Science > Physics > The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.
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"Tom Potter" |
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30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM |
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The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
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"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
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As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Shipping a Christmas tree takes equipment and know-how. |
22 Apr 2007 03:27:37 PM |
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Shipping a Christmas tree takes equipment and know-how, Mr. DIALUPUSA.
It's not a matter of strolling from your Urban apartment
to the woods and back.
Contracts are ink on paper, verbal or even unspoken.
I've been working under " informal agreements " for decades now.
If you have the rig, the know-how etc., you can approach
a buyer with an offer that includes the purchase of a forest.
You can even hide the purchase of the forest from the buyer,
by using your own money or borrowing money from the ExIm bank.
The ExIm bank will want to see a detailed, verifiable budget.
If Dr. Tao ( Frazir ) wants me to gear-up and learn his business
he'll have to front me 6 kilodollars.
If he doesn't care enough to spend that much,
or if he doesn't trust me, well... then that's that.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: Shipping a Christmas tree takes equipment and know-how. |
22 Apr 2007 03:37:42 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_22_3_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
If Dr. Tao ( Frazir ) wants me to gear-up and learn his business
he'll have to front me 6 kilodollars.
If he doesn't care enough to spend that much,
or if he doesn't trust me, well... then that's that.
Here's a hint. Don't hold your breath.
Damn it Jeff, when are you going to grow a spine?
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Shipping a Christmas tree takes equipment and know-how. |
22 Apr 2007 03:57:06 PM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-8DDC9C.21374222042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_22_3_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffSRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
If Dr. Tao ( Frazir ) wants me to gear-up and learn his business
he'll have to front me 6 kilodollars.
If he doesn't care enough to spend that much,
or if he doesn't trust me, well... then that's that.
Here's a hint. Don't hold your breath.
Damn it Jeff, when are you going to grow a spine?
Or a brain cell...
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest. |
22 Apr 2007 01:32:40 AM |
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In sci.physics, tj Frazir
<GravityPhysics@webtv.net>
wrote
on Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:19:34 -0400
<29330-462AD446-575@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net>:
Im a billionaire on the net idiot.
***** yea id expect if ou had 15 mil youd be on the net anyway.
Any one of these? ;-)
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/10/07billionaires_The-Worlds-Billionaires_Rank.html
[rest snipped]
--
#191,
Linux. Because it's not the desktop that's
important, it's the ability to DO something
with it.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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| Title: Re: T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest. |
21 Apr 2007 07:29:27 AM |
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On Apr 21, 2:05 am, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Isn't it obvious, Dr. Tao ? T_Wake's mommy won't let him buy a forest.
Besides, he's too busy imagining encounters with Abramovich.
Another irony-meter blown. And I'd bought the super deluxe
"unbreakable" model just for your threads.
- Randy
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: My ambition is approaching zero. |
20 Apr 2007 04:38:21 PM |
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You'll buy Mirror_Lake, Dr. Tao.
The rest of us won't because we don't have what it takes to run it.
My ambition is approaching zero while yours is approaching infinity.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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20 Apr 2007 05:44:08 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_20_3_@Cotse.NET...
You'll buy Mirror_Lake, Dr. Tao.
The rest of us won't because we don't have what it takes to run it.
My ambition is approaching zero while yours is approaching infinity.
Your sanity is on a par with your ambition.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant. |
19 Apr 2007 03:58:17 PM |
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In article <10384-4627D419-289@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net>,
(tj Frazir) wrote:
Your brain busted and you dont know how ?
Time for School!!!
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within. Coffee boy to the
rich and famous. Proud owner of the Mop Jockey.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant. |
19 Apr 2007 06:24:33 PM |
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You buy 10,000 acres for 5 mil so sell 10 ml in logs.
$ 160 an acre is 1/2 a ton .
Take 1 ton per acre and double the money.
buy the forest 10000 acre for 5 mil and make 5mil .
trade leads dumbass ,,you sell 10,000 tons.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: I don't want to change anyone but myself. |
20 Apr 2007 12:14:59 AM |
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I question the need for a tiny room and a shared bathroom;
I have no use for a mansion, an ultralight/airstrip, ships, forests,
oil wells, boats, tractors, employees, warehouses, factories, etc.
Sure, trade leads support the lifestyle you like, your goals;
but it takes no income to support the lifestyle I perfer.
I don't want to change anyone but myself.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: I don't want to change anyone but myself. |
20 Apr 2007 01:04:28 PM |
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You got a room and public bath for 400 and you can have a house for 100
bucks and yur web conect for 20.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Affordable Housing |
20 Apr 2007 05:53:07 PM |
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I got a phone call yesterday, asking if I was interested
in " Affordable Housing "... buy that they meant " Buying a house ".
I can see congress now, hard at work, asking
" What can we do to make
5 thousand square foot homes more affordable ? ".
I laughed my ***** off, then hung up.
To get web access at Clinton Reef, Dr. Tao, I'd have to ship myself
and my PC there, then I'd have to pay 25 dollars per month,
just for the phone line.
Then, it's another 25 per month for the shitty dialup connection.
That's 40 dollars more per month than I'm paying now.
Once there, I couldn't just stroll to campus or to the store,
I'd have to buy gasoline for the tractor and the boat.
It's sunny not cloudy, flat not hilly... no coastal mountains.
At Portage Bay, at the University of Washington,
I can watch Maga_Yachts like Daedalus a _ few feet _ from me, cruising.
I can even talk to captains when they dock near the stadium.
I don't care if I live on the streets, in a rooming house
or in a 3 megadollar mansion... I just don't care.
But I do care about living near the University of Washington.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Affordable Housing |
20 Apr 2007 06:25:28 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_20_4_@Cotse.NET...
I got a phone call yesterday, asking if I was interested
in " Affordable Housing "... buy that they meant " Buying a house ".
I almost feel sorry for the telemarketters...
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: Affordable Housing |
20 Apr 2007 06:31:29 PM |
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In article <-6mdncQUWqpz1rTbRVnyvwA@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_20_4_@Cotse.NET...
I got a phone call yesterday, asking if I was interested
in " Affordable Housing "... buy that they meant " Buying a house ".
I almost feel sorry for the telemarketters...
You could almost imagine the telemarketter part way in begging for the call to
end.
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Affordable Housing |
21 Apr 2007 12:22:12 PM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-F66A3A.00312921042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <-6mdncQUWqpz1rTbRVnyvwA@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_20_4_@Cotse.NET...
I got a phone call yesterday, asking if I was interested
in " Affordable Housing "... buy that they meant " Buying a house ".
I almost feel sorry for the telemarketters...
You could almost imagine the telemarketter part way in begging for the
call to
end.
And Jane demanding he listen to Jane's "theories" and life story...
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Affordable Housing |
20 Apr 2007 09:29:58 PM |
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The store is 400 yards ,,the campus is 2 miles .
from the deck on the back you can see a ***** 2 miles away on the bike
path and have time to get that 10 speed tire flat and when she ask if
you are ok just say Yea thats my house right there ..
yur rent 100 bucks plus conect is $ 140 when your rent there is 400 .
260 cheeper.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Affordable Housing |
20 Apr 2007 09:30:29 PM |
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The store is 400 yards ,,the campus is 2 miles .
from the deck on the back you can see a ***** 2 miles away on the bike
path and have time to get that 10 speed tire flat and when she ask if
you are ok just say Yea thats my house right there ..
yur rent 100 bucks plus conect is $ 140 when your rent there is 400 .
260 cheeper.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: I don't care if there's not a girl in sight for 50 miles. |
20 Apr 2007 10:48:25 PM |
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I don't care if there's not a girl in sight for 50 miles.
Nasty bitches find me, I don't go looking for them.
( Note, 99.9 percent of the time I don't get/want sex )
If you really want to do me a favor, Dr. Tao,
give me free use of an unfinished closet in the Tongass area,
with a free internet connection and free food.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: I don't care if there's not a girl in sight for 50 miles. |
20 Apr 2007 11:15:31 PM |
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Ive gota yank this 30,000 ton load of nickel off a 900 foot deep
mountain top next week.
if the weither holds out.
25 foot dia 1000 foot stick.
with a grab on the end good for 200 ton.
should make easy work of it.
1.5 billion 50 mil invested.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Will you ever fully retire, Dr.Tao ? |
21 Apr 2007 12:58:54 AM |
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Will you ever fully retire, Dr.Tao ?
Semi-retired ( as your are )...
You spent 50 megadollars to create a 25 foot diameter pipe,
with inch-thick walls, going up to a thousand feet deep.
Deep 2 now looks kinda like a deep-sea oil rig.
You'll spend .5 gigadollars to pull up 1.5 gigadollars
( a new world's record, 30 kilotons of nickel )
and share the profits with the Philippine gov.
You'll also buy those 30 kiloacres in Main for 13 megadollars.
You bought the 30 kilotons of rails too, I assume.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Will you ever fully retire, Dr.Tao ? |
21 Apr 2007 02:15:07 PM |
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Yea I got the 7000 maples ,,cheep and have this 30,000 acres left over
BUt theirs 20 mil a year in pulp 12.000 ton year.
My other 5 lakes 23000 acres on seaside.
I sold 30,000 ton of rail and kept 30,000 ton.
I didnt sell all the rail but I bought it all.
30,000 ton nickel is just the start.
1000 ships 1000 ton each is 1 million ton lost in the berringstrait for
100 million tons of steel.
I filled the uk and usa nickel pigs the last time.
I might get 50 of the 1000 ships from berring strait.
I might get 5000 ton east coast usa.
2500 ton still sits in the mud on the shore of north hudson bay .
Then the oar boat losses nickel caddium .
2 billion bucks in 4 months and dock deep 2 second again.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Logging will kill you someday, Dr. Tongass Giant. |
19 Apr 2007 09:17:35 AM |
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Nothing is too heavey ..to ship
port clinton is a edu town ,,cleveland and toledo are two bigger edu.
The campus on put-in bay is a lake studdy place .
Dont take the monitor ,,take evrything else.
Use one of the hdtv flat screens.
gave 2 mil and evryone that decorates wanted to go nutz ,,
Put a pc in it.
just call the phone co an Ill have it conected in an hour.
ever want a joint or anything ,,they deliver anything any time .
you can call the marina and order dinner evry day for 4 and never ever
pay ..
1 hour a week on the tractor with the mower going is abot 100 bucks.
You will love that tractor.
stay off the interstate but you can drive it anywhere .
seattle is $ 240 round trip air ..
you can pay rent mow 2 hours and fly to seattle as long as you want go
broke ,,get on the plane and fly home .
at $ 100 rent you can travel .
smokes are 50 cent pack direct from the street .
oz BC bud is 125 bucks.
8 bedrooms 2 living rooms
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: If I had 3 megadollars, I'd live in the Tongass. |
18 Apr 2007 04:42:33 AM |
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If I had 3 megadollars, I'd live in the Tongass, idoling my days away,
playing on the computer and, maybe, annoy the natives.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: If I had 3 megadollars, I'd live in the Tongass. |
18 Apr 2007 01:42:51 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_18_1_@Cotse.NET...
If I had 3 megadollars, I'd live in the Tongass, idoling my days away,
playing on the computer and, maybe, annoy the natives.
Yet neither you or Frazir have any money. Shame that.
I would suggest you both took a trip to second life, but neither of you
could afford it.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: If I had 3 megadollars, I'd live in the Tongass. |
18 Apr 2007 04:19:26 PM |
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annoy is not posible.
Its you'd be the one annoyd.
3 mil s easy ..ya call the bank and show them boath ends of your trade
and your budget.
people like you is the reason you can.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: I don't get annoyed. |
18 Apr 2007 04:51:17 PM |
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My trading history is monstrously poor, Dr. Tao,
only matched by how yours is monstrously rich.
So yeah, anyone could make *****-loads of money off idiots like me.
The Red man could not, would not annoy me... I don't get annoyed.
But I might _ Unintentionally _ annoy them.
I don't see many Red men around Seattle, very few.
Do you know a homeless bum named Jerry ( Seattle and Calgary ) ?
His health was very poor, I haven't seen him in years.
He drew things like peace turtles for me.
Another homeless Red man I knew taught me how to feed wild fish.
Ernestine, with family in Alaska, got HIV at age 20.
She wants to kill herself, she does every drug there is, overdosing.
She's quite short. She steals and gets money from her tribe.
Another Red girl I knew live right accross the hall from me,
but the only time she talked to me was the day she moved out.
She also gets money from her tribe and makes costumes for pow-wows.
One Red girl I knew from the computer labs,
she gave us pot and smoked with me and my brother at Portage Bay.
Portage Bay, near the Seattle Yacht Club,
is were I sometimes see Dennis Washington's Daedalus.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: I don't get annoyed. |
19 Apr 2007 01:36:00 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_18_6_@Cotse.NET...
My trading history is monstrously poor, Dr. Tao,
only matched by how yours is monstrously rich.
Reality check time.
So yeah, anyone could make *****-loads of money off idiots like me.
Hmm, by blinding chance, Jeff gets something correct. Will wonders never
cease?
<snip drivel>
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: I don't get annoyed. |
18 Apr 2007 05:41:07 PM |
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you cant annoy a native in the tongass forest.
you be cheep entertainment ..
youd be target practice long befor anyone was annoyed !!
a kid can fire a balistic wad of chew and hit a snowbat.
They never show a pic of the snowbat on line.
Evryone has had a snowbat come near knocking them in the head once but
no one ever got a pic of a snowbat.
alaska snowbat
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: I doubt you could pay the price, T.J. |
14 Apr 2007 09:29:41 PM |
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What's the difference between these " rails ***** scrap metal ",
and the " rails " the buyer wants ? A few phone calles are in order.
But does Hanson know the " lingo " ? no.
You know the " lingo ", T.J., Hanson and I don't.
Hanson probably loves his current job, like I love mine.
But, unlike me, he's a pigeon... Waiting to be fed so he can breed.
You want more shippers, warehousers and international traders ?
Teach the kids... But remember, kids are a royal pain-in-the-*****.
I doubt you could pay the price.
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| User: "hanson" |
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| Title: Re: I doubt you could pay the price, T.J. |
14 Apr 2007 10:06:09 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote to tj frazir
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_14_13_@Cotse.NET...
Hanson and I don't.
[hanson]
ahahaha... Speak for yourself, Jeff. --- hanson travels alone.
I have nothing in common with you except being of the same
gender, speaking the same language and living at times in
your country. --- Of course, if you wanna have the illusion of
being like me, then enjoy it... by all means... ahaha... ahaha...
Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahanson, Raratonga.
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