Science > Physics > The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.
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"Tom Potter" |
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30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM |
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The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
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"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
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As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
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| Title: Re: Revenues reflect " popularity ". |
10 Apr 2007 10:48:31 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
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Hi Amicus_Curious, Revenues reflect " popularity ".
If a gigadollar is one vote ( per year ),
then Hewlett-Packard got 92 votes, IBM got 91,
Wal-Mart got 345, Safeway got 40, MicroSoft got 44 and Google got 11.
But if a gigadollar is a bean, then they never had a full meal.
You really are off the rails, aren't you?
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Socialism protects the weak and unpopular. |
11 Apr 2007 02:26:44 AM |
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Hi T_Wake, You confessed to yourself,
" You really are off the rails, aren't you ? ".
No ***** Sherlock ! You want to kill yourself.
You take depression medication. How's that for discernment ?
Dollars are votes.
Capitalism is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Socialism protects the weak and unpopular.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:29:09 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake, You confessed to yourself,
" You really are off the rails, aren't you ? ".
Hi Jeff,
Your typos are getting over the top now.
Can you go back and re-read the message you are trying to reply to. This
makes it look like you are a six year old throwing out a IKWYABWAI in the
school yard.
And we all know you would never do that.....
No ***** Sherlock ! You want to kill yourself.
You take depression medication. How's that for discernment ?
Do I? Blimey, can you tell me where it is in my house please? I seem to have
forgotten all about it.
Dollars are votes.
Capitalism is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Socialism protects the weak and unpopular.
And you are an idiot.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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11 Apr 2007 06:45:25 AM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi T_Wake, You confessed to yourself,
" You really are off the rails, aren't you ? ".
No ***** Sherlock ! You want to kill yourself.
You take depression medication. How's that for discernment ?
Dollars are votes.
Capitalism is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Socialism protects the weak and unpopular.
Yet again jeff goes from a to b to wtf.
--
Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "Rick" |
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11 Apr 2007 07:58:56 AM |
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Jeff…Relf wrote:
Hi T_Wake, You confessed to yourself,
" You really are off the rails, aren't you ? ".
No ***** Sherlock ! You want to kill yourself.
You take depression medication. How's that for discernment ?
Dollars are votes.
Capitalism is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Socialism protects the weak and unpopular.
Repeating that tripe doesn't make it true.
--
Rick
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Revenues reflect " popularity ". |
10 Apr 2007 01:40:08 PM |
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, T Wake
<usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com>
wrote
on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:48:31 +0100
<dYGdnbuqHKBNLIbbRVnyuwA@pipex.net>:
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_4_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Amicus_Curious, Revenues reflect " popularity ".
If a gigadollar is one vote ( per year ),
then Hewlett-Packard got 92 votes, IBM got 91,
Wal-Mart got 345, Safeway got 40, MicroSoft got 44 and Google got 11.
But if a gigadollar is a bean, then they never had a full meal.
You really are off the rails, aren't you?
Off his meds? Off the wagon? Off the wall?
:-)
BTW...where did the exchange rate "1 gigadollar per vote"
come into existence? ***** Gephardt paid $600 or so every
primary vote, for example; that's probably the worst this
past Presidential election.
Bush paid $1.14 billion for 2004, to John Kerry's $1.08 billion.
Bush got 62040610 votes; Kerry 59028111.
That works out to $18.37506/vote for bush, and
$18.29637/vote for Kerry.
Might as well take each voter out for a sandwich; it might be cheaper.
:-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2004#Election_results
(Crossposted and followups set to talk.politics.misc.)
--
#191,
Linux. Because Windows' Blue Screen Of Death is just
way too frightening to novice users.
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| User: "John Bailo" |
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10 Apr 2007 11:54:26 AM |
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Jeff…Relf wrote:
Hi Amicus_Curious, Revenues reflect " popularity ".
If a gigadollar is one vote ( per year ),
then Hewlett-Packard got 92 votes, IBM got 91,
Wal-Mart got 345, Safeway got 40, MicroSoft got 44 and Google got 11.
Based on European Revenues alone, Linux/OSS got 38 votes. And that's
just one continent...so I'd say it's safely on the way to being the true
International candidate.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: " Linux/OSS " is neither a company nor an OS. |
11 Apr 2007 01:42:57 PM |
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Hi John_Bailo, " Linux/OSS " is neither a company nor an OS,
much less a " candidate " to replace XP or Vista.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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11 Apr 2007 01:45:51 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_8_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi John_Bailo, " Linux/OSS " is neither a company nor an OS,
much less a " candidate " to replace XP or Vista.
Shut up loon.
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Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Puddleduck, Who's stopping you ? |
11 Apr 2007 02:41:23 PM |
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Hi Phineas_T_Puddleduck, You told yourself, " Shut up loon. ".
Go for it dude, Who's stopping you ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:30:10 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_10_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Phineas_T_Puddleduck, You told me, " Shut up loon. ".
I am sorry, I am pathetic and I cant help myself.?
I fixed your typos again.
You don't have to thank me.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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11 Apr 2007 02:09:20 PM |
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jeff?Relf
<Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM>
wrote
on 11 Apr 2007 18:42:57 GMT
<Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_8_@Cotse.NET>:
Hi John_Bailo, " Linux/OSS " is neither a company nor an OS,
much less a " candidate " to replace XP or Vista.
Linux is an OS -- the purest form of OS one can think of.
The equivalent of the Linux kernel in Windows would be
NTOSKRNL.EXE, or some variant thereof. (Curiously, this
file is not directly referenced in boot.ini, so I for one
wonder as to how the Windows parts fire up.)
Of course most distros add a lot of other stuff to Linux,
such as boot loaders, libraries, The X Window System,
and either or both of KDE and Gnome and a lot of utility
programs, all of them third party (as far as Linux is
concerned, anyway). That's what one might call OSS. :-)
You're right in that there's no company that owns Linux
(the Linux trademark -- for Linux the kernel -- is owned
by Linus). But that's a detail.
As for replacing Vista -- an interesting question.
Linux qua Linux can't replace Vista any more than
a brain can replace an entire person. However, one
can certainly attempt a replacement of Vista (if only
in one's own computer) using any of a large number
of Linux-centered distros.
--
#191,
Useless C++ Programming Idea #889123:
std::vector<...> v; for(int i = 0; i < v.size(); i++) v.erase(v.begin() + i);
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| User: "Rick" |
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10 Apr 2007 02:34:53 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:51:14 +0000, Jeff…Relf wrote:
Hi Amicus_Curious, Revenues reflect " popularity ".
If a gigadollar is one vote ( per year ), then Hewlett-Packard got 92
votes, IBM got 91, Wal-Mart got 345, Safeway got 40, MicroSoft got 44 and
Google got 11.
Well, they aren't one vote.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes. |
10 Apr 2007 06:50:28 PM |
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Hi Rick, A gigadollar is is lightyears beyond a ballot.
That's the genius of capitalism.
The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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10 Apr 2007 06:57:16 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_14_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Rick, A gigadollar is is lightyears beyond a ballot.
That's the genius of capitalism.
The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes.
You are actually becoming more incoherent with each post.
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Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "" |
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11 Apr 2007 02:10:52 AM |
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_14_@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff?Relf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Rick, A gigadollar is is lightyears beyond a ballot.
That's the genius of capitalism.
The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes.
You are actually becoming more incoherent with each post.
What? Jeff makes perfect sense. Let me explain:
It's all very simply really... there are lightyears of socialist
ballots between each gigadollar of capitalist genius votes. It's
all been arranged by the weasels after all. They pre-cache the
radish cannons with synaptic modalities. As long as you remember
to hyper-actualize your long term chanting circle, you should have
no problem extending that paradigm into the sandwich dimension.
.... just a minute, the acid is wearing off ... I need a few more
hits and then I can finish explaining it all. ;)
Later,
Thad
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:31:39 PM |
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<thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com> wrote in message
news:evi1ls$2au$1@tux.glaci.com...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Phineas T Puddleduck
<phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_14_@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff?Relf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Rick, A gigadollar is is lightyears beyond a ballot.
That's the genius of capitalism.
The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes.
You are actually becoming more incoherent with each post.
What? Jeff makes perfect sense. Let me explain:
It's all very simply really... there are lightyears of socialist
ballots between each gigadollar of capitalist genius votes. It's
all been arranged by the weasels after all. They pre-cache the
radish cannons with synaptic modalities. As long as you remember
to hyper-actualize your long term chanting circle, you should have
no problem extending that paradigm into the sandwich dimension.
... just a minute, the acid is wearing off ... I need a few more
hits and then I can finish explaining it all. ;)
I have read this about five times now, and I am still giggling.
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| User: "Ben Newsam" |
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11 Apr 2007 09:08:19 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:10:52 +0000 (UTC),
thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com wrote:
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_14_@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff?Relf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Rick, A gigadollar is is lightyears beyond a ballot.
That's the genius of capitalism.
The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes.
You are actually becoming more incoherent with each post.
What? Jeff makes perfect sense. Let me explain:
It's all very simply really... there are lightyears of socialist
ballots between each gigadollar of capitalist genius votes. It's
all been arranged by the weasels after all. They pre-cache the
radish cannons with synaptic modalities. As long as you remember
to hyper-actualize your long term chanting circle, you should have
no problem extending that paradigm into the sandwich dimension.
... just a minute, the acid is wearing off ... I need a few more
hits and then I can finish explaining it all. ;)
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan.....
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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11 Apr 2007 09:33:05 AM |
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[snips]
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:10:52 +0000, thad01 wrote:
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_14_@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff?Relf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Rick, A gigadollar is is lightyears beyond a ballot.
That's the genius of capitalism.
The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes.
You are actually becoming more incoherent with each post.
What? Jeff makes perfect sense. Let me explain:
It's all very simply really... there are lightyears of socialist
ballots between each gigadollar of capitalist genius votes. It's
all been arranged by the weasels after all. They pre-cache the
radish cannons with synaptic modalities. As long as you remember
to hyper-actualize your long term chanting circle, you should have
no problem extending that paradigm into the sandwich dimension.
... just a minute, the acid is wearing off ... I need a few more
hits and then I can finish explaining it all. ;)
I'm trying to figure out if I should feel good that the above makes
absolutely no sense... or frightened by the fact that, despite this, it
still makes more sense than Relf's comments...
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes. |
10 Apr 2007 11:45:39 PM |
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In sci.physics, Jeff?Relf
<Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM>
wrote
on 10 Apr 2007 23:50:28 GMT
<Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_14_@Cotse.NET>:
Hi Rick, A gigadollar is is lightyears beyond a ballot.
That's the genius of capitalism.
The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes.
You are extremely confused. Capitalism is an economic system.
Ballots are associated with political systems -- in our case,
a democratically-elected republic, commonly (though not quite
correctly) termed a democracy, at least as far as the House
and Senate go; the Presidency is a three-stage process,
where we elect electors in the Electoral College -- after
the contenders are selected using party primaries.
To be sure, there is some "bleedover" -- Bush Jr. spent
$1.1B or so in his 2004 reelection campaign.
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#191,
Linux makes one use one's mind.
Windows just messes with one's head.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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11 Apr 2007 09:36:48 AM |
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3 million millionaires vote with coperate cash and turned usa into a
corperate fascis police state
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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11 Apr 2007 10:09:05 AM |
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In article <24830-461CF280-742@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net>,
(tj Frazir) wrote:
3 million millionaires vote with coperate cash and turned usa into a
corperate fascis police state
And yet if we believe what you claim, you are as much part of the
problem!
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Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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11 Apr 2007 03:02:24 AM |
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Hi Ghost, You're deluded if you think that
the ballot box carries more weight than the almighty dollar.
Dollars are votes.
Capitalism is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Socialism protects the weak and unpopular.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:32:27 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_1_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Ghost, You're deluded if you think that
the ballot box carries more weight than the almighty dollar.
You didnt read his post.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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12 Apr 2007 05:19:39 PM |
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, T Wake
<usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com>
wrote
on Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:32:27 +0100
<H8-dne5EtObxOIPbnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@pipex.net>:
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_1_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Ghost, You're deluded if you think that
the ballot box carries more weight than the almighty dollar.
You didnt read his post.
Maybe not, but he does have a point. Dollars can buy
votes. If nothing else, politicians can bribe individual
people saying "vote for me and I'll give you $1000".
This is probably illegal but there are subtler methods
-- "a chicken in every pot" (thanks to Herbert Hoover)
is arguably a bribe, although presumably he meant it
regarding food distribution to the poor in 1928. Of
course it became slightly meaningless -- or maybe far
more meaningful -- after Black Tuesday (1929-10-29).
And of course a blizzard of ads near the end of a campaign
can spell disaster for the opponent -- or the sender.
These ads cost money, and up the price for media time.
Money greases the skids, but it also corrupts them.
--
#191,
Useless C++ Programming Idea #8830129:
std::set<...> v; for(..:iterator i = v.begin(); i != v.end(); i++)
if(*i == thing) {...}
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| User: "Rick" |
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11 Apr 2007 07:56:24 AM |
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Jeff…Relf wrote:
Hi Ghost, You're deluded if you think that
the ballot box carries more weight than the almighty dollar.
Dollars are votes.
Capitalism is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Socialism protects the weak and unpopular.
Socialism forces the productive to support the lazy.
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Rick
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| User: "flyer" |
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| Title: Re: The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes. |
11 Apr 2007 03:50:30 AM |
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In article <jo5ue4-1g8.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net>,
ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net says...
In sci.physics, Jeff?Relf
<Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM>
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on 10 Apr 2007 23:50:28 GMT
<Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_10_14_@Cotse.NET>:
Hi Rick, A gigadollar is is lightyears beyond a ballot.
That's the genius of capitalism.
The genius of socialism is in how it puts people before votes.
You are extremely confused. Capitalism is an economic system.
Ballots are associated with political systems -- in our case,
a democratically-elected republic, commonly (though not quite
correctly) termed a democracy, at least as far as the House
and Senate go; the Presidency is a three-stage process,
where we elect electors in the Electoral College -- after
the contenders are selected using party primaries.
To be sure, there is some "bleedover" -- Bush Jr. spent
$1.1B or so in his 2004 reelection campaign.
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#191,
Linux makes one use one's mind.
Windows just messes with one's head.
Hi Ghost,
Man, responding to this little fascist loon is like embracing a sewer.
If you plonked it we would not have to read what it said.
Sometimes I feel a need to counter their lies and raw insanity, but
ignoring them in their mental basements seems to work best.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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11 Apr 2007 04:22:41 AM |
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Hi Flyer, Dollars are votes.
Capitalism is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Socialism protects the weak and unpopular.
For example... Many in Seattle have bad-***** mental problems.
They'll burn down your house, steal your car and your bike...
Just so they can have their next hit.
No one will rent to such people, not even the state.
You may be a " little fascist loon ", but I most certainly am not.
I have *****-all to do with the government.
In fact, I'm famous for saying,
" If Jesus were alive today he'd be nailed to the cross again
by the same gang of law-obsessed, inhumane government stooges.
So I stay '' judgement proof ''. ".
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| User: "T Wake" |
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12 Apr 2007 04:33:25 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_5_@Cotse.NET...
In fact, I'm famous for saying...
.... nothing of any value, or even any sense.
I fixed your post for you.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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11 Apr 2007 06:46:40 AM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_11_5_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
I have *****-all to do with the government.
In fact, I'm famous for saying,
You're not famous for anything other then being probably the most easily
taken in idiot usenet has ever seen.
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Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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