The smart money says " never ".
You left your projector running.
--
Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "John \C" |
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| Title: Mike Varney a.k.a. PuddleDrip is Gay |
11 Apr 2007 05:22:13 PM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-0B706A.21025811042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_11_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffSRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Art_Deco, You asked yourself,
" When will you learn to quote and attribute a post correctly ? ".
The smart money says " never ".
You left your projector running.
Lick Deco's ***** Varney, I command it!!!
HJ
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Art_Deco will never quote properly, much less paraphrase. |
11 Apr 2007 06:01:03 PM |
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alaska drift wood.
The farther north the older the logs.
BIG logs freeze and are the lest thing to thaw and will be spit open but
be real nice saw log.
Logs from topical hardwoods hit the belt end and blow to the alaskan
basin.
They last 1000 years .
piles in landtraps allong the shore can be 1 million tons of hardwoods
that hit the beach 1000 times befor they got to a trap.
The hardwoods push the soft under and the lower logs raze the pile and
it will sit there 1000 years.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: T.J., send me the papers and I'll sign them. |
10 Apr 2007 02:34:23 AM |
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Hi T.J., You asked,
" You might work 40 hours a week for 35 grand year
but you wount 1/2 ***** a week for 20 million ¿¿
Whats up with that ¿ ".
I prefer my job and the money doesn't interest me.
All the same, I'll let you do a trade using my name.
Just send me the papers and I'll sign them.
Financially, you can't ***** me over any more than I already am.
If I wind up in jail... oh well... the jokes on me.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: T.J., send me the papers and I'll sign them. |
10 Apr 2007 10:54:00 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10@Cotse.NET...
Hi T.J., You asked,
" You might work 40 hours a week for 35 grand year
but you wount 1/2 ***** a week for 20 million ¿¿
Whats up with that ¿ ".
I prefer my job and the money doesn't interest me.
All the same, I'll let you do a trade using my name.
Just send me the papers and I'll sign them.
Betcha anything that Frazir will never send you anything. Not even an email.
Financially, you can't ***** me over any more than I already am.
If I wind up in jail... oh well... the jokes on me.
Oh, how I wish this would end up being the case.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: T.J., send me the papers and I'll sign them. |
10 Apr 2007 01:16:29 PM |
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4000 ton load a month .
1000 ton is iga .
check tomattoes offer to buy trade leads and see how quick you can sell
4000 ton hand picked pand packed fresh uncooked shelf ready
Ex-Im Bank :: Contact Us
Address:http://www.exim.gov/contact/contactus.cfm
This entire thing is to get you to make the money ..not me hand you 3
million.
You make 3 millin on your own .
Then you earned it and no one can talk bad about you ..you will in fact
be as good or better then evyone else.
Its just worth more to your self that way.
You can do if you try .
its shure not hard ,,its fucking easy.
its the real world dude .
pick finance
Ex-Im Bank :: Contact Us
Address:http://www.exim.gov/contact/contactus.cfm
read all the bank said about all the subjects.
Find out just how much a poor fucker that wants to trade can get !!
They will help you ,,with evrything.
If the math fits they will do it.
They will back evry 50 cents you can dig up and even 25 cents.
just make the money.
find a buyer then find a seller then sell it befor you buy it.
or your all just stupid fucks .
3 million bucks I dont call you a stupid ***** no more.
IFyou dont have the balls to get 3 million bucks then your a worthless
dumbfuck.
1 % is the top and 3 millin bucks is the bottom of the top but will make
you the top 1 % .
kill a week and make 10 million bucks and Ill let anyone of you stupid
fucks on my boat.
my boats 1/2 billion bucks .
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: T.J., send me the papers and I'll sign them. |
10 Apr 2007 01:03:28 PM |
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Dr bank ..
jeff wants to import tomattoes in cans ..fresh tomattoes ripe uncooked
from mexco in plastic cans.
5 cent pound tomattoe 5 cent 1 pound can and hand pic hand can.
all the mexicans will run back to mexico..
jeff will stock evry store in usa..
but will start with just 4000 tons.
Jeff can contact buyers and have them all sold and just neads the banks
suport .
Jeff can put up samples and quote all the prices the canner too.
with a weeks worth of planning jeff can USE THE SYSTEM ..and make 10
million bucks a month and kids will eat tomattoes for 65 cents..
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| User: "T Wake" |
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10 Apr 2007 05:53:05 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24334-461BD170-684@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net...
Dr bank ..
Who is Doctor Bank?
jeff wants to import tomattoes in cans ..fresh tomattoes ripe uncooked
from mexco in plastic cans.
5 cent pound tomattoe 5 cent 1 pound can and hand pic hand can.
all the mexicans will run back to mexico..
jeff will stock evry store in usa..
but will start with just 4000 tons.
Jeff can contact buyers and have them all sold and just neads the banks
suport .
Jeff can put up samples and quote all the prices the canner too.
with a weeks worth of planning jeff can USE THE SYSTEM ..and make 10
million bucks a month and kids will eat tomattoes for 65 cents..
Betcha this doesn't work.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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10 Apr 2007 12:51:44 PM |
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Trade finance and insurance.
Ex-Im Bank :: Contact Us
Address:http://www.exim.gov/contact/contactus.cfm
ask ask ask.
click evry page and read evry word.
dont be a poor stupid fucker...
be a rich stupid fucker.
$ 50,000,000 is easyer then $ 35,000 year.
5 million is easyer then a car loan.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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13 Apr 2007 02:17:12 AM |
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Hi T.J., You told me something like, " making 50 megadollars a year
is easier than making .05 megadollars per year. ".
For you, yeah... but not for me.
Just having the money would be major headache.
It'd be renting space in my already crowded head.
Nothing sets you free like poverty.
Making _ Less _ money is my objective.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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13 Apr 2007 07:29:14 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_13@Cotse.NET...
Hi T.J., You told me something like, " making 50 megadollars a year
is easier than making .05 megadollars per year. ".
For you, yeah... but not for me.
Just having the money would be major headache.
It'd be renting space in my already crowded head.
Nothing sets you free like poverty.
Making _ Less _ money is my objective.
You are doing well then.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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13 Apr 2007 06:40:03 AM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_13@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi T.J., You told me something like, " making 50 megadollars a year
is easier than making .05 megadollars per year. ".
For you, yeah... but not for me.
Just having the money would be major headache.
It'd be renting space in my already crowded head.
Nothing sets you free like poverty.
Making _ Less _ money is my objective.
Then make yourself homeless and stop working, start practising your
panhandling.
Or if you want to make EVEN LESS money, set yourself up as a physics
teacher.
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Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: It's harder to lose weight than it is to earn less money. |
13 Apr 2007 07:22:33 AM |
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Hi Puddleduck,
It's harder to lose weight than it is to earn less money.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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13 Apr 2007 07:39:12 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_13_5_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Puddleduck,
It's harder to lose weight than it is to earn less money.
It is easier to lose weight than it is to grow a third ear.
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