Science > Physics > The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.
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"Tom Potter" |
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30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM |
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The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
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"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
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As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
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15 May 2007 06:48:50 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_14_3_@Cotse.NET...
You, John Fredriksen, got rich ( a billionaire at age 28, in 1972 )
Does this tally with his, ahem, military service?
because you sell *****, e.g. your ships-*****-warehouses.
***** ! You were selling ships at the tender age of 16.
Who to?
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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15 May 2007 07:25:43 AM |
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On May 15, 7:48 am, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_14_3_@Cotse.NET...
You, John Fredriksen, got rich ( a billionaire at age 28, in 1972 )
Does this tally with his, ahem, military service?
I missed something. Is this who TJ is now claiming to be?
Is John Fredriksen 8-feet tall, inventor of clear steel,
a "Rushan Indian", etc?
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/business/article1120938.ece
Shall we check other things TJ has claimed to own or do
against Fredriksen's bio?
- Randy
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 May 2007 11:59:42 AM |
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"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179231943.072602.39570@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 15, 7:48 am, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_14_3_@Cotse.NET...
You, John Fredriksen, got rich ( a billionaire at age 28, in 1972 )
Does this tally with his, ahem, military service?
I missed something. Is this who TJ is now claiming to be?
Is John Fredriksen 8-feet tall, inventor of clear steel,
a "Rushan Indian", etc?
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/business/article1120938.ece
Shall we check other things TJ has claimed to own or do
against Fredriksen's bio?
I am sure Jeff will bend over backwards to find justifications for it...
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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15 May 2007 02:04:07 PM |
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Nice of me to let you know who I am befor I quit .
You'll all stay poor or you'll trade.
you all might be too stupid.
just plain stupid.
dumbasses are a dime a dozzen.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 May 2007 04:30:06 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:9627-464A0427-1195@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
Nice of me to let you know who I am befor I quit .
Yeah, like it really is you.
Bye bye frazir. If it means you never post again, I will believe you.
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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15 May 2007 02:22:10 PM |
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On May 15, 3:04 pm, (tj Frazir) wrote:
Nice of me to let you know who I am befor I quit .
No you didn't.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Like any other drug, too much money is lethal. |
15 May 2007 04:09:25 PM |
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White trash and " niggas " aren't as dumb as you imagine, Giant John.
We all have just one life to live.
Like any other drug, too much money is lethal.
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| User: "Kadaitcha Man" |
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15 May 2007 12:07:31 PM |
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T Wake wrote:
"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179231943.072602.39570@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 15, 7:48 am, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_14_3_@Cotse.NET...
You, John Fredriksen, got rich ( a billionaire at age 28, in 1972 )
Does this tally with his, ahem, military service?
I missed something. Is this who TJ is now claiming to be?
Is John Fredriksen 8-feet tall, inventor of clear steel,
a "Rushan Indian", etc?
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/business/article1120938.ece
Shall we check other things TJ has claimed to own or do
against Fredriksen's bio?
I am sure Jeff will bend over backwards to find justifications for it...
I'd rather use an inhaler and cane than have Jeff's dental profile.
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| User: "John Bailo" |
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15 May 2007 12:19:55 PM |
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Jeff…Relf wrote:
I compete with myself, to reach _ My _ goals.
Oddly, both of you end up losing.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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15 May 2007 01:58:08 PM |
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Jeff wount wake wount..poelock wount..
they are all too cowardly stupid to trade.
John bailo-blower is as poor and stupid as jeff wake and randy.
Bailoblow $ 10 mil profit on 10,000 ton ndm is anyones money that dose
the trade.
jeff might have an advantage on you,
green teeth or not ,,he knows where the trade bank finance page is .
Re: I compete with myself, to reach _ My _ goals.
Group: sci.physics Date: Tue, May 15, 2007, 10:19am (EDT-3) From:
jabailo@texeme.com (John=A0Bailo)
Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf wrote:
I compete with myself, to reach _ My _ goals.
Oddly, both of you end up losing.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: The house doesn't gamble; eventually, it takes all. |
15 May 2007 04:27:46 PM |
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Yea, John Bailo ( and John Fredriksen ), I do battle with myself.
I fight back my lust for computers and food.
I have no lust for money, fame, drugs or whores... thank God.
And yes, I am losing... we're all imprisoned in a casino.
The house doesn't gamble; eventually, it takes all.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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16 May 2007 03:21:23 PM |
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its no gamble ..
I never gamble .
I know what the buyer said he'll sine $ to.
I know the sellers price .
I can do the cost between in my head .
I like 50 cents a pound but 25 cent is good fucking money too.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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14 May 2007 08:07:37 PM |
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On May 14, 4:47 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
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I compete with myself, to reach _ My _ goals.
Nobody loves you, you are broke and living in a hovel, you have daily
conversations with an imaginary billionare who has nothing to give
you, and are this close to being evicted. If those are your goals -
congratulations.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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14 May 2007 09:37:05 PM |
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There are tons of people who " love " me, Eric_Gisse;
i.e. they need what I have to give ( because they have so little ).
But now I'm broke and getting broker,
so I'm telling them to " Go kick rocks ! ".
John Fredriksen is real.
Borrow from the trade bank as he outlined, if you doubt it;
sell *****... that's how you make money, start " casting spells ".
I'm not into that, I'm too honest to sell anything, incluing myself.
I might be a good VC++ 8.0 coder, maybe, if I happen to be your type.
I'm not going to pretend that I'm more than that.
Money means nothing to me, I can live without it.
You can't starve in Seattle, I don't care how retarded you are.
My nastiest habit is computers. Second nastiest is food.
Hookers, alcohol, pills, needles, money, gambling, begging,
mooching, stealing, etc. do not appeal to me... never have.
I'm doing fine.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 May 2007 06:49:58 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_14_6_@Cotse.NET...
There are tons of people who " love " me, Eric_Gisse;
i.e. they need what I have to give ( because they have so little ).
Cluelessness noted.
But now I'm broke and getting broker,
so I'm telling them to " Go kick rocks ! ".
Ditto.
John Fredriksen is real.
And you think it is Frazir?
Borrow from the trade bank as he outlined, if you doubt it;
sell *****... that's how you make money, start " casting spells ".
I'm not into that, I'm too honest to sell anything, incluing myself.
I might be a good VC++ 8.0 coder, maybe, if I happen to be your type.
I'm not going to pretend that I'm more than that.
Money means nothing to me, I can live without it.
You can't starve in Seattle, I don't care how retarded you are.
My nastiest habit is computers. Second nastiest is food.
Hookers, alcohol, pills, needles, money, gambling, begging,
mooching, stealing, etc. do not appeal to me... never have.
I'm doing fine.
Compared to a Roman slave, perhaps.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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14 May 2007 10:38:22 PM |
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Nothing dishonest in trade deals at all.
If you farm you sell your corn .
Your not callng farmers dishonest ?
One thing I wount do is rip anyone off.
I pay right I make my money right.
What the ***** did you eat today ?
Your eating trade leads .
You sleep on trade leads and your pc is a trade lead .
ITS no used car gig !
Its more like the store.
I still dont care what you are into..
you want 10 mil then you know damb well I posted the hottest ndm trade
on earth.
evry broker on the planet would kill to see the pages I posted , they
are brokers not bloodhounds. They dont see it or it woulnt be there to
see.
make the quick 10 mill why not ?
I dont give a ***** if you dont want to.
You just nead to so what ,,evryone must work now and then and evry
fuckin job sucks ..
might as well get 1 done very well and make 10 mil and never care again.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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15 May 2007 10:24:17 PM |
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I don't need money Giant John.
I'd go on the M.V. Giant Forest June 15th, and accept cash,
but I wouldn't learn the ship brokering business.
Me selling ships would be like you coding in VC++,
it doesn't make any sense.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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16 May 2007 04:22:59 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_15_8_@Cotse.NET...
I don't need money Giant John.
You misspelt "have"
I'd go on the M.V. Giant Forest June 15th, and accept cash,
but I wouldn't learn the ship brokering business.
Me selling ships would be like you coding in VC++,
it doesn't make any sense.
Neither do you or Frazir.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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14 May 2007 10:27:53 PM |
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some one trades the leads I post sooner or latter.
eric greese
Your as able as the next fucker.
10,000 ton dry milk $ 2000 brazil $ 3500 UK deliver to iraq.
I posted enouph information including the trade bank finance page.
There is no reaon you dont do 1 trade and make 10 million after I posted
boath buyer and seller and the bank and charter on 40 mil a year profit
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$ 40,000,000 is on this table ,,,care to trade ?
IM a billionaire and 40 million is anyones this year.
***** you wake ,, if I hand the money out no one will trade .
You stupid fucks wount even look at the pages .
$ 10,000,000 profit the first load ,,
or buy the 30,000 acre forest .
or boath !
I could set you up with bette trades but Im loading boats this month .
Im just buying bottom buck and it will sit as cash untill I sell it and
make 32 %.
I load up 3/4 billion bucks of pulp , load up 500,000 ton surgar ..load
up 280,000 ton aluminum ,,nickle ,,coffie ,,copper ..
2 million BBL oil.
I started with 12,000 usd.
now at 14 billion untill I unload and be worth 16 billion...
20 of us just bought Crystler 5 % each.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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15 May 2007 03:14:03 AM |
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1998, Daimler issues 37 gigadollars in stock
( a.k.a. long-long-term debt ) to buy Chrysler.
Monday, 9 years later,
it _ Paid _ a net .65 gigadollars to get rid of it.
Cerberus ( a.k.a. the hounds of hell ) will pay a net 7.4 gigadollars
and assume 18.9 gigadollars in liabilities for 80 percent of Chrysler.
Total cost: 26.3 gigadollars.
What'll this 26 gigadollars be worth 9 years from now ?
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: What'll this 26 gigadollars be worth 9 years from now ? |
15 May 2007 02:09:35 PM |
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we bought chrystler.
id look the ***** out this fall.
ssve is going to run down the line .
chystler will push te engines alleady biult and sell cars and engines to
put in cars on the road.
the standard is 277 HP 250 MPG.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Frazir, I hope you can stay. |
15 May 2007 03:46:51 PM |
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250 m.p.g. ( at 277 h.p. ) cars are not the standard,
I can't even locate any references to it on the web.
Thanks for telling me who you are, Giant John,
I hope it didn't land you in too much trouble
and you'll continue to post here.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Frazir, I hope you can stay. |
15 May 2007 04:28:53 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_15_3_@Cotse.NET...
250 m.p.g. ( at 277 h.p. ) cars are not the standard,
I can't even locate any references to it on the web.
Who would have thought that.
Thanks for telling me who you are, Giant John,
I hope it didn't land you in too much trouble
and you'll continue to post here.
Once more you redefine the unit of gullibility.
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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15 May 2007 02:27:13 PM |
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On May 15, 3:09 pm, (tj Frazir) wrote:
we bought chrystler.
Nobody's bought Chrysler yet. Here is the information on bidders:
"The Detroit News has learned that the Blackstone Group and
Cerberus Capital Management, two of the nation's largest
private-equity firms, and Canadian supplier Magna
International Inc. have made formal bids to buy Chrysler."
None of those is a Norwegian shipping tycoon. I suppose you
or Jeff will claim that you own all of these through a chain of
subsidiaries, but that's easily checked also.
id look the ***** out this fall.
ssve is going to run down the line .
chystler will push te engines alleady biult and sell cars and engines to
put in cars on the road.
the standard is 277 HP 250 MPG.
Yeah, OK, I'll look out for Chrysler to start making 250 mpg
cars this fall. Heh.
If you ever learned about the actual auto industry, you would
know how ridiculous it is to claim that a brand new owner was
going to roll out a new product from Chrysler 4-5 months after
the sale. Only Jeff (or you) would believe that.
- Randy
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 May 2007 04:25:55 PM |
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"Randy Poe" <poespam-trap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On May 15, 3:09 pm, (tj Frazir) wrote:
we bought chrystler.
Nobody's bought Chrysler yet. Here is the information on bidders:
"The Detroit News has learned that the Blackstone Group and
Cerberus Capital Management, two of the nation's largest
private-equity firms, and Canadian supplier Magna
International Inc. have made formal bids to buy Chrysler."
None of those is a Norwegian shipping tycoon. I suppose you
or Jeff will claim that you own all of these through a chain of
subsidiaries, but that's easily checked also.
id look the ***** out this fall.
ssve is going to run down the line .
chystler will push te engines alleady biult and sell cars and engines to
put in cars on the road.
the standard is 277 HP 250 MPG.
Yeah, OK, I'll look out for Chrysler to start making 250 mpg
cars this fall. Heh.
If you ever learned about the actual auto industry, you would
know how ridiculous it is to claim that a brand new owner was
going to roll out a new product from Chrysler 4-5 months after
the sale. Only Jeff (or you) would believe that.
They have a lot in common...
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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15 May 2007 02:30:39 PM |
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On May 15, 3:27 pm, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 15, 3:09 pm, (tj Frazir) wrote:
we bought chrystler.
Nobody's bought Chrysler yet. Here is the information on bidders:
"The Detroit News has learned that the Blackstone Group and
Cerberus Capital Management, two of the nation's largest
private-equity firms, and Canadian supplier Magna
International Inc. have made formal bids to buy Chrysler."
Oops. My news was old. Cerberus' bid has been accepted.
http://tinyurl.com/22sz28
"DaimlerChrysler AG has announced it has sold control of the
Chrysler Group to New York private equity firm Cerberus Capital
Management, divorcing luxury car maker Mercedes Benz from
the mass-market maker of Jeep."
None of those is a Norwegian shipping tycoon. I suppose you
or Jeff will claim that you own all of these through a chain of
subsidiaries, but that's easily checked also.
That still holds.
- Randy
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Daimler's Big ***** F_ck Up. |
15 May 2007 03:13:11 PM |
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Randy wrote, " Oops. My news was old. "... and retarded.
In the bid for Chrysler,
Cerberus Capital was the only --> Private <-- equity firm
unlikely to issue publically traded debt to fund the purchase.
i.e. it's investing its own capital, no L.B.O.
Cerberus will inject a net 7.4 gigadollars into Chrysler.
Daimler is injecting cash too, paying a net .65 gigadollars to
get rid of 80 percent of Chrysler and 18.9 gigadollars in liabilities.
Chrysler cost Daimler 38 gigadollars over 9 years... A Big ***** ***** Up.
Unlike me, the press ( e.g. Forbes, W.S.J., N.Y.T., F.T., Salon etc. )
don't know who owns Cerberus. Cerberus plans to introduce another
" smart car ", not unlike the tremendous " smart " flop at Daimler.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Daimler's Big ***** F_ck Up. |
15 May 2007 04:27:45 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_15_2_@Cotse.NET...
Randy wrote, " Oops. My news was old. "... and retarded.
In the bid for Chrysler,
Cerberus Capital was the only --> Private <-- equity firm
unlikely to issue publically traded debt to fund the purchase.
i.e. it's investing its own capital, no L.B.O.
Cerberus will inject a net 7.4 gigadollars into Chrysler.
Daimler is injecting cash too, paying a net .65 gigadollars to
get rid of 80 percent of Chrysler and 18.9 gigadollars in liabilities.
Chrysler cost Daimler 38 gigadollars over 9 years... A Big ***** ***** Up.
Unlike me, the press ( e.g. Forbes, W.S.J., N.Y.T., F.T., Salon etc. )
don't know who owns Cerberus.
Does Frazir own Cerberus? You could make a fortune selling that to Forbes,
WSJ, NYT, Salon etc.
Cerberus plans to introduce another
" smart car ", not unlike the tremendous " smart " flop at Daimler.
Is the Smart car a flop? I hope so, because it is offensive to look at. If
you went round any big city in the UK though, you can't move for the hideous
f*ckers.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Daimler loses money on every " smart " it sells. |
15 May 2007 04:53:20 PM |
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You don't know who own's Cerberus, Mr. Wake, and I'm not telling.
Daimler loses money on every " smart " it sells.
Oddly, the 5-seat ( safer ) Toyota Prius gets better milage in the city.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Daimler loses money on every " smart " it sells. |
16 May 2007 04:23:47 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_May_15_6_@Cotse.NET...
You don't know who own's Cerberus, Mr. Wake, and I'm not telling.
Mainly because you don't know.
Daimler loses money on every " smart " it sells.
How much?
Oddly, the 5-seat ( safer ) Toyota Prius gets better milage in the city.
So what? That was never the Smart Car's selling point.
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