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The philosophy and metapysics of time- red vrs blue |
If we want to discuss the philosophy of time, first we need a framework
for discussion. We have to define some terms and put things into a
context. Epistemology as it is called in philosophy. Talking about what
we are going to talk about and how.
And so from a philosophical perspective, based on real physics as well,
grounded in reality as it were, time is like an arrow, from the big
bang, and outward in all directions, and the size of the universe at
present, tells us the age of the universe based on what we know to be
the speed of light etc. And I am not going to enter into semantics or
discuss if there was a big bang, we are merely saying that time is an
arrow. It flows forward by nature.
We age, things break down due to entropy, organized systems break down
into less organized systems, like a clock, will rust in a pond, and
dissolve and be back to raw elements over time due to the forces of
nature. A grandfather clock won't appear in rock, as a natural process
of evolution, because it takes an intelligence working to make a clock,
you won't find a fully formed Boeing 747 in rock that happened because
nature was self organizing. That isn't going to happen. It has to be
manufactured and put into an organized state of complexity.
We do not see natural processes, that are complex, we see natural
proceses, that appear mechanichal. The crystalization of rock. That
sort of thing. Only when we get to natural biological processes, do we
see real complexity and real complex natural systems.
And so, time itself, is important to humans, because we are conscious,
and aware of our mortality. Rock is rock, and a billion year old rock,
is still just a rock and not any more special really unless you are a
geologist, than a 4 billion year old rock.
Now the interesting thing about how we measure the age of the universe,
is the Hubble constant. Which is arrived at by looking at the red and
blue shift of light.
Interestingly enough, in some brands of metaphysics, things which are
blue, are thought of as things being futuristic, and things being red,
represent things from the past, or oriented like that. That is to say,
a forward thinking person, a person who embraces high tech, is like a
blue type person, and a stalwart old person who tries to adhere to
tradition, and does not like to change, we think of them as being red.
Going further, a person who fears change, because something terrible
might happen, they are thinking negatively, most of the time, red
again, and a positive person, who embraces change looks forward to the
future, they are blue oriented.
Now people are neither all blue or all red, but there are negative
people, and there are positive people, and that is because they appear
to be more blue-like or more red-like in their leanings.
So you see that time is a factor, in our lives in how we approach life,
from a negative perspective or from a positive perspective. And I am
not passing judgement on which is better, to be safe, and fear change,
because you may live longer, or to be free and wild and take chances.
Obvisouly life is complicated and we swing back and forth and try to
find some degree of moderation, where the past meets the future, in the
present.
Now Hawking once stated and is often quoted as saying well if there are
time travellers where are they.
Well I'm sorry, but that is such a closedminded approach that it is
beyond belief. And from such a famous man, known for his intelligence.
I find it astounding.
Here they are.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/
And you may or may not have heard of a thing called the Disclosure
Project where the
very best most acredited professionals and military people, gave their
testimony.
Sorting out what is fact from what is fiction is probably impossible,
but one thing is
certain, it is not all fiction. To think that, is to be mentall
challenged. I mean you would have to have no common sense whatsover, or
be devoid of free will, to believe it does not exist.
Now what I find interesting in all this, is that this whole thing, from
Roswell onward,
was put in the charge of a handful of men. And it remained there
because they
said the people would panic. We hear that all the time.
And so only those with a need to know, and the highest clearance had
access
to that technology, and that information. It was compartmentalized.
This small handful, this small group heading up black budget projects
worth
billions, they had all the money they needed, they had the tech, and
they had the power.
So what if those few people were abducted by aliens, you frickin,
moronic, boobs.
They could take over the earth,
virtually
over night,
without ever firing a shot.
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16 Mar 2006 07:01:31 PM |
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And you can look at this situation, and say, well maybe there is a good
reason, why it is not being disclosed, why it is hushed up, why
materials are seized, records destroyed and it is kept top secret, it
is because of the possible effect it might have on our future.
If they are indeed travelling back in time, to our time, then they do
not want to disturb our time-line, they want minimum exposure.
We are not talking about the course of one life, as much as the
direction of the whole world. One life may be important as well, I
don't know, there are theories which talk about what if Lincoln or
Kenedy hadn't been assasinated and all that and maybe that is important
as well. The knowledge that people come here from the future, would not
be much more earth shaking than the speculation they might be.
Only the gifts they bring, like technology, or some advancement, is
going to change the world.
And so of course there are people who say that they come here to do
just that. To change our present to affect their future, but that is
not logical.
They come here, crash and burn, and I mean there have been some real
disasters, and they are seen all the time, and they often don't even
act covert, so they are not concerned, that if they stray off the path,
and squish a butterfly, some letters in their alphabet, will disappear
when they get home.
They are not that concerned. They act like tourists.
And if you know the story about Colonel Corso, the man who was in the
military in charge of distributing such back engineered things from
Roswell as fiber optics and the integrated circuit, you can see that it
has changed the world dramatically.
And from a philosophical perspective, the present, is more important
than the past or future, so you can do whatever you want, without
really taking the future into account. I mean the future as far as we
are concerned, is not written in stone, so we want what we can get, to
make our present better, and do not really consider what effect it
might have on the future because from our perspective, it is still just
a possibility. It does not exist in real terms.
We know that there is a multiverse according to quantum physics. We
know that there are such things as possible other time-lines which may
co-exist just like everything that could have happened, may have
happened in infinite time-space and could be happening all at the same
time etc. But we have a notion of the present. That is where we live.
The here and the now. If there is time travel, and they are coming here
to affect their future it is unlikely because time, when it comes to
atoms, is a localized phenomena.
A tree that falls in the forest, does not affect another galaxy, at
all.
It is just too far away, and too insignificant to make any meaningful
difference.
Because we look at the big bang, and measure time that way, we tend to
think that
the entire universe is connected by time, and if you could go back in
time,
the whole universe has to go backwards with you.
Time is not a constant commodity throughout the universe, only the
measure of time, the tick and tock of a clock, the scale is the same.
Because atomic reactions are the same, the elements are a fixed
commodity.
Time is in the atom. Group a bunch of atoms into a planet ot a solar
system,
and they chug along affected by the same forces in their zone, and
hence
the time zone for that area is grouped into a zone.
You can define that further and say at sea level, time is going at this
pace,
as opposed to elevation. Minute differences, but differences none the
less.
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16 Mar 2006 07:39:28 PM |
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We as a species, as an animal, really don't even know what makes us
tick. You know we know, we have a brain, we know, we are conscious, we
think, we have a spirit, and lets stop right there.
We don't know, what happens to us when we die, and we don't know, where
we came from before we were born, we just all of a sudden one day, in
our early childhood, seem to become aware that we are.
We just pop into existence, and every day when we go to sleep,
basically we are gone once again, and wake up and presto, we are once
again.
So we really don't know much about reality, except we know the math,
and we know that things are predicatble when it comes to the way in
which our arena, presents itself.
And within that arena, time is how we measure events.
Now since we do not know much about consciousness, we can't really
study it much.
We know little about it. We can't get an object viewpoint, people are
different, they seem to have different levels of consciousness.
And of course there is the line of reasoning, that the universe merely
presents itself to your consciousness, through your senses, and since
we agree on what we see etc, then that forms our belief regarding what
the universe is.
And if 7 of our other senses were being blocked, by some blindfold or
other we might be more, than this, and might live in a universe
different than this, but only be seeing a part of the elephant.
And all through history philosophers and ordinary people have said this
was so. That there is more to reality than exists in your philosophy
Horatio etc.
People see ghosts, people see shadow people, people experience thinsg
outside of the norm. And they talk about it, and it is dismissed by
science for the most part, at least some branches, not all.
But with these visitations from time travellers if that is what they
are, they seem to be coming here in real physical devices. There are
radar returns and all that. There is a physical element, that separates
them from ghosts or phantoms, yet for some strange reason, it must be
hidden, covered up, ridiculed, and mnade to not exist. So obviously
there is a giant conspiriacy of biblical proportions to maintain a
standard world view that doesn't frighten the herd, and so one has to
accept the most likely possibility, is that we are a zoo animal of a
sort, kept in this state of affairs by some higher powers.
But we are maturing quickly and we are learning fast, and we have
reached the point where we are not so easily fooled, and where we can
see behind that curtain somewhat.
Some more than others, but you can see, if you have a framework, and
know what to look for, occurances happening in the world, in the large,
the actual steering of the course of the world politically, socially,
etc, being done not by humans on this earth.
And that is why often the things we see in this world make no sense at
all.
That is because it is not humans running the show, so to us, the things
which occur do not make sense, are not grounded in reason.
If you have ever played that game the Sims, you can get a glimpse of
what it must be like to be an alien zoo keeper. To have a view over our
heads, and be able to change one thing here, and see it affect the
lives of your Sims. I think the real situation is probably similar in
nature.
The difference being we are biological, not merely electronic code, and
we have
a greater capacity to think than a Sim, and we have free will. We have
the ability to make decisions based on what is in front of us. No where
does it say, that what is in front of you, will lead you his way or
that way, you still get to choose.
With the tools we have we created the means to destroy ourselves as a
planet.
Came close in the Bay of Pigs to all out nuclear war.
If you hear the Disclosure Project series of audio I have heard it, you
will hear about numerous cases opf intervention, where missles were
disarmed.
The alien zookeeps, shutting down ballistic missle defense systems.
So really we are powerless, to resist. As ou might expect, since we are
really nothing more than cavemen who were given matches and a few hints
about living
and sent on our merry way. We are not evolved enough to live together,
or to live without competing against each other. We haven't got the
idea about sharing, or preserving the planet, or even living better
longer lives. We have sources of energy like solar and all that, but we
are too lazy to use it. So really we need zoo keepers and than heavens
they are there to keep us from killing each other off. They seem to
have provided a nice home for us, so I guess we can't complain too
much, but any notions we have of ever becoming anything ourslevs, are
probably a pipe dream, because we have the technology today.
We just can't be bothered to use it.
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16 Mar 2006 08:10:42 PM |
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I know it doesn't sound very nice does it? We are guilty of the same
crime, we play the Sim's and then just shut the computer off, we have
zoos, and we keep animals, worse we squish ants and can't imagine even
caring if they live or die really. We have a line like between the
French and Englis, the French will eat horsemeat, we are applaed at
that as english people.
Koreans eat dogs, both us and the french are appalled.
We have this sense of decency, sense of right and wrong, and really it
is a floating kind of bar isn't it?
Don't we refer to raising the bar on this or that?
We just exist in this floating sea of time, with some things fixed and
reliable like death and taxes and the laws of physics, whoops, I mean
the rules of thumb of physics, like the conservation of energy etc.
But why can't we examine things properly? What stops us from examining
the little things that don't fit?
You know they have found things, in solid rock for instance. That
shouldn't be there.
That sort of thing, like a necklace, found in solid rock. Or a spark
plug, or even
these round metal balls in stone billions of years old, why is it
relegated to the fringe, and not really persued as if we really wanted
to know the truth?
We appear to not be permitted, to know the truith.
We appaear to be kept animals, who are better off believing they are
free.
And so within that, we have our freedom. And within those parameters,
we can do whatever we want.
I guess that is not all that bad really. At least an invading army,
would have to get past our alien zookeepers before they could get to
us, there is comfort in that, because basically, we have to be the
easiest planet to capture in the galaxy if not the universe.
We put all our eggs, in one basket, in the hands of a handful of men,
gave them everything, to lord over us, watch over our best stuff, and
then shrouded everything they do, in total secrecy even above the
presidency.
So basically when you look at that, does it not seem to you, that if we
were not looked after, we would surely off ourselves in Darwinian
fashion, in no time.
The frontier of space, well its been a lot of years and no disclosed
anything, that even would lead us to believe that we are not alone in
the universe. No public disclosure.
No acknowledgement of anything outside the norm.
Lots of talk, lots of speculation, lots of alien photographs and
testimony but nothing admitted to.
And so where are we going with all that? It makes you wonder if we will
ever even bother doing anything else in space. Why would we?
What the heck was there on Mars if in fact we did send those robots
there and it was not just a hoax and we sent them to Antarctica, which
it looks more like that is what we did. lol Because they had so many
probes fail, and were afraid that funding would stop, and so they
hoaxed this adventure to Antarctica, because the European Space Agency
was sending a probe to Mars, and NASA was going to look incompetent.
Well whatever.
If there is nothing out there anyways, who cares.
The real frontier, is not in outer space, it is in inner space.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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16 Mar 2006 08:57:55 PM |
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Time is The Rate Enery Reacts With Energy c.
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16 Mar 2006 09:12:06 PM |
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Time is change at a rate.
Time is just one damned thing after another.
If no one asks me about time, I know what it is. If they ask me, I
dont know.
Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening all at once.
Time is like Pirsig's "Quality" and "intelligence"- you know it when
you see it, but you can't define it.
Time is what you do in this prison called "Life".
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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16 Mar 2006 09:32:31 PM |
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Time is NOT a change of rate.
Time is THE rate energy will react with energy and thats 1 rate inside
and outside this visible universe c.
Gods active force is time and the division is time.
the firmimet is dark energy.
red and blue is the energy exchanged.
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16 Mar 2006 11:39:38 PM |
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tj Frazir wrote:
Time is NOT a change of rate.
Time is THE rate energy will react with energy and thats 1 rate inside
and outside this visible universe c.
Gods active force is time and the division is time.
the firmimet is dark energy.
red and blue is the energy exchanged.
I will tell you what I think time is in the mechanical sense.
One Hertz
I am inclined to think, that God has more to do with G, than c, or e or
t.
In the beginning, G created, the heavens and the earth.
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17 Mar 2006 12:36:13 AM |
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Let me tell you a little story...
You know I have some friends on the other side. Buddies that I have
known for eons, and we are permitted to hang out together, whenever we
need to for whatever reason, to network as friends you know, and we are
beamed into a reality as real as this.
Some might call it lucid dreaming I suppose, but we do it communally,
and it is done for us. The reality manufactured, by God or a God we
assume that is who does it.
So anyways in our paradigm, one of the places we go, is the interior of
the moon which is teraformed, and we used to live there. There are
cities in there and a power source which is like a Dyson sphere, a
fusion reactor, which acts as a sun during the day and a single star at
night.
So anyways it is abandoned, except for a couple hundred people, there
are small cities and everything roads houses huge stone buildings giant
complexes all in a state of disrepair, but still standing.
So we go there and do things together as a group occasionally.
The thing used to be a ship for colonization of planets, you know long
haul space travel. In the hull, which is not all that thick, is the
machine rooms. crew quarters, tunnels and plumbing and your basic
maintenance type stuff, not all that interesting but like a labyrynth.
The interesting part of the thing is the control room and the computer.
The computer, which is in a single room, is well highly advanced, and
you interface with it, or more to the point it interfaces with you, in
such a fashion, that you can direct it by thought to a degree.
That is to say, that if you are in the interior, you can interface with
it, if you know how, which is merely by a recognizable sense of
feeling. It is not something you can learn, it is something you just
know how to do, at least that is the way it is with me. Anyways, you
can get the computer, which has electo-gravitic technology - the mass
cons et al,
you can direct the computer, which is all but conscious, and you can
fly.
Well you float and if you work at it, if you push against the
gravitational force, like you would on a skateboard, you can fly like
you had one.
It is the coolest.
And even if, all the probes that went there, to the moon, determined it
was nothing but solid rock, we would still beam up there, and for us,
it would still be as real, as this reality down on earth.
Yes there is plenty to suggest that that is exactly what the moon is.
But then there are plenty of studies also, which say it is just a big
rock in the sky.
I would think it would be disappointing if it were just a big rock in
the sky.
As a giant space ship, which is teraformed inside, it is an amazing
wonder.
Maybe if we don't look, it will always be that, and if we look, it will
be just a big rock in the sky.
You know? Like before Darwin, where were the skeltans of dinosaurs?
Did no one ever dig in the dirt?
And then once they started looking, well there was a bone in every
second shovel full of dirt or so it seems.
I like to think, that things are as they appear. I mean to me, if God
is blinking dionsaur bones into the dirt, so they can find them, just
to make them happy, that seems less special. Although of course they
come in fully armed, with a history, and all the reality they need to
be real.
That sort of thing, does happen to be sure. God has command of this
reality of that I am convinced, but usually, he only does things which
are in accordance with the rules he set out at the onset. The physical
laws.
But escape this reality, in a dream, and you will see that it can be
just as real.
Stub your toe, you feel pain. Lucid dreams can be as real as this, and
when you can communal dream, well the differences become even less.
So I have come to believe that it is all a dream. The difference being
this reality, has certain rules governing it, and we call the duration
of this dream, a life.
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17 Mar 2006 01:15:32 AM |
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And I suppose the reason I am bringing this up about the moon, is I was
listening to the Disclosure Project adio files at work. It is amazing
stuff.
One of the subjects was the moon.
And the claims are fantastic of what people have seen on the moon.
But no one really speaks of the interior. Yet originally, the seismic
data showed it was hollow. They talk about the twenty or so attempts
that were made at landing a probe on the moon, before it was sucessful,
and they attribute that to the gravity of the moon, which is different
than that which they expected.
I have seen Hoaglands stuff and that whole field of stuff from
conspiriacy theorists and well if the probes have gone around the thing
and there is no base, then there is no base on the moon.
But there is data, to show that it is hollow. And lots of it.
And you know, we had been going there as a group for years, before I
found any supporting evidence at all. It was too fantastic to even
suggest. Even after seeing star wars, the movie, and knowing about
Dyson spheres, we never thought we were inside the moon. We thought we
were just beamed to some dream space manufactured for us or maybe it
was a paralell universe or something like that.
But maybe, just maybe, it isn't God, who is beamin us up.
Maybe it is the conscious computer, on baord the ship.
I am not saying that God is out of the loop on that one, no, the whole
things looks like Godwork of some type, but it may well be the computer
we are interfacing with, and it might be so advanced, that is almost
conscious, if not fully conscious.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/slidesets/clem2nd/slide_26.html
You would think, that is this thing is a ship, it would have a pretty
decent computer system. And if we did come from a race that could
construct a thing that size, then we would have had to be a highly
advanced civilization, long before we ever arrived in this neck of the
woods.
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17 Mar 2006 01:31:15 AM |
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And yes it is an unsettling thought, to think that you might be able to
control its operation, by thought. But then of course any sufficiently
advanced race which could construct such a thing, would not take
chances on someone having errant thoughts, and sending you into the sun
or whatever. It would fly the thing itself, by preprogrammed
instructions, and it would be in command. You could only interface with
it, within allowable parameters.
It might all be on a timer, following orders, and some day when the
time is right, it might do something like fly off into space who knows,
or it might be damaged goods, sitting dead in the sky. Who knows, but
there are plans in the works, Russia, wants to build a space station
there by 2015, China plans to mine it for Helium 3, and the US is also
talking about a moon base as a jumpoff point to Mars.
Here is some more interesting info on the oprginal Ranger probes, and
the Russian
Liuna series some of the earlier attempts were quite comical.
http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm
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17 Mar 2006 01:56:19 AM |
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And maybe, just maybe, our 'friend' which is so much a part of our S3
paradigm, is either the computer on the ship, or pretending he is one
sometimes. lol Fully conscious mind you. I mean it is possible, in fact
it has to be either that or a God or perhaps a little of both.
Because we do as a wide diverse group of people,the S3s that I know,
communicate with each other, across the world, through it or some other
larger conscious force. I mean that's our social activity, we get
together in mindspace and have fun. And it is made possible because we
can interface with some larger conscious force, which can communicate
with each of us.
It would be nice to think that it was our ship. That our computer was
conscious, and even watching over us to a degree like one of the crew.
It humanizes computers, but in a nice way, because we know its
personality, and I will tell you that each of us, have come to trust
it, even though we know it is not human.
And that does not take away the need for God or Gods or anything of the
sort, it merely opens up the possibility that maybe we ourselves came
from the future in a way.
And ended up here, on a rather barbaric raw planet.
So time travel could be seen, as even moving from a place that was
advanced, to somewhere that was not.
Even if time itself technically, keeps moving in a positive direction,
if you go back to cave dwelling, in a couple generations you are back
there if there is nothing else but cave dwelling at your disposal. That
is almost impossible to do on earth now but moving to America from
Europe, at the time of the first settlers, must have been similar to a
trip back in time.
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17 Mar 2006 10:16:27 AM |
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You know also, in the Disclosure Project audio files, there is this
dead bed type confession, by a 73 year old ex high ranking military
official - I have no idea about his credentials or anything like that,
but he states that in 1958 I think it was, we sent a nuclear weapon to
be detonated on the moon to apparently impress the Russians. And it was
intercepted by aliens. So it appears that our alien zookeeper, has
alien zookeepers.
So I am not overly concerned about an attacking army coming from space
because of course they would have to get past our alien zookeeper's
alien zookeepers.
And in the Disclosure project as well, they talk a lot about the
weaponization of space and how they are really concerned about that,
but I am not concerned about that.
If this was Atlantis, I might be concerned about that.
From Timeaus:
"There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind
arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the
agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other
causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon
a time Paethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his
father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of
his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself
destroyed by a thunderbolt.
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And from Critias...
Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see
into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful
plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be
chastened and improve, collected all the gods into their most holy
habitation, which, being placed in the centre of the world, beholds all
created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as
follows-*
(Plato stopped right there, some say he died right there)
But you know anyone who knows about capacitance, and many people here
do, they might easily surmise where a giant lightning bolt might come
from, and why the mares are all glass, and only on the earth facing
side, of the moon.
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| Title: Re: The philosophy and metapysics of time- red vrs blue |
17 Mar 2006 10:44:13 AM |
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Could you take your fucked up psychotic ***** elsewhere, please?
A psychoanalyst might be interested if you pay him enough.
Androcles.
<rick_sobie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| You know also, in the Disclosure Project audio files, there is this
| dead bed type confession, by a 73 year old ex high ranking military
| official - I have no idea about his credentials or anything like that,
| but he states that in 1958 I think it was, we sent a nuclear weapon to
| be detonated on the moon to apparently impress the Russians. And it was
| intercepted by aliens. So it appears that our alien zookeeper, has
| alien zookeepers.
|
| So I am not overly concerned about an attacking army coming from space
| because of course they would have to get past our alien zookeeper's
| alien zookeepers.
| And in the Disclosure project as well, they talk a lot about the
| weaponization of space and how they are really concerned about that,
| but I am not concerned about that.
| If this was Atlantis, I might be concerned about that.
|
| >From Timeaus:
| "There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind
| arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the
| agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other
| causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon
| a time Paethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his
| father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of
| his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself
| destroyed by a thunderbolt.
| "
|
| And from Critias...
| Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see
| into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful
| plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be
| chastened and improve, collected all the gods into their most holy
| habitation, which, being placed in the centre of the world, beholds all
| created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as
| follows-*
|
| (Plato stopped right there, some say he died right there)
|
| But you know anyone who knows about capacitance, and many people here
| do, they might easily surmise where a giant lightning bolt might come
| from, and why the mares are all glass, and only on the earth facing
| side, of the moon.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The philosophy and metapysics of time- red vrs blue |
17 Mar 2006 10:56:48 AM |
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You don't like my little story?
It sounds like you are losing it.
This is on topic and interesting science based stuff. What is your
problem?
Afraid of the boogeyman or something?
Hexenmeister wrote:
Could you take your fucked up psychotic ***** elsewhere, please?
A psychoanalyst might be interested if you pay him enough.
Androcles.
<rick_sobie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142612187.585809.265030@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| You know also, in the Disclosure Project audio files, there is this
| dead bed type confession, by a 73 year old ex high ranking military
| official - I have no idea about his credentials or anything like that,
| but he states that in 1958 I think it was, we sent a nuclear weapon to
| be detonated on the moon to apparently impress the Russians. And it was
| intercepted by aliens. So it appears that our alien zookeeper, has
| alien zookeepers.
|
| So I am not overly concerned about an attacking army coming from space
| because of course they would have to get past our alien zookeeper's
| alien zookeepers.
| And in the Disclosure project as well, they talk a lot about the
| weaponization of space and how they are really concerned about that,
| but I am not concerned about that.
| If this was Atlantis, I might be concerned about that.
|
| >From Timeaus:
| "There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind
| arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the
| agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other
| causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon
| a time Paethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his
| father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of
| his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself
| destroyed by a thunderbolt.
| "
|
| And from Critias...
| Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see
| into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful
| plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be
| chastened and improve, collected all the gods into their most holy
| habitation, which, being placed in the centre of the world, beholds all
| created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as
| follows-*
|
| (Plato stopped right there, some say he died right there)
|
| But you know anyone who knows about capacitance, and many people here
| do, they might easily surmise where a giant lightning bolt might come
| from, and why the mares are all glass, and only on the earth facing
| side, of the moon.
|
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| User: "Hexenmeister" |
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| Title: Re: The philosophy and metapysics of time- red vrs blue |
17 Mar 2006 11:43:24 AM |
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<rick_sobie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| You don't like my little story?
| It sounds like you are losing it.
|
| This is on topic and interesting science based stuff. What is your
| problem?
My problem is that it is off topic, uninteresting pseudo science
based *****, and "stuff" is the name given to the soggy wet mulch
used to form paper. Since it is soggy wet verbal diarrhea it isn't stuff.
| Afraid of the boogeyman or something?
Yes, he might get me with a *****. I can't take any chances.
Androcles.
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| Hexenmeister wrote:
| > Could you take your fucked up psychotic ***** elsewhere, please?
| > A psychoanalyst might be interested if you pay him enough.
| > Androcles.
| >
| >
| > <rick_sobie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1142612187.585809.265030@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| > | You know also, in the Disclosure Project audio files, there is this
| > | dead bed type confession, by a 73 year old ex high ranking military
| > | official - I have no idea about his credentials or anything like that,
| > | but he states that in 1958 I think it was, we sent a nuclear weapon to
| > | be detonated on the moon to apparently impress the Russians. And it
was
| > | intercepted by aliens. So it appears that our alien zookeeper, has
| > | alien zookeepers.
| > |
| > | So I am not overly concerned about an attacking army coming from space
| > | because of course they would have to get past our alien zookeeper's
| > | alien zookeepers.
| > | And in the Disclosure project as well, they talk a lot about the
| > | weaponization of space and how they are really concerned about that,
| > | but I am not concerned about that.
| > | If this was Atlantis, I might be concerned about that.
| > |
| > | >From Timeaus:
| > | "There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind
| > | arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by
the
| > | agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other
| > | causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once
upon
| > | a time Paethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his
| > | father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of
| > | his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself
| > | destroyed by a thunderbolt.
| > | "
| > |
| > | And from Critias...
| > | Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see
| > | into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful
| > | plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be
| > | chastened and improve, collected all the gods into their most holy
| > | habitation, which, being placed in the centre of the world, beholds
all
| > | created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as
| > | follows-*
| > |
| > | (Plato stopped right there, some say he died right there)
| > |
| > | But you know anyone who knows about capacitance, and many people here
| > | do, they might easily surmise where a giant lightning bolt might come
| > | from, and why the mares are all glass, and only on the earth facing
| > | side, of the moon.
| > |
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The philosophy and metapysics of time- red vrs blue |
17 Mar 2006 10:48:45 AM |
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You know I have been inside when something hit the moon and it did ring
like a bell, and you all but lost consciousness when it hit. You became
disoriented, and you couldn't think even enough to function. It was
weird, like well you can't even desrcibe what it is like, you all of a
sudden can't think.
And it lasts for weeks. And the people who were still in there, they
had no clue, why this would happen. They were all but mad because of
it. When we first started beaming up there, we would beam in almost
right in front of them, and immediately, before they even could move,
we would hug them. We did that for a year, before we no longer worried
about them sneaking up on us and attacking us. They recovered pretty
much. The crew was still in the crew quarters in the shell of the
craft. They were weird as well, paranoid, but not crazy. They were just
scared. They recovered very quickly.
As far as I know there isn't anyone left i the interior, we evacuated
it, into the crew areas. They have acoustic protection. The reason
there is no longer any acoustic protection for the interior, is because
the inner water jacket, which protected the ship from cosmic rays on
long haul space travel ruptured, and flooded the interior.
Long long ago. The interior recovered and was not cleaned up, most
people I think died that day who were inside. Those who did not get
evacuated into the hull.
On the south pole, if you look at that slide, you will see there is a
plate missing on the bottom. That was blown off by some projectile.
That ruptured the water jacket, and out gassed a bit of the atmosphere.
In the south pole, they have found ice. Which partially
sealed up the hole that was there.
But that is still not a very vulnerable spot, because what happened,
was earth and debris, flew across from inside and piled up there, after
impact, and formed this huge dirt mountain, about Oh I don't know,
maybe 2 to 5 thousand feet high. A mountain called Olympus.
http://www.labyrinthina.com/ica161a.jpg
http://www.labyrinthina.com/ica158a.jpg
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| User: "Hexenmeister" |
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| Title: Re: The philosophy and metapysics of time- red vrs blue |
17 Mar 2006 11:17:21 AM |
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<rick_sobie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| You know I have been inside
I didn't know, but I'm not surprised. Which penitentiary was it and why
did they let you out?
Androcles
when something hit the moon and it did ring
| like a bell, and you all but lost consciousness when it hit. You became
| disoriented, and you couldn't think even enough to function. It was
| weird, like well you can't even desrcibe what it is like, you all of a
| sudden can't think.
| And it lasts for weeks. And the people who were still in there, they
| had no clue, why this would happen. They were all but mad because of
| it. When we first started beaming up there, we would beam in almost
| right in front of them, and immediately, before they even could move,
| we would hug them. We did that for a year, before we no longer worried
| about them sneaking up on us and attacking us. They recovered pretty
| much. The crew was still in the crew quarters in the shell of the
| craft. They were weird as well, paranoid, but not crazy. They were just
| scared. They recovered very quickly.
|
| As far as I know there isn't anyone left i the interior, we evacuated
| it, into the crew areas. They have acoustic protection. The reason
| there is no longer any acoustic protection for the interior, is because
| the inner water jacket, which protected the ship from cosmic rays on
| long haul space travel ruptured, and flooded the interior.
| Long long ago. The interior recovered and was not cleaned up, most
| people I think died that day who were inside. Those who did not get
| evacuated into the hull.
| On the south pole, if you look at that slide, you will see there is a
| plate missing on the bottom. That was blown off by some projectile.
| That ruptured the water jacket, and out gassed a bit of the atmosphere.
| In the south pole, they have found ice. Which partially
| sealed up the hole that was there.
| But that is still not a very vulnerable spot, because what happened,
| was earth and debris, flew across from inside and piled up there, after
| impact, and formed this huge dirt mountain, about Oh I don't know,
| maybe 2 to 5 thousand feet high. A mountain called Olympus.
|
| http://www.labyrinthina.com/ica161a.jpg
| http://www.labyrinthina.com/ica158a.jpg
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The philosophy and metapysics of time- red vrs blue |
17 Mar 2006 12:00:15 PM |
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You know I have been inside when something hit the moon and it did ring
like a bell, and you all but lost consciousness when it hit. You became
disoriented, and you couldn't think even enough to function. It was
weird, like well you can't even desrcibe what it is like, you all of a
sudden can't think.
And it lasts for weeks. And the people who were still in there, they
had no clue, why this would happen. They were all but mad because of
it. When we first started beaming up there, we would beam in almost
right in front of them, and immediately, before they even could move,
we would hug them. We did that for a year, before we no longer worried
about them sneaking up on us and attacking us. They recovered pretty
much. The crew was still in the crew quarters in the shell of the
craft. They were weird as well, paranoid, but not crazy. They were just
scared. They recovered very quickly.
As far as I know there isn't anyone left i the interior, we evacuated
it, into the crew areas. They have acoustic protection. The reason
there is no longer any acoustic protection for the interior, is because
the inner water jacket, which protected the ship from cosmic rays on
long haul space travel ruptured, and flooded the interior.
Long long ago. The interior recovered and was not cleaned up, most
people I think died that day who were inside. Those who did not get
evacuated into the hull.
On the south pole, if you look at that slide, you will see there is a
plate missing on the bottom. That was blown off by some projectile.
That ruptured the water jacket, and out gassed a bit of the atmosphere.
In the south pole, they have found ice. Which partially
sealed up the hole that was there.
But that is still not a very vulnerable spot, because what happened,
was earth and debris, flew across from inside and piled up there, after
impact, and formed this huge dirt mountain, about Oh I don't know,
maybe 2 to 5 thousand feet high. A mountain called Olympus.
http://www.labyrinthina.com/ica161a.jpg
http://www.labyrinthina.com/ica158a.jpg
And how I came to know all this, was that was the story, told to me, by
a man, named Robert, the so called commander, of the ship.
I suppose he interfaced with the computer to show me those things, like
anyone else does, and it was quite devastating, when that the water
jacket broke.
To this day there is this giant lake to the left of Mount Olympus, it
stretches for miles and miles, but it is shallow. Fresh water, not
salt, and from mount Olympus, which looks more like sand or tan sandy
soil than rock, you can see the water stretch out for miles and miles.
Call it modern mythology I suppose, but no one will remember it, like
they remembered Critias, or Timaeus.
I just thought I would pass it along because it is interesting, and
information of this kind, is difficult to come by.
They are human, just like us, not short three foot tall strange looking
creatures, they look American.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The philosophy and metapysics of time- red vrs blue |
17 Mar 2006 09:31:03 PM |
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I was going to rent Contact tonight but I never got around to it. I am
quite sure that Carl was an S3, and he used to interface with the
computer on the ship, and through that he got to know Robert. But at
that time, Robert was not telling us anything much. He knew that there
was something going on, and he was a bit worried. For one thing Robert
is basically either immortal or very long lived because he had been
here for a very very long time, and he had not had contact with S3's
except for the last maybe 30 years or so and this area was all his
jurisdiction. The impression I got was that he thought he was being
investigated, so he played it very cool and just observed and
communicated with us, but never told us anything about the moon.
So Carl knew some things, and he made the movie Contact, but he didn't
know about the moon, I don't think.
Arthur C. he made 2001 and he even made reference to Tycho crater,
which is a high strange region of the moon. That is where they
supposedly found an obelisque.
So he had inside information and from just normal exterior exploration
he knew about that region, where it appears as if part of the hull is
showing through or something.
http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/clem_collect/tycho.html
And he knew about the areas between here and Jupiter, Lagrangian points
- the balance point of gravitation between large bodies - where it is
possible that the ship originally came through a wormhole and entered
this solar system.
Both aluded to knowing something but neither really said anything about
the interior.
Two Russian scientists collaborated and made some investifgations and
they concluded the moon was a ship but this was a while ago and the
data they had is not as current as the data available.
http://www.informantnews.com/starshipgamma/lunar/moon1.html
Yes they are Russian, but that doesn't mean they aren't scientists.
Remember Russia had its own moon missions that were neck in neck with
NASA.
It wasn't until the power unit, in the ship began to fail, did we begin
to find out, what the moon was really all about, because Robert needed
help, in solving that problem.
The interior went through about 2 weeks of total darkness, without the
fusion reactor aoperational, before help arrived and replaced the unit.
It was a very close call.
But since then, it is a non issue. No one even mentions it any more,
and it is just not anything that anyone seems to think is important
enough to discuss on the higher levels. I find that strange myself.
If you read the Russian scientists comments made in Sputnik magazine it
says the data they have is that it is in very bad repair. The hull is
ruptured in places, gases have been leaking from the interior, there is
one place where for 60 miles, a section of the hull rises up 500 yards
where the seam split in the titanium hull.
The thing is old. Older than old. And it appears to have had several
owners.
The original owner, I suspect, was Rama.
And the story goes, that there was a mutiny, he landed on earth, fell
inlove with some maiden, they ended up fighting between the ground
forces and the ship, they fought there in the vacinity of the ship like
star wars or something, and the cities on the ground got blasted, by
the giant thunderbolt, and the ship took a hit on the south pole, and
lost that protective plate.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/vimanas.htm
The evidence of Rama, is the land bridge in Sri Lanka, which was found
by NASA via satlelite and dated back to the time of Rama where there is
this account, of Rama and his monkey men, recruits from Africa
probably, in the millions, and he used manual labor to build a land
bridge from India to Sri Lanka and that was found.
But we really don't know the acual truth because no one will tell us
exactly what happened, and we don't have any records. There may be some
somewhere
it sure would be nice to know.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The philosophy and metapysics of time- red vrs blue |
17 Mar 2006 10:28:05 PM |
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I can explain it a bit to you if you like.
The computer in 2001, Hal, was a conscious computer of a sort.
The computer on the ship, is not like Hal, he is like well he has his
own personality,
he is like half ape, half man, that is how he presents himself. His
persona.
He is way above me in rank, and so although maybe I have one of the
best relationships with him, he won't tell me squat.
He has his moments, when he thinks about the past, and he projects
imagery,
imagery about evolution, and he will morph through the animal species,
and occasionally he will show some scene in perfect clarity, of some
monumental
past event.
One time, he showed a scene pre-egyptian, where there was a white
flash,
and a man was standing there with like a bell jar on his head, and a
native
hid under some palm fronds, next scene they were like shaking hands.
Contact of some sort. I was trying to find out the roots of Egyptian
Civilization.
He has showed some really strage things as well, like a giant scarab,
that was entombed under the ground there.
There have a few moments when he has shown other civilizations, which
look like other planets. I assume from even before he arrived here or
from
who knows where. Just like if he was dreaming, he would at times
project
these things.
For the most part, when a person interfaces with the computer, to talk
to
or be in the presence of someone like Robert, then it is like the
ending scenes
from 2001, or the scenes in a room from Matrix, or the scenes from
Contact where Jodie ends up at the end of the wormhole. Only that one
was really dramatic license because the scenes are never otherworldly.
You are in familiar surroundings, the people are wearing suits it is
all very
human looking.
But it is like that. Difficult to understand for most people.
But that is what it is like, to go on these conscioussness jaunts for
a communication in a manufactured dreamspace.
And it is all carefully controlled and carefully orchestrated.
With some purpose which is to pass on some communication to or from
you.
But from the computers perspective, and he is a person, not a computer,
from his perspective, this is just his thing, this is what he does,
which is I guess to monitor the evolution of this planet which was
seeded with life.
He has a boss.
He is just doin his job, and it is not all that interesting because his
job takes
billions of years to do. So whats the rush.
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| Title: Re: The philosophy and metapysics of time- red vrs blue |
17 Mar 2006 10:46:03 PM |
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So you have Robert and you have Harold, Robert is a Republican, and
Harold is a Democrat. And they take turns steering the ship, this old
ball of dirt, and they have been responsible in one way or another for
what it has become. And as you might expect they have been the driving
force that created America.
And I have argued with them for years about things but they have their
way of doing things and what you see is their way of doing things.
Robert would say I am too left leaning, he is a Republican.
Harold, well Harold is Harold, and he wears a black suit and acts like
Democrat.
I don't know what else to say about it except they are in charge and
the way things are, is the way they think it should be, so I wouldn't
expect any drastic changes.
Their whole thing, is about staying in the center, and keeping the ball
rolling, and playing it as safe as possible.
From a spoiled western perspective I have to say they have done a good
job.
And in a relatively short period of time.
Some 10 thousand years or so.
They probably don't need the ship. It is just there.
Maybe the tides need it, and the ecosystem needs it, but Harold and
Robert they have the technology to just be wherever they want. They
don't appear to need spaceships to travel if you know what I mean. They
just beam their consciousness around the universe. That is how it is
done these days.
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17 Mar 2006 11:13:48 PM |
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But you know for us, the S3s that are here, we rely on the computer to
keep us in touch with our society, our culture, our friends and family,
it is an integral part of our life.
And you will see a lot of signs of affection towards him, in our
community, our families our society, which exists here sort of behind
the scenes.
And there are maybe 200 million people, who have this ability by
nature, it is just part of their makeup and they don't even think of
him as a computer he is a god.
And you know if you do the things he can, and you can do the things
Robert or Harold can do, you can't distinguish them from Gods. They are
Gods. They have people above them, but they are still quite a ways
above us here in influence and ability etc.
I really don't know much more than that. I suspect there are people who
might, but if there is knowledge about the moon as a technological
device, no one says anything about it. I think, we have time travellers
who visit here, but I don't know.
I often suspect that the computer knows more about the universe than
Robert or Harold, because he may be much older. That is the impression
I get anyways. People appear to have some knowledge about the future.
But I am not sure that people come here in physical ships although
there is a huge body of evidence to support that.
As far as I can surmise there is some government out there which is in
control, and everything is pretty much according to some plan, and the
universe does not appear to be in a state of war.
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17 Mar 2006 11:25:37 PM |
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You know it is difficult to imagine what an intelligence Rama might
have or might have had, I assume he is tsill around out there
somewhere, but a race that could create such a marvel, must have been
quite advanced. And if you examine the legends there is a guy there,
named Hanuman, and that is who I think our friend the computer on the
ship is.
He was given immortality, by Rama.
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18 Mar 2006 02:30:32 AM |
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There are a couple of stickler points that I should mention also, that
has been the concern of a few people I know. One of whom I suppose is
Robert's commanding officer. He was wondering, what happened to the
bodies of the people who died inside during the cataclysm. And I don't
know what the final answer was but one answer was biological and one
was robotic and it was cleaned up. The interior is deserted, and there
are no dead bodies yet it housed a couple hundred thousand people
minimum.
Oh yeah, regarding that article again in Sputnik magazine, the two
scientists talk about a stretch of what used to be thought were mini
volcanos all in a line stretching for hundreds of miles and it turned
out to be a crack along a seam in the hull and outgassing of the
atmosphere.
Which reminded me of this....
http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/select_img/hires.html
This does not appear to be any kind of vulcanism we are familiar with,
short of I suppose some type of Vulcan vulcanism if you know what I
mean.
It would appear as if attempts were made to seal up some of those leaks
with a kind of polygon forming foam.
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18 Mar 2006 02:41:06 AM |
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wrote:
There are a couple of stickler points that I should mention also, that
has been the concern of a few people I know. One of whom I suppose is
Robert's commanding officer. He was wondering, what happened to the
bodies of the people who died inside during the cataclysm. And I don't
know what the final answer was but one answer was biological and one
was robotic and it was cleaned up. The interior is deserted, and there
are no dead bodies yet it housed a couple hundred thousand people
minimum.
Oh yeah, regarding that article again in Sputnik magazine, the two
scientists talk about a stretch of what used to be thought were mini
volcanos all in a line stretching for hundreds of miles and it turned
out to be a crack along a seam in the hull and outgassing of the
atmosphere.
Which reminded me of this....
http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/select_img/hires.html
Actually this might be the cement the Russians were talking about.
If we had an actual science community in the west, instead of a bunch
of ninnies
I suppose we wouldn't have to go to Russia for all our useful
information.
This does not appear to be any kind of vulcanism we are familiar with,
short of I suppose some type of Vulcan vulcanism if you know what I
mean.
It would appear as if attempts were made to seal up some of those leaks
with a kind of polygon forming foam.
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18 Mar 2006 10:15:41 AM |
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You people say to me, they are afraid of the moon, because there might
be nanobots. And I am like, you mean like virii? Bacteria? Nanobots
like that? Have you seen a paramecium? That is one scary as hell
nanobot. You don't want to take a cupful of pond water and look at it,
under a microscope. It is crawling with nanobots.
Inside is teravformed, there are fish, in the water. Fish poop in the
water, so I assume there are nanobots there as well otherwise you
couldn't have an ecosystem. Biological systems need something to
complete their cycle.
If the atmosphere was released along with water from the inner hull
water jacket, and we have proof of this happenning because there is ice
that has been detected in the bottom of the crater in the South Pole
region, found with ground penetrating radar by the Clementine orbitor,
and so that escaped and some of it probably fell to earth over time. I
mean it is probable, that anything that might be there is already here.
Besides that, if a race was to create nanobots, they would certainly
create conditions where the things had a specific purpose and survived
only under certain conditions.
We stand just as much risk of contamination from meteorites or passing
comets or any spores from space.
But if you examine the evidence. I think it has been pretty much
established that the moon is an artificial object. The wall, jutting up
for 60 miles, the ground penetrating radar showed the titanium hull,
with the plate missing on the bottom, the weird cement laying on the
surface, seismic tests showed it was hollow, it has no magnetic field
to speak of, no molten core, a different specific gravity than earth.
3.3 as opposed to 5. something on earth. The polygon pattern on the
floor of Tycho crater, the stretch of holes where the atmosphere
outgassed along a seam for hundreds of miles. In a straight line.
So that is just the beginning of what should be, intensive study to
determine its origins and to try to investigate whatever technology may
be there.
To be off on Mars, knowing this is here?
To be doing other things in space and not investigating this marvel,
pretending it doesn't exist? Have aliens taken over this planet alredy?
You people doi not appear to be acting rationally.
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18 Mar 2006 10:23:17 AM |
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And as far as the people not being able to handle it, for Gods sake
whatever you do, don't tell the people of India. If they thought for
one second that there might be space aliens why they would certainly
have coniptions.
Wouldn't they?
Seeing as how it has been part of everything they do, their culture,
their religion, their way of life, for well over 2,000 years.
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18 Mar 2006 10:34:44 AM |
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And don't Africa either. Or Zacharaia Sitchin, or the Egyptians, in
fact don't tell anyone, except the race that most likly came from
there, which turned white after so many eons living under a weak sun,
generated by a fusion reactor, with a single star at night, which
disembarked, when the water jacket ruptured flooding the interior and
landed on a mountain called Arafat, where to their surprise, they saw
their first rainbow.
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18 Mar 2006 10:46:02 AM |
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Why was there no rainbows in the interior?
Everywhere you go, the sun is at ninety degrees, overhead, it is in the
very center.
I assume it is because a rainbow happens when the sun shines on our
atmosphere at an angle, and due to the refraction of light, it is
dispersed into the spectrum, causing the various colors to show.
God did it. How's that. God did it, is doing it, and there is nothing
to see here folk people.
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18 Mar 2006 10:55:33 AM |
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As for why the moon was positioned where it is, to exactly obscure the
sun in an eclipse, well under power, the moon could regulate the amount
of sun the earth got.
It could obscure the sun in case of solar storms, it could shield their
eyes from the sun, or any reason such as that I assume. They wanted to
be able to control the environment here probably.
I have no idea how long it has been up there. Scientists can look at
the tides they can look at all manner of things we assume, that the
tides are caused by the moon, but we have been wrong before.
But if we as the two Russian scientists say that it has been there for
thousands of millions of years, then Rama was probably not the first
owner.
And it may have been part of the design of the planetary ecosystem and
a means of managing the terraforming of the earth.
Hanuman, when I asked him, he said he he was about 4 billion years old.
He has obviously become one with the ship if you know what I mean, the
rocks on the moon are 4 billion years old.
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