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08 Apr 2006 02:20:39 AM |
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The most fundamental things in physics |
What are the most fundamental concepts of physics? And what are the
most basic laws of physics? You guys please post your comments.
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| User: "Peter Christensen" |
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| Title: Re: The most fundamental things in physics |
08 Apr 2006 03:15:04 AM |
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A short answer from me would be:
* spacetime: (x,y,z,t)
* Energy and momentum: (E, p_x, p_y, p_z)
* mass and velocity: m and v
* Electromagnetic fields: Electric fields (E-vector) and magnetic fields
(B-vector)
When it comes to laws and equations, then I'm not sure about it. Newtons
laws are not so important today, when things are defined from relativity
instead. Einsteins relation for energy, mass and momentum is important to
remember. Maybe also Maxwells Equations should be mentioned. Otherwise, I
can't really tell what laws and relations are the most fundamental...
PC
<fraternitydisposal@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1144480839.641721.313220@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
What are the most fundamental concepts of physics? And what are the
most basic laws of physics? You guys please post your comments.
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| User: "Hexenmeister" |
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| Title: Re: The most fundamental things in physics |
08 Apr 2006 06:29:32 AM |
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"Peter Christensen" <PeCh@MailAPS.org> wrote in message
news:44377104$0$15782$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
|A short answer from me would be:
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| * spacetime: (x,y,z,t)
| * Energy and momentum: (E, p_x, p_y, p_z)
| * mass and velocity: m and v
| * Electromagnetic fields: Electric fields (E-vector) and magnetic fields
| (B-vector)
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| When it comes to laws and equations, then I'm not sure about it. Newtons
| laws are not so important today
A short answer from me would be:
Fucking moron.
Androcles.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: The most fundamental things in physics |
08 Apr 2006 08:19:07 AM |
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Peter Christensen wrote:
A short answer from me would be:
* spacetime: (x,y,z,t)
* Energy and momentum: (E, p_x, p_y, p_z)
* mass and velocity: m and v
* Electromagnetic fields: Electric fields (E-vector) and magnetic fields
(B-vector)
* causality
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Entropy comes first. |
09 Apr 2006 02:05:01 AM |
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Hi Fraternity_Disposal,
You asked about the most fundamental postulates of physics.
Entropy comes first.
Entropy is how dissipated something is,
similar to heat capacity, in joules per kelvin.
Infinite Density_and_Heat has no entropy and
perfect Vacuity_and_Coldness has infinite entropy,
....and neither has ever existed in nature.
Notionally, the cosmos is going from no entropy to infinite entropy
according to the second law of thermodynamics and
the observed value of General_Relativity's cosmological _Constant_, lambda.
^^^^^^^^
WMAP and SNLS have _Very_ precisely pinned down lambda's value.
SNLS' prelimiary data, one tenth of what it hopes to get,
has lambda constant, +- 10 percent, for the last 8 billion years.
By 2008, SNLS hopes to narrow that down to a 3 percent error.
SNAP hopes to drop it to 1 percent: SNAP.LBL.GOV/science.html
Only SNAP, tentatively launching 2010, can measure high_z values,
i.e. high red-shift, deep infrared, the first supernovae.
Instead of an entire cosmos almost instantly popping into existence,
-- as the inflation theory so absurdly posits --,
I say that, measurable or not, Lambda has _Always_ been constant.
So density is what's left-over from the notional start of the big bang.
That's where gravity came from, and where it's going,
along the fifth _Spatial_ dimension: Space_Time_Entropy.
The next most fundamental postulate is that time is intrinsically spatial.
Einstein believed randomness indicates a lack of measurement, saying:
But the scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation.
The future, to him, is every whit as necessary and determined as the past.
See WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views
While the spin of the earth and it's path around the sun are well known,
a priori, the spin of a photon and its path are _Never_ fully known,
even after it's, ahem, measured.
So... The key to understanding cosmology and TOEs is noting that
nothing is intrinsically random; instead, some things are simply unknown,
given _Today_'s best observations/theories.
^^^^^
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Entropy comes first. |
09 Apr 2006 04:05:21 AM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_9_HoCl@Cotse.NET...
along the fifth _Spatial_ dimension: Space_Time_Entropy.
Nope.
Your posts consist of one of two things. Either a pure quotemine from
Wikipedia or your occasional "thoughts" on physics. Everytime you try to
post your own ideas you are wrong. What does this tell you?
You don't even know why five spatial dimensions would cause problems. Is it
not on Wiki anywhere?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Entropy comes first. |
09 Apr 2006 09:07:44 AM |
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Jeff...Relf wrote:
Entropy comes first.
Entropy is how dissipated something is,
similar to heat capacity, in joules per kelvin.
Ridiculous.
Instead of an entire cosmos almost instantly popping into existence,
-- as the inflation theory so absurdly posits --,
I say that, measurable or not, Lambda has _Always_ been constant.
So density is what's left-over from the notional start of the big bang.
That's where gravity came from, and where it's going,
along the fifth _Spatial_ dimension: Space_Time_Entropy.
This is just plain idiotic.
The next most fundamental postulate is that time is intrinsically spatial.
Wrong. Idiot.
Einstein believed randomness indicates a lack of measurement, saying:
But the scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation.
The future, to him, is every whit as necessary and determined as the past.
See WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views
While the spin of the earth and it's path around the sun are well known,
a priori, the spin of a photon and its path are _Never_ fully known,
even after it's, ahem, measured.
So... The key to understanding cosmology and TOEs is noting that
nothing is intrinsically random; instead, some things are simply unknown,
given _Today_'s best observations/theories.
You are spewing nonsense.
I have to agree with Eric Gisse.
Order and disorder are as fundamental as causality, but you keep on
spouting the same old ***** about things being unknown, and this
cannot imply randomness. You have been given counterexamples.
I have to agree with Eric Gisse.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Randomness indicates a lack of measurement and information. |
10 Apr 2006 04:58:54 AM |
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Hi Radical_Libertarian, You wrote:
Order and disorder are as fundamental as causality, but you keep on
spouting the same old ***** about things being unknown, and this
cannot imply randomness. You have been given counterexamples.
Nothing I can say will dissuade you from your love affair with ignorance
and your distain for the horrible truth about entropy and evolution.
You're drunk on sci-fi and have no desire to become sober.
But the least you can do is understand the terms you are using.
Entropy is how cold, vacuous and dissipated something is.
Randomness indicates a lack of measurement and information.
Enjoying Morcheeba's _What_New_York_Couples_Fight_About_
Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_What_New_York_Couples_Fight_About_.MP3
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Randomness indicates a lack of measurement and information. |
11 Apr 2006 03:02:46 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_10_B2SX@Cotse.NET...
Hi Radical_Libertarian, You wrote:
Order and disorder are as fundamental as causality, but you keep on
spouting the same old ***** about things being unknown, and this
cannot imply randomness. You have been given counterexamples.
Nothing I can say will dissuade you from your love affair with ignorance
Well, you could re-word that to say that nothing you say makes sense.
and your distain for the horrible truth about entropy and evolution.
You're drunk on sci-fi and have no desire to become sober.
Your only response to criticism is to accuse everyone else of being obsessed
with science fiction and drunk.
In reality, this more accurately describes your state of mind.
But the least you can do is understand the terms you are using.
Entropy is how cold, vacuous and dissipated something is.
Randomness indicates a lack of measurement and information.
Enjoying Morcheeba's _What_New_York_Couples_Fight_About_
Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_What_New_York_Couples_Fight_About_.MP3
So what?
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| User: "CrankHater" |
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| Title: Re: Randomness indicates a lack of measurement and information. |
10 Apr 2006 05:16:20 AM |
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Jeff...Relf wrote:
Hi Radical_Libertarian, You wrote:
Order and disorder are as fundamental as causality, but you keep on
spouting the same old ***** about things being unknown, and this
cannot imply randomness. You have been given counterexamples.
Nothing I can say will dissuade you from your love affair with ignorance
and your distain for the horrible truth about entropy and evolution.
You're drunk on sci-fi and have no desire to become sober.
But the least you can do is understand the terms you are using.
Entropy is how cold, vacuous and dissipated something is.
Randomness indicates a lack of measurement and information.
Enjoying Morcheeba's _What_New_York_Couples_Fight_About_
Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_What_New_York_Couples_Fight_About_.MP3
shut up idiot. you have no idea what you are talking about.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: How am supposed to kick such a tiny ***** ? |
10 Apr 2006 05:33:31 AM |
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Hi Crank_Hater, You quoted everything I wrote, but only replied:
shut up idiot. you have no idea what you are talking about.
Give me more to work with here, Crank_Hater.
How am supposed to kick such a tiny ***** ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: How am supposed to kick such a tiny ***** ? |
11 Apr 2006 03:17:42 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_10_GAJw@Cotse.NET...
Hi Crank_Hater, You quoted everything I wrote, but only replied:
shut up idiot. you have no idea what you are talking about.
Give me more to work with here, Crank_Hater.
How am supposed to kick such a tiny ***** ?
How do you know s/he has a tiny *****? Is this part of your fantasy life now
you cant get your "young looking" teenagers into your room?
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: How am supposed to kick such a tiny ***** ? |
10 Apr 2006 01:59:07 PM |
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Jeff...Relf wrote:
[snip usual Relf droppings]
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| Title: Re: How am supposed to kick such a tiny ***** ? |
10 Apr 2006 08:28:06 AM |
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Reff - you are full of *****.
Entropy is >not< a physical dimension.
Randomness is >not< caused by lack of information.
Idiot.
Order and disorder are very much akin to causality. You do not say that
an effect has no cause simply because you didnt see it, or didnt
measure it. You could say that an effect has no cause if the effect
"cannot possibly be measured".
Consider the tossing of a die. If you had a very high speed x-ray
machine, and you could see the dice bouncing around in the dice cup, in
principle you could calculate what those dice will yield when they
finally come to rest. If you had enough information, and it is
obtainable, you could know the outcome in advance. Dice are not random.
Having said that, there is probably some information about the dice
which is absolutely unobtainable regardless of what kind of equipment
you can afford to build. If information is physically unobtainable by
any means, then you will have some degree of acausality, or randomness,
similar to Kolomogorov or Chaitin. But this immediately brings you to a
variety of paradoxes.
I told you many times. Pure disorder is trivial. Pure order is trivial.
Everything in the physical world is a blend of order and disorder. The
math to understand this does not exist yet.
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10 Apr 2006 04:07:38 PM |
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Hi Radical_Libertarian, Remember Newton ?
Do you recall that it was Einstein that first convinced the world
that photons and atoms are particles ?
With GR's field equations, and a clock that's accurate to 10 ^ -16 seconds,
you can easily tell how it ticks faster or slower at minute changes in altitude.
Newton couldn't do that... remember ?
What makes you think measurements, including theories,
won't become finer still ?
You told me:
You could say that an effect has no cause if the effect
"cannot possibly be measured".
Sure you could say that... if you wanted to look retarded !
Randomness indicates a lack of measurement,
possibly due to inadequate _Theories_.
Einstein believed randomness indicates a lack of measurement, saying:
But the scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation.
The future, to him, is every whit as necessary and determined as the past.
See WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views
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11 Apr 2006 03:04:49 PM |
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"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Apr_10_XFna@Cotse.NET...
<snip relfish nonsense
But the scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation.
The future, to him, is every whit as necessary and determined as the
past.
See WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views
You constantly cite the bit of Wiki *you* wrote... Why is this?
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Jeff...Relf wrote:
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| Title: Re: Entropy comes first. |
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Jeff...Relf wrote:
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