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29 Apr 2004 12:05:47 PM |
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The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
Hi there,
I have a sudden throught in my head this morning, if I throw a unfired
live bullet (Just one bullet only, without gun) into the rubbish bin
and let it goes with other trash. Personally, I think the bullet is
very unstable, as it is made of gun power, which will be easily go
BOMB under high temp.
However, I search on the internet and found that, all the bullet
selling for normal shooting use it safety made, which means it only
can be fired when the pin hit at the edge of the bullet. When you hit
it hard with a nail in the center, nothing will happen.
Anyway, back to the question, what is the chance of the bullet go fire
if you throw it into the bin? High? low? No chance?
Do you guys think the bullet will fired after leaving my home door?
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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| Title: Re: The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
29 Apr 2004 02:33:02 PM |
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"spring85195" <spring85195@yahoo.com-dot-hk.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
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Hi there,
I have a sudden throught in my head this morning, if I throw a unfired
live bullet (Just one bullet only, without gun) into the rubbish bin
and let it goes with other trash. Personally, I think the bullet is
very unstable, as it is made of gun power, which will be easily go
BOMB under high temp.
However, I search on the internet and found that, all the bullet
selling for normal shooting use it safety made, which means it only
can be fired when the pin hit at the edge of the bullet. When you hit
it hard with a nail in the center, nothing will happen.
Anyway, back to the question, what is the chance of the bullet go fire
if you throw it into the bin? High? low? No chance?
Do you guys think the bullet will fired after leaving my home door?
Buy a thousand bullets (go for the .357 magnum hp at around $3.00 a pop...
pun intended) and drop them on the floor one by one. Repeat. What are your
results?
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| Title: Re: The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
29 Apr 2004 03:05:58 PM |
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Michael Varney <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote:
"spring85195" <spring85195@yahoo.com-dot-hk.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
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Hi there,
I have a sudden throught in my head this morning, if I throw a unfired
live bullet (Just one bullet only, without gun) into the rubbish bin
and let it goes with other trash. Personally, I think the bullet is
very unstable, as it is made of gun power, which will be easily go
BOMB under high temp.
However, I search on the internet and found that, all the bullet
selling for normal shooting use it safety made, which means it only
can be fired when the pin hit at the edge of the bullet. When you hit
it hard with a nail in the center, nothing will happen.
Anyway, back to the question, what is the chance of the bullet go fire
if you throw it into the bin? High? low? No chance?
Do you guys think the bullet will fired after leaving my home door?
Buy a thousand bullets (go for the .357 magnum hp at around $3.00 a pop...
pun intended) and drop them on the floor one by one. Repeat. What are your
results?
Well, they were .45 ACP and went all at once, not .357 and one by one, but
the results were about an hour spent picking them all up and wiping the
garage floor dirt off and finding a sturdier box to put them in.
--
Jim Pennino
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
29 Apr 2004 03:07:33 PM |
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In article <409135eb$1_2@127.0.0.1>,
spring85195 <spring85195@yahoo.com-dot-hk.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
Hi there,
I have a sudden throught in my head this morning, if I throw a unfired
live bullet (Just one bullet only, without gun) into the rubbish bin
and let it goes with other trash. Personally, I think the bullet is
very unstable, as it is made of gun power, which will be easily go
BOMB under high temp.
However, I search on the internet and found that, all the bullet
selling for normal shooting use it safety made, which means it only
can be fired when the pin hit at the edge of the bullet. When you hit
it hard with a nail in the center, nothing will happen.
Anyway, back to the question, what is the chance of the bullet go fire
if you throw it into the bin? High? low? No chance?
Do you guys think the bullet will fired after leaving my home door?
The cartridge has a primer in the middle. This little brass cup is filled
with a contact explosive that will explode when hit with a firing pin or a
nail, and will ignite the gunpowder. It's very hard to fire it
accidently. I've bought bags of ammo with the cartridges knocking around
against each other, no unexpected pops.
Rimfire cartridges have the primer in the rim. The .22 long rifle is the
only example you're likely to find of that.
If it did fire, it's more of a fire hazard than anything else. The case
will crack, the bullet will pop out, and most of the gunpowder will burn
without consequence. When I put an 8mm cartridge in a little sand pit on
a can of Sterno, the casing made a bigger dent in the wall of the pit than
the bullet did, and it wasn't as big a dent as I could make by poking it
with my finger. To give the bullet energy, it is contained in the
barrel of the weapon, which contains the gasses. That serves the dual
purpose of the gasses pushing the bullet without escaping harmlessly, and
increasing the burn rate by raising the pressure. Smokeless powder
sitting on a table in the open air burns lazily. Black powder goes
pretty fast.
--
"When the fool walks through the street, in his lack of understanding he
calls everything foolish." -- Ecclesiastes 10:3, New American Bible
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| User: "spring85195" |
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| Title: re:The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
30 Apr 2004 03:04:31 AM |
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The trash collect truck will compress the trash as you all know. The
high pressure may crash the bullet and pop the bullet.
Possible?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: re:The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
30 Apr 2004 08:23:27 AM |
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spring85195 <spring85195@yahoo.com-dot-hk.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
The trash collect truck will compress the trash as you all know. The
high pressure may crash the bullet and pop the bullet.
Possible?
The bullet is the lump of lead at the end of the CARTRIDGE.
The propellant in the case requires a high temperature to burn,
yes, burn, it does not explode.
The primer at the base of the case requires a high temperature or an
abrupt, repeat, abrupt shock to ignite.
When the cartidge was manufactured, the primer was seated into the case
with a press developing a hell of a lot more pressure than a trash truck.
In 40 years of loading ammunition, I've crushed many a primer due to bad
primer pockets and not one has ignited because it takes, again, an
abrupt shock to do so.
If the point of all this is how to get rid of ammunition safely without
getting anyone excited, take a pair of pliers and pull the bullet from
the case. Dump the propellant on your plants (it is high in nitrogen
and good fertilizer). Put a drop of oil in the case to deactivate the
primer. Throw everything left in the trash.
Why are you posting this in sci.physics instead of rec.guns?
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Jim Pennino
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| User: "spring85195" |
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| Title: re:The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
29 Apr 2004 03:06:16 PM |
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ok, I will give it a try then...
Just my weird throught...
I will put a bullet into the trash bin, push the bin out of my door
and wait for the guy to collect them.
uncle Al, keep an eye on the news if there are any trash car is
damaged by a bullet.
:D
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| User: "" |
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29 Apr 2004 03:11:35 PM |
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spring85195 <spring85195@yahoo.com-dot-hk.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
ok, I will give it a try then...
Just my weird throught...
I will put a bullet into the trash bin, push the bin out of my door
and wait for the guy to collect them.
uncle Al, keep an eye on the news if there are any trash car is
damaged by a bullet.
:D
Given that the mass of a bullet is typically hundreds of times greater
than the mass of the case, which part do you think is going to be
flying around?
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
29 Apr 2004 03:26:00 PM |
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spring85195 wrote:
Hi there,
I have a sudden throught in my head this morning, if I throw a unfired
live bullet (Just one bullet only, without gun) into the rubbish bin
and let it goes with other trash. Personally, I think the bullet is
very unstable, as it is made of gun power, which will be easily go
BOMB under high temp.
Put the bullet in the furnace... and quit talking about my mother!
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
29 Apr 2004 12:31:23 PM |
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spring85195 wrote:
[snip]
However, I search on the internet and found that, all the bullet
selling for normal shooting use it safety made, which means it only
can be fired when the pin hit at the edge of the bullet. When you hit
it hard with a nail in the center, nothing will happen.
You try doing that and get back to us.
[snip]
Liberal Arts education is wonderful! Only dialectic and critique
possess value. Rimfire, centerfire, who gives an egghead's empirical
*****?
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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| User: "Double-A" |
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29 Apr 2004 11:02:28 PM |
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spring85195@yahoo.com-dot-hk.no-spam.invalid (spring85195) wrote in message news:<409135eb$1_2@127.0.0.1>...
Hi there,
I have a sudden throught in my head this morning, if I throw a unfired
live bullet (Just one bullet only, without gun) into the rubbish bin
and let it goes with other trash. Personally, I think the bullet is
very unstable, as it is made of gun power, which will be easily go
BOMB under high temp.
However, I search on the internet and found that, all the bullet
selling for normal shooting use it safety made, which means it only
can be fired when the pin hit at the edge of the bullet. When you hit
it hard with a nail in the center, nothing will happen.
I knew a kid who tried to remove the cap from an emptied artillery
shell casing using a screwdriver and a hammer.
The resultant explosion bloodied up his hand real good!
Double-A
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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| Title: Re: The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
29 Apr 2004 11:51:12 PM |
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"Double-A" <double-a@hush.com> wrote in message
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spring85195@yahoo.com-dot-hk.no-spam.invalid (spring85195) wrote in
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Hi there,
I have a sudden throught in my head this morning, if I throw a unfired
live bullet (Just one bullet only, without gun) into the rubbish bin
and let it goes with other trash. Personally, I think the bullet is
very unstable, as it is made of gun power, which will be easily go
BOMB under high temp.
However, I search on the internet and found that, all the bullet
selling for normal shooting use it safety made, which means it only
can be fired when the pin hit at the edge of the bullet. When you hit
it hard with a nail in the center, nothing will happen.
I knew a kid who tried to remove the cap from an emptied artillery
shell casing using a screwdriver and a hammer.
The resultant explosion bloodied up his hand real good!
Darwinism in action.
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| User: "Ian Stirling" |
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| Title: Re: The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
02 May 2004 04:16:42 PM |
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Michael Varney <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote:
"Double-A" <double-a@hush.com> wrote in message
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spring85195@yahoo.com-dot-hk.no-spam.invalid (spring85195) wrote in
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Hi there,
I have a sudden throught in my head this morning, if I throw a unfired
live bullet (Just one bullet only, without gun) into the rubbish bin
and let it goes with other trash. Personally, I think the bullet is
very unstable, as it is made of gun power, which will be easily go
BOMB under high temp.
However, I search on the internet and found that, all the bullet
selling for normal shooting use it safety made, which means it only
can be fired when the pin hit at the edge of the bullet. When you hit
it hard with a nail in the center, nothing will happen.
I knew a kid who tried to remove the cap from an emptied artillery
shell casing using a screwdriver and a hammer.
The resultant explosion bloodied up his hand real good!
Darwinism in action.
No, it'd be darwinism if he was holding it between his legs at the time.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: The prossibility of a unfire bullet cause damage |
02 May 2004 11:26:28 PM |
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Michael Varney <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote:
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spring85195@yahoo.com-dot-hk.no-spam.invalid (spring85195) wrote in
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Hi there,
I have a sudden throught in my head this morning, if I throw a unfired
live bullet (Just one bullet only, without gun) into the rubbish bin
and let it goes with other trash. Personally, I think the bullet is
very unstable, as it is made of gun power, which will be easily go
BOMB under high temp.
However, I search on the internet and found that, all the bullet
selling for normal shooting use it safety made, which means it only
can be fired when the pin hit at the edge of the bullet. When you hit
it hard with a nail in the center, nothing will happen.
I knew a kid who tried to remove the cap from an emptied artillery
shell casing using a screwdriver and a hammer.
The resultant explosion bloodied up his hand real good!
Darwinism in action.
No, it'd be darwinism if he was holding it between his legs at the time.
...dumb people have been known to do as such with dry ice bombs with
either glass or plastic containers.
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