Science > Physics > The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons.
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"Tom Potter" |
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30 Mar 2007 11:43:07 PM |
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The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
As can be seen by their intensity and their methods,
the small gang that profits from General Relativity
is very concerned that the public is becoming aware of
the costs to society of General Relativity.
No doubt, General Relativity is the model of choice,
if one wants to design a time travel machine,
or warp through space machine,
or create worm holes,
or speculate on things beyond man's
capacity to ever experience in time and space,
BUT
if one wants to design things like computers, bridges, mechanisms,
engines,
communications systems and *** GPS Systems ***,
General Relativity is an enormous waste of time, money and resources.
Although any competent systems engineer KNOWS that
General Relativity is not, and was not, essential to the GPS system,
the same small gang that profits
in reputation and income from General Relativity
constantly make such a claim.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/wrong.html
"GTR isn't working in the GPS": this simply isn't so; see these
papers.
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121
Introducing Relativity in Global Navigation Satellite Systems
Authors: J.-F. Pascual-Sanchez
(Submitted on 28 Jul 2005 (v1), last revised 13 Dec 2006 (this
version, v3))
Abstract: Today, the Global Navigation Satellite Systems, used as
global positioning systems, are the GPS and the GLONASS. They are
based on a Newtonian model and hence they are only operative when
several relativistic effects are taken into account. The most
important relativistic effects (to order 1/c^2) are: the Einstein
gravitational blue shift effect of the satellite clock frequency
(Equivalence Principle of General Relativity) and the Doppler red
shift of second order,
due to the motion of the satellite (Special Relativity).
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html
The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic
clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position
and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional
frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting
for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work.
Note that the GTR charlatans constantly try to con the masses into
thinking
that the effects of distance (Hubble Effect),
velocity (Doppler Effect),
and acceleration (Galileo Effect)
on the frequency of oscillating systems,
are General Relativity effects.
So far, I haven't seen any effort on their part
to claim the GTR must be used to compensate for
temperature, humidity, jerk, snap, crackle and pop effects.
As can be see from reading Chris Hillman's web site,
he aggressively attacks General Relative critics PERSONALLY,
rather than simply demonstrate a few cost effective uses of GTR.
One would think that if the GTR promoters possessed
such powerful, esoteric knowledge, that they would use their
knowledge to make a few billion dollars in the free market,
and they would not have be on the taxpayer's dole.
Note that in trying to discredit GTR critics,
Chris Hillman used the word "crank" more than thirty times,
and used the Web site of an unemployed computer programmer,
who took some data processing classes at a third rate California
college,
as his main reference.
Regarding Chris Hillman's statement:
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"The Politics of Anti-Science
In my view, antiscientific activity by organized political pressure
groups has nothing to do with science or reason.
Rather, such activity is motivated by power and fear.
Fear:
On the one hand, some people fear (sometimes correctly, often not)
that science is somehow directly "contradicting"
the validity of their religious or philosophical convictions, and this
has led some religious groups
to condemn such cornerstones of modern science as the theory of
evolution
and the standard Hot Big Bang model of cosmology,
preferring to stick to the literal truth of the creation story told in
the Bible,
or in more subtle ways to dispute the role of science as an arbiter of
"natural truth".
Power:
Science is universally respected, even by those who fear it, and with
good reason:
almost every citizen of the "developed world" recognizes
that nowadays common citizens live better than kings of old
because of the benefits of technology which grew out of basic
scientific research.
Scientists (and mathematicians) have almost become secular demigods,
and it should be no surprise that those religious and political
groups
which are hostile to science but which do not dare to condemn
scientific activity altogether,
have tried to co-opt scientific theories by claiming that these
theories
somehow "prove" the validity of their religious or political beliefs.
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As can be seen by the logical fallacies used by Chris Hillman
in his efforts to discredit GTR critics,
the GTR gang is motivated by "power and fear"
(And the taxpayer's money),
and although "Science is universally respected",
charlatans who pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge
and cannot demonstrate this in the free market,
ARE NOT.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
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| User: "Kent Paul Dolan" |
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| Title: Re: The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
11 Apr 2007 12:42:40 PM |
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"Tom Potter" <tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
Fortunately, yours remains entirely safe
from either waste or use, over there in
your other suit.
I take it your goal in life is to be the
alpha Time Wasting Moron among all Time
Wasting Morons, those With whom Scott
Adams recommends we Avoid Meetings.
Your posting serves no possible useful
purpose.
xanthian.
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| User: "Tom Potter" |
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| Title: Re: The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons. |
06 May 2007 12:09:32 AM |
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On Apr 11, 8:42 pm, "Kent Paul Dolan" <xanth...@well.com> wrote:
"Tom Potter" <tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
Fortunately, yours remains entirely safe
from either waste or use, over there in
your other suit.
I take it your goal in life is to be the
alpha Time Wasting Moron among all Time
Wasting Morons, those With whom Scott
Adams recommends we Avoid Meetings.
I am pleased to see that "Kent Paul Dolan"
continues to be a faithful reader of my posts,
and that he agrees that mental masterbation newsgroups like
talk.bizarre, alt.atheism, alt.kook, and
useless models like General Relativity
consume the time, money and minds of
"alpha Time Wasting Moron<s> among all Time
Wasting Morons, those With whom Scott
Adams recommends we Avoid Meetings."
Hopefully "Kent Paul Dolan" will encourage others to think about
how General Relativity compares to other models.
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
I noticed in the news in the last few days,
that the DNA model was recently used to develop
a new form of rice that will prevent 500,000 children
from going blind EVERY YEAR,
and was used to convert blood types,
and that people with rare blood types will have a safe
supply of blood in the future,
and was used to prove 10,000 accused rapists were innocent,
and was used to determine that chickens are closely related to
dinosaurs,
and to possibly save Anna Nicole Smith's baby from becoming shark
bait.
As can be seen Newton's, Maxwell's and the DNA model
are being used daily **in the free market** in "fruitful" ways,
while as can be seen from the recent Gravity Probe B reports,
General Relativity continues to waste billions of the taxpayer's
dollars
on experiments designed to rationalize it,
using numerous Classical Physics hacks to compensate for
electric and magnetic effects, friction, windage,
metal creep, pressure, the atmosphere, nearby masses, etc.
General Relativity is more of a religion,
and it wastes enormous amounts of time, money and minds
on such things as time travel, worm holes, space warps,
gravity waves, rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
Although insecure, immature people embrace General Rrelativity,
and fanaticize about unlimited travel in space and time,
and about meeting Scott Adams and strange LGMs,
rational, intelligent folks know that:
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
May the Farce be with you "Kent Paul Dolan"!
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Did Galileo know about " ( 1 - v^2 / c^2 )^-.5 " and c's invariance ? |
03 Apr 2007 11:58:36 PM |
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Hi Tom_Potter,
Did Galileo know about " ( 1 - v^2 / c^2 )^-.5 " and c's invariance ?
As I just old Kenseto...
The easiest way to understand General Relativity is
to think in terms of time and energy.
When sync'ing G.P.S. birds with our network of terrestial clocks,
the photons fall into the gravity well, blue-shifting
( i.e. they get more energetic, with shorter wavelengths ) and
the centrifugal force ( in the opposite direction ) red-shifts them
( i.e. they get less energetic, with longer wavelengths ).
Net, the photons blue-shift.
The blue-shifted photons alter the S.I. meter and second.
General Relativity models energies and shifting standards,
accounting for distances, densities, pressure, centrifugal force, etc.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: G.R., S.R. and calculus must be used to determine the blue/red shifts. |
04 Apr 2007 12:24:22 AM |
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Jeff…Relf, A Individual.NET
.02, X_Ba, Apr 3, 2007, 9.58 P, BRi7j2
By the way, Tom_Potter,
Not only did Galileo _ Not _ know about " ( 1 - v^2 / c^2 )^-.5 "
and c's invariance... he didn't even own a clock !
G.R., S.R. and calculus must be used to determine the blue/red shifts.
Alone, Newtonian physics is off by a factor of 2.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: G.R., S.R. and calculus must be used to determine the blue/red shifts. |
04 Apr 2007 12:31:15 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_3_11_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Jeff…Relf, A Individual.NET
.02, X_Ba, Apr 3, 2007, 9.58 P, BRi7j2
By the way, Tom_Potter,
Not only did Galileo _ Not _ know about " ( 1 - v^2 / c^2 )^-.5 "
and c's invariance... he didn't even own a clock !
G.R., S.R. and calculus must be used to determine the blue/red shifts.
Alone, Newtonian physics is off by a factor of 2.
Shut up Jane. Better go practise panhandling.
--
Painius admits he cannot answer a single question to NB:
"Yes, you're right of course, NB. And they get very useless very quickly.
I shall do my best to ignore them, as you wish."
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| User: "Don Stockbauer" |
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04 Apr 2007 01:47:31 PM |
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On Apr 4, 11:31 am, Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_3_...@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff=C5=A0Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Jeff=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=A6Relf, A Individual.NET
.02, X_Ba, Apr 3, 2007, 9.58 P, BRi7j2
By the way, Tom_Potter,
Not only did Galileo _ Not _ know about " ( 1 - v^2 / c^2 )^-.5 "
and c's invariance... he didn't even own a clock !
G.R., S.R. and calculus must be used to determine the blue/red shifts.
Alone, Newtonian physics is off by a factor of 2.
Shut up Jane. Better go practise panhandling.
--
Painius admits he cannot answer a single question to NB:
"Yes, you're right of course, NB. And they get very useless very quickly.
I shall do my best to ignore them, as you wish."
"Mommy, why did the Humans go extinct?"
"Why, Lil Darling, it was because of their endless bickering and
fighting."
"What could they have done to save themselves?"
"Merely not treat each other like *****."
"Oh. Back into the dark closet for the afternoon for me?"
"Yes, my little demon child. Enjoy."
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| User: "Don Stockbauer" |
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04 Apr 2007 06:54:20 AM |
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On Apr 4, 1:24 am, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Jeff...Relf, A Individual.NET
.02, X_Ba, Apr 3, 2007, 9.58 P, BRi7j2
By the way, Tom_Potter,
Not only did Galileo _ Not _ know about " ( 1 - v^2 / c^2 )^-.5 "
and c's invariance... he didn't even own a clock !
G.R., S.R. and calculus must be used to determine the blue/red shifts.
Alone, Newtonian physics is off by a factor of 2.
Too bad physics is such a tiny piece (a local system) of all human
knowledge (the general system).
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Physical processes determine absolutely everything. |
04 Apr 2007 06:05:30 PM |
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Hi Don_Stockbauer,
Physical processes determine absolutely everything.
As I just told Puddleduck....
Einstein was a very clear writer who
often spoke of " Universal Causation ".
From Einstein's " The World As I See It " ( 1949 )
quoted at " EinsteinAndReligion.COM/sciencereligious.html ":
" But the scientist is possessed by
the sense of --> universal causation <-- . The future, to him,
is every whit as necessary and determined as the past. ".
From Einstein's, " Ether and the Theory of Relativity " ( 1920 )
quoted at " TUHH.DE/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html ":
" But this ether may not be thought of as
endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media,
as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time.
The idea of motion may not be applied to it. ".
Einstein, on the loss of his old friend, quoted at :
" SpeakingOfFaith.PublicRadio.ORG/programs/einsteinsgod/unheardcuts.shtml ":
" People like us, who believe in physics, know that
the distinction between past, present, and future is
only a stubbornly persistent illusion. ".
Hawking said:
" In relativity,
there is no real distinction between the space and time coordinates,
just as there is no difference between two space coordinates. ".
Hawking said:
" In summary, the title of this essay was a question,
'' Is Everything Determined ? '' The answer is yes, it is.
But it might as well not be,
because we can never know what is determined. ".
Quoting Petkov's,
" Is There an Alternative to the Block Universe View ? ",
at " Philsci-Archive.Pitt.EDU/archive/00002408/ ":
" This paper pursues two aims.
First, to show that the block universe view, regarding the universe as
a timelessly existing four-dimensional world,
is the only one that is consistent with special relativity.
Second, to argue that special relativity alone can resolve
the debate on whether the world is
three-dimensional or four-dimensional.
The argument advanced in the paper is that
if the world were three-dimensional
the kinematic consequences of special relativity and more importantly
the experiments confirming them would be impossible. ".
Quoting Scientific American's
" That Mysterious Flow " article ( Sep 2002 ),
at " Urgrue.ORG/lib/mysterious-flow.html ":
" From the fixed past to the tangible present to the undecided future,
it feels as though time flows inexorably on.
But that is an illusion. ".
Quoting, " Plato.Stanford.EDU/entries/time/#8 ":
" According to The 4D View,
temporally extended objects have temporal parts,
temporal extension is perfectly analogous to spatial extension... ".
Quoting, " WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Block_time ":
" Block time is one way of approaching
the problem of the nature of time.
It builds on the fact that
time can be modelled as a dimension in physics,
to give time a similar ontology to that of space.
This would mean that time is just another direction,
that future events are '' already there '',
and that there is no objective flow of time.
Its name is derived from its description of
space-time as an unchanging four-dimensional '' block '',
as opposed to the common-sense view of the world as
a three-dimensional space modulated by
the passage of time ( which is technically know as presentism ). ".
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| User: "Don Stockbauer" |
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| Title: Re: Physical processes determine absolutely everything. |
04 Apr 2007 08:33:20 PM |
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On Apr 4, 7:05 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Don_Stockbauer,
Physical processes determine absolutely everything.
Yep, but complexity theory states that since the Universe has evolved
creatures with free will one cannot predict their actions
deterministically, thus the uncertainty of the future.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: I say the Universe is knowable. |
05 Apr 2007 08:57:36 AM |
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Hi Don_Stockbauer, I say the Universe is knowable, you claim... no...
you _ hope _ it's not.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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05 Apr 2007 11:27:30 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_5_6_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Don_Stockbauer, I say the Universe is knowable, you claim... no...
you _ hope _ it's not.
Poor Relf---Jeff,
The only way you can try to refute other people's posts is with a lame,
childish, revisions like this.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: We cling to ingnorance like dope fiends cling a needle. |
05 Apr 2007 09:21:30 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, I read between the lines, paraphrasing.
You can't read the lines, much less what's between them.
We cling to ingnorance like dope fiends cling a needle.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: We cling to ingnorance like dope fiends cling a needle. |
06 Apr 2007 11:49:29 AM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_5_11_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi T_Wake, I read between the lines, paraphrasing.
You can't read the lines, much less what's between them.
We cling to ingnorance like dope fiends cling a needle.
You certainly do.
--
Painius admits he cannot answer a single question to NB:
"Yes, you're right of course, NB. And they get very useless very quickly.
I shall do my best to ignore them, as you wish."
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: We cling to ingnorance like dope fiends cling a needle. |
06 Apr 2007 11:32:40 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:21:30 +0000, Jeff…Relf wrote (in
Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_5_11_@Cotse.NET):
Hi T_Wake, I read between the lines, paraphrasing. You can't read the
lines, much less what's between them.
This may be true. In this reality, though, the fact is you think you are
"reading between the lines" but you are actually just completely missing
the point.
You demonstrate the reading comprehension of a somewhat backwards six
year old.
We cling to ingnorance like dope fiends cling a needle.
Speak for yourself.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: We cling to ingnorance like dope fiends cling a needle. |
06 Apr 2007 11:55:40 AM |
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In article <pan.2007.04.06.16.32.40@gishpuppy.com>,
T Wake <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:21:30 +0000, Jeff…Relf wrote (in
Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_5_11_@Cotse.NET):
Hi T_Wake, I read between the lines, paraphrasing. You can't read the
lines, much less what's between them.
This may be true. In this reality, though, the fact is you think you are
"reading between the lines" but you are actually just completely missing
the point.
You demonstrate the reading comprehension of a somewhat backwards six
year old.
I hope his writing improves when it comes to making his "will code for
food" sign.
--
Painius admits he cannot answer a single question to NB:
"Yes, you're right of course, NB. And they get very useless very quickly.
I shall do my best to ignore them, as you wish."
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Visual C++ coder for hire. |
06 Apr 2007 08:21:11 PM |
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Hi Puddleduck, " Will code for food. ", you say ?
I could go to the freeway entrances/exits where the cars queue
and hold up a sign, " Visual C++ coder for hire. ".
But, unless my professor retires,
I'll likely have enough work to get by.
I won't get evicted if I don't allow anyone in my room.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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07 Apr 2007 04:43:22 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_6_4_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Puddleduck, " Will code for food. ", you say ?
Will you go away?
I could go to the freeway entrances/exits where the cars queue
and hold up a sign, " Visual C++ coder for hire. ".
Please do. Try standing in the middle lane to do this.
But, unless my professor retires,
I'll likely have enough work to get by.
Yeah, typing must take you forever.
I won't get evicted if I don't allow anyone in my room.
Please, lock yourself out as well.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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06 Apr 2007 08:26:14 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_6_4_@Cotse.NET>,
JeffŠRelf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Puddleduck, " Will code for food. ", you say ?
I could go to the freeway entrances/exits where the cars queue
and hold up a sign, " Visual C++ coder for hire. ".
But, unless my professor retires,
I'll likely have enough work to get by.
I won't get evicted if I don't allow anyone in my room.
I give it TWO weeks.
--
Painius admits he cannot answer a single question to NB:
"Yes, you're right of course, NB. And they get very useless very quickly.
I shall do my best to ignore them, as you wish."
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Visual C++ coder for hire. |
07 Apr 2007 12:28:14 PM |
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Jeff…Relf wrote:
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I could go to the freeway entrances/exits where the cars queue
and hold up a sign, " Visual C++ coder for hire. ".
[snip]
Jeff…Relf: "Colonic diverticula muncher for hire."
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
Hey Relfie-boy, are you self-funding?
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Visual C++ coder for hire. |
07 Apr 2007 04:27:55 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message =
news:4617D4AE.297CB9EC@hate.spam.net...
[snip river of *****]
Clueless fuckin' imbecile, beta cannot be derived.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Morons/UncleStooopid.htm
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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08 Apr 2007 02:58:47 AM |
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Hi Uncle_Al, You asked me, " are you self-funding ? ".
What are you asking ? I have 95 dollars in cash and no assets.
I'm getting cash advances in anticipation of future work.
Thinking I'd be living on Fearless Johnny, I blew 800 dollars on a dog.
My homeless " friends " have raised my rent from 250 dollars a month
to 430 ( plus 10-day notices to " comply, vacate or get evicted " ).
I've resolved to have no vistors,
as I can't really monitor what they do.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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08 Apr 2007 03:56:04 AM |
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On Apr 7, 11:58 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Uncle_Al, You asked me, " are you self-funding ? ".
What are you asking ? I have 95 dollars in cash and no assets.
I'm getting cash advances in anticipation of future work.
Thinking I'd be living on Fearless Johnny, I blew 800 dollars on a dog.
My homeless " friends " have raised my rent from 250 dollars a month
to 430 ( plus 10-day notices to " comply, vacate or get evicted " ).
This remains the single most - when the context is known - funny thing
I have ever read on USENET.
You are an idiot who makes stupid choices. You *still* think TJ is
telling the truth, which is utterly hilarious.
I've resolved to have no vistors,
as I can't really monitor what they do.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: I'm fine. |
08 Apr 2007 04:53:31 AM |
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Hi Gisse, I expected something for nothing and I paid the price.
I cared for the homeless and, again, I paid the price.
I think T.J. owns/operates large ships/barges, you don't... B.F.D.
As I explained in " news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_8_3_@Cotse.NET ", I'm fine.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: I'm fine. |
08 Apr 2007 12:13:22 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_8_4_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Gisse, I expected something for nothing and I paid the price.
I cared for the homeless and, again, I paid the price.
I think T.J. owns/operates large ships/barges, you don't... B.F.D.
As I explained in " news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_8_3_@Cotse.NET ", I'm fine.
Only if you spell clueless, f..i..n..e..
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: I'm fine. |
08 Apr 2007 04:02:25 PM |
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On Apr 8, 1:53 am, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Gisse, I expected something for nothing and I paid the price.
I cared for the homeless and, again, I paid the price.
I think T.J. owns/operates large ships/barges, you don't... B.F.D.
Why do you think TJ is anything but a kid using his parent's WebTV?
As I explained in "news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_8_3_@Cotse.NET", I'm fine.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: I'm fine. |
08 Apr 2007 05:34:02 PM |
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"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176066145.753153.260100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 8, 1:53 am, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Gisse, I expected something for nothing and I paid the price.
I cared for the homeless and, again, I paid the price.
I think T.J. owns/operates large ships/barges, you don't... B.F.D.
Why do you think TJ is anything but a kid using his parent's WebTV?
Because Jeff is pathologically retarded. For some reason _anything_ Frazir
says is treated as gospel, but anything anyone else says has to be defended
to the hilt.
Nothing like a good set of double standards.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: I'm fine. |
08 Apr 2007 07:12:52 PM |
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In article <epSdnXlnb_tH8ITbRVnyvAA@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176066145.753153.260100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 8, 1:53 am, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Hi Gisse, I expected something for nothing and I paid the price.
I cared for the homeless and, again, I paid the price.
I think T.J. owns/operates large ships/barges, you don't... B.F.D.
Why do you think TJ is anything but a kid using his parent's WebTV?
Because Jeff is pathologically retarded. For some reason _anything_ Frazir
says is treated as gospel, but anything anyone else says has to be defended
to the hilt.
Nothing like a good set of double standards.
I think its all tied up to him being a missionary. He seems to have
mentally divided the world into good and evil, a pure binary split with
no shades of grey, and decided who is on what side.
As he is on the side of good, he feels he can do what he wants -
standards and his treatment of them seem symptomatic of that.
--
Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: If you can't tell who T.J. is by reading him... |
08 Apr 2007 08:40:51 PM |
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Hi Puddleduck, T Wake and Gisse, Judging by how you judge...
I'd say that all three of you dudes have serious self-esteem issues.
Standards are like languages, protocols... I didn't create them.
I simply adopted the ones that suited me best.
For example...
I'm not running servers in China so I don't employ Chinese and Linux.
I employ Google's standards, Outlook's standards, MIME's standards,
English-language quoting, i.e. quote marks ( " ) not chevrons ( >>> )...
And I read well enough to paraphrase... you should try it sometime.
If you can't tell who T.J. is by reading him
then knowing his name isn't going to help you much.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: If you can't tell who T.J. is by reading him... |
09 Apr 2007 10:11:52 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_Apr_8_9_@Cotse.NET...
Hi Puddleduck, T Wake and Gisse, Judging by how you judge...
I'd say that all three of you dudes have serious self-esteem issues.
Given your track record in poor judgement, I don't really think anything you
say carries any weight.
Standards are like languages, protocols... I didn't create them.
I simply adopted the ones that suited me best.
You really do not understand what standards are, do you?
For example...
I'm not running servers in China so I don't employ Chinese and Linux.
I employ Google's standards, Outlook's standards, MIME's standards,
English-language quoting, i.e. quote marks ( " ) not chevrons ( >>> )...
Please feel free to continue to demonstrate your ignorance. I find it
entertaining.
And I read well enough
Oh no you don't.
to paraphrase... you should try it sometime.
I do quite often.
If you can't tell who T.J. is by reading him
then knowing his name isn't going to help you much.
Meaningless nonsense. Frazir is not a giant. He is not a billionaire. He
does not have a fleet of ships, inventions, boats, trades or any of the
other things he claims - and you with almost infinite gullibility regarding
Frazir fall for every one of them.
You need to ask yourself why it is only the cranks and kooks you accept at
face value.
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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| Title: Re: If you can't tell who T.J. is by reading him... |
09 Apr 2007 10:14:57 AM |
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On Apr 9, 11:11 am, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
If you can't tell who T.J. is by reading him
then knowing his name isn't going to help you much.
Meaningless nonsense. Frazir is not a giant. He is not a billionaire. He
does not have a fleet of ships, inventions, boats, trades or any of the
other things he claims - and you with almost infinite gullibility regarding
Frazir fall for every one of them.
And, contrary to Jeff's statement, we can tell all this about
TJ by reading him. Along with the fact that he has never applied
for a patent, never done business with the US government, and
probably never been to sea.
- Randy
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