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30 Sep 2006 01:11:11 PM |
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The oldest and simplest motor |
It was steam jets rotating a hollow metal globe. Steam is still man's
greatest energy source. Its turbines that turn are generators.
Spin is always in Bert
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
30 Sep 2006 04:24:23 PM |
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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote in message
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| It was steam jets rotating a hollow metal globe. Steam is still man's
| greatest energy source. Its turbines that turn are generators.
| Spin is always in Bert
Steam is not an energy source.
The energy source is the fossil fuel that heats steam (chemical)
or the nuclear "fuel" in the reactor. Ultimately all energy sources
are from the sun or stars. The oldest motor is the horse or ox.
http://www.panhala.net/Archive/The%20ploughman.jpg
Windmills and water wheels are simpler than steam.
A hydroelectric plant is an adaptation of the water wheel.
These are becoming ever more popular:
http://www.hydrogennow.org/images/Wind/Ponnequin3.jpg
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
30 Sep 2006 05:02:24 PM |
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"Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message news:bgBTg.53663$PD.23580@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote in message
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| It was steam jets rotating a hollow metal globe. Steam is still man's
| greatest energy source. Its turbines that turn are generators.
| Spin is always in Bert
Steam is not an energy source.
The energy source is the fossil fuel that heats steam (chemical)
or the nuclear "fuel" in the reactor. Ultimately all energy sources
are from the sun or stars.
And the sun or the stars have always been there, right.
Good thinking.
Sharp.
As always.
The oldest motor is the horse or ox.
Don't forget yourself.
Don't forget the pig.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
30 Sep 2006 06:06:04 PM |
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Sorcerer wrote:
Steam is not an energy source.
Excellent point.
The energy source is the fossil fuel that heats steam (chemical)
or the nuclear "fuel" in the reactor. Ultimately all energy sources
are from the sun or stars.
Which in turn convert gravitational potential energy into more
high-density forms of energy in the form of heavy nuclei.
The oldest motor is the horse or ox.
Before humans domesticated horses
http://www.kyhorsepark.com/imh/kyhpl1b.html#xtocid2243616
or oxen
http://www.answers.com/topic/predynastic-egypt
for work they put their wives, children, and the surviving women and
children of neighboring tribes to work for them.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
01 Oct 2006 04:48:09 AM |
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"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Sorcerer wrote:
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| > Steam is not an energy source.
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| Excellent point.
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| > The energy source is the fossil fuel that heats steam (chemical)
| > or the nuclear "fuel" in the reactor. Ultimately all energy sources
| > are from the sun or stars.
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| Which in turn convert gravitational potential energy into more
| high-density forms of energy in the form of heavy nuclei.
If your big bang were correct there would be no new stars
formed -- but this beyond my reply to Herbie, who isn't all that
bright.
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| > The oldest motor is the horse or ox.
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| Before humans domesticated horses
| http://www.kyhorsepark.com/imh/kyhpl1b.html#xtocid2243616
| or oxen
| http://www.answers.com/topic/predynastic-egypt
| for work they put their wives, children, and the surviving women and
| children of neighboring tribes to work for them.
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Self propelled is not using a motor. I daresay the dog sled
came earlier, it is easier for a child to bond with a puppy
than something larger than he/she is and grazing animals
do not do well at the edge of the receding ice 11,000 years ago
where survival depended more on intelligence than muscle.
Neolithic man still hunted the bison up until the Winchester
rifle almost made them extinct, along with Neolithic man.
They migrated to Oklahoma under pressure from Europeans
more adapted to cold climes.
I have heard the expression "three dog night", but only
in your part of the world where sleeping with animals
for mutual warmth is apparently still recent, and in one case
I have personal knowledge of, current. Then again, slavery
is also recent in Richmond Va, still in use in 1865 while
James Watt was developing steam power (1765) in Britain
to free the cotton-pickin' niggas 100 years earlier, they'd
still be slaves today without the industrial revolution.
Of course Watt's objective was to pump water from mines
to get at the coal for warmth and make money, so it wasn't
entirely altruistic.
Androcles.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
01 Oct 2006 05:08:44 AM |
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"Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message news:t9MTg.67011$wg.45491@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Sorcerer wrote:
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| > Steam is not an energy source.
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| Excellent point.
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| > The energy source is the fossil fuel that heats steam (chemical)
| > or the nuclear "fuel" in the reactor. Ultimately all energy sources
| > are from the sun or stars.
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| Which in turn convert gravitational potential energy into more
| high-density forms of energy in the form of heavy nuclei.
If your big bang were correct there would be no new stars
formed -- but this beyond my reply to Herbie, who isn't all that
bright.
The ultimate refutation of the Big Bang:
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/BBRefute.html
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
02 Oct 2006 11:59:34 PM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
It was steam jets rotating a hollow metal globe. Steam is still man's
greatest energy source [not]. It[']s turbines that turn are [our] generators.
Spin is always in [my mind.] Bert
Herb--Is your mind going? Perhaps it's time for you to do like Aladar--
retire to the countryside and paint flowers.
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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03 Oct 2006 04:51:23 AM |
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On a sunny day (Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:59:34 GMT) it happened Sam Wormley
<swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in <W6mUg.178340$FQ1.46593@attbi_s71>:
G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
It was steam jets rotating a hollow metal globe. Steam is still man's
greatest energy source [not]. It[']s turbines that turn are [our] generators.
Spin is always in [my mind.] Bert
Herb--Is your mind going? Perhaps it's time for you to do like Aladar--
retire to the countryside and paint flowers.
Why do you insult Herb?
He is right, I have seen that machine demonstated, and steam turbines is
what power your PC.
Maybe you should take your own suggestion?
It is an interesting thing in itself what society at that time did not use
these things.
Da Vinchi later had gears, that machine with gears could have moved a lot.
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| User: "hanson" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
03 Oct 2006 08:32:15 AM |
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"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On a sunny day (Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:59:34 GMT) it happened Sam Wormley
<swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in <W6mUg.178340$FQ1.46593@attbi_s71>:
G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
It was steam jets rotating a hollow metal globe. Steam is still man's
greatest energy source [not]. It[']s turbines that turn are [our]
generators.
Spin is always in [my mind.] Bert
[Sam]
Herb--Is your mind going? Perhaps it's time for you to do
like Aladar-- retire to the countryside and paint flowers.
[Pante]
Why do you insult Herb?
He is right, I have seen that machine demonstated,
and steam turbines is what power your PC.
[hanson]
.... ahahaha... Pante, don't go that route unless you
include the sources that power the turbines.. all the
way back to the BB and before....
[Pante]
Maybe you [Sam] should take your own suggestion?
[hanson]
.... maybe you then too should ... like Aladar-- retire to the
countryside and paint flowers... Why do you insult Sam?
[Pante]
It is an interesting thing in itself what society at that
time did not use these things. Da Vinchi later had gears,
that machine with gears could have moved a lot.
[hanson]
ahahaha... but these unknown Da Vinchi's later gears must have
originated from the well known Da Vinci's earlier ones that didn't
move a lot except for the Pope's ire...
Thanks for the laughs, Pante... ahahahaha.... ahahahanson
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
03 Oct 2006 10:51:28 AM |
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On a sunny day (Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:32:15 GMT) it happened "hanson"
<hanson@quick.net> wrote in <zDtUg.4841$753.4123@trnddc05>:
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On a sunny day (Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:59:34 GMT) it happened Sam Wormley
<swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in <W6mUg.178340$FQ1.46593@attbi_s71>:
G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
It was steam jets rotating a hollow metal globe. Steam is still man's
greatest energy source [not]. It[']s turbines that turn are [our]
generators.
Spin is always in [my mind.] Bert
[Sam]
Herb--Is your mind going? Perhaps it's time for you to do
like Aladar-- retire to the countryside and paint flowers.
[Pante]
Why do you insult Herb?
He is right, I have seen that machine demonstated,
and steam turbines is what power your PC.
[hanson]
... ahahaha... Pante, don't go that route unless you
include the sources that power the turbines.. all the
way back to the BB and before....
[Pante]
Maybe you [Sam] should take your own suggestion?
[hanson]
... maybe you then too should ... like Aladar-- retire to the
countryside and paint flowers... Why do you insult Sam?
How can one insult google results?
Even the selection sucks, the reasoning is wrong etc...
[Pante]
It is an interesting thing in itself what society at that
time did not use these things. Da Vinchi later had gears,
that machine with gears could have moved a lot.
[hanson]
ahahaha... but these unknown Da Vinchi's later gears must have
originated from the well known Da Vinci's earlier ones that didn't
move a lot except for the Pope's ire...
Thanks for the laughs, Pante... ahahahaha.... ahahahanson
Where you saying not so long ago you were Amish?
Well violence comes to those too it seems.
As a kid somebody gave me a book on Da Vinci (not the codes), and I found
him clear thinking and inspiring.
This 'property' of being able to connect things across sciences is a good
thing.
And real science and real design and art are strongly related, in fact the
engineer that build the big beautiful bridge is an artist, just a different
brush.
Sam makes photos, I make videos, you make hahahahahas so nothing new.
To each his own.
BTW for you it is El Pante.
No need to fear El Pante, but if you do you are lost.
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
03 Oct 2006 08:28:22 AM |
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Jan Reality is Sam and I go back many years. Sam has a Google brain,and
has never done any original thinking. He is jealous of me,because I can
think hypothetically. Other than that he is good to his wife. He does
not come home at night. It is possible the oldest motor was a Chinese
water clock,or an undercut water wheel using man power to turn the
blades Bert.
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
03 Oct 2006 10:51:31 AM |
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On a sunny day (Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:28:22 -0400) it happened
herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in
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Jan Reality is Sam and I go back many years. Sam has a Google brain,and
has never done any original thinking.
;-) You noticed.
Maybe he does, but does not publish -fear to be wrong-, a dangerous thing
after calling so many people crackpots.
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
03 Oct 2006 08:17:22 AM |
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Sam I like painting tulips. Country side sounds like rolling hills,and
there are no hills in Florida Bert
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
03 Oct 2006 09:09:01 AM |
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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote in message
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| Sam I like painting tulips. Country side sounds like rolling hills,and
| there are no hills in Florida Bert
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Do what Alice did, then. Paint the roses red as well as the tulips.
http://tinyurl.com/jll4e
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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03 Oct 2006 09:13:37 AM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Sam I like painting tulips. Country side sounds like rolling hills,and
there are no hills in Florida Bert
With the rising sea level, you might want to come visit me--even though
I'm on the flat from the last glacier (no glazier), we can easily drive
to the rolling hills less than 20 miles away. Various types of flowers
from Feb. through Oct. too.
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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03 Oct 2006 05:56:39 PM |
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Gee Sam, That was a very nice post. Are you mellowing with age.
Chinese engineers knew how to drill down hundreds of feet over 5,000
years ago. Chinese had rockets Must have had some machinery for silk
cloths. The wheel barrel was invented in 1130 AD. Bert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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03 Oct 2006 06:53:52 PM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Gee Sam, That was a very nice post. Are you mellowing with age.
Chinese engineers knew how to drill down hundreds of feet over 5,000
years ago. Chinese had rockets Must have had some machinery for silk
cloths. The wheel barrel was invented in 1130 AD. Bert
No point is sticking at or soon to be below sea level, Herb. Come
to Iowa for a visit.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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30 Sep 2006 04:00:04 PM |
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In sci.physics, G=EMC^2 Glazier
<herbertglazier@webtv.net>
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on Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:11:11 -0400
<23999-451EB33F-522@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>:
It was steam jets rotating a hollow metal globe. Steam is still man's
greatest energy source. Its turbines that turn are generators.
Spin is always in Bert
Steam is an energy conveyance, not a source -- unless you're counting
geothermal, and even there it's still not a source; the source is
either Earth formation energy or radioactivity in that particular case.
However, Hero's aeolipile, while little more than a toy, was one of
the first on record prior to sometime in the late 17th or early 18th
century, where devices that were at least contemplated to be useful
started to be built.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_engine
James Watt's innovation apparently was to take the condensor in a vacuum
steam engine into a separate area and therefore keep the steam cylinder
at the right temperature. This was apparently in 1769.
--
#191,
Useless C++ Programming Idea #23291:
item *p; if(p != 0) delete p;
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
30 Sep 2006 03:51:40 PM |
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On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:11:11 -0400) it happened
herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in
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It was steam jets rotating a hollow metal globe. Steam is still man's
greatest energy source. Its turbines that turn are generators.
Spin is always in Bert
Yes I have seen that too in a TV program.
But 'motor' was useless to them then, as they had slaves.
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: The oldest and simplest motor |
30 Sep 2006 06:19:03 PM |
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Jan We still have slaves that see to it that motors keep running.China
has the most slaves thanks to Wal-Mart Bert
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