Science > Physics > The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.
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"Tom Potter" |
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30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM |
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The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
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"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
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As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
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29 Apr 2007 10:38:54 PM |
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The air attack on the Seawise Giant
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giant marshmellow on a long long stick.
This is the bigges moving object ever biult.
You could put QE2 inside it.
You could put the USS ronald reagon in it.
500,000 tons .
a 150,000 ton looks small next to it.
You can get lost in the double hull.
baseball on deck.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Show us some Clear Steel, Dr. Tao. |
29 Apr 2007 12:25:22 AM |
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evry year 40,000 poles is 150 acres.
At the edge of the last cut 4 years ago.
young fraser firs next to 20 year fraser firs.
ff spruce hybirds.
Most of the 30,000 has never been cut.
none of the maples ( 35 % of the forest ) have ever been cut.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Show us some Clear Steel, Dr. Tao. |
29 Apr 2007 03:13:55 AM |
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tj Frazir wrote:
evry year 40,000 poles is 150 acres.
At the edge of the last cut 4 years ago.
young fraser firs next to 20 year fraser firs.
ff spruce hybirds.
Most of the 30,000 has never been cut.
none of the maples ( 35 % of the forest ) have ever been cut.
Nonsense. Only 12 cords per acre, only 35% hardwoods.
Google Image Result for
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Show us some Clear Steel, Dr. Tao. |
29 Apr 2007 11:55:02 AM |
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a cord is 1000 bf ..only a 19 inch stump counts .
You cant count a 10 inch stump in a cord.
Inspect it and count evry stick.
take a full inventory.
You see in the pic..it was 4 years after clearcut . The young trees are
just 6 feet tall.
The forest in the background is a 12 cord stand.
Thats what a 12-14 cord stand looks like.
In 15 years the fraser fir spruce hybirds will be a 10-12 cord stand .
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Show us some Clear Steel, Dr. Tao. |
29 Apr 2007 03:11:55 AM |
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tj Frazir wrote:
I paid $ 165 acre for 100,000 acres in maine an $250 for 23000 acres.
The 30,000 acres was posted so you can look at it $ 13 mil.
didnt you see it ?
"The property has an estimated timber inventory of
12 cords/acre with a species composition of 65%
softwoods, and 35% northern hardwoods."
4.2 cords hardwoods per acre.
Says nothing about marketable sizes.
What is this, 5 years since clearcut?
Timber prices were terribly depressed last year at
US mills. Winter 2005-2006 harvest sat in yards
waiting for price to become semi-normal well into
fall of 2006. Some is still waiting.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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29 Apr 2007 11:47:09 AM |
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5 years ago the last 1 % cut.
1 % of the forest per year.
5 % is available.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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29 Apr 2007 06:00:50 PM |
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16290.jpg
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tongass 450,000 ton clearcut.
It looks like allot but its a very small amount of 1 million acre . 1
Patch a year.
strawberries planeted and trees hybirds planted by machine behind the
dozer.
All the animals will eat well in the clear aria for awile then move to
te next patch when the new trees come up.
I dont pic the best trees ,,I pick the sick patches and sell them so
the forest is better off and my new hybirds grow so quick and tall it
looks like a corn field with row trees.
Row tree rainforesst is fucking ausome.
drive a 4x4 threw the row lanes for miles.
its never windy never too cold.
The moss is heat there is no thermofrost .
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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28 Apr 2007 11:54:43 PM |
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LandVest : Property Search Results
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$ 20 mil 10,000 ton maple.
spruce pulp $ 700 ton $ 20 mil is 28000 ton.
50.000 ton pine logs to make 28000 ton pulp.
20 mil at $250 ton log 80,000 ton
$ 40 mil the first yea on 2 deals one for pine log one for maple log.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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29 Apr 2007 12:43:44 AM |
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30,000 acres for $ 8 mil.
black cherry . 28,000,000 board feet.
6000 black chery logs will pay this 30,000 New York prime land off.
LandVest : Tug Hill Forest - 30,312=B1 Acres: Detail
Address:http://www.landvest.com/property.detail.php?property_record_id=3D6=
470&page=3D4
if you dont YOUR NUTZ.
take even WAKE an hour to sell $ 10 mil in black chery logs.
at 10 mil a year you'd never hadly touch the forest.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Show us some Clear Steel, Dr. Tao.$400acrex3000 |
29 Apr 2007 12:57:42 AM |
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LandAndFarm.com - Land for Sale - Stacyville - 3000 ACRES - COUNTY,
Maine, United States
Address:http://www.landandfarm.com/lf/s\63\74915.asp
$ 400 acre
1.2 mil.
4,6 sq mile
6000 ton x $250 $1.5 mil. OR..........
1 ton poles $500 each 2400 phone poles.
50 acre cut
easy ***** buy it with a trade lead.
Wake should do this.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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29 Apr 2007 01:33:42 AM |
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I understand what you're talking about, Dr. Tao,
kinda like you understand " www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/X.CPP ".
i.e. you know it's computer code, you know I say it's VC++ 8.0,
you see me talk about it all the time, but that's as deep as it goes.
One person, The_Ghost, tried to compile it... he failed.
Now, if that's what I, Jeff Relf, understand about forests
imagine how much less T_Wake understands.
We'd all be better off if you just mailed us the toilet paper.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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29 Apr 2007 06:50:02 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_28_18_@Cotse.NET...
I understand what you're talking about, Dr. Tao,
kinda like you understand " www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/X.CPP ".
i.e. you know it's computer code, you know I say it's VC++ 8.0,
you see me talk about it all the time, but that's as deep as it goes.
One person, The_Ghost, tried to compile it... he failed.
Now, if that's what I, Jeff Relf, understand about forests
imagine how much less T_Wake understands.
This is kind of ironic, isn't it?
We'd all be better off if you just mailed us the toilet paper.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Show us some Clear Steel, Dr. Tao. |
27 Apr 2007 08:11:51 PM |
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nice pic randy.
Notice the logs are not on a dock.
No trucks anywhere.
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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27 Apr 2007 09:31:49 PM |
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On Apr 27, 9:11 pm, (tj Frazir) wrote:
nice pic randy.
Notice the logs are not on a dock.
No trucks anywhere.
What are you talking about? The stock picture of floating
logs YOU posted? Now you're telling yourself it's a nice
picture you found?
What exactly is the point of this?
- Randy
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Dr. Tao logs " First Nation " land in The Tongass area, Randy_Poe. |
27 Apr 2007 09:58:54 PM |
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Dr. Tao logs " First Nation " land in The Tongass area, Randy_Poe.
He uses 5 ships, docked in Seattle, 10 crew per ship.
The crew live in the Seattle area.
They don't use roads, they lay rails from shore to the forest,
taking everything back with them when they leave.
The crew came from Maine and have been with him for 15 years now.
They make 100 kilodollars for 2 months work ( I think ),
each of their children gets a new car when they turn 16.
They get huge bonuses too, 25 kilodollars, I think.
He digests the logs using something like a " sonic welder "
and up to 1,500 p.s.i. ( from a Doble boiler ),
popping the pressure after 10 minutes.
It also makes ultra fluffy pop corn, just to give you an idea.
Logs breathe, they have air-flow.
The cookers have 15 inch thick doors and 70 ton capacities,
and cost 5 megadollars each. Dr. Tao helped design them.
With the pressure release, the now-soft logs are ejected
into a spinning grader. At 650 degrees F, they make the water boil.
Only a tiny amout of bleach is needed, you could drink the water.
It's " E.P.A. Golden Star " rated.
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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| Title: Re: Dr. Tao logs " First Nation " land in The Tongass area, Randy_Poe. |
28 Apr 2007 09:41:56 AM |
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On Apr 27, 10:58 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Dr. Tao
I don't know anybody by that name.
logs " First Nation " land in The Tongass area, Randy_Poe.
I don't know anybody by that name, either.
He uses 5 ships, docked in Seattle, 10 crew per ship.
The crew live in the Seattle area.
There is no crew. There are no ships.
JeF_fr_elf, let me ask you a *completely unconnected* question
about your social milieu.
I suspect you know a lot of people with various degrees
of mental illness. Some of them are probably actively
delusional and not taking their medication.
Do you know anyone who has powerful delusions about
who, what or where they are (perhaps they are the
King of Mars for instance), and speak with complete
sincerity and authority when discussing their delusion?
- Randy
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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28 Apr 2007 07:57:59 PM |
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Everybody likes to play the fool on Usenet.
It gets people fired... Imagine if Bill Gates ran his mouth here.
I run my mouth because I have nothing to lose.
Dr. Tao shouldn't tell me who he is, I'm a blabber mouth.
I'm not desperate for his help.
Yes, Randy, I know many 'tards... it's funkin' _ Ugly _.
But I've never met anyone, face-to-face, who claimed
to be " king of the Milky Way " or some such.
A few people on Usenet make claims that sound like that,
at least at first glance;
but I never judge anyone after just one glance.
In fact, that's the main difference between you and me.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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28 Apr 2007 09:27:17 PM |
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On Apr 28, 4:57 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Everybody likes to play the fool on Usenet.
It gets people fired... Imagine if Bill Gates ran his mouth here.
I run my mouth because I have nothing to lose.
You run your mouth because you are incapable of feeling shame.
Dr. Tao shouldn't tell me who he is, I'm a blabber mouth.
I'm not desperate for his help.
He isn't a real doctor, vacuum for brains.
God, you are so gullible.
Yes, Randy, I know many 'tards... it's funkin' _ Ugly _.
But I've never met anyone, face-to-face, who claimed
to be " king of the Milky Way " or some such.
A few people on Usenet make claims that sound like that,
at least at first glance;
but I never judge anyone after just one glance.
In fact, that's the main difference between you and me.
You are an idiot and he is not - that is the main difference.
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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29 Apr 2007 04:34:12 AM |
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On Apr 28, 8:57 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Everybody likes to play the fool on Usenet.
It gets people fired... Imagine if Bill Gates ran his mouth here.
I run my mouth because I have nothing to lose.
Dr. Tao shouldn't tell me who he is, I'm a blabber mouth.
I'm not desperate for his help.
Yes, Randy, I know many 'tards... it's funkin' _ Ugly _.
This has my name in it, but doesn't appear to be an answer
to anything I asked.
But I've never met anyone, face-to-face, who claimed
to be " king of the Milky Way " or some such.
OK, I'll be more explicit. There are mental illnesses that do
involve delusions. The people suffering from these illnesses
believe those delusions. Yet even if they tell you those things,
that does not make them real. Even if they say them really,
really sincerely. Such a person is unable to distinguish their
delusions from what we call "reality". They are having "experiences"
which are not part of the common "reality" most of us share.
And they are very "real".
Such a person might say, oh, that they were the owner
of Toyota, or a fleet of ships. They might tell you they live
at sea, or on the moon. They might describe to you their
day at Toyota in great detail. They might read a newspaper
article about the president of Toyota and tell you about
a breakfast they had with him (maybe on their ships) in
all sincerity.
But none of that sincerity makes it real.
A few people on Usenet make claims that sound like that,
at least at first glance;
Or on extended glances.
I really find it hard to believe you've never encountered a
mentally ill person among the homeless you know.
- Randy
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Dr. Tao is exactly who he claims to be. |
29 Apr 2007 05:47:01 AM |
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Dr. Tao ( a.k.a. Frazir, or whatever ) is exactly who he claims to be.
I know that because I've put in the effort to _ Understand _ .
If Bill Gates wanted to have a good time here, talking *****,
we wouldn't use his real name... The press would have a hay day.
I don't immediately dismiss Dr. Tao just because
I'm too " stupid " to understand him, you shouldn't either, Randy.
Dr. Tao talks about ***** we don't understand... So what ?
I've talked about my VC++ 8.0 code constantly, for years,
and I've yet to meet anyone who could _ Run _ any of it,
much less compile it... much, much less improve it.
I was once a Mormon missionary, Randy.
You know, where Joseph Smith claimed to have translated
" The Golden Plates " given to him by the Biblical God,
resulting in " The Book of Mormon ",
a.k.a. " Another Testament of Jesus Christ ".
http://WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Book_of_Mormon
At the time, my thinking was:
" No one would make such claims if it wasn't true. "
and " If God isn't our Heavenly Father our lives are pointless. ".
Today I think Joseph Smith was a product of his era,
just as we all are... A now mostly-gone period of innocence.
Even to this day, my 80 year old mom is innocent like that.
My dad died two years ago, at age 80.
He too held that kind of innocence, it was charming really.
" This life is a test. ", he'd say, " and I'm going to pass it. "
and " Does the caterpillar know he'll become Monarch butterfly ? ".
But, besides being a big push-over like me, he was no fool.
" My houses aren't worth more, " he'd say,
" my money is just worth less. ".
So, Randy, was my dad deluded ? who isn't deluded ?
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29 Apr 2007 08:23:34 AM |
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Jeff…Relf wrote:
Dr. Tao ( a.k.a. Frazir, or whatever ) is exactly who he claims to be.
I know that because I've put in the effort to _ Understand _ .
If Bill Gates wanted to have a good time here, talking *****,
we wouldn't use his real name... The press would have a hay day.
I don't immediately dismiss Dr. Tao just because
I'm too " stupid " to understand him, you shouldn't either, Randy.
Dr. Tao talks about ***** we don't understand... So what ?
I've talked about my VC++ 8.0 code constantly, for years,
and I've yet to meet anyone who could _ Run _ any of it,
much less compile it... much, much less improve it.
I was once a Mormon missionary, Randy.
You know, where Joseph Smith claimed to have translated
" The Golden Plates " given to him by the Biblical God,
resulting in " The Book of Mormon ",
a.k.a. " Another Testament of Jesus Christ ".
http://WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Book_of_Mormon
At the time, my thinking was:
" No one would make such claims if it wasn't true. "
and " If God isn't our Heavenly Father our lives are pointless. ".
Some are.
Today I think Joseph Smith was a product of his era,
just as we all are... A now mostly-gone period of innocence.
Even to this day, my 80 year old mom is innocent like that.
My dad died two years ago, at age 80.
He too held that kind of innocence, it was charming really.
" This life is a test. ", he'd say, " and I'm going to pass it. "
and " Does the caterpillar know he'll become Monarch butterfly ? ".
But, besides being a big push-over like me, he was no fool.
" My houses aren't worth more, " he'd say,
" my money is just worth less. ".
So, Randy, was my dad deluded ? who isn't deluded ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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29 Apr 2007 09:15:38 AM |
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<nonsense@unsettled.com> wrote in message
news:a55cc$46349c55$cdd085fb$8755@DIALUPUSA.NET...
Jeff.Relf wrote:
Dr. Tao ( a.k.a. Frazir, or whatever ) is exactly who he claims to be.
I know that because I've put in the effort to _ Understand _ .
If Bill Gates wanted to have a good time here, talking *****,
we wouldn't use his real name... The press would have a hay day.
I don't immediately dismiss Dr. Tao just because I'm too " stupid " to
understand him, you shouldn't either, Randy.
Dr. Tao talks about ***** we don't understand... So what ?
I've talked about my VC++ 8.0 code constantly, for years,
and I've yet to meet anyone who could _ Run _ any of it,
much less compile it... much, much less improve it.
I was once a Mormon missionary, Randy.
You know, where Joseph Smith claimed to have translated
" The Golden Plates " given to him by the Biblical God,
resulting in " The Book of Mormon ",
a.k.a. " Another Testament of Jesus Christ ".
http://WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Book_of_Mormon
At the time, my thinking was:
" No one would make such claims if it wasn't true. "
and " If God isn't our Heavenly Father our lives are pointless. ".
Some are.
J_effR_elf's for example.
Today I think Joseph Smith was a product of his era,
just as we all are... A now mostly-gone period of innocence.
Even to this day, my 80 year old mom is innocent like that.
My dad died two years ago, at age 80.
He too held that kind of innocence, it was charming really.
" This life is a test. ", he'd say, " and I'm going to pass it. "
and " Does the caterpillar know he'll become Monarch butterfly ? ".
But, besides being a big push-over like me, he was no fool.
" My houses aren't worth more, " he'd say,
" my money is just worth less. ".
So, Randy, was my dad deluded ? who isn't deluded ?
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27 Apr 2007 01:06:57 PM |
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Changed:4:31 AM on Friday, November 18, 2005
Wellcome to fantasy island ..
Thats a 6 inch rod down threw the hold..
*****,,its a rig in the hold =BF
Now thats 1 strange looking rig.
if fantasy,,why all the greese ?
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25 Apr 2007 08:23:44 PM |
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This will have you all...stumped =A1=A1=A1
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its just what it looks like ,,,and yes it makes money .. lots of money
for what it is.
cut that log off it floats up
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27 Apr 2007 09:23:22 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7462-462FFF20-27@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
This will have you all...stumped ˇˇˇ
Was that supposed to be a pun?
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its just what it looks like ,,,and yes it makes money .. lots of money
for what it is.
cut that log off it floats up
So you claim you have bought one of these and you use it all the time then?
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25 Apr 2007 10:23:52 PM |
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Triton Logging is near Victoria, B.C., Canada.
Quoting " www.TritonLogging.COM/engineering.html ":
" ...the world's only deep-water logging machine,
combining proven elements from timber-harvesting
and submarine vehicle technology. ".
That sounds like something you'd invent, Dr. Tao.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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27 Apr 2007 09:22:30 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Triton Logging is near Victoria, B.C., Canada.
Quoting " www.TritonLogging.COM/engineering.html ":
" ...the world's only deep-water logging machine,
combining proven elements from timber-harvesting
and submarine vehicle technology. ".
That sounds like something you'd invent, Dr. Tao.
What, you mean you dont think it exists?
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| Title: Re: T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest. |
23 Apr 2007 09:21:26 PM |
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No Your wrong THE buyer and evry buyer secures his money with the trade
bank.
IRS rules on buying...idiot. Pay yer taxes .
1200 buck maple is not top buck dumbass.
What banks talk to you ??
Forest producs is the idia if your selling logs moron.
Tell me what my crontract rules are stupid !
I said the buyer dose what the buyer wants...
you said no he dose what makes him the most money .. !! Under market
price and 1/2 down is the best deal ...ask him.
ASK the buyer and prove it moron.
Market force is 20,000 buyes knowing your selling.
Re: T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest.
Group: sci.physics Date: Mon, Apr 23, 2007, 10:08am (EDT-1) From:
nonsense@unsettled.com
tj Frazir wrote:
Your retarted.
BUYER dose what BUYER wants.
BS. Buyer does what suits his profit line the best. That does not
include becoming your investment banker at no fee. Any that actually try
something like that don't last in business very long.
I dont load the boat till I got my money.
You buy or sell stumpage at the forest unless you are in the timbering
business and/or cartage which means you have to own or lease the
machinery, do payroll, insurance, all the business related functions.
Buyer wants to secure money at trade bank.
Buyer depends on his corporation scheduling income and payments to
minimize the loans his firm has to take in the course of his business.
Or Buyer want contact .
I assume you mean contract. With penalty clauses. if you don't perform
quantity, quality, and delivery schedule. If you fail in any of these
he's sitting on money he could and should have spent elsewhere.
Buyer dont save $200 ton and cant fill orders if he dont buy .
Buyer contracts to buy. See IRS rules.
I got a fall color pic of the forest and see 125000 maples on 1 hill.
=A0=A0From which you can't tell anything about quality, size, or age.
30,000 acres 35 % maples.
=A0=A0From which you can't tell anything about quality, size, or age.
YOUR a fucking loon if you think the trade bank wont ...you best read
the banks page fool .
I don't read web pages, I *talk* to banks. You dream about talking to
banks. I don't think they talk to you.
YOU best ask the buyers and see if they will contract for under market
price.
Buyer does on site inspection before he talks very much.
DONT tell me what market price is AFTER I posted the world market
prices.
You posted nonsense once again. Birdseye brings top dollar. Logs range
all the way down to pulp. Any tree that's been tapped to make syrup is
destined to become pulp or firewood. Those have yet again their own
price structures. You'd like to make believe every tree is worth top
dollar.
Yer a idjet.
why would you quote birdseye maples when we're counting red maples ?
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22 Apr 2007 07:23:25 AM |
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In article <7407$462b4e04$4fe779d$29382@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
"nonsense@unsettled.com" <nonsense@unsettled.com> wrote:
T Wake wrote:
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The missing element is, of course, that flooding any
market with excess product in a short timeframe depresses
the price.
Unless it's a commodity, e.g., Christmas trees.
/BAH
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22 Apr 2007 10:24:11 AM |
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wrote:
In article <7407$462b4e04$4fe779d$29382@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
"nonsense@unsettled.com" <nonsense@unsettled.com> wrote:
T Wake wrote:
<snip>
The missing element is, of course, that flooding any
market with excess product in a short timeframe depresses
the price.
Unless it's a commodity, e.g., Christmas trees.
The region where I live ships Christmas trees in bulk to
Chicago and southern Wisconsin. Our local prices are
1/5 of what the same trees fetch in Chicago or Milwaukee,
and there's only 1 store in our local "city" selling them.
(Next nearest point of sale is the next town over, some
15 miles away.)
That price difference isn't in the shipping.
Those who can't afford to buy a tree are apt to take a ride
and a walk in the woods with a $2 bow saw and get their own.
The place is filthy with volunteer trees.
"HEY! What are you doing over there?"
"Getting a Christmas tree."
"Oh good, they need thinning out. Can I talk you
into taking two?"
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