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The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems
A while ago a program was presented on NOVA in which a physicist
described an experiment. In this experiment he used two identical atomic
clocks and transported one of them around the world in a jet aircraft. He
observed that the transported clock recorded less elapsed time than the
identical clock that remained in place. He concluded from this that time
slowed down as a result of the aircraft's velocity. He asserted that "as far
as he was concerned, time is what clocks measure". It is the purpose of this
posting to examine the validity of his belief.
Suppose we consider an experiment in which we measure the price of
gasoline in two different locations (reference frame #1 and reference frame
#2) using the units of measurement existing at those locations and denoted
as dollars and gallons in both. In reference frame #1 we observe that
gasoline costs $1/gallon and in reference frame #2 we also observe that
gasoline costs $1/gallon. We can assert from this that the price of gasoline
is "a constant" (1$/gallon) between those locations that, for this example,
are only 10 miles apart. Can we rigorously assert that the price of gasoline
does not change ("is constant"} between those locations? The answer is that
we cannot without further information. Suppose one of the locations was in
Windsor, Ontario, Canada and the other location is across the river in
Detroit, Michigan, USA? At the Canadian location, the price of gasoline
would be measured in terms of Canadian dollars and Imperial Gallons while at
the US location; the price of gasoline would be measured in US gallons and
US dollars. Since the Imperial Gallon is 25% larger than the US gallon, the
price of gasoline, while being "a constant" (invariant) between those
locations, would not be "constant" between them except for the case where
the Canadian dollar was worth 1.25 US dollars. In this experiment, in order
to draw a legitimate conclusion it is necessary to take in consideration the
relative sizes of the units of measurement for fluid and money at the two
locations (reference frames) even though they have the same names.
The same requirement is incumbent on an experimenter who is making
measurements between reference frames (elevation or velocity). Before we can
draw any conclusion as to what is actually occurring between two reference
frames which differ in elevation or velocity, we must first determine how
the appropriate units of measurement are affected by the difference in
reference frame and correct the readings made locally appropriately. (This
is no different than the technique used by land surveyors when they correct
their measurements of distance for the effects of ambient temperature on
their steel tapes. I would assert that the science of physics should be at
least as rigorous as the more mundane field of land surveying.) The
information needed to make the corrections for reference frames that differ
in velocity were provided in 1903 by Fitzgerald, Larmor, and Lorentz and are
collectively known as the Lorentz Transformations. The resultant theory was
denoted as the Lorentz Transformation-Aether Theory. Using these
transformations, one finds that the effects of velocity are quite reasonable
in terms of classical Newtonian Physics, THERE IS NO MYSTERY. In 1905 Dr.
Einstein derived Special Relativity using mathematics applied to accepted
physical laws. If one examines both theories one finds that they are
actually the same theory since one may be derived from the other, with the
Aether Relativity Theory being a special case solution of STR in which one
of the infinite number of solutions that STR allows between the limits of
+/- C represents the Aether but we are prevented from measuring that
velocity with respect to it by the Lorentz Transformations and the velocity
limit on communications imposed by the velocity of light.
When one examines the atomic clock experiment one must decide between
one of two interpretations. One must consider the possibility of whether
that velocity of the trip caused the moving clock to speed up during one
part of its trip around the world and to slow up on the part so that the
total elapsed time was consistent with the observation. The other
interpretation was that the velocity made the rate of passage of time itself
change due to its movement through space-time. In order to distinguish
between the possibilities, it is necessary only necessary to consider the
effects of a change in reference frame occurring when the observations are
made and these observations are made at the same location and at the same
velocity reference and, as a result, we must conclude that it was not time
which slowed during the trip, it was the speed of the clock. (This
conclusion may be made easier to accept when one recognizes that the
experiment could have been set up, in principle, in a form akin the auto
speed tests on the Bonneville Salt Flats in which the clock travels at a
constant rate of speed and in a straight line in one direction and then is
stopped and reversed indirection and returns to its starting point along the
same straight line. All of the measurements would be made by identical
clocks with the time required to turn the vehicle around subtracted from the
time difference. Spacetime is not involved in this analysis.) Since all of
the measurements of the actual experiment were made at the same location and
velocity reference frame, the actual elapsed time must have been the same
for both clocks one must conclude that it was the moving clock that slowed
its speed and not a reduction of the actual passage of time.
The physicists assertion that "time is what clocks measure" is naive.
"Time is what clocks measure after the assumed speed of the clock has been
corrected for the change in size of the units of measurement for time
resulting from velocity". (In other words, changing the velocity of the
clock caused its scale factor to change. there are sound and easily
understood physical reason as why this occurs.) Larmor was intelligent
enough to provide the necessary correction factor (the Lorentz
Transformation for Time and Dr. Einstein was considerate enough to derive it
rigorously from basic principles.
The source material for this posting may be found in "Gravity" (1987),
"The Einstein Hoax" (1997), and "Corrections to Residual Errors in Special
Relativity (1999) located at
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems |
09 Mar 2005 04:06:30 PM |
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"SlootNews" <Sloot@isp.com> wrote in message
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The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems
Hello Retiche,
Why all the aliases? Are you ashamed of something?
--
Franz
"A first-rate laboratory is one in which mediocre scientists can
produce outstanding work"
P.M.S. Blackett
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems |
09 Mar 2005 11:42:43 AM |
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SlootNews wrote:
The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems
[snip 120 lines of ignorant crap]
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Move cursor over blinkers to hear Retic's lecture.
Psychotic ineducable boring spammer retic (Ernest Wittke),
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The entire remainder of the planet sees you this way,
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The source material for this posting may be found in "Gravity" (1987),
"The Einstein Hoax" (1997), and "Corrections to Residual Errors in Special
Relativity (1999)
[snip]
Hey, stooopid spammer Ernest Wittke - Do you want EVIDENCE? Each of
the 24 GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks or
three rubidum atomic clocks in orbit, with full relativistic
corrections being applied. NAVSTAR Block II GPS satellites (currently
being launched as replacements) have two rubidium and two cesium
atomic clocks.
Internal inconsistencies in SR (meaning inconsistencies of a purely
mathematical logical nature) automatically lead to contradictions in
number theory, itself, and arithmetic, since the mathematics of
Minkowski geometry is equiconsistent with the theory of real numbers
and with arithmetic.
<http://optoelectronics.perkinelmer.com/content/Datasheets/rfs2f.pdf>
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html>
Mathematics of gravitation
<http://wugrav.wustl.edu/people/CMW/update98.pdf>
<http://www.astro.northwestern.edu/AspenW04/Papers/lorimer1.pdf>
Equivalence Principle testing
http://arXiv.org/abs/hep-th/0111236
Geometric structure of reality
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0103044
http://arXiv.org/abs/hep-th/0307140
GR structure, especially Part 4/p. 7
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity
<http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti2002/paper20.pdf>
Nature 425 374 (2003)
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture16.pdf>
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html>
Relativity in the GPS system
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9909014
Amer. J. Phys. 71 770 (2003)
Phys. Rev. Lett. 92 121101 (2004)
falling light
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html>
<http://metrologyforum.tm.agilent.com/pdf/flying_clock_math.pdf>
http://metrologyforum.tm.agilent.com/cesium.shtml
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0008012
Hafele-Keating Experiment
http://www.hawaii.edu/suremath/SRtwinParadox.html
<http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/twins.html>
Twin Paradox
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-5/index.html>
<http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1473_1.asp>
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0405160
Black hole evaporation
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0409089
Spin-2 gravitons have problems
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.strings/msg/ba31a00f5f26277a>
(so does the proposal)
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0411113
<http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/pdf/prl83-3585.pdf>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0301024
Phys. Rev. Lett. 93 261101 (2004)
Nordtvedt Effect
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0403292
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310723
WMAP + Sloane Digital Sky Survey
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0404175
Dark matter candidates
<http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll/frames.html>
Carroll on what it all means.
Special Relativity is physics on a topologically trivial Lorentzian
manifold with a metric whose curvature tensor is zero. This is a
perfectly diffeomorphism-invariant condition and does not require
any particular coordinate choice. It is invariant under
the full group of diffeomorphisms. The Poincare group is
the group of *isometries* of the metric in special relativity.
The Special Relativity metric is *non-dynamical* (unlike GR). It
defines the coupling *constants* of your theory. If you change the
metric in any nontrivial way you are changing your theory. An
operation can only be called a "symmetry" of a special-relativistic
(non-gravitational) theory if it preserves the metric, and therefore
the symmetry of special-relativistic theories is the Poincare group
only. General Relativity (gravitation) has a dynamic metric.
NIM A 355 537 (1995)
Physics Letters B 328 103 (1994)
Physical Review Letters 64 1697 (1990)
Physical Review Letters 39 1051 (1977)
Physical Review 135 B1071 (1964)
Physics Letters 12 260 (1964)
Europhysics Letters 56(2) 170-174 (2001)
General Relativity and Gravitation 34(9) 1371 (2002)
http://fourmilab.to/etexts/einstein/specrel/specrel.pdf
<http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/sr/ae_1905_error.htm>
<http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/finkelstein/relativity.pdf>
Longitudinal and transverse mass
Physics Today 58(3) 34 (2005)
Time passage, equator vs. poles
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0306076.pdf
<http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/gps/absolute-gps-1meter-3.ASP>
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/gpsuser/gpsuser.pdf
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/sigspec/default.htm
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/icd200/default.htm
http://www.trimble.com/gps/index.html
http://sirius.chinalake.navy.mil/satpred/
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/mog9/node9.html
http://egtphysics.net/GPS/RelGPS.htm
http://www.schriever.af.mil/gps/Current/current.oa1
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html
<http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html>
If anyone
provides a significant rebuttal that cannot be objectively answered, the
material at the Website will be withdrawn.
Right, like your head has ever been withdrawn from your ***** - even
when you *****.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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09 Mar 2005 10:22:32 AM |
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SlootNews wrote:
The Making of Observations in Relativistic Systems
A while ago a program was presented on NOVA in which a physicist
described an experiment. In this experiment he used two identical atomic
clocks and transported one of them around the world in a jet aircraft.
Hafele and Keating Experiment
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html#c3
Special Relativity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SpecialRelativity.html
What is the experimental basis of Special Relativity?
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html
"General Relativity in the Global Positioning System" by Neil Ashby
http://rattler.cameron.edu/EMIS/journals/LRG/Articles/Volume6/2003-1ashby/index.html
http://www.edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html#Relativity
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html
"General Relativity in the Global Positioning System" by Clifford M. Will
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
http://www.edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html#Relativity
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html
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