Science > Physics > The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.
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Science > Physics |
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"Tom Potter" |
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30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM |
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The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
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"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
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As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
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| Title: Re: I love Seattle and the Tongass, more than anywhere else. |
17 Apr 2007 03:49:56 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_16_6_@Cotse.NET...
Wow, your million acre forest is in the Tongass, Native land.
And your workers, 5 crews of 10 each, live near Seattle
and take 5 boats out to log 'em.
Your mill, the fourth largest in the world, is on your land.
Man, that's hitting close to home.
I love Seattle and the Tongass, more than anywhere else.
Those fuckers, your crew, are just too damn lucky.
Gullibility overload.....must....contain....the....forces......
No, it is too late. The universe is doomed.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: I love Seattle and the Tongass, more than anywhere else. |
16 Apr 2007 11:33:42 PM |
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I dont load 3500 trucks to get a load on.
It dont cost me 14 bucks a ton to get my log to my mill.
95,000 ton I paid 1 mil harvest and mil.
plus the boat 4 mil new 400,000 year .
ALL the electric is hydraelectric and is electric converted to cash.
I make the best tolet paper on the planet.
I let the pessure off as quick as I slammed it in and that soft log
expands like a cooked hot dog.
145,000 ton tolet paper at $ 1800 ton besides 300,000 ton pulp at $ 500
per ton.
My contract is $ 500 I stay under market because they slapped 165
million down so I could buy the forest.
But I make more money per ton then evryone else. I still produced
better for less and made the most money per ton because I got it on the
ship without 3500 trucks per ship and pulp refined fuckin cheep .
you wouldnt think 5 million for a chamber was cheep much less a row of
10 of them.
70 ton log each chamber.
epa golden star ..not much water and few chemicals to get a fluff .
I tested in small chambers first.
I tryed microwave ,,ovens ,
toss it in the sea green load it and compress it to 1000 psi and that
green gets cooked .
if you cook a log long enouph in water it will fall apart.
A turkey
A turkey gets done in 3 minutes at 1000 psi .
It fell off the boan and was the jucyest bird I ever ate .
I ask him how many loads hat turkey sat in and he said 1 load the
turkey cooked off the boan in 10 minutes when the door opened.
its a pressure cooker .
10 inch steel tank 12x80 .
15 inch thick door
900 ton tank.
hits 1500 psi and simmers 3 minutes at 1000 psi .
I had keriboo out of the cooker.
The biggest popcorn I ever saw.
I wrap tolet paper in a vaccume to dry it.
Its alleady hot and the roller adds heat so I dont use the queeze dry
rollers it sucks ai into the roller and vaccumes out the water.
That way I dont smash the tolet paper dying it.
and only 1/2 turn of the roller has vaccume I blow it off the roller at
one point and its a 30 foot roller 40 feet wide sheet craft white *****
paper.
it runs threw the hang dryer loop timmer spicer and just befor role
wrapers its slotted to make sheets and sliced and banks wide and runs to
the role wrappers 1 pallet wide roles befor single roles get cut..
hard pressed nonblached pulp tubes pressed dryed are wrapped pallet
long and cut into roles then run down a packing line and bagged.
100 % automated .
feed it and fix it.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: T.J.'s " popcorn " machines. |
17 Apr 2007 05:42:48 AM |
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Wow, you designed/created ten 1.5 kilo P.S.I. pressure cookers,
with 15 inch thick doors and 70 ton capacities, 5 megadollars each.
And they make huge puffs of popcorn when you pop the pressure off.
So it's E.P.A. Golden Star, using far less chemicals/water.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Deposit $ 3'600'000 ifrom buyers quote moron Hansonucks |
16 Apr 2007 07:07:05 PM |
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Why ohwhy wount hansonutsa trade >?
Hanson about worthless lives off his wife.
He has no backboan above his week knees.
Shinny things get under the tree early december if you trade in
november.
1 ,, yer a poor *****..
2 ,, fed gov biult trade bank so poor ***** like you make some money .
3 ,, no reason yer a worthless puke other then your ingnorant and
stupid.
You dont nead credit ,,you dont morgage anything and you dont play with
you own money idiot.
A ,,,you use the banks money..
B ..you use the buyers money .
B secures money with A and U traded.
U put the 3.6 mil in your account ..
U have some balls and real all the pages I post and get it done or else
you wount see no 3.6
ever.
You should do 5 million twice a day for a month just to biuld a method
of search.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Are you at the helm when you go hunting for buyers, T.G. ? |
16 Apr 2007 10:17:50 PM |
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Are you at the helm when you go hunting for buyers, T.G. ?
Or are you on a couch in your penthouse ?
Or do you use a lazy-boy recliner ? Are you using the 90 inch screen ?
Wouldn't stereo goggles ( with good air flow ) be better ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Are you at the helm when you go hunting for buyers, T.G. ? |
17 Apr 2007 03:50:59 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_16_9_@Cotse.NET...
Are you at the helm when you go hunting for buyers, T.G. ?
Who is TG?
Or are you on a couch in your penthouse ?
Or do you use a lazy-boy recliner ? Are you using the 90 inch screen ?
Wouldn't stereo goggles ( with good air flow ) be better ?
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Are you at the helm when you go hunting for buyers, T.G. ? |
17 Apr 2007 10:20:45 PM |
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at the helm ..Im best out at sea with no distractions with a joint and
coffee.
its the match game so I use a vcr and record buyers and sellers to help
me relocate a match.
then its just read one market then another market and another.. the more
you see the more matches you find.
Your only looking for 25 to 50cents but can find a buck when your
lucky.
stick to basic ***** ,,chicken , copper ,
if you can profit 20 cent pound on 20,000 ton do it.
evry 5 million bucks you make adds up.
do that 20 times in a month and you into some cash.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: The Native ( Mohawk ) Warrior Society. |
18 Apr 2007 06:11:48 AM |
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Do you want the Tongass to become a " Red Nation ", T.G. ?
Note, You mentioned this " Red Nation " here:
www.DiscoverVancouver.COM/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=146114
Here's the flag of " The Mohawk Warriors Society ":
www.AllStates-Flag.COM/fotw/images/c/ca_mo-ws.gif
www.AllStates-Flag.COM/fotw/flags/ca_mohak.html
Quoting Suzanne Fournier ( )
in " The Vancouver Province ", March 9, 2007, Vancouver B.C.:
www.Canada.COM/theprovince/news/story.html?id=a6c83a52-952b-4231-a6cc-4ae24328ac3e&k=43544
'' The Native Warrior Society took credit yesterday for
cutting down the Olympic flag at Vancouver City Hall
" in honour " of elder Harriet Nahanee.
Three figures wearing black balaclavas [ a.k.a. " hoodies " ]
are shown in front of what appears to be
the flag that hung at city hall, in a photo and statement
e-mailed from " hunter killer " and signed by the society.
They are holding a red Mohawk flag and a photo of Nahanee,
who they describe in their statement as
" our elder-warrior who was given a death sentence by the B.C. courts
for her courageous stand in defence of Mother Earth. "
Nahanee, 71, died at St. Paul's Hospital on Feb. 24,
a month after she was sentenced to 14 days in jail
for protesting against the destruction of
the Eagleridge Bluffs for an Olympics-related project,
the expansion of the Sea-to-Sky Highway.
Friends of Nahanee warned B.C. Supreme Court Justice Brenda Brown
when Nahanee was sentenced on Jan. 24 that
she was ill with flu and had severe asthma.
Nahanee, who said in court that she considered the bluffs to be
unceded native land, served nine days at the Surrey Pre-Trial Centre,
where lawyer Lyn Crompton says she suffered
" racist " and rough treatment.
Nahanee's death provoked widespread outrage,
from West Vancouver matrons who protested with her
to young native activists, some of whom wore
combat boots and camouflage gear while fighting tears at her funeral.
The Native Warrior Society statement says that early on Tuesday
" we pried open the access panel on the pole with a crowbar and,
using a bolt-cutter, cut the metal cable/halyard inside,
causing the flag to fall to the ground. "
" We stand in solidarity with all those fighting
the destruction caused by the 2010 Olympic Games, "
says the statement, concluding with the slogan
" No Olympics on Stolen Native Land. "
Const. Tim Fanning said " the photo and the statement will be
part of the ongoing investigation. "
Members of the society were seen with black face paint
and a similar Mohawk flag at a recent melee with Vancouver police,
leading to several arrests,
when the Olympic countdown clock was unveiled downtown.
In August 2005, two Native Warrior Society leaders were
arrested in Vancouver in connection with a gun seizure.
No charges were laid
and the guns were found to have been legally obtained.
Tewanee Joseph, executive-director and CEO of
the Four Host First Nations Secretariat, said
his group respects the individual's right to protest
" but to do it peacefully and respectfully is very important as well. "
International Olympic Committee official Rene Fasel,
in Vancouver for meetings with Olympic organizers,
said he was disappointed by the theft of the flag.
" It's totally illegal, " he said.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: The Native ( Mohawk ) Warrior Society. |
19 Apr 2007 08:48:30 AM |
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I bought my million acres stole from my people back .
Im gona end thee oil age and drop most of the rich old fuckers in the
soup line.
if you want to beet the basterds you must use thier own clubs.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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19 Apr 2007 01:35:06 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12184-4627732E-154@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
I bought my million acres stole from my people back .
Im gona end thee oil age and drop most of the rich old fuckers in the
soup line.
if you want to beet the basterds you must use thier own clubs.
Hey, Frazir, that voice in the distance is your mother calling you. It is
time for school.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: You make paper, Dr. Tao, I code for printers. |
20 Apr 2007 08:19:43 PM |
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You know, Dr. Tao, Seattle was about gold, trees, ships and planes
before it became the technology capital of the world.
The Tongass Giant will evolve the same way, I bet.
Programmers can be anywhere in the world,
so why not do it from the coastal mountains of the Tongass region ?
You make paper, I code for printers... think about it.
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| User: "hanson" |
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| Title: Re: Deposit $ 3'600'000 into my account or stop loud-mouthing, tj |
16 Apr 2007 10:56:31 AM |
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[Frazir]
news:6-46203683-268@storefull-3212.bay.webtv.net...
whats 30,000 X $ 150 profit ??
450,000 profit.
[hanson]
I wanna do business with you, tj.
I'll give you another 450'000 on top of your "450,000 profit"
But you must let me have the rest of that "30,000 X $ 150 profit"
Deal?
If yes, then deposit (30'000*150)-900'000 = $ 3'600'000 in my CH account.
Thanks for the laughs, Billionaire... mostly air-tj... ahahahaha... ahanson
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23915-46212C92-370@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
Ill help ya ,,Im not holding your hand .
[hanson]
tj, I didn't ask you to hold my hand nor do I need your help.
I asked you to put up or shut up in/on/about this issue:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/cd08a153a1790ff8
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21366-46218578-340@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
How much you worth hanson ?
[hanson]
tj, don't fish, weasel and welch. Besides, tj, that is none of your biz.
But: Deposit $ 3'600'000 into my account or stop loud-mouthing, tj.
This here is at issue. Here it is again for your benefit:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/cd08a153a1790ff8
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote to Relf in message
news:21296-46219F26-471@storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net...
whats hanson worth ?
[hanson]
.... ahahaha... why are you fishing at Jeff's now, tj? ahaha...
Since when do you, tj, have to rely on Jeff for info?
How should Jeff know?... ahahaha.. AHAHAHA...
[Frazir]
hanson wount disscuss the deal.
[hanson]
tj, are you on the sauce tonight and sucking on your reefers again?
Here, once more, is the deal I have discussed:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/cd08a153a1790ff8
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21367-4622A624-72@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
Its 3.6 mil up for grabs stupid.
[hanson]
OK then, Very good, tj. I'll grab it. As per deal, below.
Now deposit $ 3'600'000 into my account or stop loud-mouthing, tj
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:25601-46239603-640@storefull-3217.bay.webtv.net...
Funny hanson ?
Its not my 3.6 million stupid ITS YOURS.
[hanson]
OK, very good, tj.
Now deposit the $ 3'600'000 into my account or stop loud-mouthing, tj
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| User: "hanson" |
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| Title: Re: Deposit $ 3'600'000 into my account & stop smoking pot, tj |
17 Apr 2007 04:18:59 PM |
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[Frazir]
news:6-46203683-268@storefull-3212.bay.webtv.net...
whats 30,000 X $ 150 profit ??
450,000 profit.
[hanson]
I wanna do business with you, tj.
I'll give you another 450'000 on top of your "450,000 profit"
But you must let me have the rest of that "30,000 X $ 150 profit"
Deal?
If yes, then deposit (30'000*150)-900'000 = $ 3'600'000 in my CH account.
Thanks for the laughs, Billionaire... mostly air-tj... ahahahaha...
ahanson
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23915-46212C92-370@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
Ill help ya ,,Im not holding your hand .
[hanson]
tj, I didn't ask you to hold my hand nor do I need your help.
I asked you to put up or shut up in/on/about this issue:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/cd08a153a1790ff8
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21366-46218578-340@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
How much you worth hanson ?
[hanson]
tj, don't fish, weasel and welch. Besides, tj, that is none of your biz.
But: Deposit $ 3'600'000 into my account or stop loud-mouthing, tj.
This here is at issue. Here it is again for your benefit:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/cd08a153a1790ff8
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote to Relf in message
news:21296-46219F26-471@storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net...
whats hanson worth ?
[hanson]
... ahahaha... why are you fishing at Jeff's now, tj? ahaha...
Since when do you, tj, have to rely on Jeff for info?
How should Jeff know?... ahahaha.. AHAHAHA...
[Frazir]
hanson wount disscuss the deal.
[hanson]
tj, are you on the sauce tonight and sucking on your reefers again?
Here, once more, is the deal I have discussed:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/cd08a153a1790ff8
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21367-4622A624-72@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
Its 3.6 mil up for grabs stupid.
[hanson]
OK then, Very good, tj. I'll grab it. As per deal, below.
Now deposit $ 3'600'000 into my account or stop loud-mouthing, tj
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:25601-46239603-640@storefull-3217.bay.webtv.net...
Funny hanson ?
Its not my 3.6 million stupid ITS YOURS.
[hanson]
OK, very good, tj.
Now deposit the $ 3'600'000 into my account or stop loud-mouthing, tj
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21366-46240780-605@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
Whats hanson worth ??
[hanson]
We heard that excuse from you before (see above)
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhys...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28290-437A0F8A-53@storefull-3217.bay.webtv.net...
"Callffffff calllffff , Im sick , some one role me a joint !"
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21366-46240780-605@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
I locked my self in ... and smoked a joint ...
[hanson]
Nothing new, Pot head-tj. We heard that one too from you before.
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21366-46240780-605@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
Then I thought ,,Hanson's way more fucked up..
"Callffffff calllffff , Im sick , some one role me a joint !"
[hanson]
No, you were not thinking... you tried to get off the hook.
But all your cussing and pot-smoking aint gonna do that.
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21368-46240C84-16@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
im 52 . im 52 .im 52 .im 52 .im 52 .im 52 .im 52 .
"Callffffff calllffff , Im sick , some one role me a joint !"
[hanson]
..... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... no, you are stoned, not 52, tj.
52 is the age of your son Troy... ahahahaha... AHAHA...
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21368-46240C84-16@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net...
Ill spend 200 million make 100 million.
"Callffffff calllffff , Im sick , some one role me a joint !"
[hanson]
ahahaha... No, stop that, tj, that's bad biz, ... Besides, before
you do that, tj, remember the deal and your obligation to me:
Deposit $ 3'600'000 into my account or stop loud-mouthing, tj
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:25601-462442BB-757@storefull-3217.bay.webtv.net...
Id have posted the math wrong to ***** with hanson
"Callffffff calllffff , Im sick , some one role me a joint !"
[hanson]
..... ahahaha... another cheap and stoned attempt from you
old geezer, trying to get off the hook.... No sale, tj!... ahaha..
You can't even remember how this started. Go and read
at the top again, where I barged in and took you to task.
Now stop feeling so embarrassed and getting so stoned:
remember the deal and fulfill your obligation to me. Simply
**** "Deposit the $ 3'600'000 into my CH account, tj. ****
ahahaha.... ahahahanson
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| Title: Re: Deposit $ 3'600'000 into my account or stop loud-mouthing, tj |
16 Apr 2007 06:32:16 PM |
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Poor hanson is so retarted he cant comprehend a petty 4 million bucks.
Whats hanson worth ??
Ill bet he rents !! HA HA
I locked my self in my penthouse with the forward view of the castel
on italys west shore and smoked a joint ..
some nutz road up the hill to thee castel dressed as a night on a horse
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Then I was smokin a roach still lookin at the castel thinking about the
dumbass on the horse and 20 or so more idiots road up on horses .
Its a fucking TV show tapping .
I thought sumtin was a but fucked up..thought it was just me ..
Then I thought ,,Hanson's way more fucked up.. that poor stupiid jackass
DONT even have 3 million bucks.
Thats like going thew life stupid.
A billionaire screams at morons and even posted 150 million buyer and
sellers and the bank and its a fuckin shame these fuckheads waisted
thier time and did not make anything because they are too stupid to
read.
yer just to0 stuoid to trade jacko
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17 Apr 2007 03:51:33 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Poor hanson is so retarted he cant comprehend a petty 4 million bucks.
Whats hanson worth ??
About the same as you.
Ill bet he rents !! HA HA
You will when you are old enough to leave home.
I locked my self in my penthouse with the forward view of the castel
on italys west shore and smoked a joint ..
some nutz road up the hill to thee castel dressed as a night on a horse
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Then I was smokin a roach still lookin at the castel thinking about the
dumbass on the horse and 20 or so more idiots road up on horses .
Its a fucking TV show tapping .
I thought sumtin was a but fucked up..thought it was just me ..
Then I thought ,,Hanson's way more fucked up.. that poor stupiid jackass
DONT even have 3 million bucks.
Thats like going thew life stupid.
A billionaire screams at morons and even posted 150 million buyer and
sellers and the bank and its a fuckin shame these fuckheads waisted
thier time and did not make anything because they are too stupid to
read.
yer just to0 stuoid to trade jacko
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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16 Apr 2007 07:17:27 PM |
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Ignorance is not the same thing as stupidity, Dr. " Tongass Giant " Tao.
We all have different histories... Each plays a different game.
No one is stupid just because he's different.
Hanson says you're bad at math ( or so he hopes ).
And you make wild claims about your engines,
with no third-party reports of a test-drive.
Speaking of our professions... I'm considering full retirement,
and the streets of Seattle are where I'd rather be.
I don't know why, perhaps because it's more interesting.
I don't have any savings and mooching off relatives
and/or friends ( like you ) doesn't appeal to me.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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16 Apr 2007 10:44:59 PM |
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Id have posted the math wrong to ***** with hanson ..big ego-must-corect
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IF god hands you a gift and you waist it its your igorant stupidity is
it not ?
YOU people have a few things the poor dont have .
NO ONE else in your town knows the trade lead pages exsist .
NO one you know knows the import export bank exsist or about the 187
billion you qualifie to barrow from.
No one you know WILL post the buyer and sellers .
OH no its NOT a level playing field at all.
when billionaires try to give you money ,,we slide easy kick ***** deals
in front of you and let you make your self rich.
I would not deprive you of the ego and self construction of who you
are and not let you endure the trade you self.
Should hand out money I make trading or let you do the trade and
stand on your own feet.
Ill point out the buyer and seller and show a profit ,,a profit bigger
then all the money you ever made in an hour.
20 mil 45 mil...as much as you have the nerve to handle.
1 BILLION coal order if you have the balls to make 300 million .
290 million profit .
Im not punching my calculator unless some one wants to work.
500 ton trade lead. google ..
Ill find tuna tuna tuna Oh yellow fin in veitnam
1.14 pound frozen pg.
500 ton
500 ton trade lead...as small as 500 ton.
5000 ton trade leads google ..
25000 ton trade leads google .
100,000 ton trade leads aluminum
73 cent russian east
138 cent usa
5000 toncopper india
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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17 Apr 2007 02:34:36 PM |
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You, T.G., wrote: " IF god hands you a gift and you waste it,
it's your igorant stupidity is it not ?
YOU people have a few things the poor don't have. ".
You're the only one here with the arbitrage skills,
developed over decades.
I don't test prices in remote markets and exploit the difference.
After I moved to Seattle from Utah in 1988
I no longer wanted my 4 year old Subaru hatchback.
There was no place to park and I much prefered walking.
But I didn't want the hassle of selling it
so I just gave it to one of my girl friends.
Once, when I bought a car from my brother's friend, a rich dude,
I actually let him start at a low price and talk me _ Up _ !
That's right, I " negotiated " a higher price,
just so I could pay the rich dude more !
That's why you're rich and I'm not.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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17 Apr 2007 03:55:39 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_17_4_@Cotse.NET...
You, T.G., wrote: " IF god hands you a gift and you waste it,
it's your igorant stupidity is it not ?
YOU people have a few things the poor don't have. ".
You're the only one here with the arbitrage skills,
developed over decades.
I don't test prices in remote markets and exploit the difference.
After I moved to Seattle from Utah in 1988
I no longer wanted my 4 year old Subaru hatchback.
There was no place to park and I much prefered walking.
But I didn't want the hassle of selling it
so I just gave it to one of my girl friends.
Once, when I bought a car from my brother's friend, a rich dude,
I actually let him start at a low price and talk me _ Up _ !
Jeff, I am almost crying too much to type.
There is so much here I dont know where to start.
Please, do everyone (including yourself) a favour and kill yourself.
That's right, I " negotiated " a higher price,
just so I could pay the rich dude more !
That's why you're rich and I'm not.
Are you talking about the real world or Frazir's fantasy?
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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17 Apr 2007 05:20:33 PM |
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Are you trying to recruit suicide bombers, T_Wake ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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18 Apr 2007 01:42:04 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_17_6_@Cotse.NET...
Are you trying to recruit suicide bombers, T_Wake ?
Only if the bomber is you and you promise to detonate yourself far away from
any other living human.
Your reading comprehension is actually getting worse now. Are your
medications running out?
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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17 Apr 2007 05:23:53 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_17_6_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Are you trying to recruit suicide bombers, T_Wake ?
What?
I say it again, for emphasis.
WHAT?
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within. Coffee boy to the
rich and famous
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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17 Apr 2007 02:40:08 PM |
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On Apr 17, 3:34 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
That's why you're rich and I'm not.
Or not.
- Randy
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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16 Apr 2007 09:09:52 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_16_5_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Speaking of our professions... I'm considering full retirement,
and the streets of Seattle are where I'd rather be.
I don't know why, perhaps because it's more interesting.
So you're about to be made homeless then - and now claiming its
VOLUNTARY?
--
Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: We all have a limited set of choices. |
16 Apr 2007 09:52:49 PM |
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I don't want to work anymore, not really.
I've been semi-retired since 1988, age 28.
I have no savings or pension, so my options are:
1. Live on the streets of Seattle, perhaps in shelters or squats.
2. Mooch off T.G. ( the Tongass Giant ) or my family,
I like # 1.
Nothing is totally " VOLUNTARY ", we all have a limited set of choices.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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17 Apr 2007 03:52:53 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_16_8_@Cotse.NET...
I don't want to work anymore, not really.
I've been semi-retired since 1988, age 28.
I have no savings or pension, so my options are:
1. Live on the streets of Seattle, perhaps in shelters or squats.
2. Mooch off T.G. ( the Tongass Giant ) or my family,
I like # 1.
Nothing is totally " VOLUNTARY ", we all have a limited set of choices.
You seem to have a different understanding of voluntary than I do.
You do have at least one other choice - why don't you just kill yourself?
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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17 Apr 2007 06:41:37 PM |
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Repeating himself ad nauseam,
T_Wake gazed in the mirror and pecked out:
" Why don't you just kill yourself ? ".
Is this just for T_Wake, or is he recruiting suicide bombers ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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18 Apr 2007 01:41:17 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_17_9_@Cotse.NET...
Repeating himself ad nauseam,
T_Wake gazed in the mirror and pecked out:
" Why don't you just kill yourself ? ".
Is this just for T_Wake, or is he recruiting suicide bombers ?
You seem to have misread my post. It is ok, you do it a lot. Why don't you
go back to Google groups and read it again.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: We all have a limited set of choices. |
17 Apr 2007 12:24:40 AM |
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100 buck month is no hand out.
Its a nice house with lights on heat and air cable ,, its on anyway .
treat the house by keeping it clean because its nice ,,has a wookshop
..views and year around colege and lots of people .
port clinton ohio aira .
I own 10000 acres near and clevlend cliffs foundry I use to keep my cars
in.
boat for lake ,,youd nead to redo the tags expired on the skido jet boat
..
100 is all you can afford .
keep your bank ..1 mile away .
4 days trailways 181 bucks .
ship evrything for 100 bucks.
first month free ,,you got 200 to live on .
next month 100 bucks you live on 400 bucks.
port clinton is just lke seattle ,,exsactly miniture and more freindy .
You can stand outside the bars and get stoned.
You can boat party .
The pigs drive ye drunk ***** home not to jail.
yer a rich kid in edu or rich upper class tourest
and pigs dont ***** with the rich in the playgrounds.
The place is a playground.
bars cars boats tits and bikes .
any order you can handle.
summer in the islands is off th hook.
biggest bars on the planet.
burbon street has 15 bars and is a bar mall all inside .
the cages in water works .
cedar point amuzment park is best on earth.
canada 40 miles by boat.
floating ultralight airplane ..in the garrage use it.
its the 3 sea because Im big I flew that around allot for a month .
Think it was 25000 bucks ,,
pawn it id give a *****,
your own house 100 bucks month .
that keep people out of it.
some day if left empty ,,you could watch all of them from there ..
the club rents them and they party cook out and boat .
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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16 Apr 2007 11:52:44 PM |
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get on a bus 181 bucks.
ship your pc and *****.
rent 100 bucks
first month free.
lakeside near the islands .
eire
you install you own phone .
value of the place is about 2 mil.
I have a property list 10 inches thick.
about 7 years ago i spent a winter up at the islands ,,a solid 2 months
on dry land and bought evry house that could see me from shore.
The realer rents them out by the week but Ill let you have one for 100
bucks a month .
the best one ,,on the waterfront .
Ill never see it again anyway .
ill let my kids sell them some day.
good place to stash money anyway.
They went up sharp in 7 years.
rent on one 100,000 house is 1500 week .
4 millon buck house on the island is worth 15 mil now but I sold the
island to the club.
they dont want me to sell the houses .
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