Science > Physics > The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.
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Science > Physics |
| User: |
"Tom Potter" |
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30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM |
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The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
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"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
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As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp/
http://tdp1001.googlepages.com/home
http://no-turtles.com
http://www.frappr.com/tompotter
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://spaces.msn.com/tdp1001
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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12 Apr 2007 04:27:16 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_20_@Cotse.NET...
Never mind Puddleduck, I found T_Wake's picture:
www.KwasOnline.COM/images/mange%20skin%20infection%206.JPG
Oh wow. You are so funny. No, seriously are you really 15 years old and just
pretending to be a pathetic, almost homeless dead beat, with major dental
hygiene issues and the social skills of a rotting corpse?
I mean, that is like me saying "Oh look, Jeff, I found your picture here:
http://static.flickr.com/65/221374817_1df837a4b8_o.jpg"
It would be funny if we were in secondary school and hadn't started
dating...
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:35:58 PM |
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In article <K7adncnd26CpOYPbnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
I mean, that is like me saying "Oh look, Jeff, I found your picture here:
http://static.flickr.com/65/221374817_1df837a4b8_o.jpg"
It would be funny if we were in secondary school and hadn't started
dating...
Be careful - he's gonna ask you to the PROM!
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Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "John \C" |
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12 Apr 2007 05:10:58 PM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-58DD0B.22355812042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <K7adncnd26CpOYPbnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
I mean, that is like me saying "Oh look, Jeff, I found your picture
here:
http://static.flickr.com/65/221374817_1df837a4b8_o.jpg"
It would be funny if we were in secondary school and hadn't started
dating...
Be careful - he's gonna ask you to the PROM!
Gee, that's pretty Gay, Duckie.
HJ
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:58:32 PM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-58DD0B.22355812042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <K7adncnd26CpOYPbnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
I mean, that is like me saying "Oh look, Jeff, I found your picture here:
http://static.flickr.com/65/221374817_1df837a4b8_o.jpg"
It would be funny if we were in secondary school and hadn't started
dating...
Be careful - he's gonna ask you to the PROM!
At last I have a stalker!
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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12 Apr 2007 05:15:44 PM |
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In article <GvWdnQMM2psUNoPbRVnygQA@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-58DD0B.22355812042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <K7adncnd26CpOYPbnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
I mean, that is like me saying "Oh look, Jeff, I found your picture here:
http://static.flickr.com/65/221374817_1df837a4b8_o.jpg"
It would be funny if we were in secondary school and hadn't started
dating...
Be careful - he's gonna ask you to the PROM!
At last I have a stalker!
I'm so proud!
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Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "John \C" |
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12 Apr 2007 05:27:58 PM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-91D86B.23154412042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <GvWdnQMM2psUNoPbRVnygQA@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-58DD0B.22355812042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <K7adncnd26CpOYPbnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
I mean, that is like me saying "Oh look, Jeff, I found your picture
here:
http://static.flickr.com/65/221374817_1df837a4b8_o.jpg"
It would be funny if we were in secondary school and hadn't started
dating...
Be careful - he's gonna ask you to the PROM!
At last I have a stalker!
I'm so Gay!
Corrected typo.
HJ
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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12 Apr 2007 08:38:41 AM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_20_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Never mind Puddleduck, I found T_Wake's picture:
www.KwasOnline.COM/images/mange%20skin%20infection%206.JPG
Homeless yet?
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Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "John \C" |
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12 Apr 2007 09:15:04 AM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-6C4B99.14384112042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_20_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffSRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Never mind Puddleduck, I found T_Wake's picture:
www.KwasOnline.COM/images/mange%20skin%20infection%206.JPG
Homeless yet?
Over that Gay period in your life, Varney?
HJ
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: T.J. WHO will make 10 mil YOU ? |
10 Apr 2007 09:22:39 AM |
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shore-road-big.jpg
Address:http://www.danheller.com/images/California/CalCoast/HalfMoonBay/shore-road-big.jpg
Changed:7:15 PM on Monday, August 21, 2006
giant log in the center of the beach.
11 foot wide 140 feet long.
170 ton .
redwood california
Thats a 1/2 million buck log.
GOOGLE big log on beach
logs on beach.
Driftwood west coast
drift logs .
wood on the beach.
I can find a pic of a giant on the beach 10 times a day ..1/2 mil each .
export bank of the united states
show buyer log but dont tell where log.
sell log .
go cut a nice lookin pice of secoya and send a sample ,,from any nice
log.
Get 1000 bucks a ton for giant logs.
tell the state to keep thie 4 bucks ton for your removed the log .
The state pay 4 bucks ton if you take it.
***** that..take a pic and sell it.
shore-road-big.jpg
Address:http://www.danheller.com/images/California/CalCoast/HalfMoonBay/shore-road-big.jpg
Changed:7:15 PM on Monday, August 21, 2006
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| Title: Psst ! Say mac. Wanna buy a log ? |
10 Apr 2007 05:46:01 PM |
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Hi T.J., You wrote, "
www.danheller.com/images/California/CalCoast/HalfMoonBay/shore-road-big.jpg
giant log in the center of the beach.
11 foot wide 140 feet long. 170 ton . redwood california
Thats a 1/2 million buck log. ".
How do you know that ? I couldn't see anything like a log,
much less a " 170 ton redwood ". That's San Francisco's Half Moon Bay.
Why do millions of people ingore the log every day ?
You told me, " Export bank of the United States,
show buyer and log but don't tell where the log is. sell log. ".
I can see it now... " Psst ! Say mac. Wanna buy a log ?
'' Where is it ? '', you ask.
Can't tell ya, but ya gotta front me half the selling price.
'' Have you ever don this before ? '', you ask.
No, but I know a guy who says he's rich. ".
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| User: "T Wake" |
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10 Apr 2007 06:07:08 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf", VVFWS winner! <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_8_@Cotse.NET...
Hi T.J., You wrote, "
www.danheller.com/images/California/CalCoast/HalfMoonBay/shore-road-big.jpg
giant log in the center of the beach.
Maybe on WebTV the road looks like a log....
11 foot wide 140 feet long. 170 ton . redwood california
Thats a 1/2 million buck log. ".
How do you know that ? I couldn't see anything like a log,
much less a " 170 ton redwood ". That's San Francisco's Half Moon Bay.
Why do millions of people ingore the log every day ?
It is a special log, only Frazir can see it.
You told me, " Export bank of the United States,
show buyer and log but don't tell where the log is. sell log. ".
I can see it now... " Psst ! Say mac. Wanna buy a log ?
'' Where is it ? '', you ask.
Can't tell ya, but ya gotta front me half the selling price.
'' Have you ever don this before ? '', you ask.
No, but I know a guy who says he's rich. ".
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| User: "Ben Newsam" |
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10 Apr 2007 04:26:33 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:22:39 -0400, (tj
Frazir) wrote:
I can find a pic of a giant on the beach 10 times a day ..
Except of course that the picture you showed isn't a picture of a log.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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10 Apr 2007 06:07:41 PM |
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linda-log.gif
Address:http://www.cs.bu.edu/faculty/crovella/tp-trip/linda-log.gif
Changed:12:00 PM on Wednesday, September 14, 1994
washington state
100 ton log
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| User: "T Wake" |
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10 Apr 2007 06:19:16 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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linda-log.gif
Address:http://www.cs.bu.edu/faculty/crovella/tp-trip/linda-log.gif
Changed:12:00 PM on Wednesday, September 14, 1994
You are a funny guy. Has it been there for 13 years?
You may want to look at this:
http://www.cs.bu.edu/faculty/crovella/tp-trip/tp-trip.html as it has this
caption for that image:
"The Lodge is right on the water, and on the beach in front of the Lodge is
Laura's Log, the big log next to which Pete found the dead Laura, "wrapped
in plastic." I was surprised at how this spot, more than any other we
visited, brought back the feeling of the show to me. Here's my wife Linda
standing in front of the Log, right where scenes from the first episode were
filmed: "
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| User: "John \C" |
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10 Apr 2007 07:54:28 PM |
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
news:XbednQ22kK3ohoHbnZ2dnUVZ8tWnnZ2d@pipex.net...
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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linda-log.gif
Address:http://www.cs.bu.edu/faculty/crovella/tp-trip/linda-log.gif
Changed:12:00 PM on Wednesday, September 14, 1994
You are a funny guy. Has it been there for 13 years?
You may want to look at this:
http://www.cs.bu.edu/faculty/crovella/tp-trip/tp-trip.html as it has this
caption for that image:
"The Lodge is right on the water, and on the beach in front of the Lodge
is
Laura's Log, the big log next to which Pete found the dead Laura, "wrapped
in plastic." I was surprised at how this spot, more than any other we
visited, brought back the feeling of the show to me. Here's my wife Linda
standing in front of the Log, right where scenes from the first episode
were
filmed: "
Say, that's pretty cool. I just loved Twin Peaks.
Thanks for the pics.
HJ
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| User: "Ben Newsam" |
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11 Apr 2007 03:50:51 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:54:28 -0500, "John \"C\""
<honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:
Say, that's pretty cool. I just loved Twin Peaks.
That log is probably a National Monument by now, and tj wants people
to steal it!
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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11 Apr 2007 04:05:42 AM |
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Hi Ben_Newsam, Speaking go the huge " Twin Peaks " log,
you commented, " That log is probably a National Monument by now,
and T.J. wants people to steal it ! ".
That's exactly what I was thinking.
T.J. thinks the owners would _ Pay _ to have old-growth logs removed ?
What's up with that ? Does he want me to ask first or not ?
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: T.J. WHO will make 10 mil YOU ? |
11 Apr 2007 10:15:52 AM |
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state pay ya 4 bucks ton to take driftwood.
driftwood kills .
call and ask .
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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10 Apr 2007 06:35:08 PM |
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Hi T.J. Re: www.cs.bu.edu/faculty/crovella/tp-trip/linda-log.gif
That link's from " Boston University ", not Washington State.
What makes you think the property owners want it removed ?
Why would someone front me, Jeff Relf, half the sale price ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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10 Apr 2007 06:40:59 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Hi T.J. Re: www.cs.bu.edu/faculty/crovella/tp-trip/linda-log.gif
That link's from " Boston University ", not Washington State.
Check the HTML page out as well.
What makes you think the property owners want it removed ?
This is another example of Frazir making everything up. Have you started
wondering why no one else believes him yet?
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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10 Apr 2007 06:59:02 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, T.J. is talking about making investments.
Everything he says flys right over your head... Shock !
T.J. has the big picture but, when it comes to little guys like me,
he can't see the finer details.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:14:53 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Hi T_Wake, T.J. is talking about making investments.
Everything he says flys right over your head... Shock !
Nope. Once more, you *think* you have read my post, but you dont appear to
have done so.
T.J. has the big picture but, when it comes to little guys like me,
he can't see the finer details.
Hmm. Do you take Lithium Carbonate by any chance?
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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10 Apr 2007 08:19:53 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_15_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi T_Wake, T.J. is talking about making investments.
Everything he says flys right over your head... Shock !
T.J. has the big picture but, when it comes to little guys like me,
he can't see the finer details.
The only things TJ has is:
1) Delusions
2) A 9pm bedtime
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Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: T.J. can't see the finer details. |
10 Apr 2007 09:58:08 PM |
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And yet you cant do 1 trade !
Because your ignorant not because you dont think you can.
Puddelfuck ignores the import bank .
Ignorant of (trade leads google ).
I posted 1500 ton month copper 87 cent profit pound ingots.
That easy money moron.
Yet you dont have 3 million bucks and your not in the top 1 % .
That means you are a fuckwad.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:15:08 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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And yet you cant do 1 trade !
And neither can you.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:33:24 PM |
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I can see T_Wake's last brain cell hard at work,
" Hmmm... I can't effect arbitrages... T.J. can't be better than me.
I Got it ! T.J.'s lying. ".
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:53:02 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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I can see T_Wake's last brain cell hard at work,
Oddly, no you can't.
" Hmmm... I can't effect arbitrages... T.J. can't be better than me.
I Got it ! T.J.'s lying. ".
Again, nope.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: I can see T_Wake's last brain cell hard at work... |
12 Apr 2007 04:44:37 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_12_6_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
I can see T_Wake's last brain cell hard at work,
" Hmmm... I can't effect arbitrages... T.J. can't be better than me.
I Got it ! T.J.'s lying. ".
No TJ's lying because his posts are complete garbage. The fact that you
can't spot it seems to suggest that YOUR braincell count is only one
less then your guess for TW
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Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: I can see 100,000 MT alu 86 cent 50 million bucks posted |
12 Apr 2007 08:35:03 PM |
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100000 mt aluminum.
india .
REMEMBER 1 thing .
25 cents 500 buck ton .
1000 x 1000 is 1 mil.
50 million bucks is 25 cents.
25 cent profit on 100,000 ton is 50 MILLION bucks dumbfuckers.
ITS
FIFTY MILLION BUCKS.
is 25 cents.
50 cent profit pound is $ 100,000,000.
100,000 tons.
ILL POST BUYER SELLER boath prices.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: I can see $ 50 MIL posted maybe 100 mil |
12 Apr 2007 08:44:23 PM |
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For Sale - 10199AL-INV
Address:http://www.spotmetals.com/ss/10199ali.htm Changed:4:22 AM on
Sunday, March 18, 2007
usa maket price MINUS 30 cents is the OFFER you should make.
Unless the price is 87 cents !!
HERE IS 25 CENT PROFIT POUND STUPIDS
100,000 fucking tons dumbfucks.
all ya nead a fuckin 25 cents.
so make 25 cents stupid.
HERE MAKE $ 50 mllion bucks or kiss my *****.
Ill give ya 48 HOURS to buy this OR I WILL buy this.
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