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"Jack Sarfatti" |
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The Grand Illusion: Space Without Space |
The Grand Illusion, The New Paradigm
Quantum Gravity for Dummies
http://www.kmelmidimusic.com/sinatra/u_gotomy.mid
"You go to my head and you linger like a haunting refrain And I find you
spinning 'round in my brain Like the bubbles in a glass of champagne You
go to my head like a sip of sparkling Burgundy brew And I find the very
mention of you Like the kicker in a julep or two
The thrill of the thought that you might give a thought to my plea Cast
a spell over me Still I say to myself get a hold of yourself Can't you
see that it never can be
You go to my head with a smile that makes my temperature rise Like a
summer with a thousand Julys You intoxicate my soul with your eyes
Though I'm certain that this heart of mine Hasn't a ghost of a chance in
this crazy romance You go to my head
The thrill of the thought that you might give a thought to my plea Cast
a spell over me Still I say to myself get a hold of yourself Can't you
see that it never can be
You go to my head with a smile that makes my temperature rise Like a
summer with a thousand Julys You intoxicate my soul with your eyes
Though I'm certain that this heart of mine Hasn't a ghost of a chance in
this crazy romance You go to my head You go to my head You go to my
head."
J. Fred Coots and Haven Gillespie. Written in 1938, recorded by Billie
Holiday, Frank Sinatra in "Nice and Easy"
The basic classical field Lagrangian density template for all spin
connections S^a^b corresponding to localized spacetime symmetry Lie
group G(x) is
L(Einstein-Hilbert) = *(R^a^b/\e^c/\e^d + Lambda e^a/\e^b/\e^c/\e^d)
G(x) --> T4(x) is 1916 GR
G(x) --> P10(x) is Einstein-Cartan extension of 1916 GR
G(x) --> Conformal Group (15 parameters) Tony Smith's theory?
G(x) --> GL(4,R)
G(x) --> GL(4,C) Penrose Twistors?
G(x) --> GL(4,Q) Supersymmetric Twistors? Q = quaternions
My theory uses only P10(x) at the present time. The additional 6
parameters of P10(x) beyond the 4 of T4(x) form the extra
space-dimensions for the torsion field (e.g. G. Shipov) out of which
using Kaluza-Klein maybe we can get U(1) SU(2) SU(3) "internal
symmetries" of EM, weak, strong?
World Holography eq.
e^a = I^a + (1/N)^1/3A^a
I^a = globally flat Minkowski S-T tetrad 1-form
A^a = the real intrinsic warp SPIN 1 renormalizable (if quantized)
Yang-Mills geometrodynamic field
Lp^2 = hG/c^3 = 10^-66 cm^2
N = (Lp^2Lambda)^-1 = Bekenstein BIT number of a closed 2D surface
surrounding N point geometrodynamic unit wrapping number monopoles at
center of quantum gravity foam bubble N^1/6Lp across.
Each quantum gravity foam bubble has "volume without volume" &V =
N^1/2Lp^3, the total volume without volume V is N^3/2Lp^3 therefore
exactly N close-packed quantum foam bubbles in the interior of a
surrounding surface with N area quanta each Lp^2. Therefore, V/&V =
N^3/2/N^1/2 = N QED. This is the 2D point defect (3 real vacuum ODLRO
order parameters) analog of a 1D vortex line defect(2 real superfluid
ground state order parameters).
s^2 = nabx^ax^b = Integral{I^aIa} = global Minkowski space-time interval.
Integrating dx^a in that case is holonomic, i.e. path-independent
All closed geometrodynamic 1-forms are exact 1-forms in 1905 SR.
ds^2 = guvdx^udx^v = e^aea = I^aIa + (1/N)^1/3(I^aAa + A^aIa) +
(1/N)^2/3A^aAa
F^a = dA^a + w^abcA^b/\A^c
DF^a = 0 Yang-Mills Faraday & no geometrodynamic "magnetic" monopole laws
D*F^a = *J^a Yang-Mills Ampere & Gauss's laws
D*J^a = 0 local conservation of warp current densities
Lagrangian density ~ *(1/4)F^a/\*Fa
Note the relation to the torsion field T^a is
T^a = De^a = de^a + w^abce^b/\e^c
= d(I^a + (1/N)^1/3A^a) + w^abc(I^b + (1/N)^1/3A^b/\(I^c + (1/N)^1/3A^c)
Note that
w^abc = w^abc(T4) + w^abc(SO(1,3)
and
T^a(T4) = de^a + w^abc(T4)e^b/\e^c = 0 i.e. 1916 GR
R^a^b = DS^a^b = dS^a^b + S^ac/\S^cb
S^a^b = w^a^bce^c
to be continued
On Jul 28, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Paul J. Werbos, Dr. wrote:
Hi, Jack!
I think I see the story now...
First:----------------------
I asked:
2. What would Hehl's kinds of alternative models imply for the
possibility of something
like warp drive in the SPIRIT of the Alcubierre solutions? (Not the same
equations or solutions,
but paying serious attention when they appear to allow FTL patterns as
solutions.)
You answered:
Don't know.
Neither do I. So far as either of us knows, no one has done the
mathematical work needed
to know whether something like warp drive (Alburierre-type solutions but
more implementable)
would be possible, in alternatives to GR.
Let me qualify that. I was only referring to Hehl. It's clear to me that
you need the torsion field to mutate Einstein's cosmological constant
Lambda into a locally variable quintessent field Lambda(x) that you then
need to modulate with electromagnetic fields in order to get a practical
low-energy zero-g force "geodesic" warp drive.
P10 here is localized Poincare group
In Einstein's curvature-only 1916 approximation
Guv^;v = 0 Bianchi identities i.e.
R^a^b(T4) = D(T4)S^a^b(T4) = curvature 2-form
D(T4)R^a^b = 0
implies
Lambda^,v = 0 i.e. uniform constant
But in Einstein-Cartan theory
R^a^b(P10) = D(P10)S^a^b(P10)
D(P10)R^a^b(P10) = 0
D(P10) = D(T4) + D(SO(1,3)
S(P10)^a^b = S(T4)^a^b + S(SO(1,3)^a^b
R^a^b(P10) = d(S(T4)^a^b + S(SO(1,3)^a^b) + (S(T4)^ac +
S(SO(1,3)^ac)/\(S(T4)^c^b + S(SO(1,3)^c^b)
So we now have all these extra terms!
D(T4)R^a^b =/= 0 with torsion, hence
Lambda^,v need no longer vanish.
Second
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
The existence of something like dark matter is the one data point you
cite telling us that
SOMETHING is going on, beyond the usual standard model plus GR combination.
But what in particular? With one data point, and hundreds of possible
things to play with,
we don't yet have empirical evidence.
First of all it's dark matter and dark energy. We have many data points.
I don't understand what you are even saying here? "One data point"?
"hundreds of possible things"? I don't think so.
Thus in addition to not knowing what a PARTICULAR Hehl-like model
implies for
warp drive, we do not know which alternative model
we should believe anyway -- except if one makes a choice based on some kind
of religious or estehetic conviction, which sounds to me like picking a
"system"
at Las Vegas.
You lost me completely. I am talking precise equations and also many
precise observations.
Third
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is warp drive possible at all?
In the absence of clear empirical or mathematical evidence (except for
the GR case, where there exist the Alcubierre solutions)... we certainly
do not KNOW, one way or another.
First of all there are many good data points in the UFO evidence. That's
the whole point here. The Pope's Men also refused to look through
Galileo's telescope. If you throw the baby out with the bathwater then
as King Lear says
"From nothing comes nothing." (my paraphrase from memory)
You cite UFO sightings as evidence it must be possible.
You might be amused by a link a friend pointed me to yesterday (by
accident!!):
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/279/5351/671?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=Bainbridge&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT
Is that the "rebuttal" by that Christian Evangelist? URL too long to work.
HOWEVER -- uncertainty cuts two ways. If we do not KNOW whether warp
drive is possible,
Wrong. Fact is we observe such craft. Look at Paul Hill's book for
example. Talk to Bruce Maccabee.
and we DO know
something highly unknown is out there (the role of your "dark matter"
stuff)...
You must distinguish "dark matter" from "dark energy".
it is rational
to try to find out, by filling in those gaps in empirical data and in
mathematical
knowledge, rather than flipping dice and guessing, or wasting time
trying to be Holy Inquisition or Defenders
of old things that do not address the real issues here.
Vague, of course. We all like Apple Pie and Ice cream. The real
situation is not as hopeless as you paint it.
I thank you very much for pointing me towards Hehl, who does seem to be
one of the very few
people out there actually living the full scientific method in
fundamental physics.
S. Weinberg wrote a strange letter in Physics Today mentioning Hehl.
If there were more such people, perhaps humans really would have some chance
of making progress, and surviving in the long term. However, I worry here.
Chimpanzee society once made progress long ago, and then reached the
limits of
the technology and understanding that such creatures were capable; have
humans now
reached that point as well, in their understanding of basic physics and in
the technologies which that would otherwise make possible? For example --
is the full-up mathematics of operator fields simply so difficult that
humans do not learn it until
an age when they are less flexible, and prone to becoming overwhelmed or
ossified by it,
to the extend that they understand it at all? On the bright side, the
adult Sophists
of Greece seemed equally befuddled by easier things, so perhaps there is
hope for progress;
yet it is hard to see, in concrete terms.
Eric Davis would disagree with the above.
What do you mean?
He would claim he has a viable theory of how the universe works
(though he may be humble enough to say it comes from other people),
Such as?
AND a way to show how to design a warp drive based on definite
predictions of that theory.
But I do not feel convinced as yet that the connections he proposes
would really work.
What connections? References?
At best, it would require new mathematical work to properly evaluate.
I don't think so.
Best of luck to us all,
Paul
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| User: "hanson" |
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| Title: Savain ---> Re: The Grand Illusion: Space Without Space |
29 Jul 2007 11:50:01 PM |
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Yo, Louis,
Is Jack treading turf here that you have prior clain to,
.... that you have originated and covered already?
hanson
"Jack Sarfatti" <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:AJSqi.174$qa3.164@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
The Grand Illusion, The New Paradigm
Quantum Gravity for Dummies
http://www.kmelmidimusic.com/sinatra/u_gotomy.mid
"You go to my head and you linger like a haunting refrain And I find you
spinning 'round in my brain Like the bubbles in a glass of champagne You
go to my head like a sip of sparkling Burgundy brew And I find the very
mention of you Like the kicker in a julep or two
The thrill of the thought that you might give a thought to my plea Cast
a spell over me Still I say to myself get a hold of yourself Can't you
see that it never can be
You go to my head with a smile that makes my temperature rise Like a
summer with a thousand Julys You intoxicate my soul with your eyes
Though I'm certain that this heart of mine Hasn't a ghost of a chance in
this crazy romance You go to my head
The thrill of the thought that you might give a thought to my plea Cast
a spell over me Still I say to myself get a hold of yourself Can't you
see that it never can be
You go to my head with a smile that makes my temperature rise Like a
summer with a thousand Julys You intoxicate my soul with your eyes
Though I'm certain that this heart of mine Hasn't a ghost of a chance in
this crazy romance You go to my head You go to my head You go to my
head."
J. Fred Coots and Haven Gillespie. Written in 1938, recorded by Billie
Holiday, Frank Sinatra in "Nice and Easy"
The basic classical field Lagrangian density template for all spin
connections S^a^b corresponding to localized spacetime symmetry Lie
group G(x) is
L(Einstein-Hilbert) = *(R^a^b/\e^c/\e^d + Lambda e^a/\e^b/\e^c/\e^d)
G(x) --> T4(x) is 1916 GR
G(x) --> P10(x) is Einstein-Cartan extension of 1916 GR
G(x) --> Conformal Group (15 parameters) Tony Smith's theory?
G(x) --> GL(4,R)
G(x) --> GL(4,C) Penrose Twistors?
G(x) --> GL(4,Q) Supersymmetric Twistors? Q = quaternions
My theory uses only P10(x) at the present time. The additional 6
parameters of P10(x) beyond the 4 of T4(x) form the extra
space-dimensions for the torsion field (e.g. G. Shipov) out of which
using Kaluza-Klein maybe we can get U(1) SU(2) SU(3) "internal
symmetries" of EM, weak, strong?
World Holography eq.
e^a = I^a + (1/N)^1/3A^a
I^a = globally flat Minkowski S-T tetrad 1-form
A^a = the real intrinsic warp SPIN 1 renormalizable (if quantized)
Yang-Mills geometrodynamic field
Lp^2 = hG/c^3 = 10^-66 cm^2
N = (Lp^2Lambda)^-1 = Bekenstein BIT number of a closed 2D surface
surrounding N point geometrodynamic unit wrapping number monopoles at
center of quantum gravity foam bubble N^1/6Lp across.
Each quantum gravity foam bubble has "volume without volume" &V =
N^1/2Lp^3, the total volume without volume V is N^3/2Lp^3 therefore
exactly N close-packed quantum foam bubbles in the interior of a
surrounding surface with N area quanta each Lp^2. Therefore, V/&V =
N^3/2/N^1/2 = N QED. This is the 2D point defect (3 real vacuum ODLRO
order parameters) analog of a 1D vortex line defect(2 real superfluid
ground state order parameters).
s^2 = nabx^ax^b = Integral{I^aIa} = global Minkowski space-time interval.
Integrating dx^a in that case is holonomic, i.e. path-independent
All closed geometrodynamic 1-forms are exact 1-forms in 1905 SR.
ds^2 = guvdx^udx^v = e^aea = I^aIa + (1/N)^1/3(I^aAa + A^aIa) +
(1/N)^2/3A^aAa
F^a = dA^a + w^abcA^b/\A^c
DF^a = 0 Yang-Mills Faraday & no geometrodynamic "magnetic" monopole laws
D*F^a = *J^a Yang-Mills Ampere & Gauss's laws
D*J^a = 0 local conservation of warp current densities
Lagrangian density ~ *(1/4)F^a/\*Fa
Note the relation to the torsion field T^a is
T^a = De^a = de^a + w^abce^b/\e^c
= d(I^a + (1/N)^1/3A^a) + w^abc(I^b + (1/N)^1/3A^b/\(I^c + (1/N)^1/3A^c)
Note that
w^abc = w^abc(T4) + w^abc(SO(1,3)
and
T^a(T4) = de^a + w^abc(T4)e^b/\e^c = 0 i.e. 1916 GR
R^a^b = DS^a^b = dS^a^b + S^ac/\S^cb
S^a^b = w^a^bce^c
to be continued
On Jul 28, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Paul J. Werbos, Dr. wrote:
Hi, Jack!
I think I see the story now...
First:----------------------
I asked:
2. What would Hehl's kinds of alternative models imply for the
possibility of something
like warp drive in the SPIRIT of the Alcubierre solutions? (Not the same
equations or solutions,
but paying serious attention when they appear to allow FTL patterns as
solutions.)
You answered:
Don't know.
Neither do I. So far as either of us knows, no one has done the
mathematical work needed
to know whether something like warp drive (Alburierre-type solutions but
more implementable)
would be possible, in alternatives to GR.
Let me qualify that. I was only referring to Hehl. It's clear to me that
you need the torsion field to mutate Einstein's cosmological constant
Lambda into a locally variable quintessent field Lambda(x) that you then
need to modulate with electromagnetic fields in order to get a practical
low-energy zero-g force "geodesic" warp drive.
P10 here is localized Poincare group
In Einstein's curvature-only 1916 approximation
Guv^;v = 0 Bianchi identities i.e.
R^a^b(T4) = D(T4)S^a^b(T4) = curvature 2-form
D(T4)R^a^b = 0
implies
Lambda^,v = 0 i.e. uniform constant
But in Einstein-Cartan theory
R^a^b(P10) = D(P10)S^a^b(P10)
D(P10)R^a^b(P10) = 0
D(P10) = D(T4) + D(SO(1,3)
S(P10)^a^b = S(T4)^a^b + S(SO(1,3)^a^b
R^a^b(P10) = d(S(T4)^a^b + S(SO(1,3)^a^b) + (S(T4)^ac +
S(SO(1,3)^ac)/\(S(T4)^c^b + S(SO(1,3)^c^b)
So we now have all these extra terms!
D(T4)R^a^b =/= 0 with torsion, hence
Lambda^,v need no longer vanish.
Second
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
The existence of something like dark matter is the one data point you
cite telling us that
SOMETHING is going on, beyond the usual standard model plus GR combination.
But what in particular? With one data point, and hundreds of possible
things to play with,
we don't yet have empirical evidence.
First of all it's dark matter and dark energy. We have many data points.
I don't understand what you are even saying here? "One data point"?
"hundreds of possible things"? I don't think so.
Thus in addition to not knowing what a PARTICULAR Hehl-like model
implies for
warp drive, we do not know which alternative model
we should believe anyway -- except if one makes a choice based on some kind
of religious or estehetic conviction, which sounds to me like picking a
"system"
at Las Vegas.
You lost me completely. I am talking precise equations and also many
precise observations.
Third
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is warp drive possible at all?
In the absence of clear empirical or mathematical evidence (except for
the GR case, where there exist the Alcubierre solutions)... we certainly
do not KNOW, one way or another.
First of all there are many good data points in the UFO evidence. That's
the whole point here. The Pope's Men also refused to look through
Galileo's telescope. If you throw the baby out with the bathwater then
as King Lear says
"From nothing comes nothing." (my paraphrase from memory)
You cite UFO sightings as evidence it must be possible.
You might be amused by a link a friend pointed me to yesterday (by
accident!!):
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/279/5351/671?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=Bainbridge&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT
Is that the "rebuttal" by that Christian Evangelist? URL too long to work.
HOWEVER -- uncertainty cuts two ways. If we do not KNOW whether warp
drive is possible,
Wrong. Fact is we observe such craft. Look at Paul Hill's book for
example. Talk to Bruce Maccabee.
and we DO know
something highly unknown is out there (the role of your "dark matter"
stuff)...
You must distinguish "dark matter" from "dark energy".
it is rational
to try to find out, by filling in those gaps in empirical data and in
mathematical
knowledge, rather than flipping dice and guessing, or wasting time
trying to be Holy Inquisition or Defenders
of old things that do not address the real issues here.
Vague, of course. We all like Apple Pie and Ice cream. The real
situation is not as hopeless as you paint it.
I thank you very much for pointing me towards Hehl, who does seem to be
one of the very few
people out there actually living the full scientific method in
fundamental physics.
S. Weinberg wrote a strange letter in Physics Today mentioning Hehl.
If there were more such people, perhaps humans really would have some chance
of making progress, and surviving in the long term. However, I worry here.
Chimpanzee society once made progress long ago, and then reached the
limits of
the technology and understanding that such creatures were capable; have
humans now
reached that point as well, in their understanding of basic physics and in
the technologies which that would otherwise make possible? For example --
is the full-up mathematics of operator fields simply so difficult that
humans do not learn it until
an age when they are less flexible, and prone to becoming overwhelmed or
ossified by it,
to the extend that they understand it at all? On the bright side, the
adult Sophists
of Greece seemed equally befuddled by easier things, so perhaps there is
hope for progress;
yet it is hard to see, in concrete terms.
Eric Davis would disagree with the above.
What do you mean?
He would claim he has a viable theory of how the universe works
(though he may be humble enough to say it comes from other people),
Such as?
AND a way to show how to design a warp drive based on definite
predictions of that theory.
But I do not feel convinced as yet that the connections he proposes
would really work.
What connections? References?
At best, it would require new mathematical work to properly evaluate.
I don't think so.
Best of luck to us all,
Paul
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| Title: Re: Savain ---> Re: The Grand Illusion: Space Without Space |
30 Jul 2007 01:16:04 AM |
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On Jul 29, 11:50 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
Yo, Louis,
Is Jack treading turf here that you have prior clain to,
... that you have originated and covered already?
hanson
"Jack Sarfatti" <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:AJSqi.174$qa3.164@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
The Grand Illusion, The New Paradigm
Quantum Gravity for Dummies
[snip Sarfatti's crap]
As ususal, I have no idea what Sarfatti is talking about and I don't
want to know. The man is a time travel crackpot and a show-off, AFAIC.
ahahaha... But then again, pomposity and crackpottery are trademarks
of the physics establishment. Besides, Sarfatti being Jewish and all,
he's got something to prove. ahahaha... Just kidding. Anyway, I am an
unabashed lover of simplicity. The reason that space (including
distance and size) is an illusion, is extremely simple to understand
and almost anybody can grasp it. There is no need for a bunch of
chicken-***** mumbo-jumbo. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Nasty Little Truth About Space:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/nasty.htm#Space
Louis Savain
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