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User: "Pentcho Valev"
Date: 16 Oct 2005 03:25:10 AM
Object: The Plight of Einsteinians
The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying the rationality
of generations of scientists and gaining enormous profits by simply
introducing an idiocy called the principle of constancy of the speed of
light, on one hand, and hard work for masking the fraud, on the other.
The defense of the principle has taken different expressions, e.g.
1. The most primitive, at present used by zombies only: "Cite an
experiment that provides evidence to convince the world that speed of
light should be treated as not invariant in inertial frames. No
experiment in the world can prove a theory. One single experiment can
falsify it."
2. A less primitive, suggested by Einstein in Chapter 22 in his
"Relativity" and used by the initiated but only reluctantly since it
almost explicitly states that the speed of light is VARIABLE in a
gravitational field: "In general relativity, arbitrarily weird
coordinate systems are allowed, and light need move neither in straight
lines nor at constant velocity with respect to bizarre coordinates (why
should it, if the labelling of space and time is totally arbitrary?).
However, general relativity asserts the existence of locally inertial
frames, and the speed of light is a universal constant in those
frames."
Despite the imperfections, so far the defense has guaranteed some
serenity in the relativity cult and in the scientific world in general,
in so far as critical thinking has been eradicated long time ago. Yet
lately more and more experimentalists have been obtaining superluminal
speeds and the initiated are in a real trouble. They are dsperately
looking for new defenses but the first attempts are not very
successful:
3. Tom Roberts wrote:

Any _thing_ that propagates always carries some information, its own
presence at least. But interference artifacts between existing waves
need not carry information (and usually don't).
Tom Roberts


I don't think further attempts of the initiated will be more
successful. That is a plight. It seems 100 years are some limit - you
cannot cheat the world for more than 100 years.
Pentcho Valev
.

User: ""

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 12:51:11 PM
In sci.physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:

The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying the rationality
of generations of scientists and gaining enormous profits

I've been publishing papers on relativity for about 20 years
now. Can you tell me where to apply for my share of the
enormous profits? I could use some extra money...
Steve Carlip
.
User: "platopes"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 01:47:35 PM
wrote:

In sci.physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:

The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying the rationality
of generations of scientists and gaining enormous profits


I've been publishing papers on relativity for about 20 years
now. Can you tell me where to apply for my share of the
enormous profits? I could use some extra money...

Steve Carlip

If it doesn't have to be legal tender, and you have photoshop...
http://www2.physics.umd.edu/~redish/Money/
p
.

User: "brian a m stuckless"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 06:45:07 PM
Steve,
SHOW exactly HOW GR's G_uv = T_uv relates to GR TEST-mass.
SHOW exactly HOW GR's G_uv = T_uv relates to ANY gtr-mass.
How many DiFFERENT ways have you verified the VELOCiTY c.?
WHAT were the "in vacu" REDUCTiON COUNTs ..if applicable.?
AFTER 20 years, EXHiBiT some LEAST-SQUAREs-ADjUSTMENTs.?!!
AFTER 20 years sleeVEENing in GR, YOU OWE at least THAT.!!
You GOT AWAY with 20 years of GR "collateral benefit".!!
"SPACEtime curvature is falling ..it's falling".!!
brian a m stuckless

<> >><> >><> >><> >><>

carlip-nospam@physics.ucdavis.edu wrote:

In sci.physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:

The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying
the rationality of generations of scientists and
gaining enormous profits


I've been publishing papers on relativity for about 20
years now. Can you tell me where to apply for my share
of the enormous profits? --

You GOT AWAY with 20 years of GR "collateral benefit".!!

-- I could use some extra money...

"SPACEtime curvature is falling ..it's falling".!!

Steve [can't see FOREST for his 20 yrs of PAPERs] Carlip

.


User: "Helmut Wabnig EmailAddress"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 07:12:14 AM
On 16 Oct 2005 01:25:10 -0700, "Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com>
wrote:


Despite the imperfections, so far the defense has guaranteed some
serenity in the relativity cult and in the scientific world in general,
in so far as critical thinking has been eradicated long time ago.

Oh yes we're waiting for Messias Pentcho....
If your father pulled his ***** a second earlier,
we would'nt know anything, how would we?
w.
Ich schreibe korrektes TV Deutsch, so wie DIE auf Astra reden:
Das Wetta von morchen: diesich, mäßich wolkich.
.
User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 07:45:00 AM
"Helmut Wabnig" <EmailAddress> wrote in message
news:jmg4l112sqril0iffjkpqourmcuut17dnq@4ax.com...
| On 16 Oct 2005 01:25:10 -0700, "Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com>
| wrote:
|
| >
| >Despite the imperfections, so far the defense has guaranteed some
| >serenity in the relativity cult and in the scientific world in
general,
| >in so far as critical thinking has been eradicated long time ago.
|
| Oh yes we're waiting for Messias Pentcho....
| If your father pulled his ***** a second earlier,
| we would'nt know anything, how would we?
You don't know anything anyway, at least Valev is TRYing to teach
you...<shrug>
Androcles.
|
| w.
| Ich schreibe korrektes TV Deutsch, so wie DIE auf Astra reden:
| Das Wetta von morchen: diesich, mäßich wolkich.
.
User: "Helmut Wabnig EmailAddress"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 10:26:32 AM
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:45:00 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org>
wrote:

| >in so far as critical thinking has been eradicated long time ago.
|
| Oh yes we're waiting for Messias Pentcho....
| If your father pulled his ***** a second earlier,
| we would'nt know anything, how would we?

You don't know anything anyway, at least Valev is TRYing to teach
you...<shrug>

Androcles.

Okidoki, let him TRY :-)
w.
.
User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 10:34:15 AM
"Helmut Wabnig" <EmailAddress> wrote in message
news:08s4l1dbmtg0kl6lntv4hag55atfs5f9n7@4ax.com...
| On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:45:00 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org>
| wrote:
|
|
| >| >in so far as critical thinking has been eradicated long time ago.
| >|
| >| Oh yes we're waiting for Messias Pentcho....
| >| If your father pulled his ***** a second earlier,
| >| we would'nt know anything, how would we?
| >
| >You don't know anything anyway, at least Valev is TRYing to teach
| >you...<shrug>
| >
| >Androcles.
| >
| Okidoki, let him TRY :-)
I fear he has a hopeless task with you, you are troll that has no wish
to learn.
Androcles
.
User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 02:04:51 PM
Androcles wrote:
[snip crap]
Androcles <=> Jämmerlichkeit
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
.
User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 05:03:15 PM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4352A453.27C44738@hate.spam.net...
| Androcles wrote:
| [snip crap]
|
| Androcles <=> Jämmerlichkeit
|
| --
| Uncle Al
| http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
| (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
| http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Auntie Alice <=> Wanker
Schwartz is *****.
The Chinese told him "*****, you DUMB *****"
They were right.
ROFLMAO!
Androcles
.






User: "platopes"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 03:36:30 AM
Pentcho Valev wrote:


A really great example of the plight of "Einsteinians" - which is
having to deal with people like Pentcho Valev.
p
.
User: "Bryan Olson"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 04:22:43 AM
platopes wrote:

Pentcho Valev wrote:

[crap]

A really great example of the plight of "Einsteinians" - which
is having to deal with people like Pentcho Valev.

It's a sad but common phenomenon, brought to prominence by the
open nature of Web and Usenet: Some who encounter scientific or
mathematical results that they cannot or will not comprehend,
choose to rail against the theory, rather than deal with their
own difficulties.
In this case, we can safely ignore them. I take the
relativity-deniers even less seriously than I take other brands
of nut-cases, because I worry others could build nukes.
--
--Bryan
.
User: "platopes"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 04:37:24 AM
Bryan Olson wrote:

platopes wrote:

Pentcho Valev wrote:

[crap]

A really great example of the plight of "Einsteinians" - which
is having to deal with people like Pentcho Valev.


It's a sad but common phenomenon, brought to prominence by the
open nature of Web and Usenet: Some who encounter scientific or
mathematical results that they cannot or will not comprehend,
choose to rail against the theory, rather than deal with their
own difficulties.

Others, like myself, who cannot comprehend scientific or mathematical
results of any description, and who choose not to rail against
theories, for *sure* will get around *soon* to dealing with their own
difficulties. I *promise*.


In this case, we can safely ignore them.

Safely, yes. But it's not a great deal of fun.

I take the
relativity-deniers even less seriously than I take other brands
of nut-cases, because I worry others could build nukes.

Ach! I'm sure an impactor is on its way - no worries. Just make sure
you've got plenty of popcorn handy...not that you'll have any hands...
p [absurdity is not aggression]
.



User: "Bilge"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 08:14:45 AM
Pentcho Valev, still waiting for that brain donor, posted:

The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying the rationality



Is that a real pentcho or is that a sears pentcho?
.
User: "Dirk Van de moortel"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 08:21:55 AM
"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message news:slrndl4nqh.muo.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...

Pentcho Valev, still waiting for that brain donor, posted:

The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying the rationality



Is that a real pentcho or is that a sears pentcho?

Wait a minute - I've got it. He's a Bulgarian!
Dirk Vdm
.
User: "Bilge"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 22 Oct 2005 03:25:14 PM
Dirk Van de moortel:

"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
news:slrndl4nqh.muo.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...

Pentcho Valev, still waiting for that brain donor, posted:

The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying the rationality



Is that a real pentcho or is that a sears pentcho?


Wait a minute - I've got it. He's a Bulgarian!

Can I plant him to get my crop started when I move to my ranch in montana?
.
User: "Dirk Van de moortel"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 22 Oct 2005 03:58:12 PM
"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message news:slrndllba2.adj.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...

Dirk Van de moortel:

"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
news:slrndl4nqh.muo.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...

Pentcho Valev, still waiting for that brain donor, posted:

The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying the rationality



Is that a real pentcho or is that a sears pentcho?


Wait a minute - I've got it. He's a Bulgarian!


Can I plant him to get my crop started when I move to my
ranch in montana?

Yep, there's only one thing that smells like fish over there.
Dirk Vdm
.
User: "AllYou!"

Title: Re: Van Moortel is a bitter, pathetic, old man 25 Oct 2005 11:48:24 AM
Van Moortel,
Why have you resorted to stalking me in other NGs, even though I haven't made a
single post to you or about you in many, many months? Were you hurt that I told
the truth that Van Moortel is a bitter, pathetic, old man?
LOL!
"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:EJx6f.29544$sB.1261661@phobos.telenet-ops.be...


"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
news:slrndllba2.adj.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...

Dirk Van de moortel:

"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
news:slrndl4nqh.muo.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...

Pentcho Valev, still waiting for that brain donor, posted:

The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying the rationality



Is that a real pentcho or is that a sears pentcho?


Wait a minute - I've got it. He's a Bulgarian!


Can I plant him to get my crop started when I move to my
ranch in montana?


Yep, there's only one thing that smells like fish over there.

Dirk Vdm


.



User: "brian a m stuckless"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 16 Oct 2005 07:18:20 PM
GR-Cracked pots calling the kettle "BLACK.!!"
brian a m stuckless

<> >><> >><> >><> >><>

Dirk Van de moortel wrote:

"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message news:slrndl4nqh.muo.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...

Pentcho Valev, still waiting for that brain donor, posted:

The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying
the rationality


Is that a real pentcho or is that a sears pentcho?


Wait a minute - I've got it. He's a Bulgarian!

Dirk Vdm

.



User: "Len Gaasenbeek"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 17 Oct 2005 01:17:10 AM
To Pentcho,
I admire you for trying to talk sense into relativists. But as you can see
from their responses, the regulars just use your posting as an excuse to
spout more of their nonsense at you and at each other, since they don't
bother to (or are unable to) discriminate between you and each other.
So I am afraid Pentcho that you are wasting your time.
Just don't let the flimflammers get you down. They aren't worth it.
I, for one, am on your side!
Len.
................................................................
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129451110.283684.21780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The history of relativity can be reduced to destroying the rationality
of generations of scientists and gaining enormous profits by simply
introducing an idiocy called the principle of constancy of the speed of
light, on one hand, and hard work for masking the fraud, on the other.
The defense of the principle has taken different expressions, e.g.

1. The most primitive, at present used by zombies only: "Cite an
experiment that provides evidence to convince the world that speed of
light should be treated as not invariant in inertial frames. No
experiment in the world can prove a theory. One single experiment can
falsify it."

2. A less primitive, suggested by Einstein in Chapter 22 in his
"Relativity" and used by the initiated but only reluctantly since it
almost explicitly states that the speed of light is VARIABLE in a
gravitational field: "In general relativity, arbitrarily weird
coordinate systems are allowed, and light need move neither in straight
lines nor at constant velocity with respect to bizarre coordinates (why
should it, if the labelling of space and time is totally arbitrary?).
However, general relativity asserts the existence of locally inertial
frames, and the speed of light is a universal constant in those
frames."

Despite the imperfections, so far the defense has guaranteed some
serenity in the relativity cult and in the scientific world in general,
in so far as critical thinking has been eradicated long time ago. Yet
lately more and more experimentalists have been obtaining superluminal
speeds and the initiated are in a real trouble. They are dsperately
looking for new defenses but the first attempts are not very
successful:

3. Tom Roberts wrote:

Any _thing_ that propagates always carries some information, its own
presence at least. But interference artifacts between existing waves
need not carry information (and usually don't).


Tom Roberts



I don't think further attempts of the initiated will be more
successful. That is a plight. It seems 100 years are some limit - you
cannot cheat the world for more than 100 years.

Pentcho Valev

.
User: "platopes"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 17 Oct 2005 02:15:37 AM
Len Gaasenbeek wrote:

To Pentcho,

I admire you for trying to talk sense into relativists. But as you can see
from their responses, the regulars just use your posting as an excuse to
spout more of their nonsense at you and at each other, since they don't
bother to (or are unable to) discriminate between you and each other.

So I am afraid Pentcho that you are wasting your time.
Just don't let the flimflammers get you down. They aren't worth it.

I, for one, am on your side!

Len.
...............................................................

Flimflammers isn't so bad.
p
.

User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 17 Oct 2005 06:17:06 AM
Well said, Len.
From my selected papers:
Observation:
http://www.britastro.org/vss/gifc/00918-ck.gif
Explanation:
http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/sekerin.htm (fig 3)
(Or stars explode twice in three months).
Androcles.
"Len Gaasenbeek" <gaasbeek@rideau.net> wrote in message
news:EP6dnYcn9eszos7eRVn-sA@wtccommunications.ca...
| To Pentcho,
|
| I admire you for trying to talk sense into relativists. But as you
can see
| from their responses, the regulars just use your posting as an excuse
to
| spout more of their nonsense at you and at each other, since they
don't
| bother to (or are unable to) discriminate between you and each other.
|
| So I am afraid Pentcho that you are wasting your time.
| Just don't let the flimflammers get you down. They aren't worth it.
|
| I, for one, am on your side!
|
| Len.
.
User: "Len Gaasenbeek"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 17 Oct 2005 09:52:28 AM
To Androcles,
Thanks!
Enjoy, Len.
..............................................................
"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message
news:SKL4f.33087$ey6.2855@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

Well said, Len.

From my selected papers:
Observation:
http://www.britastro.org/vss/gifc/00918-ck.gif
Explanation:
http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/sekerin.htm (fig 3)

(Or stars explode twice in three months).
Androcles.


"Len Gaasenbeek" <gaasbeek@rideau.net> wrote in message
news:EP6dnYcn9eszos7eRVn-sA@wtccommunications.ca...
| To Pentcho,
|
| I admire you for trying to talk sense into relativists. But as you
can see
| from their responses, the regulars just use your posting as an excuse
to
| spout more of their nonsense at you and at each other, since they
don't
| bother to (or are unable to) discriminate between you and each other.
|
| So I am afraid Pentcho that you are wasting your time.
| Just don't let the flimflammers get you down. They aren't worth it.
|
| I, for one, am on your side!
|
| Len.

.
User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org"

Title: Re: The Plight of Einsteinians 17 Oct 2005 10:25:13 AM
You are welcome.
Enjoy my selected papers.
Androcles.
"Len Gaasenbeek" <gaasbeek@rideau.net> wrote in message
news:aPqdnRlTZL7uJc7eRVn-hA@wtccommunications.ca...
| To Androcles,
|
| Thanks!
|
| Enjoy, Len.
| .............................................................
| "Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message
| news:SKL4f.33087$ey6.2855@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| > Well said, Len.
| >
| > From my selected papers:
| > Observation:
| > http://www.britastro.org/vss/gifc/00918-ck.gif
| > Explanation:
| > http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/sekerin.htm (fig 3)
| >
| > (Or stars explode twice in three months).
| > Androcles.
| >
| >
| > "Len Gaasenbeek" <gaasbeek@rideau.net> wrote in message
| > news:EP6dnYcn9eszos7eRVn-sA@wtccommunications.ca...
| > | To Pentcho,
| > |
| > | I admire you for trying to talk sense into relativists. But as
you
| > can see
| > | from their responses, the regulars just use your posting as an
excuse
| > to
| > | spout more of their nonsense at you and at each other, since they
| > don't
| > | bother to (or are unable to) discriminate between you and each
other.
| > |
| > | So I am afraid Pentcho that you are wasting your time.
| > | Just don't let the flimflammers get you down. They aren't worth
it.
| > |
| > | I, for one, am on your side!
| > |
| > | Len.
| >
|
|
.





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