Science > Physics > The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.
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"Tom Potter" |
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30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM |
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The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
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"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
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As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp/
http://tdp1001.googlepages.com/home
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http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
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14 May 2007 11:42:21 PM |
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in fact some times I pull an extra hole behind my cart.
the 19th hole .
the shortest recorded drive of the day .
with a 6 inch hole and a 3 inch that sits in it.
take the 3 out and its a 6.
that way I can bet my 3 for a 6.
80 yards best 2 swings 1 drive 1 putt.
hole in 1 takes evrybodys cash .
what ever is left after 2000 a hole ..I put on the 19th .
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: " Liquid Natural Gas " Tankers/Terminals. |
15 May 2007 06:48:02 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11332-46493A2D-136@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
in fact some times I pull an extra hole behind my cart.
the 19th hole .
the shortest recorded drive of the day .
with a 6 inch hole and a 3 inch that sits in it.
Why do we want to know about your sex life?
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: " Liquid Natural Gas " Tankers/Terminals. |
14 May 2007 11:33:25 PM |
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they are practicing on the track .
thats as fun as the race.
watched all day ..
I know who will winn .
prince al allways winns..
Ill bet on who ever the prince bets on .
I bet on 10 fucking cars ..he he .
depends who Im arguing with.
sorry sir richard ,,bet against his 2 cars.
hehe and I bet deep inside version will winn too !! I dont bet on cars
to winn anything but convesation at the gulf club.
$ 2000 bucks a hole wana play ?
I keep 50,000 on the cart .
I suck at gulf golf ..but the rich fuckers I play against suck too.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: " Liquid Natural Gas " Tankers/Terminals. |
15 May 2007 12:15:21 AM |
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i gave 100 mil to poor kids ,,
and 200 mil to indoneasia today.
oh forget who I am when I say that .
thats why you gota trade .
evrytime I feal like giving you turd nerds money I remeber how lucky and
lazzy you are and all you nead to do is trade ..
its cad to mention how much or who to ,,,
but ask your self if I should hand it to you or you should trade and
make it .
I dont send cash I bought milk cheese dry eggs
chicken ,,cows pigs and feeds.
I dint send thialand cash ,,I sent 1000 fishing boats equiped 50 mil ..
they fed 10 million
If I gave evryone 10 mil Id not be the giant I am and who would stand
tall when they nead it ?
if you did dry milk,,,because you are american power ,,,you'll be rich
and millions of kids will have milk cheese and eat better.
gods and wars aside ..
you make 10 mil you have 7 clear...
7 million bucks clear ..
be 10 feet tall and give 4 mil away .
stack 10,000 buck homes for seattles homeless.
You have the power ..
***** that I dont sell I dont trade *****.
you could help more then your self.
all 300 of us billionaires could just stop trading ,,***** we dont nead
the money...
we dont work we trade big.
we dont nead the money..
if we all 300 stop ..this planet would grind to a suden halt.
nothing would move .
Your lights would go out.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Frazir's addictions. |
15 May 2007 05:00:44 AM |
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You don't hand out cash to anyone, it seems, Mr. Fredriksen;
you just hand out ships ( including whatever's in the hold )
and you tell us to borrow money to buy the same.
You have 70 gigadollars in hard assets, no liabilities,
14 gigadollars in " cash " and a net annual income of 2 gigadollars.
I have no assets and a one megadollar life-time lien,
not counting the lawyer's fees and the taxes it'd take to pay it off.
If I'm lucky, I'll get 500 dollars at the end of this month;
430 of which would immediately go to my landlord,
so he can breathe down my neck some more.
If I'm not lucky, I'll be " urban camping " under some bridge
with James looking to exact revenge on me
( because I got fed up with the way he was abusing me ).
But, on the bright side, at least I don't have your addictions;
e.g. gambling, pot, hookers, rock stars, mansions, servents, etc.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Frazir's addiction money money more money |
15 May 2007 01:49:08 PM |
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You have 180 billion to trade with.
You might be the best trained trader on earth.
The best trader on earth only tought a few .
Your contract to buyer is the buyers money evry time .
contact the fucking finance page and ask them and post evrything THEY
say.
The Bank The bank ...all you do is wild speculate dilusional ***** to
excuse your self .
Your not excused YOUR an able trader .
You know fucking well what to do.
I dont care what you dont have.
Your on line ..you can access evrything .
All you nead to do is use it just once .
you dont even nead to trade the first time ..
or the second time you ask all the questions and add up the quotes and
see how much oney there is for you.
When you do the budget and there is enouph mney for you ,,you alleady
ask the bank all the questions and will know just whereto email your
quotes budget and do it.
or fucking be a homeless dumbass I wount feed.
YOU SELL CODING CHEEP >>>
that makes you a CHEEP SALESMAN.
Your a peddler peddeling cheep stuff on the street .
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IF you had a car to rid your self of ..
you might post it in the paper with all the cars for sale ..
selling a car once dont make you a used car salesman .
I dont except " im not a trader " Not a salesman " from anyone.
Yo think the fucking world dont nead these trades ??
10 million pounds of milk is 1 day in NYNY.
4 days in HK.
20 million pounds ndm is not allot.
shure its $10 million 50 cent pound .
10,000 ton ndm.
Shure thats $7 mil clear after tax and evrything.
shure you could do it 5 times at once.
no one else can.
You fuckers are the only ones that can see boath market pages in free
usa.
none of the dubia saudi iraq egypt ,,,,can even see the fucking sellers
pages.
and then most of the usa uk traders dont know how to hunt .
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Bill Gates must be a lot like John Fredriksen, the poor f_cker. |
15 May 2007 05:39:43 PM |
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I had a nice car once, gave it away after I moved back to Seattle.
Why ? Because I didn't want the hassle of selling it.
Peope leave me 1 ounce silver coins sometimes... I give them away too.
You, Giant John, told me: " YOU SELL CODING CHEAP >>>
that makes you a CHEEP SALESMAN.
You're a peddler, peddeling cheap stuff on the street . ".
I've held the same job for 14 years running now,
I don't advertize. I'd go homelss before I'd advertize.
I could move my ***** to Ohio ( at my expense ),
pay you 100 dollars a month and get use of yer
8 bedroom, 2 living-room mansion, with an ultralight/airport,
water toys/dock, and celebrities coming and going.
I could order what I want, free from the bar.
Free cable, HDTV with premium channels, --> But no PC <-- .
It doesn't interest me... and Ohio is too flat and too sunny.
Money, fame, drugs, whores, etc. have absolutely no allure to me.
Bill Gates must be a lot like you, the poor fucker.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates must be a lot like John Fredriksen, the poor f_cker. |
16 May 2007 04:22:08 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_15_7_@Cotse.NET...
Bill Gates must be a lot like you, the poor fucker.
LOL.
How many misconceptions can you roll into one sentence?
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| User: "John Bailo" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates must be a lot like John Fredriksen, the poor f_cker. |
15 May 2007 09:03:25 PM |
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Jeff…Relf wrote:
Money, fame, drugs, whores, etc. have absolutely no allure to me.
The feeling must be mutual.
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| User: "flyer" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates must be a lot like John Fredriksen, the poor f_cker. |
16 May 2007 03:34:10 AM |
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In article <YamdnTHNbv4B-9fbnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,=20
jabailo@texeme.com says...
Jeff?Relf wrote:
=20
Money, fame, drugs, whores, etc. have absolutely no allure to me.
=20
The feeling must be mutual.
John,
Good grief. Do you have any idea what he said?? I just this minute=20
enrolled in an abstract philosophy class to try to figure it out.
Maybe the culture migrated to Mars overnight and I didn't notice.
Gotta love usenet.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Bill Gates is a money addict, he needs treatment. |
16 May 2007 04:09:28 AM |
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Too much money is like too much food/drugs,
Mr. Flyer ( and Bailo, Fredriksen ).
Bill Gates is a money addict, he needs treatment.
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| User: "flyer" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates is a money addict, he needs treatment. |
16 May 2007 09:09:11 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_May_16_1_@Cotse.NET>,
says...
Too much money is like too much food/drugs,
Mr. Flyer ( and Bailo, Fredriksen ).
Bill Gates is a money addict, he needs treatment.
Well you are spot-on correct on that.
Money, power, and now his investments in 7-8 Big Pharma monstrocities
which will only help to drug the populations of Earth closer to oblivion
as warned about in "Brave New World".
Attempts to control people are historical, with one of the latest being
Big Pharma. And the ***** Bill is now helping to finance it.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates is a money addict, he needs treatment. |
16 May 2007 09:38:11 PM |
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Money dont bother me.
Just because Im good at it you think its wrong .
Gates is one of the sainest people I know.
for a geek ,,an old pot smokin geek ..once in a wile smoker .
bil has no addictions othr then the game board.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates is a money addict, he needs treatment. |
17 May 2007 12:00:57 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Money dont bother me.
You just wish you had some.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Greed is bad. I'm judgment proof... By design ! |
17 May 2007 03:40:22 AM |
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I might be wrong, but I think you can take the money thing too far.
I'm sure you ( John Fredriksen ) don't like the lawyers,
the legislators, the fuckin' burden of caring for so many employees.
Greed is bad. I'm judgment proof... By design !
I don't " feed the pigeons "... Not one bit.
I was programming hand-helds when I was 16, not buying ships.
What makes you think I want to start buying ships now, at age 47 ?
And why do it once ? I'd just ***** up a lot worse than you can imagine.
If you'd like to do me a favor, give me free moorage in Seattle,
on Fearless Johnny... maybe the other idiots here could enjoy it too.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Greed is bad. I'm judgment proof... By design ! |
17 May 2007 12:01:44 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_17_2_@Cotse.NET...
I might be wrong, but I think you can take the money thing too far.
I'm sure you ( John Fredriksen ) don't like the lawyers,
Have you ever seen John Fredriksen? Is he eight feet tall? Is he half
"Rushan" half red indian?
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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| Title: Re: Greed is bad. I'm judgment proof... By design ! |
18 May 2007 02:54:08 PM |
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On May 17, 1:01 pm, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_17_2_@Cotse.NET...
I might be wrong, but I think you can take the money thing too far.
I'm sure you ( John Fredriksen ) don't like the lawyers,
Have you ever seen John Fredriksen? Is he eight feet tall? Is he half
"Rushan" half red indian?
Did John Fredriksen post stuff like this in 2000?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.physics/msg/8b35ee96a6e76157
"Gods active force dose hold mater together.
Every atom of iron your brain has recorded all you know on will be on
earth till mater ends and our life in heaven begins. You are your own
winess. Jesus gave you his iron in his blood containing all he is. Dna
make copies and stores iron . Jesus is with you on that atom of iron
so
your not ever allone. And the two of you are sorounded by gods active
force .
Now I have just planted the seed of salvation in your soul. I have
impacted your destany.
Over the last 35 years I have changed your entire planet.....with a
few
seeds.....your free will......and time ......you may find the truth."
Before the billionaire persona we had this sort of religious
persona.
Do we think these bio tidbits match Fredriksen's?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/0b0eaaffe28926f3
"My dad died at sea and
he left me in alaska with nothing by my self.
A 15 foot sun fish sail boat and a shack so far into the mountains
we
dont know if Im alskan or canadian ... Im too much an outsider to
have anyone to
lean on so I busted my ***** in the navy . I saved evry dime ( 12
grand )
rebuilt a scrap ship and went to the beach and saw logs till it was
loaded.
( 1978 I had a load worth 200 grand. )
( 1979 I had a newer ship and a load worth 500 grand ) ( 1980 I had
my
first million ) "
- Randy
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| User: "Bill Snyder" |
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| Title: Re: Greed is bad. I'm judgment proof... By design ! |
17 May 2007 03:53:21 AM |
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On 17 May 2007 08:40:22 GMT, Jeff…Relf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
I might be wrong, but I think you can take the money thing too far.
I'm sure you ( John Fredriksen ) don't like the lawyers,
the legislators, the fuckin' burden of caring for so many employees.
Greed is bad. I'm judgment proof... By design !
I don't " feed the pigeons "... Not one bit.
Yeah, right, sleazeoid. Greed is bad, and you love being bad. That's
why you stiffed your own children.
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Greed is eating ? |
17 May 2007 10:50:12 AM |
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1 trade wount be greed.
1 trade is a better life for allot of people .
***** no I wount hand you nothing .
You have a brain so use it and trade ,,pick your own trade out and do
it.
Your excuses are worn out.
You can bad mouth me all you want Ill never hand money over to prove
anything.
You can have fearless ,,just do 1 trade and its yours for 10 % its
cost.
1 more fucking day of not reading the finance page at the bank and your
done.
1 more day of your insane lazzy " I cant im a coward " and you can
joint the worthless stupid fucks on skid row.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: My ex was never a welfare queen. |
17 May 2007 04:11:17 AM |
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As I've said many times, Bill_Snyder,
my ex divorced me to marry a guy who'd give her more kids.
From what I hear, my kids are doing hella good.
My mom, who I visited last Sunday, is in contact with them.
My ex is still married to that guy, living in a very nice house,
in a very nice part of town... she was never a welfare queen.
This is my estranged ex, Janeen, at the Moab MUni Fest, summer 2001,
" www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Janeen.JPG ".
This is my estranged daughter, Jenny, at her wedding, Mid 2003,
" www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Jenny.JPG ".
This is my estranged son, Jeff, at the Moab MUni Fest, summer 2001,
" www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/JR.JPG ".
..+.+.+
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Frazir's addictions. |
15 May 2007 06:47:23 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_15_1_@Cotse.NET...
You don't hand out cash to anyone, it seems, Mr. Fredriksen;
you just hand out ships ( including whatever's in the hold )
and you tell us to borrow money to buy the same.
You have 70 gigadollars in hard assets, no liabilities,
14 gigadollars in " cash " and a net annual income of 2 gigadollars.
I have no assets and a one megadollar life-time lien,
not counting the lawyer's fees and the taxes it'd take to pay it off.
If I'm lucky, I'll get 500 dollars at the end of this month;
430 of which would immediately go to my landlord,
so he can breathe down my neck some more.
If I'm not lucky, I'll be " urban camping " under some bridge
with James looking to exact revenge on me
( because I got fed up with the way he was abusing me ).
I have my fingers crossed.
But, on the bright side, at least I don't have your addictions;
e.g. gambling, pot, hookers, rock stars, mansions, servents, etc.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: 98 percent of the world's shipping capacity is tied up. |
13 May 2007 11:24:45 PM |
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No one's interested in your offer, John, it's just that simple.
98 percent of the world's shipping capacity is tied up,
so why do you endlessly _ Beg _ us to exacerbate that ?
I don't know about you, but I think filtered " cigarettes "
are way better than pipes or unfiltered.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: 18 percent of the world's shipping capacity is tied up. |
14 May 2007 10:26:32 AM |
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Too many ships for sale to say that.
Too many ships open charter to say that.
Now your saying you cant trade because there's no ships !
do 500 ton in containers..its a small ***** trade any coward should be
able to do and sell to saudi or dubia .
sell dubia 2000 ton offer.
HK wants 7000 ton...get the sellers quote at $2000 then ask buyer HK for
$ 3000 ton .
Youd have been done 100 times .
Youd just pay cash for anything you want.
starting a edu line sounds like work..
Im done workin..Ive about 14 billion and dont work. I just trade deal
once a year if I feal like it. 70 tankers
is no bank loan ,,,its trade on trade .
I dont care what you are or what you do..
you'll nead some money to suport it.
No free ride over the gap ,,you walk over like evryone else.
Tucker's Gulf Club only excepts the ones that will not the ones that
dont think they can.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: 18 percent of the world's shipping capacity is tied up. |
14 May 2007 11:12:09 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24263-46487FA8-1102@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net...
Too many ships for sale to say that.
You are full of ships.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: If there was a green tooth club in Seattle, I'd be a member. |
15 May 2007 10:54:37 PM |
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What would I be doing in Tucker's Town, with my green teeth ?
If there was a green tooth club in Seattle, I'd be a member.
We'd meet under the bridge, of course, like good little trolls.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: If there was a green tooth club in Seattle, I'd be a member. |
16 May 2007 04:21:11 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_15_9_@Cotse.NET...
What would I be doing in Tucker's Town, with my green teeth ?
Who knows. Who, other than trained mental health professionals, know what
you are doing anywhere?
If there was a green tooth club in Seattle, I'd be a member.
Founding member.
We'd meet under the bridge, of course, like good little trolls.
Is this more of your dating fantasies?
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: " Liquid Natural Gas " Tankers/Terminals. |
13 May 2007 04:23:46 PM |
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Significant World Business Leaders Using or Based in Bermuda
Address:http://bermuda-online.org/intexecs.htm Changed:4:44 AM on
Wednesday, May 9, 2007
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: John Fredriksen: Norwegian multi-millionaire shipping magnate. |
13 May 2007 10:37:43 PM |
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Quoting " http://bermuda-online.org/intexecs.htm ":
" John Fredriksen: Norwegian multi-millionaire shipping magnate ".
Ha ! a multi-millionaire !
It also says " Bill Gates: The Microsoft founder and CEO,
one of the richest men in the world, is believed to have
many Bermuda financial and other connections. ".
I wonder what Bill Gates is actually worth.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: John Fredriksen: Norwegian multi-millionaire shipping magnate. |
14 May 2007 10:00:02 AM |
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it was M when we got the house .
#104 John Fredriksen - Forbes.com
Address:http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/10/07billionaires_John-Fredriksen_5E12.html
they said i blew 4 bil and have 7.
its still alfoat and its 14 .
( pic of $ 250,000 2000 ton ship )
forbs would say its worth $ 250 G and I say its worth 21 million
..forbs cant see the 2000 ton nickle in the hold.
Its looks like I blew 250 grand on the junk and just blew 400 grand on
nothing but equipment junk and its $ 250,000 to forbs with 400 gone.
" he spent it " 4 billion has 7 ""
traded open with 4 billion used 2500 small junkers. dont scrap anything
that floats ,,dnt care if it runs .
just load te fucker up and when the price is right unload it ,,take
that money and reload it and park the fucker untill the price is right..
i sit on my ***** once a year and load evything .
forbs dont conect me with any cash investments not selling stocks.
I buy forest and sell logs forbs cant count.
is it 1 billion or 14 ?? who gives a *****..
spending a billion is too much work.
Its easyer to make 1 bil then just go blow 1 bil.
its easy to invest 1 bil but hard to go out and spend 1 bil.
It will take you 10 days to make that 10 mil ndm.
It will take te rest of your life to spend it ?
the house you get for 3 mil will be 30 mil when your dead and the kids
get it.
You cant spend 10 mil and and leave nothing.
You cant make 10 mil just 1 time ..
in 5 year or 10 you'lll do it again.
you might want to give evry grand kid 5 mil.
you people are even afraid of the info !!
why ??
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: I compete with myself, to reach _ My _ goals. |
14 May 2007 06:47:18 PM |
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You, John Fredriksen, got rich ( a billionaire at age 28, in 1972 )
because you sell *****, e.g. your ships-*****-warehouses.
***** ! You were selling ships at the tender age of 16.
You can't get rich if you don't sell *****, I know that.
My dad ( in his day ), some of my brothers and a sister sell *****.
This is my sister's website: " http://EverGreenBis.COM ".
By the way... Norway's " Troll A Platform " ( for L.N.G. production )
is " the tallest structure ever moved by mankind ".
( At 4 megabytes, this first picture takes awhile to download ):
www.StatOil.COM/STATOILCOM/SVG00990.NSF/Attachments/Troll/$FILE/TrollA1995.jpg
www.StatOil.COM/STATOILCOM/SVG00990.NSF/Attachments/Troll/$FILE/Troll_illustrasjon.jpg
http://WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Statoil
You wrote: " You people are even afraid of the info ! ! why ? ? ".
I can't speak for the other nerds here, but I can say:
" I love coding in VC++ 8.0, that's my thing, my niche;
not sales, not ships-*****-warehouses. ".
My brother Pete,
" www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Dad_Mom_BrotherPete_1976.JPG ",
sells archival software ( www.EMC.COM ), he's influenced
the software industry millions of times more than I have,
....B.F.D., I don't care.
Pete never coded one line, not directly,
that's not the life for me... Pois Ă©.
I compete with myself, to reach _ My _ goals.
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