Science > Physics > The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.
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"Tom Potter" |
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30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM |
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The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
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"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
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As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
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| Title: Re: T.J., If you tell me where this old-growth log is... |
11 Apr 2007 11:00:55 AM |
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On Apr 11, 11:40 am, (tj Frazir) wrote:
Take 6 crew and take Damit Janet the ice breaker .
pull a log out and track it.
pull another 2 it toe them pull another out .
Pull 10 giant logs to japan .
$ 5 million bucks .
50 mile beach in washington.
10 logs ,,I counted 40 in 40 miles.
I stood on one 16 feet wide 210 feet long .
Its pic google too.
Dig under it and wrap the cable around it 30 times and when you pull it
will role to the water.
Thats a fun fucking job too ,,its a blast and 1/2.
Pull 30 inch logs 5 ton each take 20 out at a time just making a chain
so you pulled 1 log off at a time like a chain.
its easy.
100 ton at 200 ton 20,000 if you just went to the mill with the chain.
Things which seem easy working with plastic boats in your
bathtub might not work the same way in real life.
- Randy
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: T.J., If you tell me where this old-growth log is... |
11 Apr 2007 05:42:34 PM |
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I know best because I Pulled my first 1000 ton off in 1980.
I can pull 1000 tons off if I use cables and make a long chain ,,one log
will hit the water at a time.
The chain is stable because the logs pull each other .
Ill drag out 2 miles of 1inch cable and conect cable to log t cable to
log cable log cable log.
100 feet between .
float them out and run threw the deck grinder.
load with the boom .
floating 4x4 tractor with pontoons.
25 hp winch horn.
pull rope to shore ,,pull cable to shore with rope ..pullcables around
beach.
sling up 100 ton and go out to sea with it.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: T.J., If you tell me where this old-growth log is... |
12 Apr 2007 04:13:01 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23568-461D645A-753@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net...
I know best because I Pulled my first 1000 ton off in 1980.
As you are probably pre-pubescent, any attempt of mine to turn that into the
innuendo it is crying out to become would be wasted.
Shame really.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: T.J., If you tell me where this old-growth log is... |
11 Apr 2007 06:00:42 PM |
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In article <23568-461D645A-753@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net>,
(tj Frazir) wrote:
I know best because I Pulled my first 1000 ton off in 1980.
You weren't even born then.
--
Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: T.J., If you tell me where this old-growth log is... |
11 Apr 2007 10:28:34 AM |
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evry 5 miles from vancouver to redwood cal.
some been there 200 years.
they float move up and down the beach time to time.
They stay beached 20 years then float to another spot to beach again .
oaks wallnuts giant squoya
many hardwoods.
BUT a beach full of barkless gray wood isgreat pulp at 760 ton.
170 ton fuel chips 210 ton pulp chips .
$210 ton 2000 ton boat is 400,000 a load.
that chipper cost 30,000 and chips 200 ton 10 hours.
50,000 equipment will load 2000 ton in 10 days.
woodchip trade leads google
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: T.J., If you tell me where this old-growth log is... |
11 Apr 2007 10:29:40 AM |
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evry 5 miles from vancouver to redwood cal.
some been there 200 years.
they float move up and down the beach time to time.
They stay beached 20 years then float to another spot to beach again .
oaks wallnuts giant squoya
many hardwoods.
BUT a beach full of barkless gray wood isgreat pulp at 760 ton.
170 ton fuel chips 210 ton pulp chips .
$210 ton 2000 ton boat is 400,000 a load.
that chipper cost 30,000 and chips 200 ton 10 hours.
50,000 equipment will load 2000 ton in 10 days.
woodchip trade leads google
offer to buy 2000 ton month
180 ton mexico selulouse
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| User: "Mitchell Jones" |
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| Title: Re: If you dont have 3 million your stupid. |
10 Apr 2007 08:53:51 PM |
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In article <9405-461B930C-583@storefull-3217.bay.webtv.net>,
(tj Frazir) wrote:
all you fuckers run your mouths ..up to the put up point.
You worthless fuckers that dont even have 3 million bucks are supper
stupid morons.
Its dont take a week to make 10 million bucks morons SO WHERE THE *****
IS YOUR 3 million ???????
Your so stupid Id post the buyer and seller worth a quick 5 mil to you
BUT YOUR TOO STUPID to call the trade bank and TAKE it.
Ill toss 10 million bucks out in front of you and YOU MORONS are too
stupid to pick it up and deal with it.
I trade 30 days a year if I feal like it .
I traded 30 days one year and the trades are still going so I dont nead
many new trades.
Id stop trading because I cant spend the money I have now BUT IF I dont
trade who will learn how ?
This is the only billionaie trading school.
NO school on earth teatches what I do.
Jeff the pupet was faking trying ..
I know he faked it because HE did not email MY own factorys conections
and I slipped it in his list.
IF it was free smokes jeff would have emailed it.
110 million USD and he froze like Deer on the highway.
That GIANT log is 7 feet wide and just washed onto the beach ,,jeff cant
find 1/2 million bucks.
Its 200 feet long 200 ton log worth 1/2 million bucks and would toe nice
to japan from there.
***{The best way to check the wholesale price of cut lumber is to look
at the nearby futures prices as quoted on the commodity exchanges. Right
now the nearby lumber futures (May) are quoted at $257.80 per 1000 board
feet. (See, for example, http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=CME_LB.K07.) A
board foot is a square of lumber 12 inches on a side and 1 inch thick,
which is 1/12th of a cubic foot. A log 7 feet in diameter and 200 feet
long has a volume of pi(3.5^2)(200) = 7697 ft^3, and contains (7697)(12)
= 92363 board feet. At a price of $257.80/1000 bd-ft, it is worth
$23,811, after it has been cut. That assumes, falsely, that there is no
waste: no bark, no rot, no hollows in the core, no cracks, etc. Special
grades of wood would go higher, but no grade of lumber is going to push
the price of a log lying on the beach up to $500,000, or anywhere close.
In the real world, you would be lucky to get $10,000 for it, and the
cost of hauling it to a lumber mill would come out of that. --MJ}***
HE can just take a pic and saw off a sample and send the pic email to
japan and sell that fucker for 350,000 bucks on the spot.
Jeff could take a pic of a log pile on the beach and sell the log so he
can have it pulled to japan.
jeff dont use his head.
*****************************************************************
If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility
that you are in my killfile. --MJ
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: If you dont have 3 million your stupid. |
10 Apr 2007 09:33:23 PM |
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sell me some chery for pine price stupid.
Pulp is 700 bucks ton $350 ton log value.
Your quoting lumber .
A redwood log is not lumber .
oak is not lumber.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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10 Apr 2007 09:48:51 PM |
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In article <9544-461C48F3-675@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net>,
(tj Frazir) wrote:
sell me some chery for pine price stupid.
Pulp is 700 bucks ton $350 ton log value.
Your quoting lumber .
A redwood log is not lumber .
oak is not lumber.
Shut up loon. Only Relf believes your transparent nonsense.
--
Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Well spoken, Puddleduck. |
10 Apr 2007 10:46:37 PM |
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Hi Puddleduck, You told yourself, " Shut up loon. ".
Well spoken.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 03:56:51 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_19_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Puddleduck, You told me, " Shut up loon. ".
Well spoken.
Jeff, once again, I have corrected your typo for you.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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11 Apr 2007 06:44:14 AM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_19_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Puddleduck, You told yourself, " Shut up loon. ".
Well spoken.
And now Jeff resorts to IKYBWAI.
--
Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "John \C" |
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11 Apr 2007 05:23:29 PM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-6470EC.12441411042007@news.octanews.com...
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_19_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffSRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Puddleduck, You told yourself, " Shut up loon. ".
Well spoken.
And now Jeff resorts to IKYBWAI.
Works for you Gay Duck Varney!
HJ
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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10 Apr 2007 11:27:40 PM |
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On Apr 10, 7:46 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Puddleduck, You told yourself, " Shut up loon. ".
Well spoken.
Isn't it interesting how your entire style of insults has been reduced
to "I know you are but what am I?"
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 03:57:20 PM |
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"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176265660.572856.220450@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 10, 7:46 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Puddleduck, You told yourself, " Shut up loon. ".
Well spoken.
Isn't it interesting how your entire style of insults has been reduced
to "I know you are but what am I?"
Normal people mature with time. Jeff on the other hand...
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: If you dont have 3 million your stupid. |
10 Apr 2007 10:13:04 PM |
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Pix Pulp Benchmark
Address:http://www.foex.fi/pix.asp
Thats no bark and pre soft tolet paper quality on the beach.
Thats better then free too.
The state will pay 4 bucks.
trade bank will back it.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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10 Apr 2007 09:47:05 PM |
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sell me some chery for pine price stupid.
Pulp is 700 bucks ton $350 ton log value.
Your quoting lumber .
A redwood log is not lumber .
oak is not lumber.
try 100,000 board feet at $ 5 Bf.
thats $ 500,000 buck at 5 bucks a board foot.
The one I posted is on olimpic beach washington.
That log is worth 250,000 bucks.
I saw 2 giant sequoya down on redwood beach near redwood cal. and they
are 1/2 mil each.
chery logs off the beach is 450 cents bf.
wallnut off the beach is 7 bucks.
1000 BF is 2 ton $ 2500 ton. $5000 per 1000bf.
cmb.
1000 ton at 250 cent bf is 1 million bucks.
pine is 50 cents , white,oak is 5 bucks.
chery is 3 to 8 bucks bepending on how nice .
Not evry log on the beach should be tolet paper. allot of good
hardwoods is allso on the beach.
giant sequoya is 23 bucks BF .
rosewood is 4 inch dia stick 3 feet long for 50 bucks.
if its worthless its worth chip price so grind it.
fuel chips in japan is 170 ton.
Pulp chips is 210 japan.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 03:57:57 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:9545-461C4C29-110@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
sell me some chery for pine price stupid.
Do your parents know you are still posting this nonsense?
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| User: "Mitchell Jones" |
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11 Apr 2007 02:06:10 AM |
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In article <9545-461C4C29-110@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net>,
(tj Frazir) wrote:
sell me some chery for pine price stupid.
Pulp is 700 bucks ton $350 ton log value.
***{Wood pulp is the product of a lengthy, complex, and expensive
manufacturing process that leads, ultimately, to the production of
paper. (See, for example,
http://www.nybot.com/education/brochuresPublications/files/pulpfinal.pdf.
) Wood is the raw material that is input to that process, and the cost
of the wood has about as much to do with the cost of the wood pulp as
the cost of a ton of hematite has to do with the cost of a ton of steel.
Nobody in his right mind would expect to charge as much for a ton of
wood as he would charge for a ton of wood pulp, any more than such a
person would try to sell a ton of hematite for the same price as a ton
of steel. --MJ}***
Your quoting lumber .
A redwood log is not lumber .
oak is not lumber.
try 100,000 board feet at $ 5 Bf.
***{Redwood is more expensive nowadays, due to "environmentalist" regs,
but it is nowhere near *that* expensive. Redwood paneling (1x6's) can be
bought at retail for $1.39 per linear foot (which is about $2.80 per
board foot), after the uncut logs have been hauled to a mill, rough-cut,
graded, sanded, polished, and transported to a retail lumber yard. (For
example, see http://www.buffalo-lumber.com/wood-paneling.htm.) The
retailer would pay the wholesaler half of that or less ($1.40, say), and
the wholesaler would pay half of that or less ($0.70, say) for uncut
logs, depending on their quality. Yet you are claiming that there is a
sucker somewhere who would pay $5 per board foot for an uncut redwood
log that happened to wash up on a beach!
You need to wake up and become self-critical, so that you can delete the
nonsense before it gets posted, TJ.
That won't happen, of course. Once a human gets stuck in a rut, he stays
there until he dies. (It's real sad! :-)
--Mitchell Jones}***
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If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility
that you are in my killfile. --MJ
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Mitchell_Jones, try 12 dollars a board foot. |
11 Apr 2007 03:55:30 AM |
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Hi Mitchell_Jones, You told yourself, " You need to wake up
and become self-critical, so that you can delete the nonsense
before it gets posted, Mitchell_Jones.
That won't happen, of course. Once a human gets stuck in a rut,
he stays there until he dies. ( It's real sad! :-) ".
No ***** Sherlock ! T.J. is going to get a laugh out of you.
T.J. told you, " try 100,000 board feet at $ 5 Bf. "
and you replied, " Redwood paneling (1x6's) ... "
Paneling ? how much redwood is in paneling ? how thin is the veneer ?
Quoting from " www.OldGrowthTimbers.COM/frequently_asked_questions.htm ",
" Redwood timber prices are from $ 2.25 to $ 10.00 per board foot. ".
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" A query of redwood mills up and down the California coast for
dry, 7 grain per inch, clear heart 12 x 12's yielded this response:
'' $ 12.00 a board foot ''. ".
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Mitchell_Jones, try 12 dollars a board foot. |
12 Apr 2007 04:04:45 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_3_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Mitchell_Jones, You told yourself, " You need to wake up
and become self-critical, so that you can delete the nonsense
before it gets posted, Mitchell_Jones.
Another Relfian IKWYABWAI.
It is just like being back in primary school.
That won't happen, of course. Once a human gets stuck in a rut,
he stays there until he dies. ( It's real sad! :-) ".
No ***** Sherlock ! T.J. is going to get a laugh out of you.
Doubt it. However he is having one major chuckle at you.
T.J. told you, " try 100,000 board feet at $ 5 Bf. "
and you replied, " Redwood paneling (1x6's) ... "
Paneling ? how much redwood is in paneling ? how thin is the veneer ?
Quoting from " www.OldGrowthTimbers.COM/frequently_asked_questions.htm ",
" Redwood timber prices are from $ 2.25 to $ 10.00 per board foot. ".
...
" A query of redwood mills up and down the California coast for
dry, 7 grain per inch, clear heart 12 x 12's yielded this response:
'' $ 12.00 a board foot ''. ".
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: If you dont have 3 million your stupid. |
11 Apr 2007 10:13:14 AM |
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Lets TEST it then .
Post in pulp trade leads >>redwood trade leads..goggle .
11 giant squoya logs off the beach less then 100 years on the beach $ 1
millioneach
200 ton each .
lets see how many people offer to take them for 10 million.
They wount last 30 days.
I ran a 4 wheeler all day and found 40 of them.
The ones the house boats sit on are the same thing and were cut down
100 years ago and float in salt or fresh .
Japan will buy evry one of them.
I can post a list of jap buyers to bid ..
drive downthe beach and take a pic and number each log.
Cut a sample ..
no one is dragging it away or cutting it up its your log if you can
float it off.
test the log at 1000 bucks a ton.
test the log at 2000 bucks a ton.
IF IM testing a market..
Ill sell a car in the paper for 10,000 again at 15000 and again untill
no one calls.
when they stop calling it stops selling at that price.
I ask 10,000 and sold it because I paid 4000.
I could have sold it for 5000 but some one wanted to pay 10,000.
YOU cant predict the market with out science.
So use science and test it..
and 1 deal makes you rich and your testng in the real market ..
I dont nead tto buy that 5000 car.
Its on the lot for 5000..
Ill put it in the paper for 7000 and sell that fucker off the lot and
make 2000 without spending anything.
I fucking did that once.
I sold the fucker in another city.
200 miles away you could bet a car cheep.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: If you dont have 3 million your stupid. |
11 Apr 2007 09:56:14 AM |
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redwood pannels are 3/8 and they get 4 out of an inch .
But thats 19 inch stumps.
The bigger the stump the bigger the bf price.
Like wine.
Of couse Im talking about oak wallnut cherry on the beach .
BUT none of that matters because a mechanical refactory is 100,000 bucks
and does 110 ton 8 hours.
Nothing you can stone mill off the beach is less then pulp price $ 760
ton .
you can pull out a 6 year old price
BUT 1000 BF is 3 ton redwood.
Thats pulp price then they want for redwood lumber 19 inch or less
stumps.
You can buy oak for 70 cent bf logs .
Yo can buy aged brown english oak off the beach for $ 12 bf.
The board color bleached is better with SOME age .
500 bucks a ton 1000 ton is 500,000 bucks.
5 days grinding on deck .
Ship cost 300,000 and 100,000 upgrade.
100,000 more fob refactory.
25000 fuel to jap and back to OLIMPIC BEACH washington.
3 summer loads 1.5 mil.
OH ***** thats easyer money then a crab boat .
take a long cable .. and 30 long smaller cables and conect end to end
and drag 200 ton 2 days grainding out to sea with ya 20 miles.
No bark no nails ..sea soft logs .
2 ton log makes 1 ton pulp.
100 ton pulp day .
440 diesel mecanical refacto.
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| User: "Ben Newsam" |
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11 Apr 2007 05:08:34 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:56:14 -0400, (tj
Frazir) wrote:
redwood pannels are 3/8 and they get 4 out of an inch .
That's a neat trick. Tell me how that works again... how do you get
twelve eighths out of an inch?
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: If you dont have 3 million your stupid. |
11 Apr 2007 05:52:21 PM |
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They keep 1 bad side .
oak board 1 inch is 1 1/4 inch.
Thats a 1 inch board befor plainer 2 sides.
You dont think we waist andything ?
I ve 100 band blades 4 inch x 30 feet fo 1/2 inch floor boards up to 12
inch neck .
12 inch slab feeder.
I have a 300 foot track 2 truck wheel band saw with up to 12 foot wide
stump.
I cut a redwood in 1/2 inch slabs and glued playwood to the back so it
wount crack.
left the center beam 18 x 32 140 feet long.
Panneles went 20 bucks a foot.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:05:41 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23568-461D66A5-754@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net...
They keep 1 bad side .
oak board 1 inch is 1 1/4 inch.
Hahahahahahaha.
Thats a 1 inch board befor plainer 2 sides.
You dont think we waist andything ?
I ve 100 band blades 4 inch x 30 feet fo 1/2 inch floor boards up to 12
inch neck .
12 inch slab feeder.
I have a 300 foot track 2 truck wheel band saw with up to 12 foot wide
stump.
I cut a redwood in 1/2 inch slabs and glued playwood to the back so it
wount crack.
left the center beam 18 x 32 140 feet long.
Panneles went 20 bucks a foot.
More Frazir-goodness.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: T.J. vs T. " Perfect Vacuum " Wake |
13 Apr 2007 01:39:40 AM |
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Hi T_Wake,
T.J. makes redwood panels that sell for 20 bucks a square foot.
Why is that so hard for you to believe ? Is it because your life
is the closest thing to a perfect vacuum that nature can create ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: T.J. vs T. " Perfect Vacuum " Wake |
13 Apr 2007 06:54:18 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_12_14_@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake,
T.J. makes redwood panels that sell for 20 bucks a square foot.
Why is that so hard for you to believe ?
Because it is untrue.
Is it because your life
is the closest thing to a perfect vacuum that nature can create ?
Nope.
I still think it is cute how you try these little attempts at insults in the
subject line. Well done.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: If you dont have 3 million your stupid. |
11 Apr 2007 06:14:55 PM |
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driftwood.jpg
Address:http://www.iam.ubc.ca/facilities/cluster/images/driftwood.jpg
Changed:3:13 PM on Monday, October 21, 2002
170 ton fuel chips ,,
120 ton on jap dock is a good deal.
1000 ton is 120,000 bucks .
No chipping ,,just load it for 100 bucks a ton.
10,000 ton in view
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:09:06 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23568-461D6BEF-756@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net...
driftwood.jpg
Address:http://www.iam.ubc.ca/facilities/cluster/images/driftwood.jpg
Changed:3:13 PM on Monday, October 21, 2002
170 ton fuel chips ,,
120 ton on jap dock is a good deal.
1000 ton is 120,000 bucks .
No chipping ,,just load it for 100 bucks a ton.
10,000 ton in view
http://www.iam.ubc.ca/facilities/cluster/
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