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In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kenseto@woh.rr.com>
wrote
on Fri, 4 May 2007 10:45:44 -0400
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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The grating can be used to determine the arrival speed of the incoming
light
as follows:
Arrival speed of incoming light = c'= [(detected frequency of incoming
light)][d*sin(theta)]
Sorry this is wrong.
What I meant to say is as follows:
Variable arriving speed of incoming light= c' = (detected frequency of
incoming light)(universal wavelength of the light source)
In a standard diffraction grating setup, from what I've
read, the frequency isn't even measured. A small
device rotates around the grating, measuring general
light intensity.
In SR, one can then deduce the velocity, assuming said
device finds a identified Frauenhofer line of nominal
wavelength l0, by calculating the new wavelength
l = a value dependent on the grating and the reflected angle
(I'd have to look),
and then calculating
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
That such a device works (and is routinely used in
astronomy) indicates that Newtonian theory is quite dead,
as Galilean relativity predicts no change in wavelength
because of relative velocity.
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06 May 2007 07:57:05 AM |
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On May 5, 11:24 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kens...@woh.rr.com>
wrote
on Fri, 4 May 2007 10:45:44 -0400
<463b45d5$0$15146$4c368...@roadrunner.com>:
"kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:463b4432$0$4689$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
The grating can be used to determine the arrival speed of the incoming
light
as follows:
Arrival speed of incoming light = c'= [(detected frequency of incoming
light)][d*sin(theta)]
Sorry this is wrong.
What I meant to say is as follows:
Variable arriving speed of incoming light= c' = (detected frequency of
incoming light)(universal wavelength of the light source)
In a standard diffraction grating setup, from what I've
read, the frequency isn't even measured. A small
device rotates around the grating, measuring general
light intensity.
In SR, one can then deduce the velocity, assuming said
device finds a identified Frauenhofer line of nominal
wavelength l0, by calculating the new wavelength
l = a value dependent on the grating and the reflected angle
(I'd have to look),
and then calculating
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
That such a device works (and is routinely used in
astronomy) indicates that Newtonian theory is quite dead,
as Galilean relativity predicts no change in wavelength
because of relative velocity.
SR's prediction is based on the circular assumption that the
wavelength of the incoming light is changed.
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06 May 2007 08:13:07 AM |
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SR's prediction is based on the circular assumption that the
wavelength of the incoming light is changed.
No .. its not
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06 May 2007 11:07:51 AM |
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In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kenseto@erinet.com>
wrote
on 6 May 2007 05:57:05 -0700
<1178456225.674537.225050@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:
On May 5, 11:24 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kens...@woh.rr.com>
wrote
on Fri, 4 May 2007 10:45:44 -0400
<463b45d5$0$15146$4c368...@roadrunner.com>:
"kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:463b4432$0$4689$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
The grating can be used to determine the arrival speed of the incoming
light
as follows:
Arrival speed of incoming light = c'= [(detected frequency of incoming
light)][d*sin(theta)]
Sorry this is wrong.
What I meant to say is as follows:
Variable arriving speed of incoming light= c' = (detected frequency of
incoming light)(universal wavelength of the light source)
In a standard diffraction grating setup, from what I've
read, the frequency isn't even measured. A small
device rotates around the grating, measuring general
light intensity.
In SR, one can then deduce the velocity, assuming said
device finds a identified Frauenhofer line of nominal
wavelength l0, by calculating the new wavelength
l = a value dependent on the grating and the reflected angle
(I'd have to look),
and then calculating
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
That such a device works (and is routinely used in
astronomy) indicates that Newtonian theory is quite dead,
as Galilean relativity predicts no change in wavelength
because of relative velocity.
SR's prediction is based on the circular assumption that the
wavelength of the incoming light is changed.
Ives-Stilwell confirms this assumption, circular or no.
In any event, SR is based on the prediction that lightspeed
is invariant; Einstein derived the Lorentz transformation
therefrom, which leads to the equations
f/f0 = sqrt(1-v/c)/sqrt(1+v/c)
l/l0 = sqrt(1+v/c)/sqrt(1-v/c)
and then to the equation
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
The main issue is finding l0, and only then does
sodium come into the fray (since the D lines are readily
identifiable). l0 is indeed universal but it's not what we
measure with a diffraction grating; we measure l.
--
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way too frightening to novice users.
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06 May 2007 11:48:21 AM |
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On May 6, 9:07 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kens...@erinet.com>
wrote
on 6 May 2007 05:57:05 -0700
<1178456225.674537.225...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:
On May 5, 11:24 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kens...@woh.rr.com>
wrote
on Fri, 4 May 2007 10:45:44 -0400
<463b45d5$0$15146$4c368...@roadrunner.com>:
"kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:463b4432$0$4689$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
The grating can be used to determine the arrival speed of the incoming
light
as follows:
Arrival speed of incoming light = c'= [(detected frequency of incoming
light)][d*sin(theta)]
Sorry this is wrong.
What I meant to say is as follows:
Variable arriving speed of incoming light= c' = (detected frequency of
incoming light)(universal wavelength of the light source)
In a standard diffraction grating setup, from what I've
read, the frequency isn't even measured. A small
device rotates around the grating, measuring general
light intensity.
In SR, one can then deduce the velocity, assuming said
device finds a identified Frauenhofer line of nominal
wavelength l0, by calculating the new wavelength
l = a value dependent on the grating and the reflected angle
(I'd have to look),
and then calculating
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
That such a device works (and is routinely used in
astronomy) indicates that Newtonian theory is quite dead,
as Galilean relativity predicts no change in wavelength
because of relative velocity.
SR's prediction is based on the circular assumption that the
wavelength of the incoming light is changed.
Ives-Stilwell confirms this assumption, circular or no.
In any event, SR is based on the prediction that lightspeed
is invariant; Einstein derived the Lorentz transformation
therefrom, which leads to the equations
f/f0 = sqrt(1-v/c)/sqrt(1+v/c)
l/l0 = sqrt(1+v/c)/sqrt(1-v/c)
and then to the equation
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
The main issue is finding l0, and only then does
sodium come into the fray (since the D lines are readily
identifiable). l0 is indeed universal but it's not what we
measure with a diffraction grating; we measure l.
--
#191,
Linux. Because Windows' Blue Screen Of Death is just
way too frightening to novice users.
--
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Dr. Seto's knowledge of experiment is very poor (of course, he
compensates thru his infallible logic). Every time I mention Ives-
Stilwell (or relativistic Doppler effect) he runs away for a while and
hides under his skirts :-)
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06 May 2007 12:47:28 PM |
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In sci.physics.relativity,
<>
wrote
on 6 May 2007 09:48:21 -0700
<1178470101.304639.314830@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:
On May 6, 9:07 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kens...@erinet.com>
wrote
on 6 May 2007 05:57:05 -0700
<1178456225.674537.225...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:
On May 5, 11:24 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kens...@woh.rr.com>
wrote
on Fri, 4 May 2007 10:45:44 -0400
<463b45d5$0$15146$4c368...@roadrunner.com>:
"kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:463b4432$0$4689$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
The grating can be used to determine the arrival speed of the incoming
light
as follows:
Arrival speed of incoming light = c'= [(detected frequency of incoming
light)][d*sin(theta)]
Sorry this is wrong.
What I meant to say is as follows:
Variable arriving speed of incoming light= c' = (detected frequency of
incoming light)(universal wavelength of the light source)
In a standard diffraction grating setup, from what I've
read, the frequency isn't even measured. A small
device rotates around the grating, measuring general
light intensity.
In SR, one can then deduce the velocity, assuming said
device finds a identified Frauenhofer line of nominal
wavelength l0, by calculating the new wavelength
l = a value dependent on the grating and the reflected angle
(I'd have to look),
and then calculating
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
That such a device works (and is routinely used in
astronomy) indicates that Newtonian theory is quite dead,
as Galilean relativity predicts no change in wavelength
because of relative velocity.
SR's prediction is based on the circular assumption that the
wavelength of the incoming light is changed.
Ives-Stilwell confirms this assumption, circular or no.
In any event, SR is based on the prediction that lightspeed
is invariant; Einstein derived the Lorentz transformation
therefrom, which leads to the equations
f/f0 = sqrt(1-v/c)/sqrt(1+v/c)
l/l0 = sqrt(1+v/c)/sqrt(1-v/c)
and then to the equation
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
The main issue is finding l0, and only then does
sodium come into the fray (since the D lines are readily
identifiable). l0 is indeed universal but it's not what we
measure with a diffraction grating; we measure l.
--
#191,
Linux. Because Windows' Blue Screen Of Death is just
way too frightening to novice users.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
Dr. Seto's knowledge of experiment is very poor (of course, he
compensates thru his infallible logic). Every time I mention Ives-
Stilwell (or relativistic Doppler effect) he runs away for a while and
hides under his skirts :-)
Well, considering the design of his one experiment I'm certainly
inclined to agree. :-) One of the reasons MMX was so well taken
is that MMX had then-unprecedented accuracy.
--
#191,
Q: "Why is my computer doing that?"
A: "Don't do that and you'll be fine."
--
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06 May 2007 01:43:53 PM |
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On May 6, 10:47 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity,
<>
wrote
on 6 May 2007 09:48:21 -0700
<1178470101.304639.314...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:
On May 6, 9:07 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kens...@erinet.com>
wrote
on 6 May 2007 05:57:05 -0700
<1178456225.674537.225...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:
On May 5, 11:24 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kens...@woh.rr.com>
wrote
on Fri, 4 May 2007 10:45:44 -0400
<463b45d5$0$15146$4c368...@roadrunner.com>:
"kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:463b4432$0$4689$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
The grating can be used to determine the arrival speed of the incoming
light
as follows:
Arrival speed of incoming light = c'= [(detected frequency of incoming
light)][d*sin(theta)]
Sorry this is wrong.
What I meant to say is as follows:
Variable arriving speed of incoming light= c' = (detected frequency of
incoming light)(universal wavelength of the light source)
In a standard diffraction grating setup, from what I've
read, the frequency isn't even measured. A small
device rotates around the grating, measuring general
light intensity.
In SR, one can then deduce the velocity, assuming said
device finds a identified Frauenhofer line of nominal
wavelength l0, by calculating the new wavelength
l = a value dependent on the grating and the reflected angle
(I'd have to look),
and then calculating
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
That such a device works (and is routinely used in
astronomy) indicates that Newtonian theory is quite dead,
as Galilean relativity predicts no change in wavelength
because of relative velocity.
SR's prediction is based on the circular assumption that the
wavelength of the incoming light is changed.
Ives-Stilwell confirms this assumption, circular or no.
In any event, SR is based on the prediction that lightspeed
is invariant; Einstein derived the Lorentz transformation
therefrom, which leads to the equations
f/f0 = sqrt(1-v/c)/sqrt(1+v/c)
l/l0 = sqrt(1+v/c)/sqrt(1-v/c)
and then to the equation
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
The main issue is finding l0, and only then does
sodium come into the fray (since the D lines are readily
identifiable). l0 is indeed universal but it's not what we
measure with a diffraction grating; we measure l.
--
#191,
Linux. Because Windows' Blue Screen Of Death is just
way too frightening to novice users.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
Dr. Seto's knowledge of experiment is very poor (of course, he
compensates thru his infallible logic). Every time I mention Ives-
Stilwell (or relativistic Doppler effect) he runs away for a while and
hides under his skirts :-)
Well, considering the design of his one experiment I'm certainly
inclined to agree. :-) One of the reasons MMX was so well taken
is that MMX had then-unprecedented accuracy.
--
#191,
Q: "Why is my computer doing that?"
A: "Don't do that and you'll be fine."
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Yeah but Michelson and Morley missed the gig with the "vertical arm"
oriented in the "absolute vertical direction" :-)
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06 May 2007 06:47:01 PM |
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<karandash2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On May 6, 10:47 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity,
<>
wrote
on 6 May 2007 09:48:21 -0700
<1178470101.304639.314...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:
On May 6, 9:07 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kens...@erinet.com>
wrote
on 6 May 2007 05:57:05 -0700
<1178456225.674537.225...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:
On May 5, 11:24 am, The Ghost In The Machine
<e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics.relativity, kenseto
<kens...@woh.rr.com>
wrote
on Fri, 4 May 2007 10:45:44 -0400
<463b45d5$0$15146$4c368...@roadrunner.com>:
"kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:463b4432$0$4689$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
The grating can be used to determine the arrival speed of the
incoming
light
as follows:
Arrival speed of incoming light = c'= [(detected frequency of
incoming
light)][d*sin(theta)]
Sorry this is wrong.
What I meant to say is as follows:
Variable arriving speed of incoming light= c' = (detected
frequency of
incoming light)(universal wavelength of the light source)
In a standard diffraction grating setup, from what I've
read, the frequency isn't even measured. A small
device rotates around the grating, measuring general
light intensity.
In SR, one can then deduce the velocity, assuming said
device finds a identified Frauenhofer line of nominal
wavelength l0, by calculating the new wavelength
l = a value dependent on the grating and the reflected angle
(I'd have to look),
and then calculating
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
That such a device works (and is routinely used in
astronomy) indicates that Newtonian theory is quite dead,
as Galilean relativity predicts no change in wavelength
because of relative velocity.
SR's prediction is based on the circular assumption that the
wavelength of the incoming light is changed.
Ives-Stilwell confirms this assumption, circular or no.
In any event, SR is based on the prediction that lightspeed
is invariant; Einstein derived the Lorentz transformation
therefrom, which leads to the equations
f/f0 = sqrt(1-v/c)/sqrt(1+v/c)
l/l0 = sqrt(1+v/c)/sqrt(1-v/c)
and then to the equation
v = c * (1 - (l0/l)^2) / (1 + (l0/l)^2)
The main issue is finding l0, and only then does
sodium come into the fray (since the D lines are readily
identifiable). l0 is indeed universal but it's not what we
measure with a diffraction grating; we measure l.
--
#191,
Linux. Because Windows' Blue Screen Of Death is just
way too frightening to novice users.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
Dr. Seto's knowledge of experiment is very poor (of course, he
compensates thru his infallible logic). Every time I mention Ives-
Stilwell (or relativistic Doppler effect) he runs away for a while and
hides under his skirts :-)
Well, considering the design of his one experiment I'm certainly
inclined to agree. :-) One of the reasons MMX was so well taken
is that MMX had then-unprecedented accuracy.
--
#191,
Q: "Why is my computer doing that?"
A: "Don't do that and you'll be fine."
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Yeah but Michelson and Morley missed the gig with the "vertical arm"
oriented in the "absolute vertical direction" :-)
Fucking idiot runt.....how many time I have to tell you that I claim that if
the plane of the arms is oriented vertically non-null result will be
observed??
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06 May 2007 07:18:21 PM |
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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Fucking idiot runt.....how many time I have to tell you that I claim that
if
the plane of the arms is oriented vertically non-null result will be
observed??
Why should it make a difference .. and if so, has it been tried?
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07 May 2007 08:33:15 AM |
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"Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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Fucking idiot runt.....how many time I have to tell you that I claim
that
if
the plane of the arms is oriented vertically non-null result will be
observed??
Why should it make a difference .. and if so, has it been tried?
The Pound and Rebka results support my conclusion.
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07 May 2007 06:23:51 PM |
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:463e67ab$0$5750$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Fucking idiot runt.....how many time I have to tell you that I claim
that
if
the plane of the arms is oriented vertically non-null result will be
observed??
Why should it make a difference .. and if so, has it been tried?
The Pound and Rebka results support my conclusion.
It shows that GR is correct.
Moron
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08 May 2007 07:34:06 AM |
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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Fucking idiot runt.....how many time I have to tell you that I claim
that
if
the plane of the arms is oriented vertically non-null result will be
observed??
Why should it make a difference .. and if so, has it been tried?
The Pound and Rebka results support my conclusion.
It shows that GR is correct.
Hey fucking idiot runt of the SRians it shows that frequency is shfted in
the vertical direction.
Definition for a runt of the SRians:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend
beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who
disagrees with SR
Ken Seto
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08 May 2007 09:17:55 AM |
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:463e67ab$0$5750$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Fucking idiot runt.....how many time I have to tell you that I claim
that
if
the plane of the arms is oriented vertically non-null result will be
observed??
Why should it make a difference .. and if so, has it been tried?
The Pound and Rebka results support my conclusion.
It shows that GR is correct.
Hey fucking idiot runt
Yeah .. ***** you *****-faced moron.
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08 May 2007 07:36:42 AM |
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In article <46406cef$0$4859$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hey fucking idiot runt of the SRians it shows that frequency is shfted in
the vertical direction.
Definition for a runt of the SRians:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend
beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who
disagrees with SR
It SHOWS gravitational time dilation/redshift, but your limited understanding
of it is obvious....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-Rebka_experiment
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/gratim.html
Nice RuntRant again....
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Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
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| User: "kenseto" |
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08 May 2007 08:56:07 AM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <46406cef$0$4859$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hey fucking idiot runt of the SRians it shows that frequency is shfted
in
the vertical direction.
Definition for a runt of the SRians:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend
beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who
disagrees with SR
It SHOWS gravitational time dilation/redshift, but your limited
understanding
of it is obvious....
With Pound, first carried out an experiment using the Mössbauer effect to
test the predictions of general relativity. An emitter was set up on the
top of a building and an absorber at the bottom. A frequency shift was
observed vertically.
The Pound and Rebka result is proof that the speed of light is not isotropic
vertically. Gravitational potential is the result that different heights
represents different states of absolute motion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-Rebka_experiment
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/gratim.html
Nice RuntRant again....
idiot.runt.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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08 May 2007 10:07:41 AM |
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In article <46408029$0$4928$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote:
The Pound and Rebka result is proof that the speed of light is not isotropic
vertically. Gravitational potential is the result that different heights
represents different states of absolute motion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-Rebka_experiment
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/gratim.html
Nice RuntRant again....
idiot.runt.
Keep on believing that.
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Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
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| User: "" |
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08 May 2007 01:42:55 PM |
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On May 8, 6:56 am, "kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews=
:phineaspuddleduck-258F2B.13364208052007@news.octanews.com...
In article <46406cef$0$4859$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
"kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hey fucking idiot runt of the SRians it shows that frequency is shfted
in
the vertical direction.
Definition for a runt of the SRians:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend
beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who
disagrees with SR
It SHOWS gravitational time dilation/redshift, but your limited
understanding
of it is obvious....
With Pound, first carried out an experiment using the M=F6ssbauer effect =
to
test the predictions of general relativity. An emitter was set up on the
top of a building and an absorber at the bottom. A FREQUENCY shift was
observed vertically.
This is the part that you don't get, the FREQUENCY changed, and NOT
the speed as you keep claiming desperately
The Pound and Rebka result is proof that the speed of light is not isotro=
pic vertically
Umm, of course not, it is just your misunderstang. If light speed were
anisotropic as you claim, you would be getting different results from
experiments like Ives-Stilwell, Gagnon, Sagnac, etc. You have been
asked repeatedly to plug in your IRT equations in the experiments and
show what you get. We know that you never finished high school but
this is just a few simple substitutions, are you saying that you are
unable to do that?
idiot.runt.
What we call you on this website start with "c", not with "r" . Learn
how to spell your own name.
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| User: "kenseto" |
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09 May 2007 08:55:17 AM |
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<karandash2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178649774.961867.29100@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 8, 6:56 am, "kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:phineaspuddleduck-258F2B.13364208052007@news.octanews.com...
In article <46406cef$0$4859$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
"kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hey fucking idiot runt of the SRians it shows that frequency is shfted
in
the vertical direction.
Definition for a runt of the SRians:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend
beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who
disagrees with SR
It SHOWS gravitational time dilation/redshift, but your limited
understanding
of it is obvious....
With Pound, first carried out an experiment using the Mössbauer effect to
test the predictions of general relativity. An emitter was set up on the
top of a building and an absorber at the bottom. A FREQUENCY shift was
observed vertically.
This is the part that you don't get, the FREQUENCY changed, and NOT
the speed as you keep claiming desperately
The Pound and Rebka result is proof that the speed of light is not
isotropic vertically
Umm, of course not, it is just your misunderstang. If light speed were
anisotropic as you claim, you would be getting different results from
experiments like Ives-Stilwell, Gagnon, Sagnac, etc. You have been
asked repeatedly to plug in your IRT equations in the experiments and
show what you get. We know that you never finished high school but
this is just a few simple substitutions, are you saying that you are
unable to do that?\
Hey idiot runt the Pound and Rebka was performed vertically while the
Ives-Stilewll, Gagnon. Sagnac were performed horizontally.
idiot.runt.
What we call you on this website start with "c", not with "r" . Learn
how to spell your own name.
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14 May 2007 11:46:00 AM |
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On May 9, 6:55 am, "kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hey idiot runt the Pound and Rebka was performed vertically while the
Ives-Stilewll, Gagnon. Sagnac were performed horizontally.
idiot."r"unt.
Dear Ken Shito
So, plug in you famous IR(etarded)T equations into the experiments of
Ives-Stilwell or Sagnac and demonstrate that you get results identical
to SR as you keep claiming but you seem unable to produce any
mathematical proof.
BTW, what we call you on this forum starts with "c" , not "r". You
need to know your own appelative, dr. Shito.
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| User: "kenseto" |
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14 May 2007 01:50:47 PM |
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<karandash2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179161160.282170.47890@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 9, 6:55 am, "kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hey idiot runt the Pound and Rebka was performed vertically while the
Ives-Stilewll, Gagnon. Sagnac were performed horizontally.
idiot."r"unt.
Dear Ken Shito
So, plug in you famous IR(etarded)T equations into the experiments of
Ives-Stilwell or Sagnac and demonstrate that you get results identical
to SR as you keep claiming but you seem unable to produce any
mathematical proof.
Dear ***** runt of the SRians. I claim that the speed of incoming
vertical light is anisotropic. I also claimed that light in the horizontal
plane in the same gravitational potential is isotropic. The Ives-Stilwell or
the Sagnac were performed horizontally.
You are a runt of the SRians.
Definition for a runt of the SRians:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend
beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who
disagrees with SR
Ken Seto
BTW, what we call you on this forum starts with "c" , not "r". You
need to know your own appelative, dr. Shito.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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14 May 2007 01:49:25 PM |
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4648ae34$0$3218$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
<karandash2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179161160.282170.47890@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 9, 6:55 am, "kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hey idiot runt the Pound and Rebka was performed vertically while the
Ives-Stilewll, Gagnon. Sagnac were performed horizontally.
idiot."r"unt.
Dear Ken Shito
So, plug in you famous IR(etarded)T equations into the experiments of
Ives-Stilwell or Sagnac and demonstrate that you get results identical
to SR as you keep claiming but you seem unable to produce any
mathematical proof.
Dear ***** runt of the SRians. I claim that the speed of incoming
vertical light is anisotropic. I also claimed that light in the horizontal
plane in the same gravitational potential is isotropic. The Ives-Stilwell
or
the Sagnac were performed horizontally.
You are a runt of the SRians.
Definition for a runt of the SRians:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend
beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who
disagrees with SR
Are you really this stupid and unable to present your (ahem) theory?
BTW, what we call you on this forum starts with "c" , not "r". You
need to know your own appelative, dr. Shito.
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14 May 2007 03:17:20 PM |
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On May 14, 11:50 am, "kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
<karandash2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179161160.282170.47890@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 9, 6:55 am, "kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hey idiot runt the Pound and Rebka was performed vertically while the
Ives-Stilewll, Gagnon. Sagnac were performed horizontally.
idiot."r"unt.
Dear Ken Shito
So, plug in you famous IR(etarded)T equations into the experiments of
Ives-Stilwell or Sagnac and demonstrate that you get results identical
to SR as you keep claiming but you seem unable to produce any
mathematical proof.
Dear ***** runt of the SRians. I claim that the speed of incoming
vertical light is anisotropic. I also claimed that light in the horizontal
plane in the same gravitational potential is isotropic. The Ives-Stilwell or
the Sagnac were performed horizontally.
So, you shouldn't have any problem plugging in the equations of
IR(etarded)T into the Ives-Stilwell experments and Sagnac. It should
beaeasy, it doesn't contain any of the matrix multiplication that you
admitted that you never got to study....
You are a "r"unt of the SRians.
What we call you, starts with "c", not "r". Learn how to spell your
own name, dr. Shito.
<further ranting and raving by Ken Shito snipped>-
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14 May 2007 04:19:21 PM |
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<karandash2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179173840.600396.241300@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On May 14, 11:50 am, "kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
<karandash2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179161160.282170.47890@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 9, 6:55 am, "kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hey idiot runt the Pound and Rebka was performed vertically while
the
Ives-Stilewll, Gagnon. Sagnac were performed horizontally.
idiot."r"unt.
Dear Ken Shito
So, plug in you famous IR(etarded)T equations into the experiments of
Ives-Stilwell or Sagnac and demonstrate that you get results identical
to SR as you keep claiming but you seem unable to produce any
mathematical proof.
Dear ***** runt of the SRians. I claim that the speed of incoming
vertical light is anisotropic. I also claimed that light in the
horizontal
plane in the same gravitational potential is isotropic. The
Ives-Stilwell or
the Sagnac were performed horizontally.
So, you shouldn't have any problem plugging in the equations of
IR(etarded)T into the Ives-Stilwell experments and Sagnac. It should
beaeasy, it doesn't contain any of the matrix multiplication that you
admitted that you never got to study....
Fucking idiot runt....the IRT equations for these experiments are the same
as presented by the performers of these experiments.
You are a runt of the SRians.
Definition for a runt of the SRians:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend
beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who
disagrees with SR
Ken Seto
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14 May 2007 06:49:17 PM |
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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Fucking idiot runt....the IRT equations for these experiments are the same
as presented by the performers of these experiments.
You are a runt of the SRians.
Definition for a runt of the SRians:
A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't
know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend
beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows
the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their ***** like
gourmet puppy chow. An ***** who will attack anybody who
disagrees with SR
So .. can you actually do what you've been asked to demonstrate? ie
demonstrate (by showing the working) how your theory predicting the correct
results.
All you seem capable of so far is hand-waving, insulting people, and
contradicting yourself
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15 May 2007 09:54:04 AM |
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On May 14, 2:19 pm, "kenseto" <kens...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
<Ken Shito's idiocies and weaseling snipped>
Fucking idiot runt...
What you are called in this forum starts with a "c" , not with an "r".
Learn how to spell your own name, dr. Shito.
.the IRT equations for these experiments are the same
as presented by the performers of these experiments.
Ken Seto
So, you shouldn't have any problem plugging in the equations of
IR(etarded)T into the Ives-Stilwell experments and Sagnac. It should
be easy, it doesn't contain any of the matrix multiplication that you
admitted that you never got to study....
<Ken Shito's standard rant snipped>
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09 May 2007 09:12:52 AM |
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kenseto wrote:
Hey idiot runt the Pound and Rebka was performed vertically while the
Ives-Stilewll, Gagnon. Sagnac were performed horizontally.
Ken, do you understand what Pound and Rebka was terrestrial experiment
demonstrating the gravitational redshift of light. And that the clocks
where at different gravitational potential.
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09 May 2007 11:45:43 AM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
Hey idiot runt the Pound and Rebka was performed vertically while the
Ives-Stilewll, Gagnon. Sagnac were performed horizontally.
Ken, do you understand what Pound and Rebka was terrestrial experiment
demonstrating the gravitational redshift of light. And that the clocks
where at different gravitational potential.
Hey idiot ....so what? My guess is that you don't even know what is
gravitational red shift and what is the cause of it. Gravitational potential
is the result of different heights on earth represents different state of
absolute motion. The different states of absolute motion at different
heights causes the frequency shift and causes the anisotropy of light in the
vertical direction.
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09 May 2007 06:47:16 PM |
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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kenseto wrote:
Hey idiot runt the Pound and Rebka was performed vertically while the
Ives-Stilewll, Gagnon. Sagnac were performed horizontally.
Ken, do you understand what Pound and Rebka was terrestrial experiment
demonstrating the gravitational redshift of light. And that the clocks
where at different gravitational potential.
Hey idiot ....so what? My guess is that you don't even know what is
gravitational red shift and what is the cause of it. Gravitational
potential
is the result of different heights on earth represents different state of
absolute motion. The different states of absolute motion at different
heights causes the frequency shift and causes the anisotropy of light in
the
vertical direction.
So the different is due to how fast an object is moving, not how high it is?
So if you have two objects at the different heights moving at zero velocity
relative to each other (ie comoving), they'd have the same absolute motion
and you predict they would get the same results? Gravity itself plays no
part in the speed of light?
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10 May 2007 04:53:58 AM |
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"Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"kenseto" <kenseto@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:EFk0i.43894$n_.62@attbi_s21...
kenseto wrote:
Hey idiot runt the Pound and Rebka was performed vertically while the
Ives-Stilewll, Gagnon. Sagnac were performed horizontally.
Ken, do you understand what Pound and Rebka was terrestrial
experiment
demonstrating the gravitational redshift of light. And that the
clocks
where at different gravitational potential.
Hey idiot ....so what? My guess is that you don't even know what is
gravitational red shift and what is the cause of it. Gravitational
potential
is the result of different heights on earth represents different state
of
absolute motion. The different states of absolute motion at different
heights causes the frequency shift and causes the anisotropy of light in
the
vertical direction.
So the different is due to how fast an object is moving, not how high it
is?
No idiot....the different is that light has different relative veocity wrt
the detector when the light source is at different heights.
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