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14 Feb 2005 08:06:26 PM |
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The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
From: ralph (ralph@eddlewood.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian
Newsgroups: talk.religion.pantheism, soc.culture.usa, alt.politics.usa.misc,
talk.politics.misc, talk.philosophy.humanism
Date: 2005-02-14 14:40:53 PST
In message <58087ec7.0502140922.5924aebf@posting.google.com>, SDR
<sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> writes
Too late for Einstein, we begin here from the specific proposition that
there is no fundamental difference between "matter" and the "primordial
material" (some may term "scalar mass" or simply "energy") and that
they are but merely two levels of the same single process of
"matter-organization" (simply many orders of magnitude distant from
each other).
I do not understand this passage. Are you aware of the equation e=mc^2?
The equation means that matter IS energy, and my passage above
obviously states that matter is energy (if you read further you
will see the purpose of the passage--setting up the solution to
the origin of energy itself). There is no dispute between Einstein
and I. The only differences are that with the latest information
I can now describe the evolution of the universe FROM energy to
matter... without having to invent some magical curtain behind
which (the Big Bang) such a transition took place.
In it Einstein quantifies the relationship.
His famous (was it his? is another question not relevant here)
equation basically boils down to "there is a humongous amount of
energy if a bit of matter." If you read my text (where I do not
quantify the relationship either because I just do not have the
tools or the time to do so, but others may yet accomplish it to
some degree of accuracy), if you read my text you will realize
that the size of the cosmic hollow that collapsed into our visible
universe of matter was indeed as proportional in absolute size to
the resulting visible universe of matter at its core as energy
to matter in Einstein's equation (which is only an approximation,
after all). Only now you know WHY the humongous "proportion."
I am not going to plough on through your script if you cannot
clarify this point. -- ralph
I hope that I clarified it, and that you read the text.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://ar.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
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| User: "jjs" |
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| Title: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
19 Feb 2005 05:04:33 PM |
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"SDR" <sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
news:58087ec7.0502141806.4a3c7217@posting.google.com...
The equation means that matter IS energy
No, matter _is_ not energy until acted upon so that becomes energy. So out
with the equivalence metrics - of what moment do they speak of? A real one?
One to become? Or is the universe is, largely, moving at the speed of light
and matter is just a little late in the observation?
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| User: "SDR" |
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| Title: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
20 Feb 2005 01:29:04 AM |
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"jjs" <jjs@nospam.net> wrote in message news:<111fhg1qtcfr279@news.supernews.com>...
"SDR" <sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
news:58087ec7.0502141806.4a3c7217@posting.google.com...
The equation means that matter IS energy
No, matter _is_ not energy until acted upon so that becomes energy. So out
with the equivalence metrics - of what moment do they speak of? A real one?
One to become? Or is the universe is, largely, moving at the speed of light
and matter is just a little late in the observation?
Yes. Exactly like "bread = dought" (except the conversion
between bread & dough is more nearly a one to one one): There
is French bread, there is pasta, and crackers. But if we're
going to swap recipes, it's gonna take us a long pointless
parade of posts. And Einstein's letter to FDR boiled down to
his explaining to the president that E=MC^2 (I don't believe
he actually included any cracker recipes)...
SDR
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| User: "George Dishman" |
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| Title: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
20 Feb 2005 03:24:07 AM |
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"SDR" <sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
news:58087ec7.0502192329.3f53e27@posting.google.com...
"jjs" <jjs@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:<111fhg1qtcfr279@news.supernews.com>...
"SDR" <sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
news:58087ec7.0502141806.4a3c7217@posting.google.com...
The equation means that matter IS energy
No, matter _is_ not energy until acted upon so that becomes energy. So
out
with the equivalence metrics - of what moment do they speak of? A real
one?
One to become? Or is the universe is, largely, moving at the speed of
light
and matter is just a little late in the observation?
Yes. Exactly like "bread = dought" (except the conversion
between bread & dough is more nearly a one to one one): There
is French bread, there is pasta, and crackers. But if we're
going to swap recipes, it's gonna take us a long pointless
parade of posts. And Einstein's letter to FDR boiled down to
his explaining to the president that E=MC^2 (I don't believe
he actually included any cracker recipes)...
To see how energy relates mass, just compare the mass
of a proton with that of the constituent quarks. The
shortfall is kinetic energy.
George
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
20 Feb 2005 08:14:41 AM |
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SDR wrote:
Yes. Exactly like "bread = dought" (except the conversion
between bread & dough is more nearly a one to one one): There
is French bread, there is pasta, and crackers. But if we're
going to swap recipes, it's gonna take us a long pointless
parade of posts. And Einstein's letter to FDR boiled down to
his explaining to the president that E=MC^2 (I don't believe
he actually included any cracker recipes)...
SDR
Einstein didn't even write the letter!
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| User: "SDR" |
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| Title: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
20 Feb 2005 02:37:23 PM |
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Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<lX0Sd.31017$4q6.15838@attbi_s01>...
SDR wrote:
Yes. Exactly like "bread = dought" (except the conversion
between bread & dough is more nearly a one to one one): There
is French bread, there is pasta, and crackers. But if we're
going to swap recipes, it's gonna take us a long pointless
parade of posts. And Einstein's letter to FDR boiled down to
his explaining to the president that E=MC^2 (I don't believe
he actually included any cracker recipes)...
SDR
Einstein didn't even write the letter!
That was because Einstein was very incompetent when it came to
operating simple machines (he never learned how to drive, he
had trouble tying his shoes, and obviously he couldn't even hold
a pen properly). Also, he was spoon-fed his cereal, combed, and
for a long time he kept forgetting what toilet paper was for (so
his apartment was a place rarely visited by others... and then
only once).
SDR
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| User: "Double-A" |
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| Title: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
20 Feb 2005 04:23:48 PM |
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SDR wrote:
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:<lX0Sd.31017$4q6.15838@attbi_s01>...
SDR wrote:
Yes. Exactly like "bread = dought" (except the conversion
between bread & dough is more nearly a one to one one): There
is French bread, there is pasta, and crackers. But if we're
going to swap recipes, it's gonna take us a long pointless
parade of posts. And Einstein's letter to FDR boiled down to
his explaining to the president that E=MC^2 (I don't believe
he actually included any cracker recipes)...
SDR
Einstein didn't even write the letter!
That was because Einstein was very incompetent when it came to
operating simple machines (he never learned how to drive,
He had a chauffer.
he
had trouble tying his shoes,
He wore loafers.
and obviously he couldn't even hold
a pen properly).
He typed.
Also, he was spoon-fed his cereal,
Better than fork fed.
combed,
Ah come on! His hair was never combed!
and
for a long time he kept forgetting what toilet paper was for
What IS it for?
(so
his apartment was a place rarely visited by others... and then
only once).
SDR
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| User: "Al On Wheelz" |
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| Title: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
22 Feb 2005 12:09:43 PM |
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On 20 Feb 2005 14:23:48 -0800, "Double-A" wrote:
and for a long time he kept forgetting what toilet paper was for
What IS it for?
Decorating one's neighbors' houses and trees.
AoW
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Al On Wheelz
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
20 Feb 2005 04:14:12 PM |
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SDR wrote:
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<lX0Sd.31017$4q6.15838@attbi_s01>...
Einstein didn't even write the letter!
That was because Einstein was very incompetent when it came to
operating simple machines (he never learned how to drive, he
had trouble tying his shoes, and obviously he couldn't even hold
a pen properly). Also, he was spoon-fed his cereal, combed, and
for a long time he kept forgetting what toilet paper was for (so
his apartment was a place rarely visited by others... and then
only once).
No, you are wrong.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
14 Feb 2005 08:40:22 PM |
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SDR wrote:
[snip insignificance]
God fart. The universe and everything in it is an ignited god fart.
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://members.aol.com/bookspine/
The Compleat Incompetent.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "SDR" |
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| Title: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian |
15 Feb 2005 03:40:50 AM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<42116116.D7319A61@hate.spam.net>...
SDR wrote:
[snip insignificance]
God fart. The universe and everything in it is an ignited god fart.
Well, that's ... nice. But, do you happen to know
what God could have possibly been eating to cause
Him to undergo such an all-get-out (and get-out-of-
my-way) blow?
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://ar.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
Always base yourself firmly on reality not math: Math
can be made to stand for anything and thereby give any
results you like. But once you start trying to substitute
other things for reality... well, that's obviously crazy.
.... "Uncle Al" ...? Man, you just know this guy's gonna end up
being arrested as some sort of pervert--like that Gacy "clown."
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